rock bashing seascape comp #2 OCT-16-2004 (NEW DATE!)

[1beatjeep]

COMPETITONS at seascape on the 16 oct. 2004 let get the biggest comp together.in the bay area. LET START at 11am so we can do both courses.. let here what you have to say.



LETS ROCK

[skyjacker_rc_club]

hell ya. how about the end of september that way we have a get together and a comp once a month. what do you guys think. i could even come up with a new course but that one was sick.

[badger]

That sounds great, but the end of sept is either the 25 or Oct. 2 and I can't do Oct 2 cuase I have a wedding to go to.

I can deffinitly do Oct 9 though.

[86ss1]

im in for the 9th... We have a rc demo show planned for the 2nd in san jose... but you guys will be hearing more about that in short while.. :flipoff: :wink:

[TheNewbie]

Hey were is the demo show in San Jose?

[bigred]

i missed the first one so i will be there man

[kevinlongisland]

i may shoot out from phoenix to come hang out and crawl. allot of the comps (provo, utah and colorado springs, colorado) are so damned far away (at least 11 hour drive). My comp here in phoenix is November 20th if anyone is interested in driving out here for it. I'll try to make your event though. what city is it in? i'm assuming from bay area it's san diego?

http://members.cox.net/rockcrawling/

[skyjacker_rc_club]

were norcal man no socal kids here lol :flipoff:

if there were people in socal we could have a west coast comp and distroy them. that would be fun. :flipoff:

[rckjeep]

I'd love to make but I'm helping with my 1:1 4x4 club doing a trail clean-up on Fordyce Creek Trail in Calif.

Here's a link to anyone interested



http://p205.ezboard.com/ffourdice4wheeldriveclubbulletinboardfrm16.showMes sage?topicID=22.topic

[skyjacker_rc_club]

can you make it if it was at the end of sept. :?:

[kevinlongisland]

oh well, san fran is too far for me also. i just can't seem to find any comps that are close!

[kjr2]

I was at the last Seascape crawl with a white Jeep bodied Clod. I wish I could make it but my new work/school schedule won't allow it. I have school until ~1pm on Saturdays. Then factor in the 2.5-3hr drive and the comp will be over by the time I get there 8O

[1beatjeep]

ha kjr2 if we have a ture out like we did at the frist one we will be there for about 6or seven hour.but ho nows right.

[badger]

I am going to officially start the shit talking. :flipoff:

You clod guys need to get your shit together and bring it to this comp! Are you guys going to let the shaft's rein at this comp also?

If you guys want, we can have the TXT's run with on road tires to make it more fare! :flipoff:


Speaking of fare, I think the kongs should be in there own class, what do you guys think?

[bigred]

hey badger clods can do just as or even better with a reduction you just wait when i my reduction it'll be all over but i do agree with you or i woundnt of bougt a new txt-1

[kevinlongisland]

I am going to officially start the shit talking. :flipoff:

You clod guys need to get your shit together and bring it to this comp! Are you guys going to let the shaft's rein at this comp also?

If you guys want, we can have the TXT's run with on road tires to make it more fare! :flipoff:


Speaking of fare, I think the kongs should be in there own class, what do you guys think?

if we do a boulder city comp, it's close enough for you cali guys and you'll have some clod competition, i guarantee it.

http://rccrawler.com/posts2354-0.html

[skyjacker_rc_club]

dam sucks to be me i cant pick a side on this one love my txt but the clod i built for my brother kicks ass. i hope he sucks at driving. id say i wish he brakes but id have to fix it then. lol :flipoff:

[skyjacker_rc_club]

i cant wait to see that winch. i think a comp and get together once a month would be sick. I think it would be cool to have a doubles comp were two rigs work together to get through the course and there total points are added up. just a idea may work on a trail ride or what not. im thinking about going down to seascape this weekend and remark the course which is probaly not there. :flipoff:

[skyjacker_rc_club]

my brother, I and rc guru will be down there on sunday round 1:00. so if anyone wants to crawl or help set up the course we would be glad to have you. :flipoff: :!:

[skyjacker_rc_club]

*READ THIS IMPORTANT TO COMP(NOTE DATE CHANGE)

we went down to the course today and found that all the markings were still there so that sick. But i just wanted to make sure people Know that the comp is this weekend the 25th because there were alot of confictions with the other date. we will start earlier and have more people jugding that way we can do both courses. We also ran the second course which was pritty cool. so make sure you make it. ill post the rules and directions incase again anyone needs them.

wheels i lowered the battery and resized the shaft on that gd600 so im good now. :D

[rckjeep]

So Oct. 25th now? Sweet I can make it now.

[Jeckler]

I think he mean THIS weekend. The 25th is a Monday in October. Oh well, I don't think I'll be there.

[1beatjeep]

wait wait how can you just change the day.i set the day i think it sould be THE 9TH OF OCT yhere is rig still being bulit yet.i call everone one the date should it be the 9th let here from everone.

[RandyatBBY]

I know that I am a newbee but once a date is set then people get days off in advance and when you flip flop back and forth it screws them up. I know Tom C that has just finished moving has been looking foward to a few weeks to finish a new rig. I would be able to make it either way but prefer the time to prepair and not be in a rush.

[WestCoastCrawler]

i cant make it on the ninth :cry:

[skyjacker_rc_club]

i posted it a ways back but wheels was bringing it up at the pratice so good thing i posted it again. more then a few people were not going to be able to make the event. If you cant make this date SEP. 25th speak up now. We have to see who can go and who cant. But i cant sway everyone so its up to the mob.

If we have it the 9th these are the people that will not make it:
skyjacker
westcoastcrawlers
guru
rckjeep
badger
wheels

[GRINDER]

I deffinately can not make the 25th I am building my truck and it will not be ready before this weekend. I was under the impression that it was set for the 9th of Oct. So no for me on the 25th.

GRINDER

[skyjacker_rc_club]

ok then you guys should stick to the 9th and some of use will have miss out. didnt know so many people were building rigs but thats cool to see some freash crawlers in the works. Ill try to make it. i cant miss to comps in a row on home turf. lol

It would be sick if we could get a norcal rc crawlers web site or a calender of some sort. :wink:

[bigred]

october 9 man i just started cutting up my txt chassis i think it should be on the 9 or i cant make it

[badger]

skyjacker,

I don't know where you read that I can't make it on the 9th, I said I CAN make it. I also can make it on the 25th but do not like the flip flopping of the dates.

You guys should have done a check to see who can/cannot make it before you set a date.

So are some of you still going this Sat. the 25? regardless of the comp date? If so I would like to go.

[badger]

1beatjeep,

If this comp is going to be on the 9th who is going to judge since skyjacker cannot make it?

Also, since were on the subject of change, why not have the comp in Moutain View (bigred's location) instead of Seascape? I thought I heard from a few people that they liked bigred's location better because it was more scale and not rediculously large rocks. I don't think a location change is as bad as a date change, so that is why I am asking.

[1beatjeep]

how about making a date change to the 16th of oct. at sescape.if this work it will be the new date.how many people is for this. let here what you have to say.


thanks

[skyjacker_rc_club]

im at seascape crawling every weekend anyways. so im down for what ever, when ever, where ever. 8)

the best tool in crawling is not giant tires, hot suspension or low winding motors it comes down to rock time. lol :lol:

Badger sea scape is big but the rock have insane grip so you will see your car do things you never knew it could. there are also endless amount of trail runing through the rocks you just need to find them. i like big reds spot and would like to have a comp there one day it more of a river rock well it is a river lol. :flipoff:

[Jeckler]

I won't be there at all.

[badger]

im at seascape crawling every weekend anyways. so im down for what ever, when ever, where ever. 8)

Except for Oct 9th. :roll:

1beatjeep,
I can make it on Oct. 16, I will see if my friend can go as well.


Wheels, a trail ride this Sat. the 25 sounds good to me, I was hopeing to have a bumper similar to yours so I could help out pulling but thats cool. Just watching people get pulled out of being stuck is cool enough!

[skyjacker_rc_club]

cant make the 9th because i planned a robotics meeting we were going to go over this years projects and stuff but if it comes down to it i can push that back but the 16th would better for me.

Badger you guys coming to seascape on the 25th? :?:

[rckjeep]

Well I can't make the 9th for sure and I could but should really work on the 1:1 Jeep till the ninth.

Plus I just cut off my lower tranny mount on my TXT today. I'll most likely get it done before this weekend but you never know.

[RandyatBBY]

I like the idea Mt.View on Sep 25 and seascape on the Oct 9. a little practice befor the comp.

[RandyatBBY]

I have seen a post for rules and have been looking for the post for the rules we use with at Seascape. I have not found the right one any help?

[skyjacker_rc_club]

i couldnt find the post here you go. :(

General Rules
Scoring starts at 0pts
Winner is decided by the driver with the most points at the end of the competition
Maximum neg points per gate (-100pts) - except if gate is skipped, then its (-110pts)
Broken parts may be fixed mid course, but if a vehicle can finish broken, hell yeah. Now that's course committment
Gates must be completed in numerical order and in the direction of the course design. No driving to the opposite side of the gate and coming through.


Penalty Points
1 - Reverse "backing up" (-5pts) - Note, entering the course backwards to align up for an obstacle better instantly assesses the reverse penalty.
2 - Rollovers requiring assistance (-20pts) - Vehicle must be placed back on wheels where it landed. If its impossible to drive out of that position, the closest driveable location will be used with another 1pt penalty
3 - Vehicle stuck (-10pts) - When a vehicle is stuck on an obstacle, the minimum amount of movement needed to free the vehicle is allowed with the penalty Movement must be in backwards to the direction of the course. So a driver cannot move the vehicle further forward to be freed.
4 - Hit Gate (-20pts)
5 - Skipped gate (-110pts)
6 - Missed course (Maximum course points based on Skipped gate penalties)

Non Penalty Points
1 - Stops (No Penalty) since a stop really doesn't aide the driver that much.
2 - Rollovers and recovering without assistance (No Penalty)

Bonus Points
1 - Progression gates. (100pts) Each gate is a progression through the course
2 - Bonus lines. (150pts) A course may have a more difficult bonus line that can be attempted, but is not required. However, it would be an alternate to a standard gate.

Course Design
Gates (cones, should be placed in a way where they aren't the obstacle to climb but dictate the course. So it shouldn't be a battle of cones, but a battle of the obstacle.
Gates should be not be narrower than 30 inches apart. The gates define the course designers path.

Vehicle Requirements
Currently Open, but as events occur, a pattern will be seen to where classes should be broken up.

[bigred]

i cant make it to my spot on the 25 but i can make the seascape comp on whatever date i think having a comp at my spot on the 9 instead of seascape is better but i still cant make the trail/ride which i would of liked to pull people out with my txt

[1beatjeep]

what day sould this comp. be let here what you have to say the 2nd of oct is that cool with everone.


thanks

[skyjacker_rc_club]

ill do it anytime but if you guys need more time to build your rigs then thats cool.

I think we should run seascape for the comp. because we have the course allready marked out then for the next one we can run big reds spot so i can get some time to find more rock trails. Seascape is like a puzzle. Bigred youll like seascape trust me. :D

[RandyatBBY]

If we have the next comp on the 2nd of Oct. Tom will be able to make it, he will be not able to make any other day next month due to work. When I got back to the shop my parts were there so I will be able too.

[badger]

Now I CAN NOT make it on the 9th. The wife made plans and did not put it on the calendar.

So I can make it on the 16th if the comp get moved back that far.

Here are the dates that were mentioned.

Oct 2. (can not go)
Oct 9. (can not go)
Oct 16. (can go)

So if you guys decide on the 2nd or the 9th, have fun! And I know my friend (that won 2nd) can make it on the 9th.

[bigred]

hey skyjacker i know will like your spot i like any spot so i would love to go to seascape and then maybe we can have a comp at my spot any way sea scape i will go any date but only on a saterday

[skyjacker_rc_club]

the 16th would be cool for me. :D

[RandyatBBY]

I am open for the 9 th or the 16th. You guys decide

[rckjeep]

I can make the 16th. Hopefully my servo's will be back from Hitec by then. But I ordered some of those cheapo ones in the cheap servo thread. What the hell. Two cost me what one 645MG did.

[kickback_crawler]

I be there on the 9th with camcord in hand and extra batteries too. No crawler yet :evil: hope to have one built before the next comp.

[rckjeep]

Im in on the 16th!!! That would be great. Got some cool new mods that I can't wait to try!! Hey, bigred, ever heard of spell check? Remember, the only way for someone to judge you on a pc/fourm is your grammer! Stay in school and be 8)

That's funny!

What did you do shed about a ton of weight? :flipoff: Seriously what?

[rckjeep]

nope, I forgot. Can't wait to see it.

[skyjacker_rc_club]

i bet i could guess he turned the tranny on its side for lower CG, took off winch extra esc rx and stuff and is mounting lsts with pink beadlocks and a pink barbie jeep body lol :flipoff:

was i close? :lol:

[skyjacker_rc_club]

you dont want to get that thing lost in the rocks you know. :lol:

[1beatjeep]

NEW DATE MORE PEOPLE MORE FUN.everone ok with this date .

[badger]

I changed the date to OCT. 16 in the title per 1beatjeep's request.

I think we will have a larger turn out with the comp on Oct. 16th.

[rckjeep]

Sweet! I'll be there. can't wait I think the competition will be a lot more fierce. Though I think we should have different classes. 3 to be exact. the 5" tired class/6-7" tired class/ and the KONG CLASS. Just an Idea. Oh and a few more course judges.

I look forward to it.

[RandyatBBY]

The 16th is the date then?


On changing to three classes so you are afraid becuse I have kongs, this newbee will preform better than your several years of experance? :P :lol: I do not think so.
I think you must have more than two trucks to make a class that would be boring.

[skyjacker_rc_club]

what do you guys all think of the kongs in comps. we could right in a new rule if you guys want. lets here what you all have to say on the subject.

I dont feel kongs have a place in comps but would be cool on trail ride and stuff. but thats my just my opinion. :wink:

on classes i think it should be tlt/small axle class them a class for txt clod etc with out kongs and a kong group.

[bigred]

i think you shoud have classes like real crawling, stock, modified stock,unlimited- like stock could be limited travel and reductionand, tire size (modified stock) could be more travel and more reduction and 4ws bigger clod-txt-1 sized tires ( unlimited) could be any thing kongs ,450:1 reduction whatever but thats just a idea probaly not a good one but oh well

[1beatjeep]

i am going to start with this frist. there is a lot of people that run kong dirk for start so you are saying if he came do here you wont let him run with the txt class or what.biggger is not all way better.here two more people with kong toyofast/4xadict. its not the truck with kong it the driver and how it perfomes.4xadict was telling that a tlt kick his butt in a comp two month ago.i have not find anything about any comp rules about tires size in a comp.

[bigred]

what about txts or clods with kongs

[RandyatBBY]

As Newbie, if I win the next comp then Yes I would have a unfair advantage. But Do you all realy think that is gona happen? I realy do not want to buy new wheels and tires for my comp rig. I think you can all get that one. Rules are rules. If it was writen down in the rules then I would have no problem with spliting the classes if there was 4 or 5 total trucks..

[bigred]

how about we all get kongs 8)

[rOckhOppEr]

i'm new but i think that there should be 2 classes,scale and unlimited because it's about the driving not the tire size.By the way i'm the little dude that has the halfpint.I'm Tom's son,the kid that came to the last event with Randy.

[rckjeep]

you guys saying tires size doesn't mean anything are smoking crack. 1BeatJeep take the 36" of your TJ and replace them with with 32s and go run the Rubicon and tell me tires size doesn't mean something. My ass. Now if a TLT spanks a konged rig than the course was set for a shorter WB. Or the driver sucked. There's always gonna be exceotions to ever rule or theory.

But we should do something.

[1beatjeep]

david i did the con with 33 with no promblem at all. how can you compair my jeep to my R/C there is no compairacent.

[skyjacker_rc_club]

i feel limiting the tires would be good but not gearing thats just something you need for crawling. and im also not big on limiting xfactor axles because with smaller tires the xfactor axles have more roomed to get hooked but have a wider stance so its a form of a trade off just like any axles. same with wheelbase if my car is long then i will beable to go up a vertical plane alot easier but when i get in a section with rocks sicking up or tight turns the smaller wheelbase will have a advantage. i feel if guys with tlts want to run with the txt guys then thats cool to we shouldnt leave them out just because they went with the most scale car. myself being a tlt owner would like to run in a tlt size class but if there are only 2 people then hell ill run in a txt size class.

[kjr2]

Oct 16? Is that a Sunday? If so, I will probably be able to make it. That is if my boss doesn't make me come in that weekend. My Clod is being rebuilt right now and I've started on a Twin Force cralwer but I don't think it will be done by the 16th. I could get my Clod done by then though... Is anyone else running a Clod still? I think 876ss1 got rid of his...

Of course the Kong tires have an advantage over other tires in size. But how is that different from anything else? LST tires have an advantage over stock Clod tires in size and traction. Trucks with gear reduciton have a runtime and throttle control advantage. Trucks with longer wheel bases have the advantage of not tipping over backwards as easily. Trucks with sick high torque servos have a distinct advantage over those that don't. Where does it end?

[RandyatBBY]

Not to point any one out hear, (Becuse I like every one) but I hear a lot of "that truck does not look scale, it does not look real at all". Those people have rigs that look like monster trucks lowered. The only truck that looks close is Big reds. It inspired me to build my power wagon. I should have made it shorter then it would have been much more scale but I wanted it to work half way well. They are RC Models and to make them work proportions suffer. It is a fun crawl rig and not my compitition rig that I do not mind if it flips and crashes it was made for it. This crawling stuff excites me, restraints make me loose intrest.

[rckjeep]

david i did the con with 33 with no promblem at all. how can you compair my jeep to my R/C there is no compairacent.

I did the Rubicon and Fordyce on 33s and narrow axles. And now that I have WIDER AXLES and BIGGER TIRES (35's) It's a lot easier. And I compare 1:1 to RC because it is the same just smaller. You want your 1:1 to crawl better you Lock the axles, lower the crawl ratio, install wider axles and BIGGER TIRES. You want your RC to crawl better you do all the same things. How is it different? Every principle is the same, just a different scale. That's all I'm saying. And you can't tell me you can go all the same places a full width TJ on 49" Iroks can go.

i don't really care about different classes but let's be fair.

[GRINDER]

Well I don't see what unfair. I am building my new rig around a set of kongs. It really seems easy to me if everyone can agree, why not make three classes:

1. Small crawlers(basicly anything under 14", tires under 5")

2. Sportsman(basicly anything with tires 5"-7", and a wheel track of under 12" wide)

3. Unlimited (tires over 7", track width over 12", more than two axles,etc....)

The tire sizes are just a off the top of my head numbers, but you get the idea.

The main idea is to have fun! I'm sure my driving skills will be enough of a handicap that it would make a difference.

There also the idea of just give the kong drivers a handicap, say starting with and negitive number of points. I say we try this. Have a few comps as they are now see if the kong trucks dominate, if they do figure the average point lead of the kong trucks and make that the starting negitive point amount. I.E. after three comps the kong trucks average 100 + ,but under 175point leads then make the handcap 100 points and try that and adjust it every three or four comps until a happy medium can be found. The same would go for the scale trucks they could receive a handicap as well. It just takes a little open mindedness to find an answer to our current delema and get back to having fun!

This is just my perspective on this issue. I am building a clod based kong truck and a X based kong truck, but I'm also building a scale tlt, and a regular sized clod. So for me I can play anyway. I liked to trying my little tlt-1 truck against a kong truck, it just makes me drive better.

Well I've rambled enough. Remember it all about fun. Checking the ego's at the door makes for a funner time.


GRINDER

TOO many R/C's to list!

I can also make the 16th for the comp if I can finish my truck by then :mrgreen:

[skyjacker_rc_club]

At this point in time i feel we should do a few more comps and look for trends in the scores just like Grinder said. you guys have to think to that your crawlers are must likly better then when we ran the first comp and driving skill have advanced, so i feel that after only one comp it would be hard to put down such a drastic rule on crawler restrictions/classes. :(

But when the time comes i feel the best plan of action would be a point deduction. From what im hearing it sounds like the kong guys under stand the advantage but just dont want to be left out of the comp with only 3 people running which i can total understand 8)

what do you guys think? :wink:

[RandyatBBY]

I think we do not have enough people or trucks to split up into classes and keep it fun and interesting. I like Grinders idea. It is a good compromise for right now. I would suport this. It sounds like fun.




There also the idea of just give the kong drivers a handicap, say starting with and negitive number of points. I say we try this. Have a few comps as they are now see if the kong trucks dominate, if they do figure the average point lead of the kong trucks and make that the starting negitive point amount. I.E. after three comps the kong trucks average 100 + ,but under 175point leads then make the handcap 100 points and try that and adjust it every three or four comps until a happy medium can be found. The same would go for the scale trucks they could receive a handicap as well. It just takes a little open mindedness to find an answer to our current delema and get back to having fun!

:mrgreen:

[badger]

Personally, I don't really care anymore if the kongs run in the same class as my TXT/LST's. It just makes me want to drive that much better to beat a rig with kongs.

We are going to have compititions coarses that favor kongs, and others that favor smaller tires with a more narrow WB.

I think we are getting too competitive to early. We have a great group of people interested in crawling in the Bay Area and IMO if we get to serious with the rules it could be intimidating to newbies wanting to start in the crawling comps.

[rckjeep]

ya I agree with Skyjacker and Badger lets give it a few more comps and have some fun.

[Grizzly4x4]

Im not saying 1beatjeeps truck with kongs aint the cats meow, But I am saying with kongs and x factor axels,,, standard fair trucks,(ie txt axels & maxx size tires) dont have a chance. So if you want to beat everyone not by competitive flare ,but shear bigger is better attitude, well there is a class for you :flipoff:

Any thoughts?

In the Colorado/Utah comps nobody with Kongs has ever won. Personally, I think they are a disadvantage. They are not as stable due to the tall sidewall and they raise the CG very much. In our area the Giant Tracs are the problem, they werk much, much better than any other tire. Some people wanted to outlaw them but it got voted down luckily. I say you guys should welcome the challenge of the Kongs, it will make a victory with smaller tires that much better. JMHO. 8)

[bigred]

lets just crawl

[skyjacker_rc_club]

i wish it were that simple young one. :flipoff:

i think i will have two new rigs buy the 16th its going to be sick. 8)

[bigred]

hey i might be showing up with a konged truck or two :flipoff:

[Jeckler]

i wish it were that simple young one. :flipoff:


Says you. If my truck had been running at the time, I probably would've had more fun at rckjeeps spot than the first Seascape crawl. Mtn. View sucked for me personally because I forgot my spare crystals, didn't start until everyone else was getting ready to turn around, then pulled my rear lockout out of the cheesy (literally) stock bumper. If I'd have been prepared, it would have been great.
I'd rather wait a while to work out any handicaps. Let's just crawl.

[rckjeep]

What time are we getting there this time? Remember we don't have as much daylight this time around.

[badger]

Is 10:30am - 11:00am to early? We want to be able to finish the coarse but at the same time some guys (RandyatBBY) have to travel much further then the rest of us.

[WestCoastCrawler]

I think we should start at 9:30 just like that trail ride that was a good time.

[rckjeep]

I was thinking 10am but what ever the earlier the better IMO. Just not before 9am Randy would have to leave around 7am F that.

[WestCoastCrawler]

10am is cool.

[badger]

I can be there by 9:00 so it does not matter to me when we start. I think RandyatBBY should have a say in it though.

[RandyatBBY]

I think I can make it at 9:30 to 10:00 am Just save the group picture for after we all get there. I will have to roost Tom early he is later than me he may have vamp in his vanes :twisted:

[kickback_crawler]

hey randy my emaxx showed up today i going to try and have it trail ready before the 16th. and im i riding down with u i will have one of my daughters with me so if u dont have the room i can just follow u down there ok.

[RandyatBBY]

hey randy my emaxx showed up today i going to try and have it trail ready before the 16th. and im i riding down with u i will have one of my daughters with me so if u dont have the room i can just follow u down there ok.

Cool I will call you
Randy

[bigred]

i would like to start around 10:00 or 11:00 so i can get there ,i dont want to have to get up at 6:00 to get there

[rckjeep]

Red your are in Mtn. View! Why would it take that long to get there?

We need to start early so we can run both courses. it takes some time to run each course when you have 15 rigs.

[bigred]

couse are car only go 25 mph just kidding but could we start at 10:00 please no earlyer

[badger]

I think we can leave the window of showing up at 9:30 - 10:00. You could probably get there by noon and still make the first coarse.

[badger]

1beatjeep,

Who will be judging this event?

Also, are we going to be using the same rules as last time? I heard some complaints about the rule when your truck flips over and have to reposition it, the trucks were repositioned beyond were they flipped.

[1beatjeep]

i will be judging the event and ill need one more person to help out.so we can run both corses at the same time.(any von.)the rules will change just a little bit.THE COMP WILL START AT 9.00AM ON THE 16TH ILL WILL be there at 8am setting up corses.skyjacker can i get the tennis ball that where cut at the last seascape.


when we have sign ins you must have your feq.so we can make two people run at the same time.

any there question just ask.


thanks

[bigred]

hey ibeatjeep my dad could help judge he would like to do that

[skyjacker_rc_club]

ill bring the ball down with me. i can judge too. if you can post the changes you would like to see to the rules and i can print out some new score sheets. ill be there at 8:45 to help out. :D

[badger]

the rules will change just a little bit.
You should post the rules before the event then. I think we should start using the rules that everyone else is using to make it easier for future growth.


THE COMP WILL START AT 9.00AM ON THE 16TH ILL WILL be there at 8am setting up corses.
when we have sign ins you must have your feq.so we can make two people run at the same time.

I guess you did not understand that not everyone can make it by 9:00am. Especially if you have sign in's that require your freq #.

[skyjacker_rc_club]

ya i can see what badger is saying im 5mins from there and i still dont know if i can make it there by 9:00 lol.

i felt the rules were pritty good at the last one but could have been in forced a little stricter. it was the first one and it was more about the fun of crawling with every one then " im going to rip your head of with my LST's and suck out your brains with a twisted maxx driveshaft." lol

[RandyatBBY]

Yes I have been studing the rules on previous pages and If there is a change I definatly like to know.

As for the time I have to drive 1 1/2 hours, so make the sing ins flexable. I am a late bird.
Randy
BBY

[bigred]

, make the sing ins flexable. I am a late bird

me two

[skyjacker_rc_club]

saying we didnt start the comp till 1:30 last time and i was the only judge id say we did pritty good.

[1beatjeep]

ok we will not start the comp intell we have anuff people there.so about the lastest we should start will be at 10am is this ok now.i have pm someone to send the comp rules but he has not send them so we will use the same one from the last comp.ok




richard

[1beatjeep]

wheels you have a pm

[badger]

i have pm someone to send the comp rules but he has not send them so we will use the same one from the last comp.okrichard

What do you guys think about the UTRCRC rules? I like them and more so what there about, having fun.

This quote is from the Compitition Rules thread:
Well hell I can't tell which post to use now :roll: .

Look most of you will be totally unhappy with any rule set that goes into effect so it really doesn't matter which set of rules are used.

I applaud all the guys out there creating all the different types of crawlers and we are in no way trying to stunt the growth of the sport. However there must be limitations to these vehicles. As such UTRCRC will come up with our own set of rules. Yes they will have body limitations, truck specs, gate specs, course specs etc....They will be simple, fair and to the point. If your unhappy with them, then those of you that are running the competitions can modify or use a completely different set of rules 8O . Good on you for doing so....

All the feedback on this forum has been great! Okay, so not all, but most. It's funny how this sport has become so competative. UTRCRC will do our best to keep the fun in this sport at our meets. I think the best way to occomplish this is to no longer offer awards to the top three finishers. Points for bragging rights seems to be good enough. We will continue having the Moab event, but the awards may or may not happen. I found that it was more fun to shoot the bull than competing anyway.

For years I raced R/C, and as I became more and more serious about racing and traveling to Nats and other large races the fun quickly faded away. This is the exact opposite of what we would like to see happen.

Good luck with establishing the rules.

8)

[RandyatBBY]

I would need to see a copy of the UTRCRC rules, Why dont you post them on this thread and we will see if they work. I could search but there is a chance I could goof. If you do it then it is what you are talking about. But lets see

[rckjeep]

Let's just use the rules from before add another judge or two and run with it. I see no reason to change anything this early on. It's comp #2 not 20.

[skyjacker_rc_club]

id have it side with rck one it the second comp the rules we have how will work lets what till later to solve all this crap. I my self am getting sick of all of it. Lets make this fun not about rules thats why i stopped racing. Too many people with a stick up there ass :flipoff:

[badger]

I don't know how many times I have mentioned that the main objective is to have fun. When everyone wants to, I guess we can nail down the "rule" subject. It really should not be this hard.

Here are the rules from the last Seascape comp.

Edited:
**I deleted the old rules as skyjacker has posted updated ones below. **

[skyjacker_rc_club]

when i first typed it There were some problems.

General Rules
Scoring starts at 0pts
Winner is decided by the driver with the most points at the end of the competition
Maximum neg points per gate (-100pts) - except if gate is skipped, then its (-110pts)
Broken parts may be fixed mid course, but if a vehicle can finish broken, hell yeah. Now that's course committment
Gates must be completed in numerical order and in the direction of the course design. No driving to the opposite side of the gate and coming through.


Penalty Points
1 - Reverse "backing up" (-5pts) - Note, entering the course backwards to align up for an obstacle better instantly assesses the reverse penalty.
2 - Rollovers requiring assistance (-20pts) - Vehicle must be placed back on wheels where it landed. If its impossible to drive out of that position, the closest driveable location will be used with another 1pt penalty
3 - Vehicle stuck (-10pts) - When a vehicle is stuck on an obstacle, the minimum amount of movement needed to free the vehicle is allowed with the penalty Movement must be in backwards to the direction of the course. So a driver cannot move the vehicle further forward to be freed.
4 - Hit Gate (-20pts)
5 - Skipped gate (-110pts)
6 - Missed course (Maximum course points based on Skipped gate penalties)

Non Penalty Points
1 - Stops (No Penalty) since a stop really doesn't aide the driver that much.
2 - Rollovers and recovering without assistance (No Penalty)

Bonus Points
1 - Progression gates. (100pts) Each gate is a progression through the course
2 - Bonus lines. (150pts) A course may have a more difficult bonus line that can be attempted, but is not required. However, it would be an alternate to a standard gate.

Course Design
Gates (cones, should be placed in a way where they aren't the obstacle to climb but dictate the course. So it shouldn't be a battle of cones, but a battle of the obstacle.
Gates should be not be narrower than 30 inches apart. The gates define the course designers path.

Vehicle Requirements
Currently Open, but as events occur, a pattern will be seen to where classes should be broken up.

[badger]

1 - Reverse "backing up" (-5pts) - Note, entering the course backwards to align up for an obstacle better instantly assesses the reverse penalty.

Does this mean you cannot backup at all? I like how other rule sets allow you to reverse the length of the vehicle without obtaining any penalty points.

What do you guys think?

[skyjacker_rc_club]

its ment to be you can back up just not to go through a obsticale in rev. :flipoff:

[badger]

its ment to be you can back up just not to go through a obsticale in rev. :flipoff:

What you meant and what you typed are two completly different things. :flipoff:

[RandyatBBY]

Badger do not stress him, he will neve be able to write any thing but gobbly-goop :P

[badger]

Badger do not stress him, he will neve be able to write any thing but gobbly-goop :P

LOL, you are absolutly right Randy!

Ohh mighty Skyjacker, may the judging forces be with you. :lol:

[skyjacker_rc_club]

well screw it some one else do the rules because im over it. F u guys :flipoff:

[RandyatBBY]

well screw it some one else do the rules because im over it. F u guys :flipoff:

Brian my point was to give you some slack not to piss you off. To do what you do you must have thick skin and take everyones opinion with a grane of salt. I run Fast electric races , It is fun a lot of work and some times it gets old. But some one has to do it. So Hang in there and do not give up.
Randy

[badger]

well screw it some one else do the rules because im over it. F u guys :flipoff:

Your mean! I don't want to play with you anymore! :flipoff:

Randy, I think he was joking. 8)

[skyjacker_rc_club]

i was joking but i could snap if youd like me to. lol :flipoff:

ive got a new rig in the shop it looks sick. :D

[rOckhOppEr]

in some places smaller tires can be better,so we should see if we run big konged trucks against txt sized tires and the kongs win then it should be three classes,otherwise it should be two classes. :D

[WestCoastCrawler]

Your a little late on that one. lol :lol:

[rckjeep]

Rockhopper did you see the Seascape spot? the rocks are freakinh huge. The Kongs amde a huge difference but Skyjacker's right F' it lets crawl and quit yappin' We are worse the women we try and avoid when crawling.

[badger]

We are worse the women we try and avoid when crawling.

True Dat!