Kyosho's 2.2 Crawler Pic

[binaryterror]

I didn't see this posted...

http://www.rccaraction.com//Media/MediaManager/Kyosho%20Rock.jpg

This is Kyosho’s new crawler (prototype shown here), named the Rock Force 2.2. We don’t have a lot of info at this time, but we can tell you that it features an aluminum chassis with multiple shock mounting positions, includes a crawler motor and speed control and the axles use a worm drive which improves ground clearance. The engineers at Kyosho have also designed the truck to accept an optional front dig system.

We are keeping our fingers crossed, hoping it will make it to the states.

http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=248335

[Tupers]

Awsome. I like the sound of the worm drive axles and optional front dig. They could be onto a winner there. A big company like Kyosho could do a lot for this sport.

[Skeeno]

Interesting body. I kind of like it.

[TLTkrawl]

Worm drive, Huh sounds interesting.

[montereycrawler]

Very cool. Thanks for posting the pic and info. I can't wait to see the axles.

[O.C.D.]

Hmmmm, it is all starting.............

[BUBBA069]

Didn't someone here try worm gears and had a lot of trouble with slop/backlash?

[Hurley0706]

Wow, a low slung rig that looks like it is up to date with current trends. And from a major manufacturer to boot.

[whoodie]

I don't really like worm gears. I think that it is helpful to get the pinion up higher however a worm gear cannot be driven backwards, i.e. no more 2wd and freewheel.

[SACCO]

I don't really like worm gears. I think that it is helpful to get the pinion up higher however a worm gear cannot be driven backwards, i.e. no more 2wd and freewheel.

I believe you could still do 2wd, but no freewheel?

[dkingston]

Glad this found its way to RCC.

A little birdy told me that this isn't the only thing that the Red Army might be working on... Rumor has it that they may be working on something else that would be super dope!

Additionally, Kyosho America has formed a new company earlier this year. Joel Johnson, Gil Losi and Mark Pavidis have formed AKA (A.K.A.) to provide accessories to the RC industry. First up, buggy tires. Next... ??? 8)

www.raceaka.com


- David

[genki]

Here are a few more pics.....it is due out here in Japan real soon!

http://www.genkidoridori.com/images/crawler/kyosho_01.png

http://www.genkidoridori.com/images/crawler/kyosho_02.png

http://www.genkidoridori.com/images/crawler/kyosho_03.png

[josh hayes]

that thing looks nuts it has a crazy 5 link setup i wonder how it works

[Scattman]

What is that 3003 doing on the axle I wonder? It's not for steering.

[John]

What is that 3003 doing on the axle I wonder? It's not for steering.

DIG

[Tupers]

What is that 3003 doing on the axle I wonder? It's not for steering.

Dig??

[John]

Dig??

Unlocks the rear driveshaft, at the rear axle. Worm gear drives will not freewheel, so the rear axle locks up, allowing you to spin and steer the front wheels.

[toyofast]

Looks like it'd make a wicked rock racer. Being a Kyosho rig, you know it'll handle the abuse.

[JavelinSST390]

Sweeeeeet.... I like those axles. Kyosho would be stupid not to release this in the states.

It appears the dig setup is INSIDE the rear axle... also appears that the front axle could accept the same set-up.

Also notice the panhard-bar suspension.

I dig it. "thumbsup"

How long until someone comes out with direct-replacement tube chassis?

[BitHed]

...i have a picture of the super in here somewhere...

...Genki i forgot to grab that issue :( I knew there was something i had to do lol...

[binaryterror]

I don't really like worm gears. I think that it is helpful to get the pinion up higher however a worm gear cannot be driven backwards, i.e. no more 2wd and freewheel.

Unlocks the rear driveshaft, at the rear axle. Worm gear drives will not freewheel, so the rear axle locks up, allowing you to spin and steer the front wheels.

Read on whoodie...its amazing what engineering can do to overcome the "problems" with worm gears.

Kyosho as weird as they are have some wickedly smart engineers.

[BitHed]

...Got it...

http://e-savage.com/gallery/data/500/KYOSHO_CRAWL.jpg

http://e-savage.com/gallery/data/500/KYOSHO_CRAWL_2.jpg

The translation is...

"We have developed (are developing) a chassis for the new genre of RC; Rock Crawling! With 4 channel radio (BitHed says; Maybe to be released in the RTR?) you have access to '2 Speed 3 Mode Transfer; High, Low and Rear Drive Cut (ie DIG). Also developing mechanical disk brakes (ie Dig?) This will be a highly functional rock crawler with all sorts of different new ideas and developments. Price to be Determined."

[BitHed]

Kyosho as weird as they are have some wickedly smart engineers.

Jiro Higashino, creator of the Mini Inferno amongst other things, is a bit of a buddy "thumbsup"

[John]

Jiro Higashino, creator of the Mini Inferno amongst other things, is a bit of a buddy "thumbsup"

x2, very creative and an all around super nice guy. There are many Kyosho products out there with his name tied to them.

I first meant Jiro in 2005 and have worked on and off with him on different projects for the last 3 years. You should have seen the smile on his face when he first got his hands on an RCP Crawler here in the states. You could just see the wheels turning with ideas, in his head.

[BitHed]

...Ahh...i realise who you are now John :D Been watching your growth with awe and admiration over the years...A pleasure to make your 'acquaintance' finally "thumbsup"

...You mentioning Jiro and RCP in the same sentence makes sense...The Japanese RC print media has been doing a lot of profiles on RCP products recently...They tend do spend a couple of months / issues on introducing the Japanese RC public to a particular 'overseas' product that matches what is about to be released to the JDM...Its all coming together now ;)

[Rok_Dok]

the only problem with Kyosho here is they insist on direct sales......Dealers dont want to handle the product because you can order it for the same price as I can (Hobby shop). SO if I add my profit to the box cost, as a customer you would be stupid to buy from a hobby shop.

And Kyosho hasnt been known for being able to support kits for any reasonable timeline (historically) so this info is released when can we expect the 7.0, 7.5, 777 and special edition colors to release (thanks inferno series). Ill pass on this product

[binaryterror]

Dealers dont want to handle the product because you can order it for the same price as I can (Hobby shop). SO if I add my profit to the box cost, as a customer you would be stupid to buy from a hobby shop.

Any smart and Kyosho stocking Hobby Shop is set up direct. I know 2 of mine are "DEALERS" so they can buy direct, and still pass on a good price to me.

[dkingston]

the only problem with Kyosho here is they insist on direct sales......Dealers dont want to handle the product because you can order it for the same price as I can (Hobby shop). SO if I add my profit to the box cost, as a customer you would be stupid to buy from a hobby shop.

And Kyosho hasnt been known for being able to support kits for any reasonable timeline (historically) so this info is released when can we expect the 7.0, 7.5, 777 and special edition colors to release (thanks inferno series). Ill pass on this product

The most ill-informed post to date.

[diesel72]

I don't really like worm gears. I think that it is helpful to get the pinion up higher however a worm gear cannot be driven backwards, i.e. no more 2wd and freewheel.


Tell us why a worm gear can't be driven backwards...

[diesel72]

Worm gear drives will not freewheel, so the rear axle locks up, allowing you to spin and steer the front wheels.
This is just not true, I'm just trying to remember which worm drive app I have used that would freewheel/go backwards. It was a long time ago.

[diesel72]

...its amazing what engineering can do to overcome the "problems" with worm gears.

Kyosho as weird as they are have some wickedly smart engineers.

A voice of reason

[John]

This is just not true, I'm just trying to remember which worm drive app I have used that would freewheel/go backwards. It was a long time ago.

Worm gear driven axles can go backwards, as long as the worm drives the gears. Spinning the worm forward and backwards will in turn spin the gears the same. Allowing you to drive your truck in both directions. That is not what freewheel means. Freewheel means that when no power is applied, a typical worm gear set up will not coast. The gears in the case don't roll over each other, they slide by pushing and pulling from the worm drive.

When someone says you can't reverse a worm gear set up, they mean the gear can't drive the worm. Unlike ordinary gears, the motion is not reversible, a worm can drive a gear to reduce speed but a gear cannot drive a worm to increase it. In other words, you would experience a lot of resistance if you grabbed the wheels and tried to turn the tranny. The amount of resistance depends on the enginnering and manufacturing of the gears. You can design the gears to create virtually a locked situation if needed.

For RC rock crawling, one advantage to using worm gear set ups is the large gear reduction in a compact space. You gain more clearance under the axles, as you can see from the pictures previously posted of the Kyosho Rock Force 2.2.

[John]

I didn't see this posted...

http://www.rccaraction.com//Media/MediaManager/Kyosho%20Rock.jpg

This is Kyosho’s new crawler (prototype shown here), named the Rock Force 2.2. We don’t have a lot of info at this time, but we can tell you that it features an aluminum chassis with multiple shock mounting positions, includes a crawler motor and speed control and the axles use a worm drive which improves ground clearance. The engineers at Kyosho have also designed the truck to accept an optional front dig system.

We are keeping our fingers crossed, hoping it will make it to the states.

http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=248335

FYI, the Kyosho Rock Force 2.2 will be shown at the Shizuoka Hobby Show, later today.

[Rok_Dok]

The most ill-informed post to date.



You sure as Sh@# dont know what the F@#k your talking about.... we dealt with kyosho for years and were the only shop in the area for years that had stuff for them.... With their "truck of the month" thing they were doing 2 yrs ago and not being able to stock a single truck to the outlandish cost of Kfactory or fieago (whatever parts they were) product no one would buy them....

I go back to the 4wd Burns kit from them, I have owned multiple 1/8 scale and flippin short lived products they offered.

Know WTF your spouting, Kyosho will not cut a decent dealer price for a shop to justify a shop stocking a truck that will be upstaged with a diff option and color to call it a new model.

[Rudukai13]

So when are they going to release the super crawler that they showed a little while ago?

[701 Technique]

Jiro Higashino, creator of the Mini Inferno amongst other things, is a bit of a buddy "thumbsup"

I need your connections!
I live in North Dakota so its hard for me to meet any of the higher ups in the industry, which i hope to someday be a part of

looks like a killer truck, and coming from kyosho Im sure it will be, Id love to get my hands on a nitro blizzard

[STEEL_CITY_CRAWLER]

looks sweet! but, is it just me, or does it look like kyosho blew the dust of the double dare tire molds for that tires on this?:lol:

[AKRCC]

Hmmmm, it is all starting.............

oh yes, lol Tamiya did it with Axial and with Kyosho producing, i say a Losi crawler in the near Future... come on... rock claws.... 4" crawler shocks... its bound to happen. Ill put money on it.

[binaryterror]

I live in North Dakota so its hard for me to meet any of the higher ups in the industry, which i hope to someday be a part of

Step 1 move out of North Dakotah fast, you need to be in California.

[bretkissick]

Nitro Blizzard, is there a special one you're looking for?

http://www.ultimatehobbies.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=KYO31853B!1012

[701 Technique]

Step 1 move out of North Dakotah fast, you need to be in California.

no kidding, I would've given my left nut to be able to make it to RCX

Nitro Blizzard, is there a special one you're looking for?

http://www.ultimatehobbies.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=KYO31853B!1012 (http://www.ultimatehobbies.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=KYO31853B%211012)

thats the one I'm looking at actually, It's just a matter of me being a poor college student:-(

[John]

I believe you could still do 2wd, but no freewheel?


I wouldn't be so quick to count out freewheel. If you disengage the gears from the worm drive, you can freewheel. I think you will be surprised when you see what Kyosho has designed into this new axle. ;-)

Drive + Free + Lock

[danielk]

I WILL have one of these. they designed it specifically for me, I swear. :D

[SilverRidge]

+1 if you look to the left pic, it seems that the receiving gear is kept engaged in left position under the worm by a spring and the servo can slide the receiving gear to the right for disengage it from the worm gear so it could freewheel
http://www.genkidoridori.com/images/crawler/kyosho_03.png


another thing to think : does the worm gear affect the torque twist cause there is less effort at the input of the axles , the worm gear giving high reduction, the center driveshaft turn quickly with less torque and the effort is mainly concentrated in the axles driveshaft between the 'diff' and the wheels ..

[Rudukai13]

If the worm gears do well enough it could affect some other companies as well.

[BitHed]

I need your connections!

LoL...I am just waiting for HPI to get back to me on the job they want me for...I was told that they couldnt fit me in right now but that i had to wait for a couple of months ;) And THAT was MANY months ago lol...

...it will be intersting to see what all these makers bring to the party over the next few months though...And even MORE interesting to see if the Kyosho Super really DOES come to market, which I am sure it will...

[BitHed]

...Gomen...Not my pics :roll:

http://e-savage.com/gallery/data/500/DSC04674.jpg

http://e-savage.com/gallery/data/500/DSC04679.jpg

Basically the translation in the second pic, from what I can physically SEE is pretty much the same as what has been listed in the thread so far, its pretty damn small writing though...

And FYI its still listed as a 'Sample' or 'Presentation Model' so it may or may not change slightly in production...

[John]

Front dig all bundled up in the rear axles. Drive ~ Freewheel ~ Lock

Twin Force style heavy duty C's and axle case.

BitHed is correct. This is very close to their production model, with just slight modificatons still to be done.

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/41/kyoshorockforcehz9.jpg

[BitHed]

...oh goody oh goody...Line up behind me fellas :D Or is this going to be another one of those North America first product releases you think :D

[petrini]

It´s coming, before christmas. I must remind my self to buy me one for chistmas.:lol:

http://www.kyosho.de/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=18984&category_id=49a7cb46de671d38a6d8d008cded3c31&ps_session=1a27c17c75fb873d24f570b85f755361&mod_title=product&setlang=deu

And check out the video, it looks great.

[TheHeadHunter]

Sweeeeeet.... I like those axles. Kyosho would be stupid not to release this in the states.

Don't worry Javelin i got ya covered ,for you $150 shipping fee and its at your door in no time!!!

[TheHeadHunter]

Why are the chassis plates set out so wide on this thing???
Any of the guys in Japan hear any price quotes mentioned>?

[HndsWthtShdws]

It looks like the dig is after the worm gear. When digging the axle should be able to freewheel.

[JIA's Dad]

looks like some things are optional. Wonder if the options cost more?

http://www.kyosho.de/shop_image/attachment/487ecfd9d05fc60fc372282f651408ab.pdf