1 rig / 2 drivers

[drumbeater]

What is the ruling on 2 drivers using 1 rig? This has been asked a few times in our club.

[Fishmaxx]

The rules don't prevent it, and even if it did locally I would let a newb, kid, wife, or friends try their hand at crawling. To prevent the whiners from getting sand in their ...privates:shock:.....I would ask the better or more experienced driver go first.

If you want your club to grow I would encourage guests, and allow them to shared trucks at least for 1 or 2 comps "thumbsup"

[Rockcrawler]

The rules don't prevent it, and even if it did locally I would let a newb, kid, wife, or friends try their hand at crawling. To prevent the whiners from getting sand in their ...privates:shock:.....I would ask the better or more experienced driver go first.

If you want your club to grow I would encourage guests, and allow them to shared trucks at least for 1 or 2 comps "thumbsup"


I agree. "thumbsup"

[MommaBear]

I know that's how I got started"thumbsup"

[drumbeater]

That's the way I always did it but another club here doesn't allow it so I just wanted to make sure I did not make a mistake by letting it happen .

[4ONDFLR]

if only my club felt that way.... i bought my son an artr axial to go crawling with us and he really wants to comp but im sure most have read in my other posts my club doesnt run supers and the closest comp is 1.5 hours away and i asked them if we could both run the same truck in a comp so i didnt drive all that way to stand around but they told me no! each driver has to have their own truck! i hope one of them read this thread!"thumbsup"

[renoirbud]

I used to make everyone run their own stuff, but it was my error.

I think there is something in the scale rules that prevent people from sharing trucks.

[4ONDFLR]

i can kinda understand scale... but in my case its a pretty much stock artr and wouldnt even really be competitive with their $1000 comp rigs. i just didnt want to stand around, and my son is 9 and never comp'd so i think he would be a pushover. i have all my money wrapped up in my super with no one to compete with so i figured we could share til i can build another truck but they denied me on that so ill just wait til next year when i build mine i guess!:flipoff:

sorry for venting on your thread. its been on my mind for a while and then i saw the subject

[The Real Dogman]

Very sorry you were denied, and more sorry for the club that denied you!! It is always in the clubs best interest to allow guest drivers on other competitors rigs. In fact you illustrated the reason why by saying you will wait until next year when you can build one to run. Whos to say when next year rolls around your family's priorities dont change and you can no longer build anything. That club lost you as a valuable member who just might have something good to contribute.
I never could understand the mentality 1 truck 1 driver. I say let anyone else drive the same rig, after all we are scoring/judging the driver not the truck(except Scale of course).

Shame on that club!!

[Fishmaxx]

Very sorry you were denied, and more sorry for the club that denied you!! It is always in the clubs best interest to allow guest drivers on other competitors rigs. In fact you illustrated the reason why by saying you will wait until next year when you can build one to run. Whos to say when next year rolls around your family's priorities dont change and you can no longer build anything. That club lost you as a valuable member who just might have something good to contribute.
I never could understand the mentality 1 truck 1 driver. I say let anyone else drive the same rig, after all we are scoring/judging the driver not the truck(except Scale of course).

Shame on that club!!

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"thumbsup"

[4ONDFLR]

Very sorry you were denied, and more sorry for the club that denied you!! It is always in the clubs best interest to allow guest drivers on other competitors rigs. In fact you illustrated the reason why by saying you will wait until next year when you can build one to run. Whos to say when next year rolls around your family's priorities dont change and you can no longer build anything. That club lost you as a valuable member who just might have something good to contribute.
I never could understand the mentality 1 truck 1 driver. I say let anyone else drive the same rig, after all we are scoring/judging the driver not the truck(except Scale of course).

Shame on that club!!

thanks! maybe they will read this! its just aggrivating cuz i just got into crawling about a year bor so ago cuz i really liked the supers and now i cant run my super cuz theres none to run against and i spent $400 on a rig for a 9 yr old so he could partisipate with me and now that backfired! i am 0 for 2. guess ill use my $1000+ super for a backyard basher!"thumbsup"

[Fishmaxx]

thanks! maybe they will read this!

I hope they not only read this, but I would like to hear them defend their postion. Any club doing this at the local level is waaaaay off if they are wanting to grow their club.

We have 3 husband/wife combos competing in our area.....soon to be 4. Many of get together after the events for dinner. Sorry for the rant, but NOT letting a 9 year compete a couple times really blows my mind:idea:

[4ONDFLR]

they would let him compete.... but im the one driving the 2 hours to get there and i would have to stand around and watch. its worth it for me to drive to watch him but it would just make it soooo much better if we got to do it together. but i dont wanna sound like a whinny girl for posting about them (they will never let me comp again!)

[jetboat]

we have an unwritten rule, you can share trucks for a couple comps but after that we do ask that you have your own.

Excepton to that is if its an adult who is the "true" competitor and they are letting their kid drive. We do ask that the Adult go first so that they dont have an unfair advantage (although some of those kids can drive!). We have also been known to waive the entry fee for a kid to compete if their parent paid (entry fee events only of course) and we have also let a fee out of spec trucks slide.

It really is in the clubs best interest to let as many compete as possible. I can see them not wanting to do it if they run a points series but, in that instance they should consider only allowing 1 score to count.

[Greatscott]

I'm assuming you charge the entry fee for each driver, and not for just the truck?

[Tattoo John]

This sport is kick ass.:)

['04 Rubicon]

I hope they not only read this, but I would like to hear them defend their postion. Any club doing this at the local level is waaaaay off if they are wanting to grow their club.

We have 3 husband/wife combos competing in our area.....soon to be 4. Many of get together after the events for dinner. Sorry for the rant, but NOT letting a 9 year compete a couple times really blows my mind:idea:

Ok then. It was our club. We advised Mitchell of that based on an earlier decision in the series. It originated because we had two guys that wanted to share a rig. It was discussed by the club and agreed that it would be unfair to let one person watch and learn from the other guy and then compete with the same truck. Due to not letting them, we set precedence, be it wrong or right, the "ground rule" had been set. Therefore I felt I couldn't pick and choose who we let do this. It is a points series and the members didn't like two people sharing a truck. I understand that a father/young son pair is different than two grown men and that we possibly need to put such a stipulation in to allow that, which I will investigate. However, we in NO way will completely deny a child to run a rig.

Our club does a lot to accomodate and help everyone that we can in this hobby and grow the sport. I personally have donated much time, effort, and money into our club and to see others read things about it without the facts, well.... The way this topic has come up and now been misconstrued bothers me.

I think everyone needs to understand the situation before shaming a club.

[sddill]

I don't see how you guys think that one guy watching another compete and then running the same rig is an unfair advantage :roll::roll: What if 2 guys built identical trucks ?? Would that be unfair ???? :?:

[4ONDFLR]

Ok then. It was our club. We advised Mitchell of that based on an earlier decision in the series. It originated because we had two guys that wanted to share a rig. It was discussed by the club and agreed that it would be unfair to let one person watch and learn from the other guy and then compete with the same truck. Due to not letting them, we set precedence, be it wrong or right, the "ground rule" had been set. Therefore I felt I couldn't pick and choose who we let do this. It is a points series and the members didn't like two people sharing a truck. I understand that a father/young son pair is different than two grown men and that we possibly need to put such a stipulation in to allow that, which I will investigate. However, we in NO way will completely deny a child to run a rig.

Our club does a lot to accomodate and help everyone that we can in this hobby and grow the sport. I personally have donated much time, effort, and money into our club and to see others read things about it without the facts, well.... The way this topic has come up and now been misconstrued bothers me.

I think everyone needs to understand the situation before shaming a club.

i didnt post in here to start crap or talk crap about our club! i hope it wasnt taken that way. i think its an awesome club and i understand bout the point series. and i never said that you wouldnt let him run. i wasnt even trying to compete for points nor is he. we wanted to cuz we enjoy crawling! it gets him outside and away from video games. i coulkd care less about points in the 2.2 class. like i stated before i just wanted something to do so i didnt have to stand around all day. but ive just decided not to worry bout it and just let him do his thing. maybe i can help judge or somethin. thats if im even welcome back.... apparently this has been taken for more than it was and i pissed people off. if i did i appologise.

[Fishmaxx]

Ok then. It was our club. We advised Mitchell of that based on an earlier decision in the series. It originated because we had two guys that wanted to share a rig. It was discussed by the club and agreed that it would be unfair to let one person watch and learn from the other guy and then compete with the same truck. Due to not letting them, we set precedence, be it wrong or right, the "ground rule" had been set. Therefore I felt I couldn't pick and choose who we let do this. It is a points series and the members didn't like two people sharing a truck. I understand that a father/young son pair is different than two grown men and that we possibly need to put such a stipulation in to allow that, which I will investigate. However, we in NO way will completely deny a child to run a rig.

Our club does a lot to accomodate and help everyone that we can in this hobby and grow the sport. I personally have donated much time, effort, and money into our club and to see others read things about it without the facts, well.... The way this topic has come up and now been misconstrued bothers me.

I think everyone needs to understand the situation before shaming a club.

Regardless of the reason you put the rule in the net effect was a 9 year old was not allowed to experience competitive crawling. The only way your club would have been misrepresented was if that wasn't a rule, and clearly it was. '04 and the other VACOR guys I have met are GREAT guys, and it wasn't my intention to make them look like bad guys. I do however disagree with their decision.


I don't see how you guys think that one guy watching another compete and then running the same rig is an unfair advantage :roll::roll: What if 2 guys built identical trucks ?? Would that be unfair ???? :?:

Ditto....I know several guys that drive identical trucks, so I guess we need to start handing out blind folds for those guys:roll:

[kasper]

they would let him compete.... but im the one driving the 2 hours to get there and i would have to stand around and watch. its worth it for me to drive to watch him but it would just make it soooo much better if we got to do it together. but i dont wanna sound like a whinny girl for posting about them (they will never let me comp again!)
I agree more then one should be asble to compete with the same crawler but take the kid he is well worth the 2 hour drive even if you stand around all day the kid will be more willing to come to you with his issues later in life just take the kid to the comp regardless.

['04 Rubicon]

i didnt post in here to start crap or talk crap about our club! i hope it wasnt taken that way. i think its an awesome club and i understand bout the point series. and i never said that you wouldnt let him run. i wasnt even trying to compete for points nor is he. we wanted to cuz we enjoy crawling! it gets him outside and away from video games. i coulkd care less about points in the 2.2 class. like i stated before i just wanted something to do so i didnt have to stand around all day. but ive just decided not to worry bout it and just let him do his thing. maybe i can help judge or somethin. thats if im even welcome back.... apparently this has been taken for more than it was and i pissed people off. if i did i appologise.

No hard feelings at all, I know your not trying to start anything. And please don't think you would not be welcome because of a little old post on RCC. You and Bryce are always welcome and I look forward to meeting your son.

The only issue I took was the fact that some people may look at our club negatively based on this thread, but it was a collective decision at the time, which can be changed to allow exceptions.

Hoping to see both of you at the Money Run on the 22nd. And if you both want to compete, I'm sure we can make that happen. Thanks.

Regardless of the reason you put the rule in the net effect was a 9 year old was not allowed to experience competitive crawling. The only way your club would have been misrepresented was if that wasn't a rule, and clearly it was. '04 and the other VACOR guys I have met are GREAT guys, and it wasn't my intention to make them look like bad guys. I do however disagree with their decision.

The 9 y/o was allowed to compete, his dad was not. He asked if he could drive in addition to his son, not the other way around. Regardless, we need to change it, and will.

[4ONDFLR]

just so there is no more confusion. my posts were because i was confused about a rule. it in no part meant to bring any negativity to my club! they are great! and i planned on taking him to run. like i said i can help do something else.

and i will bring the super so some of the guys that have never seen one can check it out"thumbsup" maybe spike some popularity so i have someone to compete with and stop all my B*^#@in!;)

[The Real Dogman]

Well, I do not agree with that decision and it needs to be looked at in more depth. I understand about being very careful not to give a points contender an unfair advantage, but dont all of your points drivers watch what the other drivers are doing on course and doesn't that give them an advantage on their later runs. Sharing a truck is irrelevent as far as I can see becuase the 2 sharing the same rig are going to drive it differently and I would bet one will drive it better than the other(laws of nature) and just because they are sharing a rig does not seem to give either an advantage over the others, as I have said earlier aren't you judging the driver and not the rig?? I only offered shame to your club because you have in effect alienated any potential new members with this rule/presidence. I could offer that anyone NOT in the points chase could share rigs. This would encourage all newbs to try it out!!

No hard feelings meant, and I always encourage a good discussion about club policies to improve EVERYONE'S experience..

Lee

[ripper7777777]

I'm kinda lost myself, I'm not seeing any advantage to sharing trucks, I mean all of our drivers watch the other drivers compete and well it sucks to go first.

I'm not trying to knock you alls decision or club just trying to see why you all ruled that way, to me it would be fair if 20 people all shared the same truck, as long as that damn number 15 didn't break it. I mean sharing the truck is as level a playing field as it gets.

Sure it would be more fair overall if the rest of the competitors did not watch the course being ran, but that still has nothing to do with sharing the truck. The only issue I see is the truck gets a test pilot. So making setup changes between drivers maybe an issue.


I do respect the fact you all were enforcing a previous rule, sometimes it sucks to be in charge.


We will let anyone run anything, we run 4 scale classes along with USRCCA and even if you aren't in a class or USRCCA legal we will let you run, you just won't qualify for the season point series, but we will still score you, it gives people a chance to try things out and see if they want to really compete. It's a Hobby, Fun has to be the priority.

[dpdsurf]

I can only think of one possible reason for not allowaing this, 2 girls / 1 cup. :lol: Sorry, the thread title has been killing me. :)

Let them compete, especially kids. These are toys for all to have fun with and be able to participate. I would encourage them getting their own rigs if they started placing well on a consistent basis.

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

I'll go 1st ,I'm not scared.

[BigB_117]

Seems to me that if you're running a point series and you don't want someone having an "advantage" by watching their truck run, make it clear that only one driver's point's will count for the series and have that driver run first before the friend/kid/wife/dog etc.

At our local point series comps tons of the drivers aren't even in the points series, they're just driving for fun.

[Fishmaxx]

Seems to me that if you're running a point series and you don't want someone having an "advantage" by watching their truck run, make it clear that only one driver's point's will count for the series and have that driver run first before the friend/kid/wife/dog etc.

At our local point series comps tons of the drivers aren't even in the points series, they're just driving for fun.


Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a winner!

[Crawlin4fun]

in todays economy if two grown men, teenagers, brothers, sisters, kids, or any 2 people could split the cost of a rig and share it at the comps you would be bringing in 2 competitors instead of none. It would make it alot easier to be able to fund a comp rig in these tough economic times if you only had to pay for half of it.

and if any other competitor in the points series thinks there is an unfair advantage to the second competitor then the second driver will not be allowed to watch the first driver and the first driver will not be allowed to coach the second. and both drivers would then be allowed to score points.

[Culetto]

Its the clubs call but i would want everyone who wants to try to be able too.

One solution we have had at a couple of our past events is someone brought their backup rig and we drug spectators in on it. While this wouldnt work for weekly competitors it works great for letting someone (kid, spouse, bondage partner) try their hand at it. As a club im sure everyone has some parts laying around at home. Get everyone together, donate some parts, drink some beer, and build up a demo rig. I would bet $20 bucks theres at least 10 sets of TLTs laying in a box unused at ANY club.

Throw together a competitive shafty, paint a body up in your clubs colors, grab an old radio and get everyone involved.

Now that ive thought about this im going to beat you all out and build a Demo MOA out of some old HR axles. Time to start a demo rig show off thread! "thumbsup"

(edit: and dont worry if they break it. its a demo rig thats what its for.)

[azfabguy]

my son and i will be sharing a rig at our first comp. i know my son is excited about it. we are planning a second rig now.

[JeremyH]

One solution we have had at a couple of our past events is someone brought their backup rig and we drug spectators in on it. While this wouldnt work for weekly competitors it works great for letting someone (kid, spouse, bondage partner) try their hand at it. As a club im sure everyone has some parts laying around at home. Get everyone together, donate some parts, drink some beer, and build up a demo rig.
This is exactly what our club has done. One of our members built a "whore" truck. Anyone that wants to run it, will have their chance....doesnt matter who you are. He brought it out for the first time this past weekend at our comp and it was a HIT!"thumbsup"

[JPH Racing]

I see one of our local clubs has this rule in effect: "2 different people cannot run the same truck in one event."

I believe they do it to keep the turnouts lowers? But they enforce it.

[Tanis]

My daughter and I shared her truck for a year at competitions, before I was able to afford building my own. It got us both involved, and neither one of us had any intent on going to Nationals at the time.

One of the issues with having 2 top drivers in the points sharing a truck, is the second driver gets a definite advantage(even more so than just watching somebody else run), since they can see EXACTLY what the rig does and how it reacts to the obstacles, and adjust their run or take the identical line. If 2 top drivers build the same truck, I would say that is different, since it would be unlikely the trucks would be 100% identical or even drive exactly the same, for instance, the shocks may react slightly different, the rodends might have a little more bind in them, the motor may not react to trigger input the same, etc...so in effect if you took both rigs up the same line, they may react differently, but if you take the same rig up the same line twice, it's going to do exactly the same thing(theoretically of course):-P.

We let people share rigs at our comps, but let them know it is a temporary thing, if they want to be in the points series."thumbsup"
Not everyone competes to win the series, a lot of people do it just for plain ol' fun.

[joesbruiser]

I personally see nothing wrong with two people sharing trucks at local events.Now at the big events like Nationals,Midwest,Etc..... I think everyone should have there own truck



I would say that is different, since it would be unlikely the trucks would be 100% identical or even drive exactly the same, for instance, the shocks may react slightly different, the rod ends might have a little more bind in them, the motor may not react to trigger input the same, etc...so in effect if you took both rigs up the same line, they may react differently, but if you take the same rig up the same line twice, it's going to do exactly the same thing(theoretically of course):-P.

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Thought this comment was interesting.And I completely agree.
When the wife was building her rig she copied mine 100% and it was a completely different animal.Every part was the same and yet drove nothing Like mine.There was so much difference that I tore my truck back apart to try to find the difference and could not. WTF???????