comp 4

[shrek]

i know this is last minuite but i decided to throw in another comp before the 1st of july this is to qualify us for nats. this suday at davisburg at 1:00 IF YOU CAN MAKE IT GREAT if not i will see you on the 22nd at auburn hills thanks gary.

[xzk7nr]

im in. ill have to check but i think im am out of the doghouse
plus i think the wife is bring work home to do so ill probably
be banished anyways.

update just checked I am In

[shrek]

thats great bob see you there.

[binaryterror]

I guess I'm out for the Nats...bummer.

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Me and Blaine are in, we'll be there. "thumbsup"

[OLD Tim]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_2.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxmk572YYUS) just tore the goat apart, i dont think i will have my slingshot ready for this weekend. if i dont have fun.............Tim





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[saul]

im in...for 2.2...not sure if the yoda will be ready or not

[kazi]

so, you have comp the 8th and the 22nd? definetivelly I've not choosen the right weekend this time :lol::lol::lol:

[Crawlerguy851]

If my truck's finished before then, I'll come.

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Fella's, I know that this last minute, but we have to for the members that will qualify for the national's. We have to have 4 comps or GTG before July 1st, so I hope you guys can make it out. Take care Darren.

[admiket]

wont have the truck's done by then :(

[1981toyotapu]

Im in, and so is XJFarmer. Just got to finish up my maxx shafts tonight and ill be ready for some action.

[twistedone]

is this part of the point series now?:shock::shock: and is this not the 3rd trip to mill race for you guys in a month seems like it might be a little advantage to some?:shock::shock:

[binaryterror]

Mill Race is a different park Bobby.

Of course its an advantage to some. Some live close, but I can't say the same for myself, if there was a comp spot by me I'd be there very often.

I won't be going, made other commitments. Hope you all have some fun.

[twistedone]

so did I miss the address somewhere in the post? is mill race not davisburg?

[rcracer]

is this part of the point series now?:shock::shock: and is this not the 3rd trip to mill race for you guys in a month seems like it might be a little advantage to some?:shock::shock:

this last minute comp is due to the New changes for Nats as of 5/31. 4 comps must be completed by july 1st so the new rules say in order to qualify for Nats invite.

mill race to my knowledge is not davisburg.

[twistedone]

this last minute comp is due to the New changes for Nats as of 5/31. 4 comps must be completed by july 1st so the new rules say in order to qualify for Nats invite.

mill race to my knowledge is not davisburg.

address?

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Mill race park is in Commerce Twp. right on Commerce road, Davisburg is on Davisburg Rd. in Davisburg out by Pheasent run two different spots. Mill race park is strictly for scale runs, no rock piles. And the only reason we are holding a comp is to qualify for National's.

[rcracer]

Don't suppose we could have everyone post what days they can make it before july first so we have the largest turn out?

7th, 8th, 14th, 15th, 21st, 28th or 29th.

[kazi]

15th :lol::lol::lol:

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

I think it would be better if it was on the 15th, because Kazi will be able to come to the comp. He'll be here on the 14th. "thumbsup"

[kazi]

Don't do it for me :lol::lol::lol:, but if other people can't attend the comp next Sunday and it's changed to the 15th that will be cool.

[admiket]

I think it would be better if it was on the 15th, because Kazi will be able to come to the comp. He'll be here on the 14th. "thumbsup"

i agree. i plan on coming the 15th for the gtg but if its a comp all the better. better reason to spend on gas."thumbsup"

[twistedone]

I could probally get away with it but is the 15th FATHERS DAY? some might not be able to get away

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Yes it is, but what a better way to spend a fathers day, then doing something you enjoy. But Bob, you are right some fathers spend the day with the family.

[binaryterror]

you are right some fathers spend the day with the family.

LOL I thought you were supposed to be nice to your Father on father's day, meaning leaving him alone! ha.

I usually do stuff early/late with my dad. Heck who knows I might bring him along instead, he likes this crawling stuff somewhat.

[XJ Farmer]

So when is the comp? I need to crawl8) When ever is good for me, I'll be there"thumbsup"

[hitman46mod]

15th :lol::lol::lol:I would also like to comp with kazi. I just checked with the boss and I'm in for this Sun. I do know that kazi is comming out to run at Davisburg for a GTG on 6/15 we could make it compish have a course laid out and practice judging."thumbsup"

[1981toyotapu]

Im with farmer, so whichever works!

[shrek]

the comp is still this sunday.

[XJ Farmer]

Excelent:twisted:

[binaryterror]

I really hope the top 2 actually go to Nationals.

[rock runt]

the comp is still this sunday.
Pardon my ignorance, where is the comp? Mill Pond or Mill Race?

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Neither, Davisburg.

[rcracer]

Pardon my ignorance, where is the comp? Mill Pond or Mill Race?

mill pond....errmm I think that is davisburg??

[saul]

mill pond is davisberg

mill race is commerce


comp is davisberg

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

I did'nt know that the park In Davisburg was called mill pond, my bad. LOL :lol:

[rock runt]

10-4"thumbsup" No sign up in the comp section?

[twistedone]

I did'nt know that the park In Davisburg was called mill pond, my bad. LOL :lol:
Thats why I was confused but that dont take much:twisted::twisted:"thumbsup"

[rcracer]

the comp is still this sunday.

I'm in for all 3 classes

[Bam Bam]

sorry can't make it don't have money to fix the tlt:-(

[hitman46mod]

I could not find a sign up thread in the comp section.:shock:

[shrek]

yeah my bad i didn't put one over there this time sorry.:-(

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

sorry can't make it don't have money to fix the tlt:-(

Dude, when your funds get better, you really need to dump the TLT. Hpoe to see you on 6/22/08 at Auburn Hills, best of luck. "thumbsup"

[twistedone]

is this part of the point series now?:shock::shock: and is this not the 3rd trip to mill race for you guys in a month seems like it might be a little advantage to some?:shock::shock:


can the upper management answer this in red for me?

[twistedone]

sorry can't make it don't have money to fix the tlt:-(

what do you need i have 2 complete axles do you need to borrow one?

[shrek]

yeah this part of the point series.

[xzk7nr]

sorry can't make it don't have money to fix the tlt:-(
what parts do you need?

[saul]

yah...in order for michigan to have an invite to nats

we have to have 4 comps completed by july 1st to be recognized

our snowy start to comp season kinda held us back so we have to cram in another fast just to get an invite

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Just to let everyone know today's comp starts at 1:00.

[twistedone]

yeah this part of the point series.

WOW AND STILL NO DROPS?

[twistedone]

well Guys and Gals I had a great time today was very nice to see all the guys BUT.......and you all new that was coming
1.My problem is yet another rule change in the middle of a comp series

2. if my body is not scale and all looked at it all day why would none in our CLUB approach me and say something before it was time to run it

3. our leader just shrugged his shoulders and said nothing (who is the rule committee in this club it needs to be posted)

4. as many might now know me and Super Bob have issues and have keep these in pms and was hoping there was no issues we could not get over but all said" give him the points" and he was very stuck on no points for Bob Coleman so I chose to leave to avoid any other issues so my scale will stay home no biggie

I would love to see all the score sheets please from this comp can someone please copy them I will pay ya for the copies

I was also told in the past that the points didn't matter to anyone well I guess they really do

I would like to make a public apologize to all that I might have offended and hope some can understand my points I have made here


any questions or concerns please call me im not afraid to talk to anyone
about this 734-629-8404

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Well fella's I had a great time today at our comp. We had an awesome turn out for such a short notice. The new chassis works pretty good, I think It's a keeper. :lol: "thumbsup"

[rock runt]

well Guys and Gals I had a great time today was very nice to see all the guys BUT.......and you all new that was coming
1.My problem is yet another rule change in the middle of a comp series

2. if my body is not scale and all looked at it all day why would none in our CLUB approach me and say something before it was time to run it

3. our leader just shrugged his shoulders and said nothing (who is the rule committee in this club it needs to be posted)

4. as many might now know me and Super Bob have issues and have keep these in pms and was hoping there was no issues we could not get over but all said" give him the points" and he was very stuck on no points for Bob Coleman so I chose to leave to avoid any other issues so my scale will stay home no biggie

I would love to see all the score sheets please from this comp can someone please copy them I will pay ya for the copies

I was also told in the past that the points didn't matter to anyone well I guess they really do

I would like to make a public apologize to all that I might have offended and hope some can understand my points I have made here


any questions or concerns please call me im not afraid to talk to anyone
about this 734-629-8404

Wish I was there, but the little dudes had my attention today. Bob, as you know from RC racing when you put a plastic trophy up for grabs people get competitive. Human nature...This is why the GTG's are so laid back and fun. I'm not saying the comps aren't fun, but the stakes change. Hang in there"thumbsup"

[twistedone]

Wish I was there, but the little dudes had my attention today. Bob, as you know from RC racing when you put a plastic trophy up for grabs people get competitive. Human nature...This is why the GTG's are so laid back and fun. I'm not saying the comps aren't fun, but the stakes change. Hang in there"thumbsup" I am Hanging tough thanks man "thumbsup""thumbsup"

[80mac]

So, when is the next comp, is it still on the 22nd in Auburn Hills? If so could someone post the address for me, as I have not been there before.
Thanks

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

80mac, The address is 1827 N. Squirrel Rd. Auburn Hills MI. 48326 hope this helps, and it is on June 22nd at 2:00. Sign up in the competition section under comp #3, hope to see you there. "thumbsup"

Also there will be a GTG at Mill Pond in Davisburg on June 15th at 12:00

[binaryterror]

The new chassis works pretty good, I think It's a keeper. :lol: "thumbsup"

What chassis you and Blaine running now?

[xzk7nr]

I would also apologize for few things,
1. Anyone who thinks that they are being singled out or treated unfair.
The same rules apply to everyone.
2. The scores are going to be late due to the fact I still don’t have power.
But they will be done as soon as I get power. My laptop has no battery
left.
3. That this held up the comp for scaler and the supers.

The main thing about scale class and it’s in the rules, all vehicles and drivers should adhere to the “spirit” of a street legal off-road vehicle. So to address Bob's issues.

1.My problem is yet another rule change in the middle of a comp series.

No this is the same rule that has been in place from the beginning. And it is a rule that everyone follows. It is the same rule as your group is/will be using running.
The Scale 4x4 rules clearly states :
• Wheelbase and width is limited only by your body, but it must fit within the body’s fender wells.

If you want to go by scale, a 1:1 4 door Jeep JK's wheelbase is 116 inches so that means in tenth scale its about 11.6 inches. So now that means your wheel base needs to be
11.6 inches and the body needs to have a measurement of 11.6 inch from center to center of each wheel well. Bob the center your tires come no where near your center of the wheel wells.

Now another way to look at it, compare the rigs to one and other. Now when you got your truck the body on it was a 2 door FJ which is about the size of a 2 door Jeep TJ. I’m pretty sure that the TJ wheel base is 90", so that would meant the 4 door jeep is longer than a TJ or FJ. So for the JK body to work it would need to be the same size or bigger than the original. Or you will need to shrink the wheel base of your truck.

Heres a link to what are some guidelines to what scale means:
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105495

2. If my body is not scale and all looked at it all day why would none in our CLUB approach me and say something before it was time to run it

Believe it or not I didn’t really have time to look at really anything at the comp till we started tech. And I bet some people were worried about their own stuff. The only time did check it out on the web to see how the springs were held in place so I could see how I could put them on my scaler. And at that time you still had the FJ body on it. And even if I did look at it or say something at any other time the same reaction would have happened.

And at the same time of you blaming me or any one else did you go thru and read the rules first? Or maybe post up something asking if it was scale or not or what would work best? Some research in the scaler section would of explained how and what you need to a make body work?

And I never said you could not run, all I said was you cant get the body deduction points.

3. our leader just shrugged his shoulders and said nothing (who is the rule committee in this club it needs to be posted)
I didn’t see Gary do that so I can comment on that.

4. as many might now know me and Super Bob have issues and have keep these in pms and was hoping there was no issues we could not get over but all said" give him the points" and he was very stuck on no points for Bob Coleman so I chose to leave to avoid any other issues so my scale will stay home no biggie

Bob the point of scale class is to look scale. Not to just though a bunch of crap on a rig to get deduction points. I had a snorkel on the side of mine that was made out of a ball cup, bent axial link and a link end. I was told it didn’t count. So I got over it and went on. Al did the same thing and his wasn’t aloud either, but he already hit the 25 point max, but if he had not it would not of counted.

I would love to see all the score sheets please from this comp can someone please copy them I will pay ya for the copies

I've got them how much are you paying?

I was also told in the past that the points didn't matter to anyone well I guess they really do

Except for not sorting Gary and Jake by their times in the first comp by time you are the only person to complain about anything related to points. And now every time it does come up it ohhhh Bob against Bob. I’m out for Bob Coleman. I am not. If anyone else showed up with that body that much out of proportion to the chassis I would of said the same thing. You can run but you are not going to get the point deduction. So instead of listening to what everybody said and getting an explanation of the rule you just stormed off. After you left, everyone asked what the rule was, it was explained, and it made sense to everyone.

[binaryterror]

Except for not sorting Gary and Jake by their times in the first comp by time you are the only person to complain about anything related to points.

That was not a complaint Bob, just a point I wanted to make to let Gary get his 2nd place finish is all. We tied and I knew I didn't do the run very quickly and I wanted Gary to get the place he deserved.

[twistedone]

I would also apologize for few things,
1. Anyone who thinks that they are being singled out or treated unfair.
The same rules apply to everyone.
2. The scores are going to be late due to the fact I still don’t have power.
But they will be done as soon as I get power. My laptop has no battery
left.
3. That this held up the comp for scaler and the supers.

The main thing about scale class and it’s in the rules, all vehicles and drivers should adhere to the “spirit” of a street legal off-road vehicle. So to address Bob's issues.

1.My problem is yet another rule change in the middle of a comp series.

No this is the same rule that has been in place from the beginning. And it is a rule that everyone follows. It is the same rule as your group is/will be using running.
The Scale 4x4 rules clearly states :
• Wheelbase and width is limited only by your body, but it must fit within the body’s fender wells.

If you want to go by scale, a 1:1 4 door Jeep JK's wheelbase is 116 inches so that means in tenth scale its about 11.6 inches. So now that means your wheel base needs to be
11.6 inches and the body needs to have a measurement of 11.6 inch from center to center of each wheel well. Bob the center your tires come no where near your center of the wheel wells.

Now another way to look at it, compare the rigs to one and other. Now when you got your truck the body on it was a 2 door FJ which is about the size of a 2 door Jeep TJ. I’m pretty sure that the TJ wheel base is 90", so that would meant the 4 door jeep is longer than a TJ or FJ. So for the JK body to work it would need to be the same size or bigger than the original. Or you will need to shrink the wheel base of your truck.

Heres a link to what are some guidelines to what scale means:
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105495

2. If my body is not scale and all looked at it all day why would none in our CLUB approach me and say something before it was time to run it

Believe it or not I didn’t really have time to look at really anything at the comp till we started tech. And I bet some people were worried about their own stuff. The only time did check it out on the web to see how the springs were held in place so I could see how I could put them on my scaler. And at that time you still had the FJ body on it. And even if I did look at it or say something at any other time the same reaction would have happened.

And at the same time of you blaming me or any one else did you go thru and read the rules first? Or maybe post up something asking if it was scale or not or what would work best? Some research in the scaler section would of explained how and what you need to a make body work?

And I never said you could not run, all I said was you cant get the body deduction points.

3. our leader just shrugged his shoulders and said nothing (who is the rule committee in this club it needs to be posted)
I didn’t see Gary do that so I can comment on that.

4. as many might now know me and Super Bob have issues and have keep these in pms and was hoping there was no issues we could not get over but all said" give him the points" and he was very stuck on no points for Bob Coleman so I chose to leave to avoid any other issues so my scale will stay home no biggie

Bob the point of scale class is to look scale. Not to just though a bunch of crap on a rig to get deduction points. I had a snorkel on the side of mine that was made out of a ball cup, bent axial link and a link end. I was told it didn’t count. So I got over it and went on. Al did the same thing and his wasn’t aloud either, but he already hit the 25 point max, but if he had not it would not of counted.

I would love to see all the score sheets please from this comp can someone please copy them I will pay ya for the copies

I've got them how much are you paying?

I was also told in the past that the points didn't matter to anyone well I guess they really do

Except for not sorting Gary and Jake by their times in the first comp by time you are the only person to complain about anything related to points. And now every time it does come up it ohhhh Bob against Bob. I’m out for Bob Coleman. I am not. If anyone else showed up with that body that much out of proportion to the chassis I would of said the same thing. You can run but you are not going to get the point deduction. So instead of listening to what everybody said and getting an explanation of the rule you just stormed off. After you left, everyone asked what the rule was, it was explained, and it made sense to everyone.

SUPER Bob
IT WAS NOT THE FACT OF THE BODY AT ALL IT IS YOUR TONE AND THE TALKING BEHIND MY BACK THAT IS GOING ON YOU GUYS NEED TO STOP!!! GROW A PAIR AND CONFRONT ME AND ASK THE QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO

ITS REAL FUNNY HOW A COUPLE WEEKS AGO I WAS ASKED TO STEP UP TO PRESIDENT OF MiRCa AND TAKE OVER AND NOW IM THE BAD GUY IF ANYONE DONT BELIEVE THIS I HAVE THE PMS TO STATE MY CASE
SO FAR THE FAB 4 HAVE BICKERD BETWEEN EACH OTHER 2 TIMES AND SAID HAVE BOB TAKE OVER SO THERE ARE ISSUES IN THIS CLUB AND THIS POINT SERIES THAT ARE BEYOND ME

TWISTED CRAWLERS IS A ANOTHER OPTION IF SOMEONE DON'T LIKE IT PLEASE DONT COME I AM DOING IT FOR THE SPORT AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE MOST CAN SEE AND HAVE SAID WOW WHAT A GREAT JOB JUST LIKE A STORE YOU DONT LIKE LOWES GO TO HOME DEPOT THATS ALL


I WAS TOLD BY JUSTGOINGSLOW ALL WAS GOOD BUT I GUESS NOT
SO ON THAT NOTE REMOVE ME AND MY FAMILY FROM THE POINTS AND I WILL MOVE ON

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

What chassis you and Blaine running now?

I'm running a Bender knockoff that Kazi made (Moxter) and Blaine is running the Stage 3 Racing Goat.

[xzk7nr]

That was not a complaint Bob, just a point I wanted to make to let Gary get his 2nd place finish is all. We tied and I knew I didn't do the run very quickly and I wanted Gary to get the place he deserved.
I know it wasnt complaint. I screwed up.

[binaryterror]

I know it wasnt complaint. I screwed up.

That neither good sir, it was our first comp, we had some learning to do is all. We actually hit a loophole none of us likely expected.

[hitman46mod]

SUPER Bob
IT WAS NOT THE FACT OF THE BODY AT ALL IT IS YOUR TONE AND THE TALKING BEHIND MY BACK THAT IS GOING ON YOU GUYS NEED TO STOP!!! GROW A PAIR AND CONFRONT ME AND ASK THE QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO

ITS REAL FUNNY HOW A COUPLE WEEKS AGO I WAS ASKED TO STEP UP TO PRESIDENT OF MiRCa AND TAKE OVER AND NOW IM THE BAD GUY IF ANYONE DONT BELIEVE THIS I HAVE THE PMS TO STATE MY CASE
SO FAR THE FAB 4 HAVE BICKERD BETWEEN EACH OTHER 2 TIMES AND SAID HAVE BOB TAKE OVER SO THERE ARE ISSUES IN THIS CLUB AND THIS POINT SERIES THAT ARE BEYOND ME

TWISTED CRAWLERS IS A ANOTHER OPTION IF SOMEONE DON'T LIKE IT PLEASE DONT COME I AM DOING IT FOR THE SPORT AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE MOST CAN SEE AND HAVE SAID WOW WHAT A GREAT JOB JUST LIKE A STORE YOU DONT LIKE LOWES GO TO HOME DEPOT THATS ALL


I WAS TOLD BY JUSTGOINGSLOW ALL WAS GOOD BUT I GUESS NOT
SO ON THAT NOTE REMOVE ME AND MY FAMILY FROM THE POINTS AND I WILL MOVE ON


Bob understand that Twistedcrawlers as you stated is an option. So is MiRCa. What Gary and the others have done is created a conduit through which people can compete in this hobby and get to the nationals. I myself could care less about nationals or a trophy. I would love to have scored GTG's just to hone skills. I would also like to have some theroy and driving classes so we can share what we have learned in the hobby. So I and some of the others have our GTGs and we have fun. We also go to the comps and compete. We all need to step back and look at what were doing. These fights are ruining this hobby. This is why I got out of RC before and I will be sad if I have to leave again because of the same.:-(

[binaryterror]

It's going to happen guys. When you add in competition to any hobby, it gets drama filled. Rules are therefore a reason and sadly RC Crawling rules are terribly weak compared to any other competitive RC or full size rules.

I'm in it for competition...friends come along as a result, I've met quite a few in Nitro using only races as a meeting ground. I've also met all the MiRCa guys on the basis of competition for me.

GTG's are fun, but I can't justify the mileage to drive to your guy's side of the woods enough. Not at these fuel prices, nor having a job working me as hard as they are with things we have going on.

[hitman46mod]

It's going to happen guys. When you add in competition to any hobby, it gets drama filled. Rules are therefore a reason and sadly RC Crawling rules are terribly weak compared to any other competitive RC or full size rules.

I'm in it for competition...friends come along as a result, I've met quite a few in Nitro using only races as a meeting ground. I've also met all the MiRCa guys on the basis of competition for me.

GTG's are fun, but I can't justify the mileage to drive to your guy's side of the woods enough. Not at these fuel prices, nor having a job working me as hard as they are with things we have going on. Right on, we just need to chill Step back and take a breath.

[twistedone]

Bob understand that Twistedcrawlers as you stated is an option. So is MiRCa. What Gary and the others have done is created a conduit through which people can compete in this hobby and get to the nationals. I myself could care less about nationals or a trophy. I would love to have scored GTG's just to hone skills. I would also like to have some theroy and driving classes so we can share what we have learned in the hobby. So I and some of the others have our GTGs and we have fun. We also go to the comps and compete. We all need to step back and look at what were doing. These fights are ruining this hobby. This is why I got out of RC before and I will be sad if I have to leave again because of the same.:-(
pm sent

[kazi]

I'm running a Bender knockoff that Kazi made (Moxter) and Blaine is running the Stage 3 Racing Goat.

any pics?"thumbsup"

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

I,ll try to post some pics later Kazi. :lol:

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Kazi, "BEWARE"

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/caddyshack_01/DSC08179.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/caddyshack_01/DSC08180.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/caddyshack_01/DSC08181.jpg

[kazi]

Kazi, "BEWARE"

Not too bad my young grasshopper :lol::lol::lol:, I've seen you have done some polishing, looks cool."thumbsup"

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Thank you sir, the Moxter is really sweet, the best chassis by far. I can't wait to get the evil twins out there this weekend. :twisted: :twisted:

[kazi]

Do you want me to pick up you? I don't mind driving down to Commerce twp

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Sure, do you have a GPS :?: or MAPQUEST

[kazi]

Got your address, I'll sleep saturday night in Novi because Fenton Hotel is full, so I'm pretty near."thumbsup"