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Old 06-11-2020, 12:55 PM   #1
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This one is sort of a birthday build and last hurrah for me as the darn pandemic is going to shrink my rc budget drastically for the near future, but I’ve been kicking around the idea on how to pull one of these off and had to go for it.

I don’t have any parts on hand but I do have things ordered now so the build is starting to take shape.

HH/TGH Sherpa Expert Chassis Kit (includes forward mount and t case)
Axial AR45P rear portal axle
SSD Diamond Front Axle and brass knucks brass chubs
90mm incision front shocks
80mm incision rear shocks
Incision drive shafts
Hardcore RC 12.5” wb links
Mamba micro x
HH snub nose v2 revolver 2040kv
HH v3 servo

That’s the basics of it. May end up changing the shocks at some point but want to see how it does with the different sizes and the rear portal. I’m going to run the reverse cut dead loc racing gears in the Ssd diamond front axle to fix the counter rotation of the portals but allow me to maintain a high pinion on both axles.

The axial portals have a reduction of 1.91 iirc so there’s a lot of room to make up for. I’m going to approach this 3 ways, first with the TGH wild OD portal gears (35%), AR44 diff 27/8 OD (10%) and then I’m hoping to find a way to get the OD on the t case to output to the rear by moving some shafts around (maybe mirrored skid?) for another 15%. I’m hoping this leaves me with somewhere around 30% OD up front.

Open to any thoughts and feedback. My plan B is to run a GC4.2 t case as I’ve already eyeballed that one and think I could get the OD to the back very easily there.

Thanks for reading along. Pic below from the TGH site
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Old 06-11-2020, 01:07 PM   #2
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Sounds to be another great build! Can't wait to see it come together.
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Old 06-11-2020, 02:13 PM   #3
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I've been looking at this chassis kit. Just can't seem to pull the trigger on any of the comp chassis yet. I'll be watching your build though!
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Old 06-11-2020, 02:20 PM   #4
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Another cool looking build I will be following!

Nice list of parts!

Happy Birthday TB in case I missed it!


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Old 06-11-2020, 02:33 PM   #5
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WOW..this build triggered my interest....will follow for sure !!
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As mentioned, it really is a cool parts list. The single portal and well thought out gearing plan are intriguing. I couldn't comment beyond to say 30% sounds assertive and sets it up nicely for climbing and carving out those tighter lines. I had no idea Holmes was even .producing a chassis. He named it aptly I would say. Having spent several months of my youth hanging around the Nepalese Himalayas, its makes me smile thinking back on the things I have seen some of those men porter along the most remote single-track trails...mind blowing really.

Anyhow, very cool. If its the last one for bit, its a build certainly deserving of your pause. Thanks for putting it up!
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Thanks everyone. The sentiments and interest are appreciated.

BMow my birthday is a few weeks away so you didn’t miss anything but thanks anyway!

Just got some great news from the team garage hack crew. Christopher Schumann went live and posted a video to the RC garage hacks group that showed how to flip the OD to the rear. It’s as easy as flipping plates and swapping outputs so I’m getting even more excited for this now.

Hopefully parts start showing up next week so I can share some progress.
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Old 06-12-2020, 06:44 PM   #8
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Another awesome build...put me on toast, I'm jelly.

I like that the Sherpa rails have a lot of skid plate angle. Breakovers will be killer on this thing.
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Old 06-13-2020, 07:35 PM   #9
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Following these shenanigans... love your builds bro. I’m stoked to see how this shakes out.

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Happy early bday topher!!!!

Looks like the start of another one of your great builds.
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Thanks fellas! Parts should start showing up today. If all goes well I’ll have a slider by the weekend.
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So far, what are your thoughts between the I think 3 different comp chassis you've built? I'd like to build at least one.
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After going through the parts that have started showing up I remembered that I had just ordered links last week, from hardcore RC so it will be a few weeks before this gets to a slider.

JRH says v3 servos are in route an should be available in 1-2 weeks so hopefully I can snag a couple of those and then figure out a body and Iíll be ready to rock by the time the links show up.

Anyway, I got to building and started with the rear axle. As mentioned earlier the rear axle has a 1.91 gear ratio that Iíll need to speed up to get a driveable ratio with the straight front axle. This means fitting as much overdrive as I can in the rear axle and using the t-case to close the gap. The rear axle is being built with OD diff gears and the TGH wild OD portal gears.

When I got to installing the OD portal gears I ran into fitment issues that I wasnít expecting. Iím not sure if this is because itís a rear axle, or possibly AR45P specific, but the rear portal box is slightly smaller than the front and causes clearance issues with the OD gears. (See pic)

I took a knife out and made some room to get them to spin. It thins out the material near the threads for the portal cover screws. The axle doesnít spin as smoothly as Iíd like with the portal gears in but it is functional and shouldnít cause any issues, can still spin by hand. I forgot to snap an after pic but I will later if I tear into them again to try and free things up.

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So far, what are your thoughts between the I think 3 different comp chassis you've built? I'd like to build at least one.
I havenít really done anything with the Sherpa but stare at it longingly so not much to comment on there, but it sure looks like fun. My main question here is if Iíll want more shock mounting location options than whatís on these rails.

The tgh/ gspeed v3 and the game changer 4.2 have both been a blast to drive. I couldnít easily say which performs better. As far as working on them, the gspeed is a little simpler as the GC4.2 uses the nylock nuts most places, but itís nice that the gc4.2 kits come with everything you need, including upper driveshaft, servo mount, braces, and even links with the stage 3 kit.
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Links have shipped from hardcore RC! Time to get back to this build.

If work settles down a tad I should have a slider next week.
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Woot woot!!

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Gonna be watching this one. Sound like a lot of fun!..
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Getting back to it. Next step after building the rear axle was to reverse the overdrive in the T-Case.

This was really simple, just pop the covers off the tcase. Pop the bearings. Flip both covers around. Put the big gear and output on the passenger side going out to the front, center input stays the same, and then the little gear and output on the driver side going out to the rear. The front of the tcase is the direction that the angle points to, which offsets the angle of skid to maintain good driveline angles.

Going to try and knock out the chassis next.
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Forgot about the front motor mount, letís taco bout that for a little bit as Iíve added some shims to these to help get rid of some play in the spur shaft.

First pic. Just the normal motor mount. Here Iíll remove the cover that has TGH printed on it, 3 screws on back.

Second pic. I add a shim here on top of the top bearing, I didnít take another pic with the shim on but it doesnít need a lot. Make sure the shaft still spins free after buttoning it back up so you know you didnít over shim.

3rd pic. Iíll also add a shim on the outside of that cover, this helps give some space between the slipper plate and the motor mount cover once the full slipper is assembled.

4th pic on the output of the spur Iíll add a plastic spacer and some shims to tighten up the driveshaft. At this point there is very little movement in the spur shaft and it spins nice, smooth, and straight.
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And links.... from hardcore rc

Top to bottom should be...

Steering drag link
Pan hard
Front upper
Front lower x 2
Rear upper x 2
Rear lower x 2
Steering tie rod
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Thanks for compiling that . Seems like the only place to find instructions and detailed veiws is in facebook videos, which i can see in the background
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