Question for Axial (seriously)

[exesivefire]

I know why the choice was made to use the standard AX-10 axles in the new kit. Well I assume I know anyway...

But what are the chances that if the kit turns out to spark enough interest, you guys release a slightly narrower axle in the future?

I prefer running your axles over TLT's due to durability, and the ease of getting replacement parts. But cant quite ditch the TLT's yet due to the width on some of my builds.

I think I recall reading a post where it was considered, just wondering how much of a pipe dream it really is?

[jimbiss]

I agree, narrower would be a nice option. I run you axles for durability also.

[2JSC]

All they would need to do is make smaller housings and shafts. Not a whole new axle.

[willipmartinni]

and tlt's look stupid listen up axial, we know you more than capable, and listening so do it do it

[cooterwrenchen]

i agree as well maybe with a bolt on portal that would bring u out to the regular axle housing that would be so sick

[NeXt559]

how bout coming out w/ a narrow offset wheel

you should be able to get the track width narower by a good 3/4 in

[exesivefire]

how bout coming out w/ a narrow offset wheel

you should be able to get the track width narower by a good 3/4 in

they did that on this kit, they made narrower hexes and ran the offset as low as they could go. problem is, I have already been doing that.

a TLT width, MAYBE a hair narrower would really do wonders, we have option to go wider to match the track width we need, but you cant go narrower if needed..

[Robbob]

if they went narrower axles though for the existing truck its gonna throw other things off I would think.

frame width, shock mounting/angles ....... virtually have to redesign more then just axles.

[dezfan]

if they went narrower axles though for the existing truck its gonna throw other things off I would think.

frame width, shock mounting/angles ....... virtually have to redesign more then just axles.

If they were to sell a "kit" which included narrower axle housings and shorter shafts, crawlers would do what they have done since the start, they would make it work.

I would love to have a set of narrower axles.

[Mad Scientist]

if they went narrower axles though for the existing truck its gonna throw other things off I would think.

frame width, shock mounting/angles ....... virtually have to redesign more then just axles.

If they were to sell a "kit" which included narrower axle housings and shorter shafts, crawlers would do what they have done since the start, they would make it work.

I would love to have a set of narrower axles.

Exactly. It isn't that the Scorpion needs narrower axles, it's the fact that some custom builders want narrower axles for thier other projects. Instead of turning to outdated and sometimes hard-to-find parts, a narrow case and axle kit would bring with it all the benefits of the Axial design and parts support.

[exesivefire]

Exactly. It isn't that the Scorpion needs narrower axles, it's the fact that some custom builders want narrower axles for thier other projects. Instead of turning to outdated and sometimes hard-to-find parts, a narrow case and axle kit would bring with it all the benefits of the Axial design and parts support.

BINGO!

Leave the kit be, I just want to buy axles, and make my own stuff..

[Katan]

I like the idea of the narrow axle kit. They should also make the case more scale looking and make it leaf spring compatible. It would also be nice if they would use the Tamiya dimensions on the leaf spring mounts to introduce some sort of standard leaf mount dimensions, just like 1.9" wheels and 12mm hex etc...

If Axial aren't up for it, I certainly am. It was already on my todo list ;-)

[cato]

I'm sure the COST of re-tooling everything for the few that want narrower axels, would be astrinomical:!:

[dezfan]

I'm sure the COST of re-tooling everything for the few that want narrower axels, would be astrinomical:!:

That's what they said about the ring and pinions too.;-)

IMO, scale is now really starting to grow, w/ the release of the SCX, it's only going to get bigger.

[TwistedXT]

I'm sure the COST of re-tooling everything for the few that want narrower axels, would be astrinomical:!:

dang.. beat me too it!


whats the term? "its easier said then done"

this may be a good oportunity for aftermarket to step up on a narrow housing kit. anyone.. .anyone....

[sierradmax]

With the right hex and wheel, you can get a narrow stance. I got an axle set to 8 3/8", wheel to wheel.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b294/sierradmax/scale%20rescue/DSCN0229.jpg

[John82601]

You're close in width but I still can't build a 1.9 comp rig using Axial axles.

2.4.2 - Vehicle track width is limited to a maximum of 8 inches.

I'm planning out my 1.9 on paper and would really love to use Axial axles but I'm probably going to use TLT's due to width.

[Katan]

dang.. beat me too it!

this may be a good oportunity for aftermarket to step up on a narrow housing kit. anyone.. .anyone....

Like I said, its on my list.

I would still like to hear what Axial have to say about the possibility of a factory kit?

[sloppy]

I'm sure the COST of re-tooling everything for the few that want narrower axels, would be astrinomical:!:
yeah right take a look in the scale section how many pages of scale builds are there??? how many 1.9 trucks would switch to axials from TLT's.. throw that BS cost thing out the window... 10 grand for a new axle case mold and one new axle side is not a huge cost... based on the current scale market..

axial is doing what all companys do trying to recycle parts to ride a segment of the hobby.. they should have made the right axle for the new 1.9 thing..

[ZUKMAN]

The rear axle could be made narrow really easy by just narrowing the straight axle adapters and shortening the shafts. Any aftermarket company could do this easily. I have plans to narrow a set of axles for 1 of my builds. You could also build a c hub with 1 side of the lower link mount on it and cut the axle housing short, then bolt up the new c hub and run cut down axles. Why someone after market hasn't done this is beyond me.

[Chr!s]

You're close in width but I still can't build a 1.9 comp rig using Axial axles.

2.4.2 - Vehicle track width is limited to a maximum of 8 inches.

I'm planning out my 1.9 on paper and would really love to use Axial axles but I'm probably going to use TLT's due to width.

The fact they released it without making it 1.9 comp legal stinks anyway.

Massive missed opportunity on Axial's part. Axle width is the one reason I won't buy the kit, the axles do not fit scale body choices.


Edit : From what I have seen, the rims could have more offset aswell. Anyone tried the real deep offset HPI rims on a AX-10 axle?

[cato]

You're close in width but I still can't build a 1.9 comp rig using Axial axles.

2.4.2 - Vehicle track width is limited to a maximum of 8 inches.

I'm planning out my 1.9 on paper and would really love to use Axial axles but I'm probably going to use TLT's due to width.

HMMMM..was there a 1.9 "COMP" class, when the axels were made:shock:?

yeah right take a look in the scale section how many pages of scale builds are there??? how many 1.9 trucks would switch to axials from TLT's.. throw that BS cost thing out the window... 10 grand for a new axle case mold and one new axle side is not a huge cost... based on the current scale market..

axial is doing what all companys do trying to recycle parts to ride a segment of the hobby.. they should have made the right axle for the new 1.9 thing..

Pony up with the cash, and I'm sure they'ld do it fo you. BTW, where did you get that $# ? Have you ever done it? And why would they make a new axel for a rig, that happens to run 1.9 rims but can handle 2.2?

[exesivefire]

Were getting kinda off track here..

Let Axial figure out the numbers, I just want to know if its on the list of possibles..

[1BadJeepBruiser]

I have to agree with Andy here, I like my axials for the durability but for most of the builds I am doing I need a nice narrow axle. I just recently swapped out the axials on my FJ-45 to TLTs because the axials were just to wide and that was with running Hummer wheels.

Its a lot easier to widen the axials then it is to narrow them...everyone has the option of running a widener but not everyone has the skill/machine shop or whatever it may be to narrow the axles themselves.

With axials
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/ihaveabruiser/FJ-45/fj-45002.jpg

With TLTs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/ihaveabruiser/FJ-45/fj-45003-3.jpg

[BigSki]

The rear axle could be made narrow really easy by just narrowing the straight axle adapters and shortening the shafts. Any aftermarket company could do this easily. I have plans to narrow a set of axles for 1 of my builds. You could also build a c hub with 1 side of the lower link mount on it and cut the axle housing short, then bolt up the new c hub and run cut down axles. Why someone after market hasn't done this is beyond me.


hmm, using that idea, why not make a shorter 'C', knuckle and axle shafts and leave the housings the way they are? I think it could work, and it could be done completely via an aftermarket company that already makes those kind of parts, like STRC or Junfac.

[BigSki]

You're close in width but I still can't build a 1.9 comp rig using Axial axles.

2.4.2 - Vehicle track width is limited to a maximum of 8 inches.

I'm planning out my 1.9 on paper and would really love to use Axial axles but I'm probably going to use TLT's due to width.


this just ruined my 1.9 scale comp plans.. I'm using a K2-5 chassis with TLT axles. I just measured the track width, and I'm at 8-5/8". That's using the narrow hexs for the MIP axles and using the shallow offset on the CAC wheels to get them as close to the body as possible.


How does someone get track width down to 8" using TLT axles?

[701 Technique]

Great thread excesivefire, I think that if Axial reads this thread they would definitely see the reasons why this is a good idea. TLT axles were recently re-released and have probably sold a ton, but who knows how long before they are discontinued again?

[WRXronald]

great thread,

can't say i agree more completely!

I have been searching and wanting narrower axles.

Don't like trying to hack up the tlt's to get 'em shorter. No drill press, have to get C's.

I would certainly be interested in buying if Axial came out with a set of narrows.

Agree this is about only thing that prevents me from picking up the kit. That and the plain lookin' shocks.

Scale is a great place to be these days, especially if you make doin' it right easy.

[sloppy]

HMMMM..was there a 1.9 "COMP" class, when the axels were made:shock:?



Pony up with the cash, and I'm sure they'ld do it fo you. BTW, where did you get that $# ? Have you ever done it? And why would they make a new axel for a rig, that happens to run 1.9 rims but can handle 2.2?


you know the good thing about people like you... they bump the thread up to the top and at some point the manufactures look at it, skip your useless post and look at all the ones from people who said hey do this will buy and it and they do.. thanks "thumbsup"

[John82601]

HMMMM..was there a 1.9 "COMP" class, when the axels were made:shock:?


There was when this 1.9 truck was released.

One thought would be for Axial to shorten one side of the housing. Run an offset pumpkin that would be inline with the offset output of the transmission and still have the servo mounted on the long side. It might look a little hokey depending on what body you use but some of the 1:1 guys are running offset pumpkins.

[eron]

Excellent thread! I think the majority of us would rather have nice, narrow, scale axles. I know I would. We have the option of wide for sure! WheelyKing caugh caugh....

I think the axial axles are half way between every other axle made. There wider than TLT's, shorter than WK's. This could be why there the size they are.

I also agree 100% on the offset option. This would be awesome for comp trucks, as there will be more clearance in the center. I do think that companies focus more on strengthining the wrong areas. Such as axial (I'm NOT bashing on them) The strong area is the axle cases, and the weak in the C's and knuckles. I believe, axial could have removed allot of material on the case that could allow us more clearance under the axle. and more beef to the axle c's and knuckles. Yet, this is not my place to tell them what to do, just my opinion. I say this because, if they are to make us narrower axles, we might aswell tell axial our opinions and try to come up with the "ultimate" axle. Scale, offset, narrow, strong, and conveniant.

Scale axles can result in more "competative" axles. narrower; clearing gates, tires under wheel wells, skinnyer; better chance of clearing a gate, more scale; offset, scaler (passenger drop; driver drop) , more head on clearance. Also, a smaller ring gear(rack and pinion; ring and pinion) would be nicer in result of smaller axles. More clearance, more scale. We have plenty of reduction in our transmissions, I think a smaller ring gear would not make much of a difference. Also, Have the lower link, and shock mouts separate. The design of the single bolt causes allot of our shocks and links to "binde" and not clear proporly.

Now, i'm pointing out my idea of an ultimate axle, not saying that i dislike axial axles. I absolutely love them, and will be my #1 for a long time. Thanks Axial!

[WRXronald]

There was when this 1.9 truck was released.

One thought would be for Axial to shorten one side of the housing. Run an offset pumpkin that would be inline with the offset output of the transmission and still have the servo mounted on the long side. It might look a little hokey depending on what body you use but some of the 1:1 guys are running offset pumpkins.

fine by me, just do whatever to get these darn things under my King Blackfoot ford hard body... even the TLT's are a bit wide for this body.

[STANG KILLA SS]

BINGO!

Leave the kit be, I just want to buy axles, and make my own stuff..

id buy a set. kit form, axles only. say .1"-.2" narrower than TLTs

[dirk379]

id buy a set. kit form, axles only. say .1"-.2" narrower than TLTs

Yup, i agree. I also thought the same thing as exesivefire's first post, that's why i haven't bought the kit.
Heck, they could use this as their 1.9 comp axle as well.

[Just Zach]

I agree 100% with those who aren't trying to kill this thread:roll:. Anyone who wants a width that is narrower than 8 3/4" (realistic with narrow tires, narrow hexes, and fairly narrow wheels) have to run TLT axles or modify something else. Half and inch narrower than that is a huge difference when trying to make a body look scale. 1" would be incredible. There are only a handful of bodies that look alright with a 8 3/4" width.

Axial's steering is better than tlt, parts availability is much better than tlt, and the strength is much better.

I hope I'm wrong but I am very doubtful that Axial with make these. I do hope though that someone else would take the oportunity to do so"thumbsup"

[exesivefire]

The only reason I even asked, was that I recall them mentioning it was a thought quite some time back...

I want to see just how big of a thought, because I honestly would love to ditch the TLTs

[mississippirocs]

Didn't someone mention that Axial is supposed to be releasing a 1/18 1.9 Crawler for the 1.9 class? If so, it would more that likely have a narrower axle that shared the Diff parts, C's, Knuckles, Etc with its big brother 1/10 axle to save on tooling costs. I wish someone from Axial would chime in and give us a heads up. I would love to have 2-3 sets of these for scale builds with the 1/12? ChevySS bodies and the Clodbuster bodies.

[bigflex]

I totaly agree as well. It would be the best thing sence sliced bread. Axial durability and scale width."thumbsup" As long as there 8" or less. Like already said we can always add wideners so if they were about 7.5" with 0 offset wheels it would be awsome.;-)

[exesivefire]

they don't have to loose much really...

TLT width, maybe a hair narrower seems to be a good size...

The Losi's are almost to small for me, I'm not sure what it is, but I just trust my Axial axles more, and would love to see a narrower axle set sold seperatly for builders...

I don't know if that is even a profitable move for them, but I would like to know their thoughts..

[ae racer]

i would def buy a scale kit if they came out with one with a narrow axile... def want to build a clod and ss silverado scalers

[Terminator13]

I would more then be happy to buy a set if not more. The axials are way to wide for 1.9 scale builds, so anything narrow (TLT, maybe a hair narrower. Nothing as narrow as the MRC though) Woulld be great.

[motorman1600]

I narrowed a set down to what I needed. It took some time, but works great.http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131317&highlight=narrowed+axial

[STEEL_CITY_CRAWLER]

narrow axial axles for scale builds would be nice, and really, if they kept one axle shaft the stock length, and made a narrowing kit with a new short shaft, they could easily do an offset pumpkin, too....

[JP98]

motorman1600 your narrowed axles are great. Inspired me to try it, hope I don't screw mine up too bad. :)

If you have more pictures of the process that would be great!

[2500hdon37s]

i agree axial its easy all they have to do is make smaller housing and shorter dog bones/ cvds and its that simple!

[Katan]

I have looked at doing a narrow version of these axles but decided against it because of the size of the ring gear. They size of the pumpkin would look completely out of proportion. I think Axial should make a completely new smaller scale axle with smaller internals to keep the proportions relatively sensible.