05-29-2021, 07:52 AM | #201 | |
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Spur Gear: AXI232055 Kit Instructions: No description Kit Parts List (from instructions): Spur Gear, 53T 32P RBX10 Axial: Spur Gear, 53T MOD 1: RBX10 Horizon: Spur Gear, 53T MOD 1: RBX10 Amain: Axial RBX10 Ryft 32P Spur Gear (53T) Pinion Gear: AXIC0843 Kit Instructions: (part is listed as AX30843) Kit Parts List: AX30843 Pinion Gear 32P 17T Axial: part # not found Horizon: Pinion Gear 32P 17T Steel 5mm Motor Shaft Amain: Axial 32P Pinion Gear w/5mm Bore (17T) (photo of part bag shows part number AX30843) Pinion Gear: AX30843 Kit Instructions: No description Kit Parts List: Not listed. part is identified as AXIC0843 but uses AX30843 in description Axial: part # not found Horizon: (forwards to part # AXIC0843) When i ordered the other pinions to try, i was using the information in the instructions to order the "correct" pitch. No mention of Mod 1 in the instructions, only on some of the websites. Frustrating... | |
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05-29-2021, 09:06 AM | #202 | |
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With the Ryft, the releases were done in the opposite order...RTR first, then kit...so, to get the spur/pinion info, I didn't look up the kit info - I looked up the RTR info. For anything kit-related, of you look up the info by using the online RTR info from the Axial or HH sites, you should (hopefully) find the correct info you need. ~ More peace, love, and kindness would make the world a much better place | |
05-29-2021, 09:07 AM | #203 | |
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05-29-2021, 09:47 AM | #204 | |
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05-29-2021, 10:20 AM | #205 | |
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| Re: RBX10, RYFT, Scale Rock Bouncer Quote: I was having my transmission slip in 2nd gear as well. I had already taken out the pin which helped the smoothness. The shim between to e-clip and the gear made all the difference, no more skipping in 2nd. It does appear that the shift fork is hitting the transmission housing before it gets good engagement, I might try to clear it out a bit to see if I can get a bit more travel out of it. | |
05-29-2021, 10:23 AM | #206 | |
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Gears are mod 1 gears NOT 32p. I have bought 2 mod 1 gears to slow it down a bit and they mesh great. | |
05-29-2021, 10:34 AM | #207 | |
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Also interesting that Horizon lists a Losi pinion gear (LOSA3577) and not an Axial pinion when looking at replacement parts for the RTR. | |
05-29-2021, 10:49 AM | #208 |
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05-29-2021, 11:46 AM | #209 |
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05-29-2021, 12:16 PM | #210 |
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05-29-2021, 12:28 PM | #211 |
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Been smashing through the majority of the kit. The metal u joints are poorly made. The cross pin on atleast 2 sets is tapped crooked allowing me to not insert the pin. :/ Lots of metal gears still had burrs and rough spots. I’m calling horizon on Monday. There is a lot of QC issues going on in my kit I can only imagine what others might be finding. I’ve shimmed the input pinion shafts with 6x8x.1mm tekno shims. Taking the end play out of the pinion gear/ujoint. Also I’ve shoehorned in the castle 1415 motor. It’s a 3670 sized can. 70mm is the MAX Motor size. I had to grind clearance in the skid plate, not so bad right, the major stop is the lower link rod end. I had to dremel the radius to clear the endbell. Spacing the whole transmission up 5mm would alleviate all these problems. So DIAYOR \m/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
05-29-2021, 01:28 PM | #212 |
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05-29-2021, 01:33 PM | #213 | |
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05-29-2021, 04:10 PM | #214 |
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| Re: RBX10, RYFT, Scale Rock Bouncer Having read of many getting gears with the wrong pitch (for multiple vehicles), just trying to help people not waste time, or money. I made a similar mistake a whole back, in building up my Baja Rey, and, while no money was wasted (returned for 'store credit'), it did end up being 2.5 weeks of wasted time. Just as I don't like wasting food, I also don't like wasting time and/or money...be it mine, or someone else's. ~ More peace, love, and kindness would make the world a much better place Last edited by Panther6834; 05-31-2021 at 09:39 PM. |
05-31-2021, 09:49 PM | #215 |
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Finally started building part of the kit...the shocks...but, not intending to actually use them. From what I'm able to tell, the front shocks are 130mm fully extended, and 85mm compressed. The rear shocks came up 146mm extended, and 95mm compressed. Honestly, I don't even know if these measurements are correct (and, I'll admit, I didn't bother checking the manual to see if the measurements are listed). Strange thing is, 3 of the shocks compress/extend VERY smoothly, while the fourth shock is anything but smooth. Had anyone else (who's built the kit) had their shocks like this? More importantly...and, the real reason for this post...has anyone come up with alternatives to the Ryft shocks? Due to the longer-than-usual lengths (especially the rear), I have no ideas. Before I knew the actual lengths, I was was thinking the Traxxas GTS...but, not even the rear GTS shocks are looking enough to use on the front of the Ryft. So, what's the best alternate shocks anyone has come up with? ~ More peace, love, and kindness would make the world a much better place |
05-31-2021, 10:31 PM | #216 | |
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All four of my shocks came out very smooth so far. | |
06-01-2021, 06:36 AM | #217 |
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Cant remember exactly but the Yeti XL shocks were fairly long and then maybe the Yeti 380 rears for the fronts. They were available as aftermarket big bores at one time. What about the XMaxx? Last edited by Brake Weight; 06-01-2021 at 06:41 AM. |
06-01-2021, 09:30 AM | #218 | |
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As for the Yeti XL, I thought about that. Unfortunately, the rear shocks (they're 120mm) aren't even long enough for the front of the Ryft. Pro-Line has the PowerStroke XT, which is the same length (as they were designed for the Yeti XL). RC4WD does have 150mm King shocks, which would easily work for the Ryft's rear...but, they don't have any in the 130-135mm range (for the Ryft's front). Sure, one could use the PowerStroke XT in the front, and the RC4ED King shocks in the rear, but, visually, they'd be an incredibly sad mismatched pair...and, that just won't do. That would be like installing three Mickey Thompsons, and one Gumbo Monster Mudder, on your Jeep Wrangler. EDIT/UPDATE: I think I have come up with the most probable solution to the shock length problem. As I mentioned, above, the only aftermarket shocks I've been able to find that are long enough for the rear are the 150mm King shocks from RC4WD. These have a single spring. They also have a dual-spring 120mm version. Both of these come with fairly beefy 4mm shafts. Additionally, based on testing from someone else (I think it's might have been RC Review), via their YouTube channel, if I remember correctly, the RC4WD King shocks were, surprisingly, among the best tested. They or also known (again, if I'm remembering correctly) to have among the least leakage. Here's my idea. Get the 150mm shocks for the rear, and the 120mm dual rate shocks for the front. Additionally, get the dual rate spring sets, which includes softer, as well as firmer, springs for the 120mm shocks. While the 150mm shocks are too long, adding internal limiters would fix 95% of that problem. The remaining 5% would be fixed by replacing the aluminum rod ends with plastic rod ends (more on that in a few seconds). As for the front, 120mm shocks are, obviously, too short. Replacing the short aluminum rod ends with longer plastic rod ends would 'correct' the majority of that problem. The "problem" is finding M4 rod ends in lengths that are short enough to not lengthen the 150mm shocks, as well as longer lengths that will lengthen the 120mm shocks by at least 5mm. At same time, these alternate rod ends need to be able to accept either the stock Delrin rod end balls, or stainless steel rod and balls (such as Traxxas) that still fit between the 'mounting posts' on the front axle, and rear trailing arms. Anyone have any suggestions for these rod ends & rod and balls? ~ More peace, love, and kindness would make the world a much better place Last edited by Panther6834; 06-01-2021 at 10:49 AM. | |
06-01-2021, 12:11 PM | #219 |
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The rear threaded shocks on the Traxxas UDR are 139 mm. Not sure if that is long enough or if the springs are soft enough. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
06-01-2021, 02:43 PM | #220 |
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With the stock rear shocks being 146mm, unfortunately, those UDR GTRs probably wouldn't work...but, as I was just about to provide another shock-related update, I'll post it in this reply comment. I just got off the phone with Traxxas. Initially, I had called them about rod end options that might work with the RC4WD King shocks...essentially, a shorter length rod end to go on the 150mm shocks, and longer (preferably with a length of 10-15mm longer than the rod ends that would have gone on the 150mm shocks) rod ends to go on the 120mm shocks. During the conversation, the person I was speaking with had an idea. Yes, there are 139mm (threaded & non-threaded) GTRs for the UDR, which, as mentioned above, probably wouldn't work. That's not saying it won't work...only that it probably wouldn't, as adding internal limiters (to keep some oil under the piston when fully extended) would shorten it even further (137-138mm, which is 8-9mm shorter than the stock rear shocks). However...here's where the possibilities starts to improve...Traxxas does have 134mm (threaded & non-threaded) versions, as well as a non-threaded 160mm version. Starting with the Ryft's front, the 134mm threaded version would probably be a better choice. Adding 4mm of internal limiters, and they're the same length as the stock front shocks. My only 'worry' is the diameter - I don't know if the diameter is large enough that the cage might interfere, note have I just determined whether, or not, that area of the cage can be modified (ie. remove material, without degregating its structural strength). Moving to the rear, while there's a slight...probably VERY slight...possibility that the 139mm version could work, the 160mm version (with internal limiters) would be so but guaranteed to work. Now, I'm not suggesting adding 14mm worth of internal limiters...4-6mm worth should be enough. To further limit the extended length, to limiting straps could be added between the rear axle & cage (would just need to figure out 'where' to attach them on the cage. Being non-threaded, some other way would have to be figured out for adding preload. While I would mind (too much) having to go with the RC4WD King shocks, I REALLY like the idea of being able to use Traxxas GTRs, as they're among the best shocks available. It seems obvious that the GTRs would easily work/fit the rear...but, in regards to the front, does anyone having the Ryft also have 134mm/139mm GTR shocks that can test, to see how well they for the front of the Ryft? ~ More peace, love, and kindness would make the world a much better place |
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