The Redesigned AX10 BTA steering kit [Archive] - RCCrawler.com Bulletin Board

jetboat

02-01-2009, 04:35 PM

I am no longer accepting orders, this will be transitioned to another vendor soon

Tired of having your steering linkages hang up?
Want a better approach angle?
How would you like to mount your battery mounted on the axle?
Want front 4-link?

Introducing the redesign AX10 BTA steering kit. Now with a redesigned tie rod thats even stronger than before. Also, cooling slots have been added to help keep your servo from over heating in the middle of competition.

Made from 1/8" 6061 t6 Aluminum Now with a bead blasted look

$20 Shipped to your door (outside the lower 48 please PM first)
Paypal: (jshirley78@hotmail.com)

These have been tested with rc4wd,stock plastic axial, hot racing and Integy knuckles. You will be hard pressed to find a knuckle that it wont work with. (plastic knuckles are not recommended)

Update: Axial Aluminum knuckles are giving a mixed result. Some people have reported a loss in steering and a slight toe out condition. The problem appears to be "hit and miss" but, please be advised if you plan to use Axial Aluminum knuckles.

It is designed to be mounted in the inside hole on the knuckle. No mods are necessary but, by removing the material at the second hole, you will greatly increase the available steering.
The kit comes as shown in the picture, you will need to provide your own screws.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/jshirley78/IMG_0150.jpg
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=78927&stc=1&d=1224262142

addictedtonitro

02-01-2009, 07:20 PM

I'm down for 1. I'll send ya the $$ in a bit.

Evil Ernie

02-03-2009, 08:03 AM

paypal sent!!

looking forward to it

moabax

02-03-2009, 03:56 PM

What lipo is that, it fits great. May have to get one of these kits.

jetboat

02-04-2009, 05:06 AM

it is an e-flight 950mah 3s. Several other packs fit though.

wojin

02-04-2009, 06:15 AM

can you post a pic from the bottom?

jetboat

02-04-2009, 06:53 AM

can you post a pic from the bottom?

what piece are you looking for a picture of ? Here is a shot of the knuckle area (from a v2 but, nothing has changed in this area.)

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/jshirley78/IMG_2098.jpg

wojin

02-05-2009, 06:45 PM

tryin to figure out if it would work on my scaler, but i run the front shocks outside of the mounts and chassis and dont want to move them in. knuckles would hit

ecoli

02-06-2009, 10:39 AM

Nice product. Have you tried it with different shocks? I'm running Revo's and they're quite a bit larger in diameter. Not sure if the tierod would clear them or not.

jetboat

02-06-2009, 12:06 PM

Maxx Big Bores, ax10 stock, losi crawlers, rc4wd 90 and 100mm, WK. Those are the ones I have personally tested them with. I dont know of anyone that has used them with revo shocks. I have sold allot and have yet to have anyone tell me that the shocks hit, there is actually a decent amount of room between the maxx shocks and the tierod with the shocks mounted upside down. I would think worse case would be that you would need to run the shocks the "correct" direction.

HELLSUNICORN

02-07-2009, 05:55 PM

I am interested but I would like to have a little more info. How does the aluminum work without rod ends? Do you just keep the bolts loose to prevent binding? Please post more pictures if possible.

jetboat

02-08-2009, 07:04 AM

I am interested but I would like to have a little more info. How does the aluminum work without rod ends? Do you just keep the bolts loose to prevent binding? Please post more pictures if possible.

The best part of no rod ends... no wear slop. I normally tighten my bolts all the way down, then looen it up 1/4 turn and I dont have a problem. I can post up pictures from every angle... What would you like to see?

jetboat

02-10-2009, 06:24 AM

I tried to take pictures from every angle of an install v3 BTA. As you can see, when installed properly there is not rubbing or toe issues. This is a random sample that I pulled to insure fit. This one is still in the "raw" state, having not been brushed.

If there is an angle that I missed, feel free to request it.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/jshirley78/bta/IMG_2173.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/jshirley78/bta/IMG_2174.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/jshirley78/bta/IMG_2175.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/jshirley78/bta/IMG_2177.jpg

jetboat

02-10-2009, 06:25 AM

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/jshirley78/bta/IMG_2179.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/jshirley78/bta/IMG_2180.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/jshirley78/bta/IMG_2182.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/jshirley78/bta/IMG_2183.jpg

AKRCC

02-10-2009, 07:42 AM

Nice product. Have you tried it with different shocks? I'm running Revo's and they're quite a bit larger in diameter. Not sure if the tierod would clear them or not.

They do. Im running internals springs though. I can check when I get home if external springs clear for ya. "thumbsup"

Evil Ernie

02-15-2009, 06:18 AM

jetboat,

received ur package in the mail !!

regards
Evil Ernie

Coldnorth

02-16-2009, 04:44 PM

Ordered one of these through RPP; definitely excited about getting it. "thumbsup"

...Question: can I still use the 3-link in the front, or do I have to move to a 4-link?

jetboat

02-17-2009, 06:34 AM

you can still use the 3-link but you will need to modify the servo plate. I highly recommend you switch to 4-link.

Coldnorth

02-17-2009, 12:45 PM

you can still use the 4-link but you will need to modify the servo plate. I highly recommend you switch to 4-link.

I may have to just swap over - I've been meaning to; now I guess I'll have an excuse. "thumbsup"

addictedtonitro

02-21-2009, 08:20 PM

I finally got my rig together and was able to test out Jeff's bta......All I can say is WOW. I can't believe the diffrence it made in my approach. It is a major improvement for me.
I did not have 1 problem with it and I HIGHLY recommend one if your using axial axles!
Thanks Jeff!

Thorne_Dog

02-27-2009, 02:06 PM

How long does it usually take for you to ship these out? I sent you paypal on Monday, just curious.

jetboat

03-01-2009, 06:41 AM

Your Shipment went out wednesday (I was sick Tuesday otherwise it would have went out then.) I usually like to allow 1 1/2 weeks for shipping as the post office tends to be unpredictable at times.

Coldnorth

03-03-2009, 10:33 PM

Got it in the mail from RPP on Friday, and got it installed that day - it looks like the parts are now cast, rather than machined; is that the case?

Still tweaking to find the right servo arm and tie-rod setup and deciding how to deal with keeping the bolts tight enough to avoid slop while being loose enough to still pivot is a challenge... But the extra room and lack of rock-stickin' aluminum tie rod up front sure makes a heck of a difference. "thumbsup"

EDIT: I'm just reading the original thread (http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140241) and I think that will solve all my issues. Awesome. "thumbsup" "thumbsup"

jetboat

03-04-2009, 05:03 AM

parts are all milled, I will NEVER use cast aluminum in the manufacture of my parts.

Coldnorth

03-04-2009, 07:40 AM

parts are all milled, I will NEVER use cast aluminum in the manufacture of my parts.

Cool cool. "thumbsup" The finish just confused me, I guess; just took another peek, and I was definitely wrong. :roll:

addictedtonitro

03-06-2009, 08:45 AM

I think the vibration effect of the cleaning machines causes this cast looking effect.
As far as slop I did what Jeff said and tightened up all the way and backed off 1/4 to 1/2 turn. No slop and steers great.

GooSe_1977

03-06-2009, 02:57 PM

Has anyone tried this on an SCX10 or something similar ?

ROCKCAD

03-06-2009, 05:09 PM

try flanged pipe bushings like in your knuckles in tie rod.that way you can tighten bolt and have no slop or binding.

Got it in the mail from RPP on Friday, and got it installed that day - it looks like the parts are now cast, rather than machined; is that the case?

Still tweaking to find the right servo arm and tie-rod setup and deciding how to deal with keeping the bolts tight enough to avoid slop while being loose enough to still pivot is a challenge... But the extra room and lack of rock-stickin' aluminum tie rod up front sure makes a heck of a difference. "thumbsup"

EDIT: I'm just reading the original thread (http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140241) and I think that will solve all my issues. Awesome. "thumbsup" "thumbsup"

addictedtonitro

03-09-2009, 02:29 PM

Here's a pic of mine for potential buyers. I still swear by this thing. Best investment to my truck to date!
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb88/addictedtonitro/crawlin004-3.jpg
"thumbsup"

Hotrodblder

03-09-2009, 03:13 PM

You will be hard pressed to find a knuckle that it wont work with.

I was wondering if this kit will work with the CKRC High Steer Knuckles. I am looking to get rid of my front steering linkage and I already have these knuckles.

jetboat

03-10-2009, 06:10 AM

I was wondering if this kit will work with the CKRC High Steer Knuckles. I am looking to get rid of my front steering linkage and I already have these knuckles.

I have not tested it with a high steer setup. I THINK that it will work, you will just need to not use the spacers but, I cannot guarrentee it.

jetboat

03-10-2009, 06:12 AM

I am Temp out of stock, I expect to have some in 1 week.

jetboat

03-18-2009, 04:59 PM

They are back in stock and ready to ship.

I got a little crazy with the powder coating gun so, the next few will receive black tie rods at no extra charge. In the future powder coating will be extra.

trynacrawl

03-31-2009, 08:11 PM

I have an axial ax10 and have my lower links set on the OUTSIDE of the axle mounts (for better triangulation). Will it get in the way of the steering like that??

jetboat

04-01-2009, 05:10 AM

I would not recommend mounting your lower links outboard (with or without a BTA). It will limit your steering reatly to have them mounted outboard with this setup.

Zardoz

04-02-2009, 12:04 PM

jetboat, do you still have these in stock?

jetboat

04-02-2009, 12:51 PM

Just renewed my star so for at least the next year these will be in stock "thumbsup"

Whirlybird

04-10-2009, 12:10 AM

These will not work with the ckrc knuckles because they require a longer link. These are about 5mm short. I believe they will work fine with VP knuckles though.

Bubba73

04-12-2009, 03:28 PM

? You say you don't recomend using this with the stock plastic knuckles, i haven't upgraded these yet. Is this due to them being weak of what? I know the alluminum is better but just wondering?

jetboat

04-12-2009, 05:19 PM

They work just fine with plastic (my mud truck has plastic) The problem is, the stock plastic tend to be weak anyway, then when you put the slight extra torque on it that the BTA gives, your just asking for snaped knuckles.

Also, I know 1 person using ckrc knuckles, are you sure you set them up right?

Joshs4x4toyz

04-12-2009, 11:47 PM

Great kit! perfect fit went right together with my ckrc knuckles, thanks again

sgil2001

04-15-2009, 05:37 PM

payment sent ! Can't wait to get it.

Deluxe312

04-21-2009, 03:24 PM

Are these still available?

jetboat

04-22-2009, 04:59 AM

Latest batch is out in the parts cleaner as we speak! "thumbsup" No plan to discontinue them anytime soon.

I have started shipping on Tuesday and Thursday only. With the postage increase I may need to raise prices soon :-(.

Deluxe312

04-22-2009, 07:35 AM

Payment sent.

3.3 Over

04-27-2009, 05:39 PM

nice kit, paypal sent

jetboat

04-28-2009, 06:13 AM

I am VERY low on stock, I only have 2 standard kits left and I have a couple Red powder coated kits. Until I can restock I will sell the red kits at the normal $20 price. Just specify RED when you order if you want a red one.

jetboat

05-09-2009, 05:31 PM

I am fully restocked, just got 40 blanks in today, they will be ready for shipping tomorrow.

bajajam

05-09-2009, 09:36 PM

curious if mine shipped already.

jetboat

05-10-2009, 05:52 AM

curious if mine shipped already.

Without your email address I cant tell you exactly when it shipped but, all BTA's that were ordered, are shipped.

bajajam

05-10-2009, 03:12 PM

jdmichener@gmail.com

jetboat

05-10-2009, 03:41 PM

Paid on the 5th, shipped on the 6th. With the distance it has to travel, my guess you will see it Monday.

the kil

05-10-2009, 10:48 PM

i just ordered one of your bta's awesome stuff can't wait. im curious how these will work with rcp high clearance knuckles and clockable c's?

jetboat

05-11-2009, 06:34 AM

i just ordered one of your bta's awesome stuff can't wait. im curious how these will work with rcp high clearance knuckles and clockable c's?

Not sure anyone has tried but, you should (stress on should) be able to use the kit minus the spacers. I believe the high clearance knuckles raise the tie rod the same height as the spacers.

bigflex

05-11-2009, 06:44 AM

just ordered one a few minutes ago! Has anyone used this with the Vanquish knuckles? If not I guess I will be the guni pig. If so then how does it work? Good I am sure."thumbsup"

jetboat

05-12-2009, 09:54 AM

orders received over the last couple days are shipping in about 10 mins "thumbsup"

bigflex

05-12-2009, 10:03 AM

orders received over the last couple days are shipping in about 10 mins "thumbsup"Thanks for the update. I am looking forward to halling tail across the lake!:lol:

the kil

05-13-2009, 02:27 PM

Not sure anyone has tried but, you should (stress on should) be able to use the kit minus the spacers. I believe the high clearance knuckles raise the tie rod the same height as the spacers.

thanks for the info.:lol: can't wait

cruzer971

05-16-2009, 06:40 PM

just ordered one a few minutes ago! Has anyone used this with the Vanquish knuckles? If not I guess I will be the guni pig. If so then how does it work? Good I am sure."thumbsup"

Mine work perfecty with the Vanquish knuckles.

try flanged pipe bushings like in your knuckles in tie rod.that way you can tighten bolt and have no slop or binding.

X2 on the flanged knuckle bushings. No slop. Much better

the kil

05-21-2009, 10:36 AM

got mine thanks jetboat"thumbsup"

jetboat

05-25-2009, 01:07 PM

The parts to repair the mill came in and I am back in business! Feel free to place your orders for full kits and they will be processed and shipped "thumbsup"

John Crosthwait

05-25-2009, 07:33 PM

I love mine

jesusthepirate

06-04-2009, 04:50 PM

Are matching rear 4-link plates still available? I see on page 1 you highly recommend switching to 4-link instead of modifying the plate and sticking with 3-link... is that for simplicity's sake, or is 4-link "highly recommended" for both the front and the rear?

Is there a thread on installing your BTA kit? I have made zero modifications to my AX10's suspension so far, so this is a little intimidating.

These parts sound great and have gotten rave reviews as I can see from this thread and others. I'm definitely anxious to jump on board. I assume I just need to unbolt anything that seems to be in the way of your plate and bolt it on... then put rod ends instead of the v/y connector onto those upper links, and mount them to the plate?

I probably don't really need instructions, but a"needed parts" list would be great... I doubt that I'm going to have anywhere near all of the bits and pieces laying around so I've got to figure out what else I need.

jetboat

06-07-2009, 05:48 AM

you pretty much have the grasp of how it goes on, just unbolt and flip your c's/knuckles left to right and backward. Then you just need a couple nuts/bolts. I really cant tell you exactly what size though as different trucks seem to take different bolt lengths.

As for the 4-link, you pretty much just replace the rod ends. I do think I still have 4-link rear plates, havent had a request for them in a LONG time. 4-link has several benifits from better geometry to strength.

jesusthepirate

06-08-2009, 07:57 AM

I don't necessarily need my rear 4-link plate to match, but if you've got them I may as well pick them up at the same time, right?

How much are we looking at to get your normal BTA setup + the rear 4-link plate to my door?

Thanks!

jetboat

06-08-2009, 08:05 AM

BTA's are $20 shipped in the lower 48. Rear 4-links are $10 more

jesusthepirate

06-08-2009, 10:01 AM

BTA's are $20 shipped in the lower 48. Rear 4-links are $10 more

Sweet, just wanted to make sure. PP Sent.

abadk9420

06-11-2009, 03:06 PM

PayPal sent for one BTA steering kit"thumbsup"

aj6502

06-12-2009, 09:01 PM

Got mine installed. Works great"thumbsup" I don't miss having the steering link hang up on EVERYTHING.:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

KvilleKrawler

06-14-2009, 08:53 PM

I just sent you a $20 paypal payment for one to go with some VP knuckles. Looks awesome...

dickwart

06-21-2009, 08:23 AM

Can I get a measurement from the edge of the servo to the outer edge of the plate? Wanna see if my big 'ol battery will fit on there...

Thanks

D.W.

KvilleKrawler

06-22-2009, 10:13 PM

Just seeing if mine has shipped?

jetboat

06-23-2009, 12:01 PM

all the orders I have currently, have shipped.

I will get the measurements asap. I am in the middle of prepping for a big comp so all my sets are packed so it may take a day or 2 to get them.

abadk9420

06-24-2009, 01:21 AM

Before VP Knuckles using Axial aluminum knuckles

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn124/abadk9420/P1070236Small.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn124/abadk9420/P1070237Small.jpg

After with VP Knuckles, man what a difference it makes"thumbsup"

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn124/abadk9420/P1070300Small.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn124/abadk9420/P1070299Small.jpg

jetboat

06-24-2009, 05:02 AM

gets me how much less steering the axial knuckles have, even the stock plastic have more throw.

abadk9420

06-24-2009, 08:41 AM

gets me how much less steering the axial knuckles have, even the stock plastic have more throw.

It also seems to have Lost the toe out issue it was having with the Axial aluminum Knuckles"thumbsup"

jetboat

06-24-2009, 11:52 AM

jetboat

06-25-2009, 07:52 AM

All products purchased till right now will be shipped Today. Any products purchased from Now until 6/29 will ship on 6/30. No exceptions. I will be out of town to attend the Rock Xtreme comp. I also may be hard to reach via PM/Email/Thread during this same time frame.

robmob

06-25-2009, 09:03 AM

PP sent for one setup.

Thanks

R/CMaxximus5.0

06-25-2009, 03:50 PM

Got the bta yesterday"thumbsup" went in no prob. Nice product.

typeostyle

06-26-2009, 11:58 AM

pp sent for one set up and the rear plate as well....excited to try it out

KvilleKrawler

07-03-2009, 03:58 PM

Got mine, will install it tonight with VP knuckles. Thanks JetBoat"thumbsup"

KvilleKrawler

07-04-2009, 11:06 PM

Installed. WOW what a huge diffrence. Awesome design jetboat"thumbsup" Worth every penny... I have full steering to the point I had to set the EPA's back some so the dog bones wouldn't try to pop out of the stub shafts. I think I will be adding some axial cvd's soon.

This BTA combined with the overdrive gear set and a 3s lipo for throttle blipping, I may not even need a dig anymore.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/KvilleKrawler/AX-10%20Comp/BTA011.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/KvilleKrawler/AX-10%20Comp/BTA012.jpg

typeostyle

07-10-2009, 09:08 AM

i know you went to that comp is there any chance you sent mine out i have a comp on sunday and i'd love to rock your product there

wojin

07-10-2009, 11:00 AM

he might not be able to reply for a day or so, he is at a family function

jetboat

07-11-2009, 02:52 PM

typo... you need to fix the mailing address in your paypal.

Sorry I wasnt able to get back to you sooner, I have been away from internet service.

bjornsson

07-12-2009, 01:27 PM

Hi!
I wounder if you ship to Sweden?
if Yes, what wold the total cost be?

jetboat

07-29-2009, 11:22 AM

I only have a few more kits in stock..after these sell I WILL NOT REORDER

There will be no special orders, small runs etc. Unless another vendor steps up, you will no longer be able to purchase these kits. This is do to personal reasons and has nothing to do with quality,supply, or demand.

Once I drop to 5 kits on hand I will not accept anymore new orders via paypal, the final 5 kits will be limited to orders via PM. Once this time comes, I will post the information.

I appreciate all of the customers that have purchased from me and look forward to working with the RC Crawler community in other ways with potentially new products.

jetboat

08-06-2009, 06:35 AM

I have 1 kit left ready to mail... I will go thru boxes at home but, I think this may be the last 1 I will have. There is a pending deal to keep these available to the public but, paperwork isnt signed.

The next person to post here and send me a PM (along with payment) gets the kit. (likely the last kit I will have for sale)

Calgary Cummins

08-06-2009, 11:01 AM

Sold ,,you got PM

acrosteve

08-06-2009, 12:31 PM

Im just glad you are happy with it, I could tell in your PM's that you were getting frustrated (as was I). Either no-one using my kits uses Axial aluminum or else they don't mind the toe and steering loss.

Darn, too late.

I have the aluminum axials. Is the problem with the location of the hole, or the bend of the arm?

jetboat

08-06-2009, 12:38 PM

Darn, too late.

I have the aluminum axials. Is the problem with the location of the hole, or the bend of the arm?

I will check when I get home to make sure there are none left... I know there is a powder coated 1 but its red with a black tie rod.

As for the axial knuckle problem... not sure what the deal is, some work perfect, others have issues.

jetboat

08-06-2009, 04:02 PM

found 3 additional blanks, I will finish these Saturday and ship them out... 1 is accounted for to Acrosteve. Next 2 people to PM me and post will get the last 2 kits I have to sell. After they are gone, this thread will be deleted and they will no longer be available from me.