Venom compared to Axial [Archive] - RCCrawler.com Bulletin Board

Just Zach

01-08-2009, 11:09 AM

Hopefully this works out but I just picked up a Venom and am going to get it together today with a Reign Widemouth Chaos. If not it will go stock chassis but I only have today to get it done.

I'll compare stuff with Axial as I go.

Tranny is done

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/P1080310.jpg

Just Zach

01-08-2009, 11:22 AM

Well, annoying issue # 1. One of the lower links wasn't threaded. Now I have to find my tap:-(

dezfan

01-08-2009, 11:24 AM

Great Z, I have a Creeper on the way, I'll let you find and fix all the bugs!:ror:

Just Zach

01-08-2009, 12:11 PM

Well, I couldn't find my tap so I gave up and am going to try to use some bent links I have.

Also, 2 holes and the widemouth is going to work great.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/P1080311.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/P1080312.jpg

dezfan

01-08-2009, 12:29 PM

Sexy!"thumbsup"

I already dug my tap out of the tool box and have it sitting on the work bench, next.:ror:

2JSC

01-08-2009, 12:32 PM

That tranny is HUGE! :shock:

Just Zach

01-08-2009, 12:39 PM

Sexy!"thumbsup"

I already dug my tap out of the tool box and have it sitting on the work bench, next.:ror:

It was just one so hopefully its a fluke

That tranny is HUGE! :shock:

Yeah, that's what I thought

dezfan

01-08-2009, 12:44 PM

Yeah, I'm not sure what the designers were thinking when they designed that colossal tranny. I thought for sure it was so a DIG unit could be added, but that looks to be an external unit as well?

2JSC

01-08-2009, 12:46 PM

I don't see why they couldn't have built a dig into the housing... is there a spur in the there or is it all gear reduction? Does the pinion do all the gearing adjustments?

chris4207

01-08-2009, 01:49 PM

It was to my understanding that they have a front and rear dig built in.

dezfan

01-08-2009, 01:50 PM

It was to my understanding that they have a front and rear dig built in.

That's the Losi.

chris4207

01-08-2009, 01:59 PM

Yup your right, I just looked at a pic. It looks like it has about 8-9 gears inside.

Just Zach

01-08-2009, 02:07 PM

Just to show how I attached the chassis

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/P1080313.jpg

Just Zach

01-08-2009, 02:11 PM

Here's a picture of the axles side by side. As I measure them the Axial is 102mm hex to hex. The Venom is 108mm hex to hex. It does come with fairly wide hexs though so I am thinking with some narrower hexes you could get rid of most of the difference if you wanted to.

They went together well though. Everything seems well made and they feel smooth. The locking/unlocking diff could be helpful. I hope to set mine up with the front on a servo to switch it.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/P1080314.jpg

With stock Berg wheel (same offset as stock Axial wheels) and Losi tire the width ends up at 10.5" It looks like the Venom wheels have more offset. I'll post up when I have them mounted.

2JSC

01-08-2009, 02:37 PM

Will the knuckles interchange?

werty

01-08-2009, 03:11 PM

One thing I saw is the venoms outputs is in the center of the chassis, versus axial off set outputs.

Just Zach

01-08-2009, 03:17 PM

Will the knuckles interchange?

Quite possibly, them measure out within .4mm of each other.

One thing I saw is the venoms outputs is in the center of the chassis, versus axial off set outputs.

Agreed on that. With the widemouth chassis it will be super easy to mount stuff on the side of the tranny.

Just Zach

01-08-2009, 07:38 PM

I wanted to show more build pics but I had to get this done today. I have a buddy that is going to test it at the Sin City comp this weekend.

I mounted the shocks next to the lower links on the axles and limited them quite a bit and they could use more limiting. I'm actually quite impressed with the kit overall. I've been a fan of internal and external springs on shafies for a long time now.

I need to look and see what Venom offers but I would like to get the differentials to lock and unlock with a servo.

Here what I like more on the Venom kit over the Axial, keep in mind that these are first impressions

Axles w/ CVD's stock
Drive shafts
Shocks
Wheels but that's just looks
Tires seem alright, I'll try them out soon but at least they look great
Rod ends seem better

What I like more about the ARTR kit more
Chassis
Tranny is WAY smaller
Lockouts on the rear axles
Proven strength

Either could be taken with a little bit of adjustments and be made into a real competitor.

Finished pics

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/P1080315.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/P1080317.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/P1080318.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/P1080319.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/P1080321.jpg

dezfan

01-08-2009, 07:45 PM

Nice work, funny how a new rig gets you itchin to build something.:ror:

Looking forward to it's performance evaluation.

PinchFlat

01-08-2009, 07:56 PM

Not bad at all "thumbsup"

miniwheeler

01-08-2009, 09:53 PM

Looks good"thumbsup" I should have mine soon!

jmosley

01-08-2009, 10:56 PM

nice work. i'm having trouble deciding on an axial or a venom right now

88_Pathy

01-09-2009, 02:07 AM

Looks bad arse to me. Too bad about the link though.

TheHeadHunter

01-09-2009, 05:20 AM

Whats with all the bitchin about the size of the tranny ???

The CR-01 tranny is bigger than my head and I never even heard a squeak :evil:

Just Zach

01-09-2009, 06:29 AM

Whats with all the bitchin about the size of the tranny ???

The CR-01 tranny is bigger than my head and I never even heard a squeak :evil:

The CR-01 isn't really supposed to be a comp rig and this is.

renoirbud

01-09-2009, 07:24 AM

As I measure them the Axial is 102mm hex to hex. The Venom is 108mm hex to hex.

Hey Zach

I believe that these numbers are not right. The Axial is 7.56" (192 mm) wide. If the Venom was 108 mm hex to hex it would be smaller then the MRC wich is 5.5 hex to hex.

Thanks

Just Zach

01-09-2009, 07:48 AM

Hey Zach

I believe that these numbers are not right. The Axial is 7.56" (192 mm) wide. If the Venom was 108 mm hex to hex it would be smaller then the MRC wich is 5.5 hex to hex.

Thanks

Wow, yeah I must have screwed that up big time. Now that I think about it that's just over 4 inches:lol: Hopefully I can measure again today but in any case I am sure they are 6mm wider than the axials.

I'm pretty sure I meant to do 192 Axial and 198 Venom becuase there is a 6mm difference overall but that could almost be made up with narrower hexes.

Just Zach

01-09-2009, 07:50 AM

nice work. i'm having trouble deciding on an axial or a venom right now

If the Venom axles hold up like the Axial then you couldn't go wrong either way.

kasper

01-09-2009, 08:23 AM

Nice build mine should be arriving on saturday cant wait to get er done and compare...........kasper

renoirbud

01-09-2009, 08:46 AM

Wow, yeah I must have screwed that up big time. Now that I think about it that's just over 4 inches:lol: Hopefully I can measure again today but in any case I am sure they are 6mm wider than the axials.

No big deal. It would be great if you can measure them again.

Thanks

Just Zach

01-09-2009, 02:44 PM

Ok, new measurements. The Venoms are approximately 198mm. I just put on Axial hexes though and it brought it down to about 195mm.

kikcaffine

01-09-2009, 06:16 PM

nice work. i'm having trouble deciding on an axial or a venom right now

Do like I did and get both!

DeaDShorT

01-09-2009, 06:27 PM

Or get the venom axles with the remote locking diffs, a dual dig trans and at least a 5 channel radio and have fun trying to keep everything sorted out and drive at the same time:lol:

Nice write up, and a nice looking comp rig"thumbsup"

dezfan

01-09-2009, 06:29 PM

I'm going to use my Creepers on my Wreckluse, be cool as hell to have lockable axles on a scaler."thumbsup"

Hurley0706

01-09-2009, 09:14 PM

Great build Zach. First impressions are always important.

Just waiting for mine to show in the mail.

Kamikaze

01-10-2009, 08:49 AM

The axles look awsome, but I am still going to say it.....the lower links are rediculous.........

keala

01-10-2009, 11:58 PM

hey kami, why don't you buy a kit and work on a chassis kit for this rig. all delrin would be nice plus the delrin bent links would work great on it too.

Just Zach

01-11-2009, 10:39 AM

Thanks guys. This rig got ran yesterday by a friend of mine and for it being his first time competing he did really well, he took 10th at the Sin City comp.

It performs very well, here are a couple of the things I noticed.

First off, the steering is incredible! I've never seen anything that can steer like that although the new Losi claims even better.

The skid plate on the tranny sucks. It easily gets hung up on stuff because it points down and is significantly below the links.

I don't understand the links but they work fine.

The little axle skids or whatever you want to call them actually work well. We saw a time or two when they helped and I never saw when they were a problem.

We are going to run some more today, I'll get some pics too.

I think I am going to replace the stock tranny with an Axial and a standard narrow Widemouth skid. That way I can get it at least 15mm narrower, reduce weight and get rid of the stock skid.

dezfan

01-11-2009, 11:12 AM

Yeah, while I planned on using the axles, I too picked up an Axial tranny. The Creeper tranny is just to big.

miniwheeler

01-11-2009, 09:36 PM

The tranny is kind of porky but with the dig installed it dont look too bad.

Hurley0706

01-11-2009, 10:05 PM

I am still waiting for mine but no matter how long I look at these pictures I cannot understand why that freaking trans is so huge. :shock:

Glad to hear it performed well "thumbsup"

Just Zach

01-12-2009, 10:02 AM

Here's a few pics from this weekend. The first one Diesel took at the Sin City comp. The others are from a new spot we checked out at Gooseberry Mesa in Southern Utah

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/DSC_0525.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1110347.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1110346.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1110345.jpg

cato

01-12-2009, 03:37 PM

Well...............how'ed it do:?:

Just Zach

01-12-2009, 03:58 PM

Well...............how'ed it do:?:

I didn't drive it but my friend that did took 10th in his first comp ever with driving it for about 5 minutes total before. It does very, very well.

To me the skid is more of an issue than the tranny. The front tip hangs up on stuff a lot because it hangs below the links so much.

That's the only real issue I can come up with. Besides that everything else works very well and seems well enough made for the price.

CRAWLINGAROUND

01-12-2009, 04:13 PM

Just Zach

01-12-2009, 04:22 PM

The trans is a stressed member of the chassis. It supports the lower links and ties the TVP's and the battery tray together and provides an ESC mount/location. The chassis is very rigid to transfer twisting load to the suspension and allow the suspension to do its job smoothly. The gears are larger than those found in other trans and they can take more load and stress than you would probably ever put the Creeper through. The trans case gives us the flexability to do whatever we need. The new Dig Kit is integrated into the trans case and makes it very easy to install and use. The Creeper trans is just a different approach to giving this chassis a low center of gravity and forward bias CG while providing a centered driveline and all the above considerations. Its pretty much the heart of the Creeper concept. "thumbsup"

Chris

Like I said, the trans really isn't my issue, its the point that comes down over 1/4" under the lower links and gets hung up at times. I have some ideas how to fix that but its not an easy fix because of the way things are made. It wasn't hanging up everywhere but I did see it get hung up at the comp a couple of times.

As far as the tranny goes, if the dig unit fits inside the transmission than it isn't really big at all.

dezfan

01-12-2009, 08:16 PM

I guess we'll see.:twisted:

atekt

01-13-2009, 03:05 PM

Hey Zach, Im local to you. Id like to check it out sometime if possible..

Just Zach

01-13-2009, 05:29 PM

Hey Zach, Im local to you. Id like to check it out sometime if possible..

I'll probably bring it to the comp Feb 7th. You could check it out there.

drklwl

01-14-2009, 07:50 PM

i support all the new features of the creeper considering it is obvios every aspect has been looked into , to improve the general quality and functionality of the bot.

atekt

01-17-2009, 09:25 AM

I'll probably bring it to the comp Feb 7th. You could check it out there.
Right on, Ill check it out then

Just Zach

01-17-2009, 07:13 PM

Well it got a stress test today. My son (who is 5) drove it at a comp where it was nothing but broken up rocks. He bound it up like mad and no problems whatsoever"thumbsup"

Hurley0706

01-17-2009, 07:20 PM

Well it got a stress test today. My son (who is 5) drove it at a comp where it was nothing but broken up rocks. He bound it up like mad and no problems whatsoever"thumbsup"

Wow, thats good to hear. The only things I had heard about durability previously had been the people with over heat treated parts. Good to see the right ones will hold up. Still waiting to get my tracking number on mine though.

Just Zach

01-17-2009, 07:23 PM

Wow, thats good to hear. The only things I had heard about durability previously had been the people with over heat treated parts. Good to see the right ones will hold up. Still waiting to get my tracking number on mine though.

I think if these were bad he would have broken them.

The best thing about this rig is the steering. Everyone who sees it is blown away by it. I'd bet its 15 degrees more than my berg.

Hurley0706

01-17-2009, 07:26 PM

I think if these were bad he would have broken them.

The best thing about this rig is the steering. Everyone who sees it is blown away by it. I'd bet its 15 degrees more than my berg.

Steering has been the weak point of every rig I have owned so far.

Just Zach

01-17-2009, 07:29 PM

Steering has been the weak point of every rig I have owned so far.

Not going to be the problem on this one. Prepare to run a longer servo horn than you usually do.

Hurley0706

01-17-2009, 07:31 PM

Very cool, looking forward to it.

What is the width of that colosal transmission? :lol:

Just Zach

01-17-2009, 07:41 PM

Very cool, looking forward to it.

What is the width of that colosal transmission? :lol:

I'm not 100% sure but if I remember right its around 70mm or so.

Hurley0706

01-17-2009, 07:43 PM

I'm not 100% sure but if I remember right its around 70mm or so.

Close enough. Thanks Zach.

RXcrawler

01-18-2009, 12:31 PM

Got mine put together and did the first test run. I agree with everything Zach has said.

The steering is amazing!!! I bound it up pretty good several times with no problems, it seems like it's going to be a tough truck. Only down sides are the axle skids hang up a little (no huge problem), and the way the trans hangs down below the links in the center. That keep hanging me up alot, but I was driving in my rock garden that has alot of places they you normally drag the skid plate on all my trucks.

I also realized how spoiled I have gotten driving bad built rigs. It takes alot to impress me now.... Overall the truck has meet my expectations and I believe it has alot of potential.

Venon definietly did a good job on their first try making a crawler!

CRAWLINGAROUND

01-19-2009, 10:18 AM

Hurley0706

01-19-2009, 10:22 AM

Thanks! Like your avatar says " It is what it is " , lol love that saying.

Keep your comments coming guys we are paying attention to your experiences and thoughts and we appreciate your support. All this goes to making even better products for you in the future.

Chris

It's nice to see you guys so active on the forums. Axial did the same and tt has obviously helped them stay up to date with the market. This does seem like a very nice kit.

CRAWLINGAROUND

01-19-2009, 10:25 AM

Thanks, yes we are watching at least if we are not chatting with you guys but always remember we are a call or email away if you need something.

Chris

rambuller84

01-19-2009, 01:45 PM

How much do you think the tranny could hold? I need something to push around a 10# scaler with 14V and a 7T cobalt..

Just Zach

01-19-2009, 03:36 PM

I'm not 100% sure yet, I've never blown up a tranny, but this one looks to be the beefiest I have seen.

CRAWLINGAROUND

01-19-2009, 04:09 PM

That could be done, 10lbs is no problem we tested that. The next weak link might be your driveline to the axles and then the axles themselves and so on. Use our drive shafts to your axles.

Chris

TURTLE

01-21-2009, 12:37 AM

Lookin good guys. Maybe its time to spice it up and try a 5700kv, just for durability testing."thumbsup"

Just Zach

01-21-2009, 07:13 AM

Lookin good guys. Maybe its time to spice it up and try a 5700kv, just for durability testing."thumbsup"

:lol: I've got a 4600 combo just sitting8). There should be some changes tonight.

username

01-21-2009, 11:00 AM

TURTLE

01-21-2009, 11:46 AM

:lol: I've got a 4600 combo just sitting8). There should be some changes tonight.

Be sure to get some video.:lol:

Just Zach

01-21-2009, 12:49 PM

I'd like to see a picture with the body off to see how you mounted it. I'd like to make mine nice n low too! Looks good!

If you look at the first page there are pictures. I just used TLT body posts.

Just Zach

01-21-2009, 01:18 PM

Be sure to get some video.:lol:

Unfortunately that wasn't part of the plan:-(

Just Zach

01-21-2009, 09:39 PM

I've been having a little fun tonight. I picked up a Bastard Junior in a trade from Dezfan this week and knew just what I wanted to put on it.

At first my plan was to use an Axial Tranny and skid. Then I held the Venom tranny up in it and noticed something, the width was only about 2mm narrower than the chassis, the only problem was the lines didn't hold up.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1210410.jpg

That was fixable with a dremel and about 2 minutes

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1210411.jpg

dezfan

01-21-2009, 09:45 PM

Nooooooooooooo!:shock:

More pics!:ror:

Just Zach

01-21-2009, 09:48 PM

After that was done things it was time to just bolt things up. The only things I had to do different was use some 118mm links for the rear upper links and add a 5mm spacer to the upper front links.

I'm running full droop right now with the stock shocks. I'll see how that works but I'm probably going to use some 100mm shocks with internal and external springs to bring it to the same height as it is but have a 50/50 spring/droop setup.

Anyway, onto the pics

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1210417.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1210418.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1210419.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1210421.jpg

Just Zach

01-21-2009, 09:51 PM

Nooooooooooooo!:shock:

More pics!:ror:

Ok, I forgot to say, the weight is almost identical between the two. Yeah its a big fatty fat fat tranny but its growing on me.

I think with a little grinding it won't hang up so much on stuff either.

Besides, it seems to be crazy strong.

dezfan

01-21-2009, 09:52 PM

Looks like a belly dragger, you should send me the Widemouth chassis now."thumbsup"

Just Zach

01-21-2009, 09:54 PM

It extends out to 3", it has a hair more articulation than I usually run but I think it will work. Besides, I'm too lazy to take the shocks apart to limit them.

I FIGURED OUT WHAT THE LINKS ARE BENT FOR!!!!!!!!!!

I think:lol:

If you rotate them they give you the extra clearance needed to allow you to use the full steering capability of the axles without hitting the links. I have to think its what they are really for.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1210415.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1210413.jpg

Just Zach

01-21-2009, 09:57 PM

Looks like a belly dragger, you should send me the Widemouth chassis now."thumbsup"

A belly dragger is the only way to build a shafty if you ask me or about anyone in Utah."thumbsup"

The Widemouth is sticking around for the Losi I am going to build when they are available, sorry.

dezfan

01-21-2009, 10:04 PM

A belly dragger is the only way to build a shafty if you ask me or about anyone in Utah."thumbsup"

The Widemouth is sticking around for the Losi I am going to build when they are available, sorry.

I know, you Utards love the belly draggers!:ror:

Overall, I think it's sick! The Creeper tranny is starting to grow on me and I too plan to do a little Dremel work to help reduce the hanging up issue.

Never hurts to try!"thumbsup"

Just Zach

01-22-2009, 08:44 AM

I got all the electronics in it last night. Everything is really tight but I got everything mounted pretty cleanly. I got to run it some today. It was raining and it needs some Panthers on it but I got a feel for it. So far it feels really good. By no means does it beat out my berg but it is a very fun and cool rig to drive.

I still need to:
Install Reign Servo Crown Protector
Get Mayhem narrow offset wheels and Panther tires on it
Paint the panels, that should be done today. I'm torn on color though
Get shocks for 50/50 setup
Tune and tweak

Here's a couple of pictures from this morning

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1220422.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1220423.jpg

1\4elliptic toy

01-22-2009, 09:40 AM

Very nice! I like the look of that alot!

dezfan

01-22-2009, 10:19 AM

Turned out really nice Z."thumbsup"

Just Zach

01-22-2009, 10:57 AM

Thanks"thumbsup". I wasn't wanting to spend more $ on this one but I think it needs to be all blacked out.

dezfan

01-22-2009, 10:59 AM

Murder is the case that they gave me!"thumbsup"

Tanis

01-22-2009, 11:02 AM

Just Zach

01-22-2009, 11:03 AM

Thanks Tanis. Yours is looking great too.

So if murder it is, who makes black shocks? I think I can figure everything else out.

HOLLYWOOD7

01-22-2009, 11:47 AM

You mean i turn my venom creeper into a bastard jr?:shock:

Just Zach

01-22-2009, 11:49 AM

You mean i turn my venom creeper into a bastard jr?:shock:

With one simple mod"thumbsup"

Brandon

01-22-2009, 12:16 PM

That looks great Zach. Way to keep the tranny in there :shock:

I think Gmade has a black version of their shocks?

Just Zach

01-22-2009, 12:24 PM

That looks great Zach. Way to keep the tranny in there :shock:

I think Gmade has a black version of their shocks?

Thanks, I have mixed feelings, I kind of like the tranny even though its huge but today I kept hanging up on stuff with the front of that stupid skid:roll: I have a TCS delrin Axial skid on the way and a slipper, I think I might just go back to the Axial. Besides the slipper can't hurt with my 5 year old and friends that haven't crawled much using it.

I want the Venom tranny to work but everything stacks against it.

Does anyone know if the Gmade shocks are any good? One of the best things about the Venom is the shocks are great! They haven't leaked a drop and have dual ball ends.

ktmkurt

01-22-2009, 04:25 PM

Doesn't look much like a Creeper anymore but,
It looks very sic. Nice job. I do like the widemouth
chassi you had on there also.

Just Zach

01-22-2009, 05:12 PM

Doesn't look much like a Creeper anymore but,
It looks very sic. Nice job. I do like the widemouth
chassi you had on there also.

My impressions right now is that I would have to give the edge to the Widemouth on performance. But the Bastard Jr just looks so cool8)

atekt

01-22-2009, 05:43 PM

That looks killer zach! I wish my ax10 had turning like that :(

Just Zach

01-22-2009, 05:57 PM

That looks killer zach! I wish my ax10 had turning like that :(

I've yet to see anything that can rival it. It turns so well it almost makes up for dig, at least for turning sharper.

ktmkurt

01-22-2009, 06:04 PM

My impressions right now is that I would have to give the edge to the Widemouth on performance. But the Bastard Jr just looks so cool8)

So the widemouth is considerably better then the stock chassi?

Just Zach

01-22-2009, 06:07 PM

So the widemouth is considerably better then the stock chassi?

To be honest, I never ran the stock chassis. But the Widemouth allows you to tune link and shock placement. In my opinion, the stock chassis lays the shocks down and angles them in way too much.

Just Zach

01-24-2009, 09:12 AM

I gave up on the Venom tranny, not because of the tranny, but the skid. Last night I threw in an Axial tranny with a slipper in it and a The Crawler Store Delrin Skid. I ran a few of the same lines I ran 2 days ago and it was a night and day difference on not getting hung up on stuff. Besides I could hide the electronics a lot better now.

P1240425.JPG (http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=89500&stc=1&d=1232816710)

P1240426.JPG (http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=89501&stc=1&d=1232816710)

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Just Zach

01-24-2009, 09:18 AM

I've also decided I'm not going to fight the green. As cool as it would be to totally black it out its not worth the effort and $. I'm going to pick up green rear lower links today and paint the panels black on both sides so it has a flat black look.

Also I have black delrin Mayhem wheels on the way to get rid of the gold ring.

After running it today, I remembered that I like a sprung rig much more than a droop rig. I have 94mm Gmade shocks on the way that I am planning on running on it.

Also when the diff locker kit comes out I think I'll have to try that too. Between that and the steering on this in the first place it will out steer anything.

wildcardco1998

01-25-2009, 05:10 PM

That's a pretty good looking rig. I think I may have to get one of those to go with my Axial."thumbsup"

Just Zach

01-25-2009, 05:41 PM

That's a pretty good looking rig. I think I may have to get one of those to go with my Axial."thumbsup"

Thanks"thumbsup" It's just going to keep on getting better looking. I've been working to get everything to black and green. I've got some black delrin Mayhem wheels on the way to get rid of the ugly wheels on it right now. A little black tape has taken care of some other colors.

Besides that I got a couple things finished up today. First was installing a Reign RC Servo Crown. With tubers and bodied rigs where servos are exposed it helps protect your servo. It also helps to mount the servo more securely and works as a heat transfer. It got a coat of black paint, of course.

http://reignrc.com/reignrc/accessories.html

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1250310.jpg

I also got the panels painted and threw some stickers on them. I also installed some Axial Machined links on the rear.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1250311.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1250312.jpg

Brandon

01-25-2009, 09:54 PM

After running it today, I remembered that I like a sprung rig much more than a droop rig. I have 94mm Gmade shocks on the way that I am planning on running on it.

Looking forward to hearing how those shocks work. I have been wanting to try a set.

ddizlle28

01-27-2009, 12:09 PM

How do you like this crawler and are there any good aftermarket parts. I want to start crawling but dont know what to get

Just Zach

01-27-2009, 01:56 PM

How do you like this crawler and are there any good aftermarket parts. I want to start crawling but dont know what to get

There's not a lot for aftermarket parts yet but I've been very impressed so far.

dezfan

01-27-2009, 03:34 PM

Wow, it's looking killer!"thumbsup"

Can I have it back now.:ror:

Just Zach

01-27-2009, 03:51 PM

Wow, it's looking killer!"thumbsup"

Can I have it back now.:ror:

Absolutely not:lol:

Like I've said, just wait until the wheels are here.8) The ugly wheels on it right now are taking so much away from it.

ddizlle28

01-27-2009, 05:12 PM

where did u get that tube chassi/body. I would like to make a nice crawler for my first crawler, but money is limited. I mean i will build it up as i get money i just need a good starting base

Just Zach

01-27-2009, 08:26 PM

where did u get that tube chassi/body. I would like to make a nice crawler for my first crawler, but money is limited. I mean i will build it up as i get money i just need a good starting base

I got it in a trade but you can get them from RCPcrawlers.com.

Just Zach

01-30-2009, 09:27 PM

I know, they are terrible pictures, I hope to get more tomorrow but its looking sooooooooooooo much better now. Thanks Mayhem, awesome wheels as always"thumbsup" They are black delrin 7 holes with black rings.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1300330.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P1300331.jpg

dirk379

01-30-2009, 10:59 PM

How come your chassis is crooked? :-P

Looks good Z, this looks pretty sweet after watching Jason explain some stuff behind it on the live feed.

Stevek

01-30-2009, 11:49 PM

How come your chassis is crooked? :-P

Looks good Z, this looks pretty sweet after watching Jason explain some stuff behind it on the live feed.

not sure it that was a joke or not, but the 1:1 moon buggys are slanted to one side."thumbsup"

Just Zach

01-31-2009, 05:20 AM

not sure it that was a joke or not, but the 1:1 moon buggys are slanted to one side."thumbsup"

Thanks Dirk and yeah, it was a joke:ror: I agree, they are a pretty cool rig. The longer I have it the happier and I am with it.

1\4elliptic toy

01-31-2009, 07:56 AM

those wheels are schweet!! That thing looks great!

catcrawler

02-02-2009, 08:35 AM

Looks good, wheels and tires are differen't than come with the kit I got. Let us know how it worked. Again looks good.

Just Zach

02-02-2009, 10:03 AM

Looks good, wheels and tires are differen't than come with the kit I got. Let us know how it worked. Again looks good.

Thanks guys. Those are not the stock wheels, these are made my Mayhem. www.mayhemengineering.com (http://www.mayhemengineering.com) So far its working really well.

Just Zach

02-03-2009, 09:47 AM

Last night my Gmade shocks showed up for the Bastard Junior. I was going to run them sprung or 50/50 but the springs that came with them were ridiculously stiff. I didn't have anything else to throw on there so I decided to try it droop again. They are a lot shorter than the stock venom shocks and it dropped my clearance to about 2" but wow what a difference in performance.

The torque twist is greatly reduced as well as the articulation is about identical to my berg now where is was 15 degrees more easily. I think I need to add an ounce or two weight to the front wheels but besides that its doing really well now. I'd even consider running it at a comp, although I probably won't. But it does work that well.

There was one line that I just could not make with the Bastard that I can make easily with my berg and it struggled a little more in some places but still made them.

atekt

02-03-2009, 04:24 PM

Ill run it at a comp for ya :lol:

Just Zach

02-07-2009, 08:11 PM

Today was the first time I really got to drive this with the Bastard Jr chassis. It performs very well, one of the best shafties I've ever driven. Everyone who sees it is blow away by the steering throw. Its a climbing machine too. Some of the angles I was going up really surprised me. Its really incredible. Now if I could just get that turning radius with my berg:-( Anyway, here are some pics

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P2070369.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P2070360.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P2070361.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P2070364.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P2070365.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P2070368.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P2070372.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P2070375.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r276/bikingzac/More%20Crawlers/P2070378.jpg

atekt

02-08-2009, 10:39 AM

Looks pretty killer out on the rocks! Where were the pics taken?

Just Zach

02-08-2009, 12:18 PM

Looks pretty killer out on the rocks! Where were the pics taken?

Wendover Nevada

atekt

02-08-2009, 01:06 PM

Ahh at the comp, duh, my bad :lol:

ktmkurt

02-08-2009, 07:05 PM

Absolutely not:lol:

Like I've said, just wait until the wheels are here.8) The ugly wheels on it right now are taking so much away from it.

Do you wanna get rid of the Berg wheels? I like the way they look.

Also when you installed the Axial Tranny did you have to get different
drive lines? My Venom is the first Crawler for me. not quite up to speed
on all the jargen. What is meant by droop, sprung, half droop, etc.
Yeah I know, dang noobies.

Just Zach

02-08-2009, 07:15 PM

Do you wanna get rid of the Berg wheels? I like the way they look.

Also when you installed the Axial Tranny did you have to get different
drive lines? My Venom is the first Crawler for me. not quite up to speed
on all the jargen. What is meant by droop, sprung, half droop, etc.
Yeah I know, dang noobies.

The stock berg wheels are just not my style. When I changed it out I didn't have to change anything as far as drive lines, they just switch right up."thumbsup"

Droop would be with springs that pull the shocks down and they extend out instead of compressing in through the suspension travel.

Sprung would be standard shocks with springs on the outside.

50/50 would be how the Venom comes, with springs on the outside and inside so they travel both directions.

ktmkurt

02-08-2009, 07:19 PM

The stock berg wheels are just not my style. When I changed it out I didn't have to change anything as far as drive lines, they just switch right up."thumbsup"

Droop would be with springs that pull the shocks down and they extend out instead of compressing in through the suspension travel.

Sprung would be standard shocks with springs on the outside.

50/50 would be how the Venom comes, with springs on the outside and inside so they travel both directions.

Thanks for the quick reply, that makes since on the shocks. but do you
wanna get rid of the Berg wheels?

Mac10

02-08-2009, 08:14 PM

Just Zach

02-08-2009, 08:29 PM

I had a chance to see this thing yesterday and all I can say is WOW!

I am in love with that tuber, but the steering is insane!!!
I have never really looked at these crawlers and I was seriously impressed!"thumbsup"

I'm with you Mark, its an impressive little rig."thumbsup" In a way I wish I could could compete with it and be competetive but I just don't think I can hang in berg land with it:lol:

miniwheeler

02-12-2009, 10:21 PM

No doubt tubers own HCF (high cool factor) but with the current rules its hard to beat TVP and a lexan lid. How about an all tuber shootout "thumbsup"

Just Zach

02-13-2009, 06:15 AM

No doubt tubers own HCF (high cool factor) but with the current rules its hard to beat TVP and a lexan lid. How about an all tuber shootout "thumbsup"

That would be a good time. I've had several tubers, this is my favorite.

TheSCorpionKing

02-21-2009, 08:10 PM

Zach:

Have you tried fitting the venom knuckles onto the axial axles yet? U'n trying to find some knuckles for my axial that have a parallel setup like the venom has.

Just Zach

02-21-2009, 08:15 PM

Sorry, I never tried it and I just sold the Venom so I can't measure them.

TheSCorpionKing

02-21-2009, 09:59 PM

Sorry, I never tried it and I just sold the Venom so I can't measure them.

Bummer....

Just Zach

02-22-2009, 07:19 AM

Shafties and I don't get along when it comes to competing:ror:

ktmkurt

02-22-2009, 07:52 PM

Hey Zach,
Sorry you got rid of the Venom, but thanks
for getting one and showing us all the cool
mods you did to it. In the future I will be
doing alot of the mods you did to yours,
especially converting to an Axail tranny.
I hate how the stocker gets hung up.

Just Zach

02-22-2009, 07:58 PM

I love new stuff. Its just fun to see what's out there and what you can do with it.

In the end though, I have to say I'm very impressed with the Venom. Its a great kit and can go a long way. As far as shaft driven rigs its my current favorite.

I have a Losi on order though:twisted: More tinkering in store.

atekt

02-23-2009, 06:51 AM