Culetto's Bully Havoc

[Culetto]

I was already running the prototype Havoc when i was asked to join the JPCustomRC's team. This build is the Production Version Havoc chassis which only has a few minor changes from the prototype.

Build List:
JP Custom RC's Havoc chassis
RC4WD Bully Comp Axles (yes i still love mine and ill clown wheel all over your ass, LOL)
Leaky Losi 4inch crawler shocks
55t Integy Motors (Soon to be replaced with a pair of Warrior 2's)
Vanquish DH Pro Comp's
Twin CC Sidewinder ESC's
CC BEC (7.0v)
Nomadio Sensor

(Sorry for the bad pictures, all camera phone)

The production havoc is on the top. As you can see the changes were minor and based on the rear end of the chassis. Its a little shorter to accomidate larger gearboxes and run a much wider variety of shocks.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3543/3380808990_9a98c43abc.jpg

The basic chassis is a typical TVP. Nothing difficult. The skid is from my prototype and is a standard 2 incher, the lower arms are Kamikaze.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3650/3379990815_f356d5f1f1.jpg

The chassis will fit the rear axle in the normal orientation but i like it reversed for the clearance. To start im going to use these Leaky Losi's. I love how smooth they are but i hate wiping the oil off my axles after every course, lol. Again no drama here, the rear end just bolts right up. The rear link mounts on the bullies are one hole down, two holes up, with the shocks mounted in the upper holes. For the top of the shocks i started with the top row, innermost holes. I have no limiters in these shocks atm so the are full length and i wanted the truck as low as possible.
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The front axle was just as simple. Bolt it right on, no mess, no drama. (ignore the red velcro from my old body mounts). The links for the torsion front end are 55mm delrin with traxxas revo ends. At the moment i have a 5995tg in for steering because my 5990 robot servo is out for repair. The steering and drag links are all custom stainless. Again the link/shock mounts are in the one down, two up configuration with the upper torsion links in the uppermost holes at the axle and the very end holes on the chassis.
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A little rummaging through my girlfriends nail polish and i found orange flourescent. Gotta represent!
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to be continued .... "thumbsup"

[run2jeepn]

Good Start.... I've got my Rear axle the other way, but you have been liking yours flipped so well... I might end up switching it.

[Culetto]

ok now that the axles are on and the links are done....

wheelbase check .... JACKPOT!
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I run all my electronics as modular as possible. My esc's, reciever, and BEC are all on this little tray. Its just a scrap piece of lexan about 1 7/8th wide. The electronics are mounted with velcro and two servo mounting blocks to secure it to the chassis.
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I think this is going to be too much articulation for my style of driving. I might have to limit the shocks or switch to a shorter overall shock.
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I have to figure out a body on this build.

[the3kid]

Nice...I have to say that MOA are starting to grab my interest...axial version, because the clod axles just don't do it for me anymore. I like that chassis...all delrin right?

[binaryterror]

To start im going to use these Leaky Losi's. I love how smooth they are but i hate wiping the oil off my axles after every course, lol.

To help, rebuild them and put a liberal coating of Associated Green Slime on the o-rings in the cartridge. This helps seal them up more. Still not perfect, but alot better.

[Culetto]

Good Start.... I've got my Rear axle the other way, but you have been liking yours flipped so well... I might end up switching it.

Its cool. I like the clearance in front of the axle and i havent really seen any downside to it.

Nice...I have to say that MOA are starting to grab my interest...axial version, because the clod axles just don't do it for me anymore. I like that chassis...all delrin right?

There are lots of choices in MOA axles now. Even the 'miniclod' tubes make them narrow and viable. Yes, the chassis is all delrin.

To help, rebuild them and put a liberal coating of Associated Green Slime on the o-rings in the cartridge. This helps seal them up more. Still not perfect, but alot better.

I'll give that a shot. Im already thinking about switching them out to something shorter.

[run2jeepn]

Its cool. I like the clearance in front of the axle and i havent really seen any downside to it.


With running the shorter Losi tires... You might find the downside. Sometimes when backing up you will hit it, or on step inclines it might drag. The bigger tires allow much better angles.

[Culetto]

With running the shorter Losi tires... You might find the downside. Sometimes when backing up you will hit it, or on step inclines it might drag. The bigger tires allow much better angles.

Ya i found it today. We did some test-n-tune at a new site (pics up in a little while) and i landed on the rear motor and jammed the gear mesh so tight it wouldnt turn, lol. Ill be looking into flipping it until the new losi comp crawlers come out. All in all it did very well. Ran a few lines that the other rigs couldnt today. Ill put up a full review in a little while once i have the pictures. "thumbsup"

[dezfan]

Looks good! Now if you just had some Panthers!;-):):twisted:

[Culetto]

Looks good! Now if you just had some Panthers!;-):):twisted:

Im going to try a set soon. One of the local guys is going to set me up so i can try them. "thumbsup"

[Culetto]

As mentioned we did a little testing today. I switched out to some short kyosho shocks that were on my prototype to give me more of a baseline on the front. The balance is RIGHT where i want it, just need to get about a half inch more articulation out of it and ill be all set but it carries perfectly. I'm going to have some setup sheets up later tonight for those who are just getting their Havoc in the mail.

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And one more shot just to show you how we get down at test-n-tune when the crawler packs are dead. 16.8v in the Summit about 15 feet from the edge to the bottom of the wash.:shock:
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Big thanks to Dieselfuel for the pics. Hes epic with that Nikon"thumbsup"

[run2jeepn]

Nice Pic's... Whats your Ground clearance under the Skid?

[underagecrawler]

nice flex

[Culetto]

Nice Pic's... Whats your Ground clearance under the Skid?

2.8 inches with the losi's

[run2jeepn]

2.8 inches with the losi's

Sounds about right with Losi's... Mine with Chisels is 3-1/8in and with X-Locks it's 3-1/4in...


As soon as I get some Comp Claws in... I'll let you know."thumbsup"

[run2jeepn]

Painted my JP's in with Silver...
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d133/run2jeepn/1238040643.jpg

[k9popo]

Nice Culleto those pics are INSANE what motors are you running???

Im going to build up a havok later this year"thumbsup"

[k9popo]

Looks good! Now if you just had some Panthers!;-):):twisted:

Yup"thumbsup"

Im going to try a set soon. One of the local guys is going to set me up so i can try them. "thumbsup"

The only tire you need...Till the next gen Panthers come out8)

[dieselfuel]

The only tire you need...Till the next gen Panthers come out8)

sure hope they look better than the present panthers. :roll:

[k9popo]

sure hope they look better than the present panthers. :roll:


You cant deny performance though;-)

[Culetto]

Painted my JP's in with Silver...
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Sweet. I like it!

Nice Culleto those pics are INSANE what motors are you running???

Im going to build up a havok later this year"thumbsup"


Just 55t integys in the crawler, i'm pretty sold on the warrior motors but i need to figure out if the gearing is low enough on the bullies to handle 35t. I forgot to get the setup sheets done so ill have to mess with them tommorow. I think i figured out how to get my 1/2 - 1 inch of flex without changing the shocks. I noticed that the front torsion link is being limited where it mounts at the axle and not allowing it to flex enough. I'm also going to play with some different upper links to tweak and AS a little.

You cant deny performance though;-)

So whats the hot setup on the foams on the panthers? I was just going to try a set of Rizzo's XL Aces in them.

[k9popo]

So whats the hot setup on the foams on the panthers? I was just going to try a set of Rizzo's XL Aces in them.

Panther F310 and F400"thumbsup" work for me...

[run2jeepn]

Which way do you have your Shock/Link mounts mounted on the axles? The Correct way or upside down?

[Culetto]

Which way do you have your Shock/Link mounts mounted on the axles? The Correct way or upside down?

I'm going to say the correct way since this was the way mine came out of the package and the way the angles are cut for. One hole down, two holes up. I know a couple people said theirs came mounted the other way but it seemed off to me to machine that big notch in them and then flip them over.

[run2jeepn]

Thanks

[toytech93]

I always wondered what was the Correct mount position......

I received mine with the two hole end pointed down, opposite of Culetto's.

[Culetto]

I always wondered what was the Correct mount position......

I received mine with the two hole end pointed down, opposite of Culetto's.

If you look at the way the mount is cut one side has a steep cut in. This is for the axle to fit all the way in. While i love the idea of flipping it to have more options for link and shock mounts its obviously designed to fit one way more than the other. I know alot of people have recieved these in the flipped position and it works both ways so its not really important unless you are trying to explain it to someone.

[Culetto]

Made a few changes to my Havoc. After jamming the motor in our last testing session i decided i would try the more traditional way with the rear axle reversed and see if i liked it. I also switched all my upper links to Lunsford Ti and shortened them to give me more options with the chassis side mounting. The axle side upper links have been spaced apart more to assist in moving the axle pivot point up to the chassis. I also moved the front torsion links back one hole and spaced them out from the chassis just a little bit to give me about 3/4 inch more flex with the short kyosho shocks on the rear. The only problem i have now is figuring out an easier way to change the batteries out of the belly without removing the electronics tray, LOL.

Again, crappy camera phone pics but you get the idea.
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[run2jeepn]

I think you'll like it this way better...

[GaBronco]

Made a few changes to my Havoc. After jamming the motor in our last testing session i decided i would try the more traditional way with the rear axle reversed and see if i liked it. I also switched all my upper links to Lunsford Ti and shortened them to give me more options with the chassis side mounting. The axle side upper links have been spaced apart more to assist in moving the axle pivot point up to the chassis. I also moved the front torsion links back one hole and spaced them out from the chassis just a little bit to give me about 3/4 inch more flex with the short kyosho shocks on the rear. The only problem i have now is figuring out an easier way to change the batteries out of the belly without removing the electronics tray, LOL.



Stay tuned to the Vendors Forum, There will be a solution for your battery mounting woes very soon...;-)

Nathan

[53 willys]

Stay tuned to the Vendors Forum, There will be a solution for your battery mounting woes very soon...;-)

Nathan
dang!! I'm always a day late and a dollar short....
I ended up buying a KK berg battery try and just modded it for my bully axles..would have much rather had a bully battery tray..

[run2jeepn]

Like these...
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162207&page=2

http://www.compprocrawlers.com/albums/album01/DSC08842.jpg

[GaBronco]

Yep! Those are them, i havent received the final(hopefully) prototype yet, but as soon as i do, rest assured it will be mounted up and after a Thumbs UP to Ric, he should have them available soon! The first one only needed some slight tweaking, Bowtie does a great job! This has been in the works for a while now...We Didnt want all of us Bully owners being left out! haha

Nathan

[Culetto]

Yep! Those are them, i havent received the final(hopefully) prototype yet, but as soon as i do, rest assured it will be mounted up and after a Thumbs UP to Ric, he should have them available soon! The first one only needed some slight tweaking, Bowtie does a great job! This has been in the works for a while now...We Didnt want all of us Bully owners being left out! haha

Nathan

Very nice. Im not sure if it will fit my 2200 3 cell lipos though. I'm interested in trying one though.

[Culetto]

Test setup for tommorows practice session
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[dieselfuel]

damn chris... i just wanted to go crawlin tomorrow. am i gonna need some kinda security clearance to get to the rocks or something?

[Culetto]

damn chris... i just wanted to go crawlin tomorrow. am i gonna need some kinda security clearance to get to the rocks or something?

ROFL! Its all about setup and testing man. "thumbsup"

[run2jeepn]

Did you go Crawling the other day? Anything you plan on changing up?

[Culetto]

I was waiting for our resident shutterbug to get the pics up"thumbsup". I ended up not changing the shocks but switching out the claws to panthers. They are totally new to me so i was trying to adjust to them (really nice and grippy though). The rig was super stable. Im just going to keep playing with the AS for now until i get that dialed in. It was lifting the front a bit more than i like on the steeper inclines.

[FrankyRizzo]

Test setup for tommorows practice session


You need a hobby....

[toytech93]

You need a hobby....



:lol::lol::ror: PRICELESS !

[toytech93]

ROFL! Its all about setup and testing man. "thumbsup"



Hey Culetto, I was wondering if you knew your wheel weight ? I just switched to delrin mayhems and need a ballpark weight to aim for.

Can you help me out :?:

[Culetto]

You need a hobby....

LOL. I do have a Hobby, i'm the Slots Manager for two major Las Vegas resorts. Its almost starting to interfere with my crawling job"thumbsup"

[dieselfuel]

I was waiting for our resident shutterbug to get the pics up"thumbsup".


uploading to photobucket now. ;-)

[dieselfuel]

here it is, with the "test body" on it...

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[Culetto]

You da man Scott!!

Great pics as always"thumbsup"

[dieselfuel]

You da man Scott!!

Great pics as always"thumbsup"


answer your god damn phone!

[run2jeepn]

Pic's look good....

[dieselfuel]

thanks. theyre not my best but they'll do.

[Mudman]

great photos. I'm also considering a Baja Bug body now... "thumbsup"

[Culetto]

Hey Culetto, I was wondering if you knew your wheel weight ? I just switched to delrin mayhems and need a ballpark weight to aim for.

Can you help me out :?:

I havent weighed mine. The are vanquish pro comps. 6 in each front and 2 in each rear. Next time i make it over to rizzo's ill hijack his scale and see what they are exactly with the panthers.

[Culetto]

great photos. I'm also considering a Baja Bug body now... "thumbsup"

The new proline bug bodies should be out this week. Very stylish and you dont have to pay 50 bucks each for them like the disco'd HPI ones.

[FrankyRizzo]

Holy crap that body is awesome.

Can I have it back now?? :ror:

[Culetto]

Holy crap that body is awesome.

Can I have it back now?? :ror:

You can have it back as soon as i get the new proline ones"thumbsup"

[Arct1k]

Can you show a shot of the front links - I'm up to putting elecs in mine but the front links are hitting the servo and the trans case pretty badly - FYI my front axles are clocked 20.

Many thanks

[Culetto]

My appologies to all the Bully drivers out there who followed this thread. Work has been brutal the past month and i have been falling behind.

I made some changes to the steering and added a KK steering link that i cut down an inch and raised the servo up 5/8in off the axle so the arm is facing down.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3654/3545833906_4e40da5724.jpg?v=0


I also went back to my little touring car shocks on the front that i ran on the prototype havoc. These have very stiff springs on them so they dont interfere with the torsion of the chassis itself (only 3/8in of travel) but they make up the difference in the body mounts limiting the flex on the front half of the chassis.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3567/3545834100_fa619a8a18.jpg?v=1242735819


85% of this flex is from the torsion and the rear shocks. I wanted full articulation so i could hang it down between opposite wheels.
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I go through bodies like water. At least one a month, i'm still searching for that 'one' that fits like i want etc etc. (Our last comp i ran a scaler size HPI Defender body just for fun) (http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k454/sincityrcrc/DSC_0145-3.jpg) I picked up a new Proline rockstar yesterday just for something super low profile and i will be adding lights to it for our summer comps. We dont run a summer point series but we have a couple night comps, in the north you cant run in winter, out here you cant run in the summer, its just not fun when its 120 outside.

Look for a review on the comp claws in Run2jeepin's tire test thread soon, for the lazy people, they kick ass!"thumbsup"

[GaBronco]

Glad to see this thread brought back!

[Culetto]

Im not brave enough to post my paint in the paint forums but this is prolly my best one so far. Everything you see is paint. No stickers at all. I have an old Roland CAM-9000 vinyl cutter and have been trying to work out some easy masks.

These were definatley not easy. This is all rattle can (Testors, Parma, Tamiya and House of Kolors) 7 different colors (orange, silver metallic, white, gunmetal, red, candy orange, candy blue, candy purple) 7 different masks not counting the windows on 8 different layers. Some of them had to be reverse masked so the whole body was masked and then painted, pulled and remasked elsewhere. Took me about 4 hours including designing the vectors in corel.

Honestly i dont know how these guys who paint for money do it day in and day out. Maybe its time for me to get an airbrush.

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[clodbuilder99]

Took me about 4 hours including designing the vectors in corel.


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DAMN!!! talk about working FOR your hobby..........

that is some fine work!!:)"thumbsup"

[Racer4Life]

Im not brave enough to post my paint in the paint forums but this is prolly my best one so far. Everything you see is paint. No stickers at all. I have an old Roland CAM-9000 vinyl cutter and have been trying to work out some easy masks.

These were definatley not easy. This is all rattle can (Testors, Parma, Tamiya and House of Kolors) 7 different colors (orange, silver metallic, white, gunmetal, red, candy orange, candy blue, candy purple) 7 different masks not counting the windows on 8 different layers. Some of them had to be reverse masked so the whole body was masked and then painted, pulled and remasked elsewhere. Took me about 4 hours including designing the vectors in corel.

Honestly i dont know how these guys who paint for money do it day in and day out. Maybe its time for me to get an airbrush.




Nice paint work. Want to paint a couple more?:-P

[Xtant3150c]

:shock:

That is some great work right there "thumbsup"

[Culetto]

Nice paint work. Want to paint a couple more?:-P


i have had a few offers on this. i dont think it would work out. i paint a few for my local guys but when its not your body sometimes the inspiration to get it done doesnt come. especially with 3-4hours per body in paint and design. once i get a house with a garage i might revisit it but right now im doing the designing and cutting in my office and painting on my little apt patio.

glad you liked it though"thumbsup"

[Culetto]

:shock:

That is some great work right there "thumbsup"


Thanks :mrgreen:

[scrounge]

That is awesome! Some serious patience and dedication!!"thumbsup"

[Culetto]

Just had to post up something about the Havoc. This thing is just stupid strong. I was testing the new LH2.0 chromoly bully stubs for the vendor tuesday afternoon and decided it wasn't a real test unless i broke something. I sent (not totally on purpose, it MIGHT have been possible) my rig 30ft down the side of a sandstone mountain tumbling and cartwheeling all the way down and ending at the bottom in a dead stop against a little ledge.

The Havoc never even stressed in the tumble that broke a kamikaze lower, a stainless lower, totaled a 5995tg and split the case on a sidewinder.

Considering the chassis was supporting 6-7 pounds of axles and wheels and all the other damage this is an amazing feat. I got the body off the rig today and you would never have known except the lower links hanging down and the front axle swinging:shock:.

[LetsHandleit]

Dude I told you not to drive it off the house roof!!!

[Stormin2u]

Nice paint work the masks look great "thumbsup" When are you going to get some "Warrior" motors for that rig?

[Culetto]

Nice paint work the masks look great "thumbsup" When are you going to get some "Warrior" motors for that rig?

When they are in stock again. I wasnt going to run them on the v1 or v2 stubs but now that i have the 5mm chromoly axles i will up the power in this bad boy.

[Culetto]

Its funny, i havent updated this thread in awhile because i havent done anything to the rig. Other than swapping tires occasionally for different terrain it hasent gotten any luvin because she was already dialed. I felt bad (plus i get bored if im not wrenching on something r/c) so she got a couple tiny upgrades.

Dual FXR's replace the Dual Sidewinders! (tiny upgrade, get it?:roll:) I dont have anything against Castle, i switched for 2 simple reasons, first was size, the Sidewinders are bigger and heavier, Second was drag brake, the FXR's just have a far supperior grip on the drag brakes which is important to me when running dual ESC's and setting your rear esc to 0 d/r is how you Dig. The tray is just a scrap piece of lexan.
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Second i got really crazy, i figured i would try something really odd just to see how it works (i know, insert joke here about changing a rig that already was dialed) Reverse the Havoc!
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Its a 60/40 split with short Ti links up front and long SS links out back. Since i didnt make any new SS links for the front they are on the outside of the chassis to clear the gearboxes. This is temporary until i fab up some new ones (which i might not depending on how this all works out in sundays comp)
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I took it out on some test rocks around my apt and it did pretty well. I have to get used to running a droop rig again and also try some foam setups in the new panthers but shes really sticky right now and holding on very well on some tough sidehills.
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I like the 60/40 (def needs the new front links though) all in all im very pleased so far. Might switch from droop to sprung on the front end if i can dig up some really short shocks out of my junk box.

Flame away!"thumbsup"

[dieselfuel]

can't wait to see how it stacks up against a CDW chassis tomorrow! :flipoff::flipoff:

[Culetto]

Well the Reversed havoc did ok but i didnt, i wasnt comfortable with it (and i fell and gashed my leg open on the rocks) so it got switched back, then, a strange package arrived in the mail. I was intrigued, i hadent ordered anything that i could remember. Turns out it was the new Cab and lower links from JPCustoms, of course i have to compete in St George this weekend at the Utah State Champs and its always better to rebuild your rig right before a big comp so here are some photos.

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The cab itself has a cool profile and swoop down to the rear so i had to take advantage of it with the roof panel. The silly little sides are just to keep it legal for this weekend. I plan to split the upper cab away from the lower chassis with 1/4 inch spacers to get it to the 3inch width required and then paint up some more panels, this all arrived on wednesday evening so i only had yesterday and today to get it tested for tommorow.

I also switched back to my nice worn CompClaws for the red rock up in Utah. For anyone who used to race this is standard practice to set the tires to the course but im always suprised how many people dont do this in crawling, trust me, some tires work better at some places.

[run2jeepn]

I like it....:)

[Culetto]

Dieselfuel has his badass camera at Utah State Champs last weekend and got this awsome shot of the bullys getting some airtime.

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k454/sincityrcrc/DSC_0200-3.jpg

[TC09minilosi]

Is there a difference between the Hellstrom cab and this haVoc cab?

[Culetto]

Not that im aware of. On the havoc you have to be more careful of your mounting points due to the torsion and because the front half of the chassis is different from the rear (upper link mounts specifically). But it did bolt right up. If you are having trouble mounting yours post up and ill take some more photos showing exactly which holes.

[run2jeepn]

Any more updates?:)

[Culetto]

Any more updates?:)

OOOoooh yea. Just hadent gotten around to posting any tech about them. Shortened, full sprung, bodiless havoc anyone? :shock:

Ill pull some pics from our comp on sunday and post them up when i get home today.

[papabash]

Wow! That sounds interesting, to say the least! Anxious to see those pics! "thumbsup"

[bivens22]

I too would love to see the pics on your new setup.

[dieselfuel]

since culetto is a lazy slouch...

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k454/sincityrcrc/DSC_0259-1.jpg

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k454/sincityrcrc/DSC_0333-2.jpg

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k454/sincityrcrc/DSC_0450.jpg

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k454/sincityrcrc/DSC_0337-2.jpg

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k454/sincityrcrc/DSC_0215.jpg

[Culetto]

HAHA, thanks man.

[IDnewcrwlr]

since culetto is a lazy slouch...

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k454/sincityrcrc/DSC_0259-1.jpg

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k454/sincityrcrc/DSC_0333-2.jpg

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k454/sincityrcrc/DSC_0450.jpg

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k454/sincityrcrc/DSC_0337-2.jpg

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k454/sincityrcrc/DSC_0215.jpg
most culettos are lol. nice pics man

[samaruki]

loven the dry weather picks8)8)

[Culetto]

loven the dry weather picks8)8)

Yea when it rains here we dont comp, you guys from the wet states are much braver than us desert rats when it comes to electronics :mrgreen:

[bivens22]

How are you liking the changes to the rig? I'm sure that the havok and the shortened/sprung chassis act differently.

[Culetto]

Its more personal prefrence and the type of rocks we have bene running on. Ou here there isnt alot of gap work its all huge natural moutains so on some of the courses the torsion was keeping a wheel up when i needed it to go down. This was just more of an experiment to see how the havoc would run and it does well, the shocks on the front are layed way way down so the whole thing feels very loose (they only travel about 1/2 inch now but its full articulation). It allows me to get the wheels where i need them in certain situations but sacrifices some sidehilling since its so soft it will lean over. I'll be switching to a hellstrom soon just to try it but all in all this works well for me out here on our last few comps. I dont think i would recommend it to everyone though.

[Culetto]

Below are my original comments about the bullys when i first received mine almost a year ago. I pulled my rear axle apart for some cleaning and figured i would post up the wear from 1 year of crawling (pics are below the quote for comparison). Ask anyone locally im pretty rough on my stuff.

Well the bullys came the other day. I have been frantically trying to get them mounted so i could run them this weekend and break them in. I have the mounted up now but the electronics need to all be moved around and tucked lower. I have been wanting these since august when RC4WD announced them and the first proto testers went out. These are worth the wait.

First some axle pics

6mm Shafts all the way around and CVD's on the front. These are all beef. The M3 screw is in there for refrence.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3107/3121656814_ea92e610c7.jpg

Brass bushings support the knuckles. More beef here. And stock high clearance knuckles.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/3121656926_a9636caa0b.jpg

Excellent machining all around. All gears supported by metal shielded bearings.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/3120831285_a099311f8c.jpg

6mm thick gears. I dont imagine even as rough as i am on my rigs ill ever strip one. Wont need a spare set in the pit box for these. Final drive gear switches to 32p for durability and ..... more beef.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3233/3120831137_ce648b6d17.jpg

New Pics (note there is no wear at all on the gears, any small lumps or imperfections you see are actually leftover grease i might have missed)
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00126.jpg?t=1258665508

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00127.jpg?t=1258665541

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00128.jpg?t=1258665554

The cases and bearings are still flawless on the inside. When i reasembled everything before i greased it you could spin the axle and it would keep right on spinning just from the intertia and the quality of the bearings.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00129.jpg?t=1258665572

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00130.jpg?t=1258665584

All lubed up and ready to go. Incidentally when i pulled them apart the grease was still almost this same red color. The only dirty grease was on the motor side gear where it still gets dust/dirt etc into the case through the motor.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00131.jpg?t=1258665597

This is the only grease i will use on these axles, it flat out works and if i remember correctly it was $7 for this giant container.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00132.jpg?t=1258665610

I just want to give props to RC4WD for making such a killer product. As i said in the quote above i was itching to get these before they were even released and i havent been happier with a crawling based purchase.

[rmdesignworks]

I remember when I first started seeing these really getting on the boards,,,I was reading all the problems people were having etc..then the fixes happened,,one after another,,and now,,i too couldnt be happier,,its good to get an idea from threads like yours what the rest of us can expect out of our purchases,,,thanks culetto

[Culetto]

I remember when I first started seeing these really getting on the boards,,,I was reading all the problems people were having etc..then the fixes happened,,one after another,,and now,,i too couldnt be happier,,its good to get an idea from threads like yours what the rest of us can expect out of our purchases,,,thanks culetto

Ya the first stubs were a bit small as you can see from the pics. They did have some breakage but honestly i didnt think it was any more than axial stubs on the weights we were running back then. RC4WD came through and made 4 different versions of the axles and stubs to get them right, we also had some independents making some (RC Axle Master all around in mine, never broken). In all actuality it worked out for the best because these are by far the most comp ready axle on the market now. I still see bergs breaking stubs and they are just now getting the super 300's aftermarket 2 years later. You will see more and more people switching in the comming months i think.

[toytech93]

Ya the first stubs were a bit small as you can see from the pics. They did have some breakage but honestly i didnt think it was any more than axial stubs on the weights we were running back then. RC4WD came through and made 4 different versions of the axles and stubs to get them right, we also had some independants making some. In all actuality it worked out for the best because these are by far the most comp ready axle on the market now. I still see bergs breaking stubs and they are just now getting the super 300's aftermarket 2 years later. You will see more and more people switching in the comming months i think.


Yeah, I agree with culetto.

I think you will start to see more and more bully rigs especially since RC4WD just released the lighter CNC version again.

I also have over a year of abuse on my bullies with no signs of wear on any of the gears ! I have even snap teeth off of 2 pinion gears (454 pullers :twisted:)with no damage to the main gears !

[rmdesignworks]

chris,,,mail sent to your email,,thomas

[Culetto]

Well when i got my bully's i couldnt handle paying another 50 bucks for the ''steering kit'' so i made my own. It worked really well and kept the link above the knuckle arms where i like it (why bother having high clearance knuckles and run the link on the bottom?).

So when Xirtic released his delrin servo mount for the bully's i decided i would try it. Recently switching to bodiless means my servo is more exposed so i figured this might save me 100 bucks someday "thumbsup"


Looks pretty simple right? Not even close! The tolerances on this thing are extremely tight for the design. I feel bad for Xirtic since he will be getting alot of feedback from the whiney ''bolt-n-go'' crowd but i love it. The bottom of the upper link mount got shaved just a teeny bit to give it some breathing room. I considered countersinking the holes but at 415oz of torque on the servo i want all the meat there i can.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00134.jpg?t=1259695523

Yes you can get a piece of paper in there but not thick paper :mrgreen:
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00133.jpg?t=1259695727

Ok so here is where it gets interesting. I HATE the link mounts below the knuckles. Maybe its just my thing. After messing with this and the tolerances for a couple hours (yea, my OCD kicked in :mrgreen:) i remembered something we did a long time ago to make a tight tolerance link mount. Out came the 5/16 stainless tube, 4mm allthread, TLT link mount and the brazing torch (in the house no less, my GF is not amused right now, LOL)
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00136.jpg?t=1259695957

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00137.jpg?t=1259695982

from below
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00138.jpg?t=1259695996

and i kept my sweet aproach angle and got the main steering link another 3/16 above the knuckles 8)
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy121/Culett0/DSC00139.jpg?t=1259696017

Thanks to Xirtic for a killer product! I will definatley be recommending this one to all the Bully drivers i know.

Please keep in mind that my setup isnt really typical for this mount. I HAVE to have it where I want it and ill keep building on it till its there. If you want to just bolt it on click HERE (http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1931870&postcount=28) for pics of the base setup from Xirtic.

[clarkrw3]

Question. I don't have my LT bully's yet so I might be able to answer my own question in a week or so but why doesn't anyone run the knuckles backwards with a bent tie rod like on the Bergs?

[xirtic]

Question. I don't have my LT bully's yet so I might be able to answer my own question in a week or so but why doesn't anyone run the knuckles backwards with a bent tie rod like on the Bergs?



That is on my list to figure out......eventually.

[Culetto]

Question. I don't have my LT bully's yet so I might be able to answer my own question in a week or so but why doesn't anyone run the knuckles backwards with a bent tie rod like on the Bergs?

That is on my list to figure out......eventually.

Because of the shock/link mounts, you cant turn them all the way in you will hit the mounts. I tried this right when i got mine.

Its not impossible. I have some designs done but until its perfected and prototyped it wont be public.


In the short term you could flip and switch the knuckles and run a flat link under the axles like the clods used to. Dont think anyone is that desperate for approach angle but hey, there it is. :mrgreen: