recomendations for first 1:1? under $5000?

[STANG KILLA SS]

Originally Posted by mississippirocs

IMO a 73-87 chevy/gmc 3/4 or 1 ton would really be a good choice. you can get them fairley cheap and parts are plentiful as well as interchangeable between years and makes. You would already have a heavyduty driveline and with Bushwacker cut out flares you can run 40s with no extra lift.

your suggestion intreiges me the most, any more info?
how do you know what trucks have 3/4 or 1 ton axles? on auto trader they have the choice of CK 1500, 2500 and 3500.

i like this one
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...=1&cardist=127

[twisted77]

Hey stang killa! What are you looking to do with this truck, a full size is great and all but in the wood they suck, a one ton axle front hast 14 bolt holding on the diff cover, they will not be in a blazer unless someone did it after market, not even the military k5 had them, you can get a old military k30 truck sometime cheap on auction from governmentliquidation.com but you will have to go get it and it will be deisle. It will be a 1ton truck though, a dana 60 front end is worth about anywere between 1000.00 and 1800.00 for a chevy and coporate chevy 14 bolt rear end 1 ton is worh about 300.00 to 600.00 I have links to disk brakes for rear ends, hydrobost brake conversions, all sorts of stuff,

I also am into 66-77 Box Broncos I have a 77 with a full cage and all the godds for rock crawling, they would be my choice for a big project for a crawler toy but I am patrial I have had 13

I also have a XJ and it runs 33 MT baja MTZ and it is awsome daily driver weekend weeler , these things have awsome flex and are very stable, there is a ton of mods you can do for them, Check out naxja.com you can find them on there used and sometime set up fairly nice to get ou started at a good price,

If it were me and I were to pick between the jeeps it would be the XJ cherokee,

[twisted77]

I have a 84 chevy K30 1ton with all new interior and a 350 in it now and a 454 to go along with it that is pushing around 475 horse, 4 speed tranny 2 year old paint, marron and dark grey (charcoal) warn winch and winch bumper, westin drop bumper in the rear, 38 in parnelli Jones tires less thatn 4000 miles tool box, tinted rear slider, 4 inch lift 3 inch body, drive like a brand new truck, only has 120.000 on the truck 30,000 on the 350 and 0 on the 454.

6000.00 OBO

I have picks

[roktoy]

Did you mention the type of terrain you wheel in? Open trails or tight stuff?

I would probably choose a Toy, Samurai, or an XJ....each can be had in your price range.

A straight axle Toy is probably the most robust rig as they are well overbuilt. I'm assuming you'll be doing your own repairs and such otherwise your budget will get eaten up rapidly. Any of the vehicles mentioned by all have good parts availability.

Do you feel more comforatable working on a Toy motor or a SBC?......could play a part in the decision.

If you want a rig for light wheeling, most will do decent and you may want something you, your family or friends are familiar with or have parts for.....something to consider.

Jay

[cammok5]

get a fsj. great trucks. already have power and good axles. you can get them cheap. cheap to lift.
some good info in this build
part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0
part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...9&q=fsj+trucks

[mississippirocs]

Originally Posted by STANG KILLA SS

your suggestion intreiges me the most, any more info?
how do you know what trucks have 3/4 or 1 ton axles? on auto trader they have the choice of CK 1500, 2500 and 3500.

i like this one
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...=1&cardist=127

That is a nice truck, but you need a 2500/3500 to get the heavy duty components. most of those are gonna have a dana44 front with a 14 bolt rear, turbo400 trans, etc. by spending a little more up front you'll have less carnage to deal with later!

[STANG KILLA SS]

twisted77: thanks for the 14 bolt tip, that will help. but how do i know what trucks on autotrader have the 1 ton axles?
also how do i know what trucks have 3/4 ton axles?
is it possible to get 1 ton axles, and a standard cab? not extended or 4 door?
and thanks for the offer, but i prefer to build, not buy

roktoy
it will be a mix on weekends it will be mostly trail, but id like to be able to go to those rock trail runs like you see in crawl mag(obviosly on the easy trails) every so often/months.
im DEFINATLY more comfortable with teh SBC, its all ive ever owned.


mississippirocs
what do i need to look for? i want a regular cab, with the beefy axles. what do i need to search autotrader for?


wanted to say a BIG thanks for everyones help, i may seem like an idiot cause i am ive been a pavement pounder and dragracer all my life. i just dont know ANYTHING about trucks :( but im definaly no stranger to modifiing and upgrading to beefy parts etc. thanks everyone, keep the suggestions coming!

heres what id like.
regular cab or K5
1 ton or 3/4 ton axles
auto
what models have this?

[obijuan]

the 3/4 ton are k20 and k30 or 2500 and 3500. you can easily tell if they are 3/4 or 1 ton with the 8 lug nuts on the wheel.

yes you can get a single cab 1ton or 3/4 but it is a longbed.

you should get a stick, the sm465 is near indestructable and its commonly reffered to as the "granny 4 speed."

if you buy a k5 you will have to do an axle swap if your serious about wheelin. the come with 3.08 gears which is awful for anything over 33 inch tires. trucks often come with 4.11. good for 35's.


just paint this one:

http://austin.craigslist.org/car/345829818.html

[chip cross]

Originally Posted by Unimoger

older toyota, sas, lift, lockers and 37's , done, next thread please..............

yep got to love them yotas but a 73-88 chevy 1 ton will work to i can hook you up with a 87 1 ton dana 60 front and 14 bolt rear efi 454 th400 tranny np 205 transfercase 4:10 with 35's for around 4500.00 and 500.00 to ship lol

[twisted77]

Kinda hard to tell from picks about the ton diffs, unles you can see them up close, a front ton has kingpin style knuckels instead of balljoints, if you see a truck that says ton and you see two little "ears" one on either side the the differntal housing in the front it is a corporat 10 bolt basically half ton with 3/4 outers and they are JUNK!!!!!!!!!! never get a 10 bolt!!!!!!!!!! a dana 44 is better but is still not a ton dana 60 BUt keep in mind a dana 44 also has a 10 bolt cover on the front but there is definate difference in apperance, do a search on the three on the web in the pics and download several good shots of different angels. If you are gonna crawl and trail ride though I would recommend that yo get a Early Bronco or a Xj up grade either one to full width axles dana 44 front and 9 inch rear 488 gear to 538 gear I my self run a 538 gear, run a set of 35 or 36 BFG or Mikey Tompson MTZ Did you check out NAXJA.com

You have a PM

[obijuan]

dana 44 = 10 bolt i wheel the crap outta my 10b front. and rear for that matter. just dont be full throttle on the rocks and youll be fine. however if you go bigger than 35's at least get chromos shafts or something.
http://coloradok5.com/axleguide.shtml

[twisted77]

Originally Posted by obijuan

dana 44 = 10 bolt i wheel the crap outta my 10b front. and rear for that matter. just dont be full throttle on the rocks and youll be fine. however if you go bigger than 35's at least get chromos shafts or something.
http://coloradok5.com/axleguide.shtml

Dana 44 has a much stonger carrier and has larger spindles than a 10 bolt. I have actually seen many 10 bolt spindles break, they are a weak point. Plus you need to take some time and shave those rediculus ears off LOL A 10 bolt rear will come out if you breadk it because all that holds it in is a cheasy little clip in the thin walled carrier. A 9 in has backiing plates on the outside if you break a 9 in (IF) you can still get off the trail or at least the axle wont come out and cause ofther damage.

[obijuan]

10 bolt and dana 44 are near the same. The spindles, hubs, Knuckles, and outer axle stubs are interchangable . the 10b and d44 have near the same size carrier and the other differences are negligible. like the axle shaft has more splines,but they will both break under the same situation and the axle tubes are slightly thicker. as for the c-clips, poor idea i know, but the center pin in the carrier holds the shafts tightly in place. you have to lose the set screw then somehow the giant center pin fall out and the shaft move inward then the c-clip fall out. or they clip can break somehow but its tucked nicely away into the axle tube out of debris way. as for the 9in the only thing holding your axles in is your brakes am i right?


we're also telling him to get a 3/4 ton to avoid the govlock carrier in the rear.

[STANG KILLA SS]

i know all the probs with the 10 bolts. fbodys come with them. with all the power im making i shattered it in no time, now running a moser 12 bolt with ALL the goodies. $2300 later


something i just realized this morning. id like e fuel injection.(stock) is it possible to get a newer truck like the Z71 body style? (like 1988+)with 1 ton axles and and a regular cab? what years started the fuel injection? and can i get 1 ton axles, regular cab 4x4 auto in those years? or are the fuel injected models IFS? dont want that.

[obijuan]

well you can get an 87 single cab 4x4 with efi for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

or get a 88 plus singel cab and straight axle swap it

[BOWTIE]

or an 87-91 K5 will have fuel injection.

[BOWTIE]

this one looks nice!
http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/car/347565968.html

[obijuan]

not bad, good price too.

[BOWTIE]

Originally Posted by obijuan

not bad, good price too.

yeah i thought about going and taking a look at it for myself.

[STANG KILLA SS]

so are you guys saying 88+ are IFS?

and the k5 doesnt have 3/4 or 1 ton axles does it ric? i thought someone said that in this thread.