Toyofast's CC-01 'Jero that goes!

[toyofast]

Picked this up from a fellow ORCRC member a while ago and since then I have not stopped playing with this little rig. I'm not sure why I'm so attached to to but I can't leave it alone.... makes me smile every time I see it.:)

Run down:
-ball bearings
-Spektrum high torque servo
-Tekin 45-turn motor
-RC4WD gear reduction
-old school Super Rooster ESC
-Pro-Line Flatirons on stock Pajero wheels
-3mm "lift" plus preloaded shocks
-Losi shocks in the rear
-Lower rear links mounted high and out of the way on the chassis
-Body is trimmed to fit tires
-Built adjustable upper camber links, has made a difference!
-PNW waterproofed.

Maybe more but minor stuff.

Some pictures!


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Spare is a narrowed stock TLT tire and wheel. It's light, narrow and functional!

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Oh SNAP!! Look at that flex up the stacked tires!

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Here you can see the wider Traxxas hexes that are used to widen the stance ever so slightly. Also if you look near the bottom of the skid plate, close to the lower a-arm you can see a copper spacer which gives me the 3mm "lift". Seems to keep the suspension moving more smoothly, only down fall is that it just mean that the front suspension is 3mm closer to the ground. Not a big deal since this thing seems to wheel pretty good.


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Adjustable upper camber links. Every CC-01 owner should do this easy & cheap mod.

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In the rear you see the Losi shocks and the rear upper links that are next on the chopping block.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3380/3594012961_11538286ae_b.jpg


Videos:
http://vimeo.com/4794756
http://vimeo.com/4666854

[cutlaSS]

Good looking truck. I just got a CC01 and I'll definately do those cheap/free mods. One question, are those TLT suspension stays you're using for lower link/shock mounts?

[toyofast]

Good looking truck. I just got a CC01 and I'll definately do those cheap/free mods. One question, are those TLT suspension stays you're using for lower link/shock mounts?

Yes. Although they look like they would get hung up a lot... I have yet to see it happen, or if it has, I haven't noticed it. One of these days I'll completely re-do the rear suspension but right now it's just too much damn fun to drive.

[pantablo]

Also if you look near the bottom of the skid plate, close to the lower a-arm you can see a copper spacer which gives me the 3mm "lift". ...means that the front suspension is 3mm closer to the ground.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3611/3594012755_871be0a66d_b.jpg



Actually, the distance from ground to center of axle doesnt change and the length of the shock doesnt change so the chassis DOES sit 3mm higher, not 3mm closer to the ground.
I have 2 cc-01's now. One has this chassis lift the other doesnt. I didnt think 3mm would make such a big difference but the one without the lift definitely gets hung up LOTS more.

Nice paj, btw.

[toyofast]

Actually, the distance from ground to center of axle doesnt change and the length of the shock doesnt change so the chassis DOES sit 3mm higher, not 3mm closer to the ground.
I have 2 cc-01's now. One has this chassis lift the other doesnt. I didnt think 3mm would make such a big difference but the one without the lift definitely gets hung up LOTS more.

Nice paj, btw.



Correct... Now, just finding a way to add longer lower a-arms and some CVD's to top it off.

[schlabinski]

Nice work Brett. I'm glad you finally took the time to stop driving it and take some more pictures. I look forward to seeing what you do with it!

[toyofast]

Nice work Brett. I'm glad you finally took the time to stop driving it and take some more pictures. I look forward to seeing what you do with it!



I'm really set on getting something built for the front suspension, it has so much room for improvement. The rear is pretty decent once to replace all the plastic links with real links.

[xEL Chupacabrax]

this is the coolest CC-01 i have seen, it has inspired me to build one.. i may have missed it but what is the front bumper off of? and any updates?

[pardonmyn00b]

this is the coolest CC-01 i have seen, it has inspired me to build one.. i may have missed it but what is the front bumper off of? and any updates?

i believe thats an hpi savage front bumper

[toyofast]

this is the coolest CC-01 i have seen, it has inspired me to build one.. i may have missed it but what is the front bumper off of? and any updates?

i believe thats an hpi savage front bumper

Correct.


Updates coming soon... just have a couple of videos to edit up before I do stuff for myself:mrgreen:

[toyofast]

Out playing tonight and lost a nut. Just as I was getting it awn to get out of the water/mud..... Front end bounced and stopped.





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[pantablo]

looks good as a J top...I enjoyed mine.

[toyofast]

looks good as a J top...I enjoyed mine.

I just chopped it the other day and I'm now trying to convince myself I like it. I think I'll add that "fast back" look to it and cut out the back and stuff 2 spare tires standing vertical in the back... sort of Dakar Rally like.

[EeePee]

I don't like it.

[toyofast]

I don't like it.

Cry baby

[EeePee]

You're the one who effed it up.

[toyofast]

You're the one who effed it up.


I was drinking that Natty Ice crap, it made me do it.

[wamf]

I saw a Pajero just like that and ever since then I wanted one. Just found out the other day that yours was the one I saw (before it was yours)
Sure is a small world.
P.S. The chopped top looks ok.
MikeV

[EeePee]

I was drinking that Natty Ice crap, it made me do it.

Mmmmmmmm. Good stuff.

The chopped top looks ok.

See, he doesn't like it either.

[ToTheMAXXcrawler]

I personally like it. Its a different look. Throw those spare tires like you said you were thinking about and it would def. look good! Or put like a back half roll cage on it like the jeeps have.

[nascarkeith]

Looks good! I think I am going to have to try that lift on the a-arms. I have been running that Savage bumper on mine but recently took it off to get a better approach angle at an upcoming comp. I like they way yours is mounted up high like that. I bet it doesn't hurt your approach at all.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j22/nascarkeith/Pajero/skid.jpg

[toyofast]

Looks good! I think I am going to have to try that lift on the a-arms. I have been running that Savage bumper on mine but recently took it off to get a better approach angle at an upcoming comp. I like they way yours is mounted up high like that. I bet it doesn't hurt your approach at all.





I think it still gets in the way too often. I'd like to move it back closer to the grill/headlights but that means the winch would have to get stuck inside the grill and I don't want to cut the grill out yet.
Although, it's just plastic.

[constantmotion]

Looks good. How much weight are you running in your wheels? Are you running the RC4WD 4:1 GR?

[toyofast]

Looks good. How much weight are you running in your wheels? Are you running the RC4WD 4:1 GR?


I have about 4-6oz up in the nose section of the chassis and I have about 4oz in each wheel up front.

Yes, I am running the 4:1 RC4WD unit. Seems to be working great as long as I maintain it. I apply grease after about 10-12 runs and it helps to keep the noise down.



Only issue I have been having is that the top gear case, the one that holds the motor and all the gears in place tends flex and allow the gears to skip/grind. I think the only thing to stop it is to have an aluminum tub and an aluminum top case... no flexing from that.

I drive this thing for about 2 hours each night in my backyard course. It seems to be holding up really well other than the top gear case issue.

[isuzu4x4]

I have about 4-6oz up in the nose section of the chassis and I have about 4oz in each wheel up front.

Yes, I am running the 4:1 RC4WD unit. Seems to be working great as long as I maintain it. I apply grease after about 10-12 runs and it helps to keep the noise down.



Only issue I have been having is that the top gear case, the one that holds the motor and all the gears in place tends flex and allow the gears to skip/grind. I think the only thing to stop it is to have an aluminum tub and an aluminum top case... no flexing from that.

I drive this thing for about 2 hours each night in my backyard course. It seems to be holding up really well other than the top gear case issue.


I told you u need to put bolts thru the cover with nuts.

[toyofast]

I told you u need to put bolts thru the cover with nuts.


I know, I know. I just don't like having to do that extra work. Doing that adds like an extra 5 minutes to removing the motor:mrgreen:

I did replace all the coarse thread Tamiya screws with nice 3mm hardware. Longer screws that hold onto more plastic. So far the last couple packs through it I haven't heard a gear slip. Although my new mud pit in my backyard course doesn't cause much of an issue since the tires can't reach the bottom"thumbsup" They just spin.

[cartronicshn]

I know, I know. I just don't like having to do that extra work. Doing that adds like an extra 5 minutes to removing the motor:mrgreen:

I did replace all the coarse thread Tamiya screws with nice 3mm hardware. Longer screws that hold onto more plastic. So far the last couple packs through it I haven't heard a gear slip. Although my new mud pit in my backyard course doesn't cause much of an issue since the tires can't reach the bottom"thumbsup" They just spin.
That's what i did on my fj cruiser /cc-01, i am running and og revolver with the gd-600 reduction unit and i stripped some gears from the flexing of the motor/gear case cover, i put new gears in it and oversized bolts and it has been running strong since"thumbsup"

[toyofast]

Carnage update....

-Even with longer 3mm screws, I can't keep the gears from slipping when going in reverse, perhaps some fresh gears might solve the problem.

-Both dogbones are trashed. They were slightly bent but now, they are beyond help. As of right now, I have a 2wd Pajero. Until I can come up with a redesigned front suspension that uses better dogbones or possibly some CVD's, this thing is going to sit on the shelf.... kills me to say or even do that because this is the MOST fun rig I have ever had.

-Pulled out an upper camber link. I think the threads were too short and along with the overly bent dogbones, it just cause it to completely fail.


Pictures!



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Talk about some sweet flex!

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[constantmotion]

Go with some TA-02 universals. They work really good. Only place that I can find them in overseas, though.

http://www.rcmart.com/catalog/rc-ta01-ta02-yeah-racing-universal-steel-swing-shaft-ta01ta02-ta01015bk-p-27604.html?cPath=595_744_754

I am gonna also get some black axle carriers.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380121158952&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&salenotsupported

[toyofast]

Go with some TA-02 universals. They work really good. Only place that I can find them in overseas, though.

http://www.rcmart.com/catalog/rc-ta01-ta02-yeah-racing-universal-steel-swing-shaft-ta01ta02-ta01015bk-p-27604.html?cPath=595_744_754




Will those work? Between the 3mm lift and preloaded shocks the angles are awful on my rig... that's why I keep looking for the cheap and easy way to add wider A-arms and better dogbones or CVD's.

I'll keep those in mind if I decided to give up on my plans. Thanks for the link!

[jinspade]

Carnage update....

-Even with longer 3mm screws, I can't keep the gears from slipping when going in reverse, perhaps some fresh gears might solve the problem.

-Both dogbones are trashed. They were slightly bent but now, they are beyond help. As of right now, I have a 2wd Pajero. Until I can come up with a redesigned front suspension that uses better dogbones or possibly some CVD's, this thing is going to sit on the shelf.... kills me to say or even do that because this is the MOST fun rig I have ever had.

-Pulled out an upper camber link. I think the threads were too short and along with the overly bent dogbones, it just cause it to completely fail.


Pictures!



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Talk about some sweet flex!

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Do all stock cc01 face this risk? I certainly don't want mine to end up like this... Are there upgrade kits that can be considered as an investment on the long run?

[constantmotion]

Will those work? Between the 3mm lift and preloaded shocks the angles are awful on my rig... that's why I keep looking for the cheap and easy way to add wider A-arms and better dogbones or CVD's.

I'll keep those in mind if I decided to give up on my plans. Thanks for the link!

They should work fine. You might will have to run an o-ring or two on the diff side.

[blackfoot]

Do all stock cc01 face this risk? I certainly don't want mine to end up like this... Are there upgrade kits that can be considered as an investment on the long run?
No, He has oversized tires, suspension lift(causing alot of stress on the entire front susp and dogbones) and home build camber links. The stock setup will handle alot of abuse before you have to worry about anything like this happening.

[toyofast]

Do all stock cc01 face this risk? I certainly don't want mine to end up like this... Are there upgrade kits that can be considered as an investment on the long run?

No, He has oversized tires, suspension lift(causing alot of stress on the entire front susp and dogbones) and home build camber links. The stock setup will handle alot of abuse before you have to worry about anything like this happening.



Yep.

I log about 2 hours a day on this CC-01, well... until yesterday I guess. :ror: I guess this is the price to pay for modifying a rig though. It's all good. I actually drove the 2.2 rig for about 10 minutes before I got bored. First time I've driven that in about 2-3 weeks.:mrgreen:

[toyofast]

Okay....

This is the 3rd dogbone that has gone "south" on me. I do drive this thing a lot and I just find it funny that I keep having the same issue over and over yet hardly ever hear of anyone else doing this to their CC-01 rig.



(Left) Brand new unit, less than 2 minutes of drive time on XL Trail Doctors. (Center) Rather abuse unit that is bent plus slightly twisted. (Right) Very slightly bent but twisted, hard to see in picture but twisted a good 60*.

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Now, tonight the one that actually broke might be due to my modification to allow for a little bit more steering. I was able to actually make it turn pretty damn good. By cutting into the C-hub and removing the steering stop and a little extra, the knuckles will actually move a decent distance.... might be too much steering for the stock dogbone setup though:mrgreen:


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[toyofast]

swingshafts may or maynot fix it.. how in the HECK did you shear a dogbone off? Not like these things have steels gears do they?

I know you didn't read the thread, you've made 20+ posts in the last hour or so.

[willashcroft]

I personally love the pick up look.
Thats what i have done with mine.
It needs a new paint job though. :shock:
http://www.ukrcrc.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_IMAG0021.JPG

[cartronicshn]

Okay....

.... I was able to actually make it turn pretty damn good. By cutting into the C-hub and removing the steering stop and a little extra, the knuckles will actually move a decent distance.... might be too much steering for the stock dogbone setup though:mrgreen:


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/3714927531_aae9e443a5.jpg
Do go into detail on this mod, i am very interested and would do it to my fj cruiser"thumbsup", cvd's would be a must i think.

[toyofast]

I personally love the pick up look.
Thats what i have done with mine.
It needs a new paint job though. :shock:
http://www.ukrcrc.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_IMAG0021.JPG

That looks great. What did you use as panels to seal it off? I haven't closed mine off yet since I can't decide how or what style I want to go with.... Half-cab it like yours, hard shell fast back, soft top fast back style or full on soft top.


Do go into detail on this mod, i am very interested and would do it to my fj cruiser"thumbsup", cvd's would be a must i think.

I'll I did was grind down the turn stops on the backside of the C-hubs and adjust the tierods so that it has a bit of toe in. Between the two, it seems to allow more steering throw in either direction. Now, just need to fix the whole steering mechanics on this little rig. I think I might have a good idea but I'll have to think it out in order to execute it properly.



Here's where I shaved down the stops....


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[cartronicshn]

Thanks"thumbsup"

[BGGruff]

Nice Pajero! Man you've been running that thing hard. I like the mods you've done, thanks for the ideas."thumbsup"

[toyofast]

Nice Pajero! Man you've been running that thing hard. I like the mods you've done, thanks for the ideas."thumbsup"

There's more, just waiting on the delivery of more parts that I hope will work. I keep spending money on this thing without ever making too much progress. I feel like it's 2003 again! Spending money on testing things and having to start over.

[toyofast]

First round of decent upgrades showed up, although a couple of the other parts are not fitting as I'd like so it's going to stay "stock" like this for at least a week so I can take it camping tomorrow.

In the pictures you'll see,

- Yeah Racing TA01-006BU Knuckles
- Yeah Racing TA01-015BK Steel CVDs
- Tamiya Aluminum King Pins #53157
- Qty 4, 5x11 rubber shielded bearings

It all went together very easy. Smooth working parts and everything is very light weight, but much stronger than the stock plastic. So far after only about 25 minutes of drive time I see that steering works much better and no binding while turning to full lock, even with the extra steering throw.

Very worth while upgrade and can't beat the price!! I got everything but the bearings from RCmart.com and coming from China I thought it'd take a couple weeks, took 4 business days to get to me! I was caught off guard when it showed up.



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[EeePee]

so I can take it camping tomorrow.

Tuesday starts the weekend!

[toyofast]

Tuesday starts the weekend!

Just need to organize gear for the family, and stock up on beer... I mean food.

[pardonmyn00b]

Give those parts a good thrashing and report back to us. I just slipped a dog bone today and the truck came to a screeching halt. Jammed up the steering servo. Those cvds will probably make a big difference.

[toyofast]

Give those parts a good thrashing and report back to us. I just slipped a dog bone today and the truck came to a screeching halt. Jammed up the steering servo. Those cvds will probably make a big difference.


I'll do my best to break, err.. test these for durability in my CC-01 rig.

[BGGruff]

Now that's what I'm talking about! Nice upgrades...I'm addicted to shiny colored aluminum but they look like they'll work nicely and should hold up well. Looks like I'll be investing in some new parts. Thanks for the part numbers."thumbsup"

[toyofast]

Now that's what I'm talking about! Nice upgrades...I'm addicted to shiny colored aluminum but they look like they'll work nicely and should hold up well. Looks like I'll be investing in some new parts. Thanks for the part numbers."thumbsup"

I'm not too excited over the blue color but figure I can change it if/when I wanted. Best part about these parts is that they are cheap, easy to get and fit perfectly.



NOTE... After a bit more run time out of these CVDs I've noticed that the pins were trying to work themselves out. I'd highly suggest slipping some shrink wrap around them to prevent this from happening at the initial install.

[4drmopar]

check the cvd's after each run. The Yeah racing axles have a tandacyt o use cheaper and softer steel. Until we actualyl measure using stock cups, we are stuck using that stuff for teh Yeah Racing / Dinball TT-01 conversion (whole new car minus a gear retainer clip and a few screws) and in the TA-02. We go thru a bone a run if we roll the car at all

[toyofast]

check the cvd's after each run. The Yeah racing axles have a tandacyt o use cheaper and softer steel.



If they don't look bent, everything will be fine.


I figure that if it comes down to it, fitting the TLT CVD's shouldn't be too hard, just need to swap knuckles, add a different output from the front diff and cut down the shafts to the correct length. I just don't want to spend that much money yet.

[toyofast]

Here's how it turns now! I have to actually adjust the EPAs on the radio cause it turns too sharp and rubs the chassis.



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[cartronicshn]

:shock: awesome turning capabilty, be careful when in a bind though, i am excited to do this mod to my fj cruiser, the montero will be next"thumbsup"

[toyofast]

:shock: awesome turning capabilty, be careful when in a bind though, i am excited to do this mod to my fj cruiser, the montero will be next"thumbsup"

When it gets bound up the transmission gears tend to "grind" or slip on me. I need to drop in some fresh gears to solve the problem but the front end was much more fun to play with.


I think I really want to try TLT CVDs to beef up the strength.

[4drmopar]

Whats involved with the TLT shafts etc?? This a mod with a HOW-TO posted online anywhere?

[toyofast]

Whats involved with the TLT shafts etc?? This a mod with a HOW-TO posted online anywhere?


If there was an online "how-to" it'd be here on RCC. I'm building this thing like it is 2003/2004 all over again. Perhaps that's why I'm addicted to this thing. Forget those bolt-on things.

[BGGruff]

Don't get me wrong the color of the knuckles could be better but like you said the price and the fact that they fit so well is worth it.
Man the steering on that thing now is awesome! I need this mod for sure now.
Since you're doing such a great job with all your mods when you decide to do the TLT cvds post up some pics and a little instruction so we can see what and how your doing it."thumbsup" Much appreciated! Keep it up!

[toyofast]

Don't get me wrong the color of the knuckles could be better but like you said the price and the fact that they fit so well is worth it.
Man the steering on that thing now is awesome! I need this mod for sure now.
Since you're doing such a great job with all your mods when you decide to do the TLT cvds post up some pics and a little instruction so we can see what and how your doing it."thumbsup" Much appreciated! Keep it up!

If and when I step it up to either TLT CVDs or another style(Axial?) setup... I'll be sure to start a new thread and show what and how I did it. I'll have to be sure to use some wider a-arms though, not much room for larger axles in that small space.

[constantmotion]

Did those knuckles bump up out any wider than stock?

[toyofast]

Did those knuckles bump up out any wider than stock?

No. It's just an illusion since they are half the size of the stock units.

[constantmotion]

That's the same CVDs that I got and the stubs are about 3-4mm wider than the stock setup.

[4drmopar]

could I get a better pic or two of the way yer rear shocks mount on the axle? thanks in advance! :)

[toyofast]

That's the same CVDs that I got and the stubs are about 3-4mm wider than the stock setup.


Just remember that XC/CC-01 stuff is different than TA02 parts, especially the axles and knuckles. I didn't even compare the stock parts to the TA02 parts. It just went together without a problem. I didn't notice any effects of the rig being any wider, seems the same to me.

[toyofast]

Okay... ran the 'Jero for a decent amount today, sand, rocks, mud and water. Many drops onto the front end and many times it was hopping. The Pajero was working great, then I noticed the right front wheel not turning. The actual CVD joint is fine, the shaft is slightly bent and I sheared the pins off the dogbone end at the differential output.


Although you can't see it in the picture, but the shaft is bent and looks more like the pin just fell out. The hole appears to be slightly oval shaped but I should be able to get another pin into it.

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Even with the couple of issues I've had with these Yeah Racing CVDs, I'm still happy with them. Now that I think about it... Before I ran the Pajero this morning I actually preloaded that right front shock a bit more. Perhaps that was one reason why the shaft is bent, too much preload on the shocks not allowing the axles to ride where they should.

[toyofast]

So...


I feel that it's time to test another type of axle in this neat-0 rig. I have a set of these on the way to test and I'll see if I can break them next. :ror:


http://www.asiatees.com/pic_loader.php?size=2&large=1&w=530&h=410&id=3439&html=1

[constantmotion]

Where you find these at?

****EDIT****
NM found them

http://www.asiatees.com/display.php?id=150&brand=Tamiya&model=TA02&pid=1

[constantmotion]

The stubs look long on the silvers ones vs. the blue ones.

http://www.asiatees.com/pic_loader.php?id=1840&size=1http://www.asiatees.com/pic_loader.php?id=3439&size=1

The silver ones look like the ones you currently have and the Yeah racing ones that I have. They don't have the step up on the spindle like the blue ones for the larger 6x12 bearing. Your new aluminum knuckles uses 2 5x11 bearing, right? Maybe that's why my shafts were too long..needed different knuckles, they were seating to deep in the knuckles.

Found this list of different knuckles:
TA01 Rear Knuckle (x2) 1150 bearings
TA01 Front Knuckle (x2) 1150 bearings

TA02 Rear Knuckle (x2) 1150 bearings
TA02 Front Knuckle (x1) 1510 bearing (x1) 1260 bearing

TA03 Rear Knuckle (x1) 1510 bearing (x1) 1260 bearing
TA03 Front Knuckle (x1) 1510 bearing (x1) 1260 bearing

CC01 FRONT=TA02 FRONT=TA03 FRONT

[killswitch]

Found this list of different knuckles:
TA01 Rear Knuckle (x2) 1150 bearings
TA01 Front Knuckle (x2) 1150 bearings

TA02 Rear Knuckle (x2) 1150 bearings
TA02 Front Knuckle (x1) 1510 bearing (x1) 1260 bearing

TA03 Rear Knuckle (x1) 1510 bearing (x1) 1260 bearing
TA03 Front Knuckle (x1) 1510 bearing (x1) 1260 bearing

CC01 FRONT=TA02 FRONT=TA03 FRONT

The difference between the silver and blue axles are the silver ones are for a TA02W. They used different knuckles and axles compared to the narrow TA02. TA03 uses the exact same dogbones and stub axles. I cross referenced everything in an old tamiya dealer parts manual. TA03 CVDs from MIP are still floating around. I got my set from Sheldons Hobbies on feebay. Im waiting on my new kit to get here to install them but they slid right into whats left of my old XC.

[constantmotion]

I got my set from Sheldons Hobbies on feebay.

I went the Sheldons Hobbies website and sent him an email about the MIP parts with part #'s to see if he had anymore, but never heard back from him.

[killswitch]

I went the Sheldons Hobbies website and sent him an email about the MIP parts with part #'s to see if he had anymore, but never heard back from him.

I couldnt find them on their website either, but heres the link to them on feebay. this guy has a lot of NOS parts for sale on feebay.

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/SheldonsHobbies__W0QQ_dmdZ1QQ_sidZ410734914QQ_vcZ1 ?_nkw=mip+ta03

Stick with the shiny ones... I seriously doubt that the aluminum bones would hold up to crawling. I never had any long term dependability from them racing off road.

[toyofast]

The silver axles were not in stock hence the reason I didn't order those. Plus, if the blue units are wider, I'll run my wider front A-arms and hope they fit the width.

Another thing..... who else with a CC-01 is ordering these things to test? I have some MIP CVDs that almost fit, just have to find the right bearings and correct length A-arms.

[killswitch]

The silver axles were not in stock hence the reason I didn't order those. Plus, if the blue units are wider, I'll run my wider front A-arms and hope they fit the width.

Another thing..... who else with a CC-01 is ordering these things to test? I have some MIP CVDs that almost fit, just have to find the right bearings and correct length A-arms.

I have all kinds of old touring car parts from hpi and tamiya. what kinda a arm length are you looking for?

[constantmotion]

The difference between the silver and blue axles are the silver ones are for a TA02W. They used different knuckles and axles compared to the narrow TA02.

Not sure about that. I would think that would be labeled as W or Wide. They could be for the rear since the rear carriers use are the different. Well, that's what I bought from RCMart and now stuck with em. Sheldon's Hobbies is missing one of the stub axles :evil::evil::evil:

Toyo....Those that you bought should work fine with the stock carriers.

[toyofast]

Toyo....Those that you bought should work fine with the stock carriers.



If not... oh well. I think this is actually fun! It's like 2003/2004 all over again when nothing was available for a crawler. I don't care for the plastic goods on the CC-01, I hope GPM can step up the plate and make some neat stuff.


Another thing, I bought some dogbones that were labeled for the TA02W and they fit perfectly... not sure what was up with that.

[killswitch]

Not sure about that. I would think that would be labeled as W or Wide. They could be for the rear since the rear carriers use are the different. Well, that's what I bought from RCMart and now stuck with em. Sheldon's Hobbies is missing one of the stub axles :evil::evil::evil:

Toyo....Those that you bought should work fine with the stock carriers.

that sucks they are out of stubs. they had 5 or 6 when I ordered mine. I wish I had bought a spare now... Ill dig thru that tamiya parts book and see what else uses that stub axle. I think the TGX did but im not sure that MIP sold a cvd kit for that chassis.

[toyofast]

UPDATE!!! UPDATE!!!


Got the GPM Racing TA02 Universals and holy crap... they are a direct replacement to the stock parts, no bearings needed or different knuckles required. They fit like they were made for the CC-01 setup.

This is what I have....

http://www.asiatees.com/pic_loader.php?size=2&large=1&w=530&h=410&id=3439&html=1

Where I got them. Only took about 4 business days, not to shabby and on par with RCMart shipping times.
http://www.asiatees.com/display.php?id=150&brand=Tamiya&model=TA02&pid=1


The angle doesn't seem to go as far and still work as smoothly as the CVDs but being a direct replacement is pretty cool. I think I'd rather have steel units but I'll have to do my punishment thing on the CC-01 again to see how well these units hold up.


Headed out to the garage to swap the stock knuckles back over and take the rig out to play!

[pantablo]

cool, so what do these give you, more turning?

[constantmotion]

cool, so what do these give you, more turning?

Yep

[toyofast]

cool, so what do these give you, more turning?

That's my hope and being one unit, those that experience dogbones popping out, this would stop that from happening.

[pardonmyn00b]

Did you already break the Yeah Racing ones?

[toyofast]

Did you already break the Yeah Racing ones?

Sort of....:oops::mrgreen: I have bent one and lost a cross pin on the end of the shaft, one close to differential. Only issue so far.




Okay... drove it, don't like it as much as the Yeah Racing CVDs. Looks like in order for these to help gain any sort of steering, I'll have to modify the stock plastic knuckles. The forward side and back side of the knuckle acts like a turn stop when trying to go to full left or full right. Too much material in the way. You notice how the TA02 Yeah Racing aluminum knuckles have the notches on the knuckles, that's what has to be done to the stock CC-01 units for these to help.

I do like how nice they just drop in without any issues. I'll have to keep playing and try to break them. Being a GPM part and them now looking at making parts for the CC-01, if they were to make a new aluminum knuckle that has the front/back sides cut out to allow tighter steering..... that'd be the hot ticket to match up with these universal shafts.

[constantmotion]

But you can get a little bit more steering with risking the dogbone popping out/bending....especially if you have already modded the steering knuckles to give ya a little bit more down travel.

[toyofast]

But you can get a little bit more steering with risking the dogbone popping out/bending....especially if you have already modded the steering knuckles to give ya a little bit more down travel.

Yeah... So far no issues other than I need to modify the stock knuckles to allow for more steering. I have high hopes for these GPM universals. I plan to test them as much as I can this week after work.

[BGGruff]

Great update! Nice work as usual. I'm glad to hear these results b/c I've just got mine up and running and experienced the dogbones popping out. I took some extra o rings and stuffed them up in the axles and works so far. I'll have to get some of these for sure.

[toyofast]

Well... I took a few weeks off from driving any RC's and tonight I decided to charge up a 3 cell and run the Pajero around.

Everything was going great until I blipped the throttle to get around a rock. As the Pajero made it around the edge of the rock, the left front tire went sky high and I hit the brakes..... that's the same moment when I saw a flash of blue hit the dirt and the left front tire spin like crazy.


Those GPM aluminum universal shafts twisted and snapped. The joints seem to be okay, one of the pins started to work it's way out but push it back in and add a dab of CA it'll stay in place. Good thing I have a spare GPM shaft and a spare Yeah Racing CVD shaft.



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[romulus22]

this thing is an axle breaking machine :shock:

[toyofast]

this thing is an axle breaking machine :shock:

Tell me about it! I don't think I ever broke this many TLT axles from back in the day. I need to get back into gear with this rig and try to make the IFS work correctly and stand up to MY abuse. So far I'm getting about 2-3 battery packs per axle breakage. :mrgreen:

[blackfoot]

Damn dude, what kind of terrain do you run on? I have never broke a single part on either of mine. I know your huge ass tires are not helping matters any. I run Trail Docs on my Defender and it weighs in at just a few oz's under 8lbs and my other truck runs Outlanders. I whoop the piss outta them both and never have broke anything on either.

[toyofast]

Damn dude, what kind of terrain do you run on? I have never broke a single part on either of mine. I know your huge ass tires are not helping matters any. I run Trail Docs on my Defender and it weighs in at just a few oz's under 8lbs and my other truck runs Outlanders. I whoop the piss outta them both and never have broke anything on either.

I really don't think it's the tires. The Pro-Line rubber actually makes life easier for the CC-01 drivetrain IMO. I tend to drive pretty slow and easy with the Flatirons since they walk up most obsticles. Now... If I slap on the Trail Docs, Rock Crushers or even tiny(yet fat) stock TLT tires... I have to drive a bit harder since they don't have as much grip as the Pro-Line rubber. Lots of bouncing and full throttle attacks at things.

I have broken front axles with the Flatirons, RC4wd Crushers, Trail Docs and even the stock TLT tires. Flatirons have no weight added, Trail Docs are the heavy SOBs with about 8oz for the fronts and 4oz for the rears, RC4WD tires have no weight and the stock TLT tires are just silly fat.

I can't be the ONLY one out there having this many issues with front axles!

[pantablo]

I think its unusual to say the least!

[pardonmyn00b]

I can't be the ONLY one out there having this many issues with front axles!

I bent a stock one, but the yeah racing ones are holding up for me.

[toyofast]

I think its unusual to say the least!


Maybe something is tweaked with my front end. It just seems odd that I keep breaking axles. Time to remove the 3mm lift to see if that will help ease up the breakage. That's really the only thing I can think of that is causing a possible issue..... Maybe I should just try to SAS this little rig and go pick up another CC-01 and start over..

I bent a stock one, but the yeah racing ones are holding up for me.


Any issues with loosing any cross pins? That's one issue I keep having with the Yeah Racing CVDs. Either a cross pin at the CVD joint or the pin on the "dogbone" side of the axle. I have CA holding them in now.

[spankrjs]

Check this thread out for some axle/cvd compatability info"thumbsup"

http://www.scale4x4rc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28240&highlight=cc01%3D

I did all this research one day when I was bored. I think any FRONT TA02 or FRONT TA03 CVDS will work, if you can find them. Make sure they are for the front, NOT the rear"thumbsup"

I found these on ebay a while back, but I think they cost me $60:shock:

http://www.scale4x4rc.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38193&stc=1&d=1231335098

[spankrjs]

I bought those Tamiya CVD's for a Pajero I built, but I sold the Pajero before I ever converted over to CVD's. I got a new ReRelease CC01 Wrangler to build, I will put them in that and see how they hold up"thumbsup"

[toyofast]

I bought those Tamiya CVD's for a Pajero I built, but I sold the Pajero before I ever converted over to CVD's. I got a new ReRelease CC01 Wrangler to build, I will put them in that and see how they hold up"thumbsup"

One of our guys has the Tamiya universals in his CC-01. Yes they will bolt in but since they still use the stock knuckles, your steering is limited versus the TA-02 knuckles that I'm running. My Yeah Racing CVDs have lost pins and have some slight bends in them but overall holding up much better than the stock dogbones and the GPM aluminum universals pictured above.

My main goal is to widen the front suspension, longer a-arms, longer shocks and easier to find CVDs that will hold up to MY abuse. I already have som MIP CVDs that I want to use but it's finding some a-arms to work with them... or I have to make my own arms, which I'm starting to lean towards.

[spankrjs]

I have some kinda made in China aluminum TA03 knuckles that look similar to yours, but I think they are for the rear. The aluminum knuckles I have just have 1 hole in them for a turnbuckle vs the two holes that yours have. I am going to see if they fit, if they dont, I will trim down some stock plastic knuckles to get more steering throw."thumbsup"

[TheHeadHunter]

toyofast Your videos are some of the best in RCC , pleasure to watch"thumbsup"

[lowslowTJ]

I already have som MIP CVDs that I want to use but it's finding some a-arms to work with them... or I have to make my own arms, which I'm starting to lean towards.

please share the details on these shafts...I would be happy to try to make some longer arms!

[toyofast]

toyofast Your videos are some of the best in RCC , pleasure to watch"thumbsup"

Hey, thanks! Means a lot when folks actually make a note to tell me. That's what keeps my going forward with making them. Thank you.

please share the details on these shafts...I would be happy to try to make some longer arms!

They are MIP, longer than the Yeah Racing but not by too much. Just need to increase the width of the stock arms by about 10-12mm longer or so.

[Junkz0r]

I'm a little bit confused.. For the CC01's what is better for the purposes used here the standard dogbone and stub axles or CVD's??

[toyofast]

I'm a little bit confused.. For the CC01's what is better for the purposes used here the standard dogbone and stub axles or CVD's??

CVD's hands down. My steering is freaking awesome. Just have to improve or reinvent the steering linkage to keep it predictable throughout it's full steering movement.

[toyofast]

Okay... I swear it wasn't my fault!





Yeah Racing CVD finally gave up the ghost. Out of all honesty, the Yeah Racing CVDs have been the best upgrade, along with the TA02 aluminum knuckles. It wouldn't have broke but I was pulling a stupid full throttle stunt with it bound up pretty bad.



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2541/3917018323_830f248f1e_b.jpg

[4drmopar]

ITs amazing that the plastic gears are still holding up strong! :)

[toyofast]

ITs amazing that the plastic gears are still holding up strong! :)

On that note.... forward motion is fine, except when the front gets bound up when it'll skip a gear or two. Going in reverse is a touchy thing. With a 6-cell stick pack, reverse is mostly grinding sounds. With the Lipo, reverse is do-able...probably due to the less weight on the chassis.


Next round of parts will be new transmission gears, few pairs of Yeah Racing CVDs and some RC4WD tires.

[spankrjs]

Hey toyofast

You aren't kidding about the TA02 knuckles and the TA01 CVD's"thumbsup"

The increased steering with these parts is silly"thumbsup"

Looks like it was a good thing I bought an extra set of CVD's for spares:mrgreen:

[BoltSpeedman]

thanks guys now i know what i need to order for my jero

[snax]

i dont get how your chomping through axels like this...i run a pretty stock pajero with trail docs on it. ive never twisted an axle and i do both slow steady crawls and high wheel speed uphill roosts. The only problem ive encountered is my rear differential keeps coming apart. (the 3 screws keep backing out because i never locktite them)
is this happening because of your increased steering throw? are you trying to bust wheelies from reverse to foreward (mine does) ima noob an i wanna make sure that i dont start destroying parts because i have zero patience for replacing brokend things. (that means bye bye tmaxx) is this possibly because of the mods the the a-arms youve made?

[toyofast]

i dont get how your chomping through axels like this...i run a pretty stock pajero with trail docs on it. ive never twisted an axle and i do both slow steady crawls and high wheel speed uphill roosts. The only problem ive encountered is my rear differential keeps coming apart. (the 3 screws keep backing out because i never locktite them)
is this happening because of your increased steering throw? are you trying to bust wheelies from reverse to foreward (mine does) ima noob an i wanna make sure that i dont start destroying parts because i have zero patience for replacing brokend things. (that means bye bye tmaxx) is this possibly because of the mods the the a-arms youve made?



When I run my rig, I use it pretty hard. Not always full throttle attacks on hills and such, that 4:1 and 45 turn motor don't allow much for speed.... But as I'm crawling slow, I have quite a bit of steering throw and those are the times when I break or bend an axle shaft. I can't really explain how I do it.

If you have zero patience for fixing broken parts or doing repairs... then crawling thing isn't going to be for you.

[[707]KRU]

good

[Flowmastered87GL]

I have MIP CVD's in mine.... I doubt they make em anymore, but they have held up for... hmmmm 10+ years :mrgreen:

[snax]

When I run my rig, I use it pretty hard. Not always full throttle attacks on hills and such, that 4:1 and 45 turn motor don't allow much for speed.... But as I'm crawling slow, I have quite a bit of steering throw and those are the times when I break or bend an axle shaft. I can't really explain how I do it.

If you have zero patience for fixing broken parts or doing repairs... then crawling thing isn't going to be for you.


its not that i have no patience, let me reword it, i have little patience for constant problems, such as twisting axles over and over and over. it must be in the steering throw then, because i get my wheels jammed up in places and usually torque my way out of it. there is no hand of god in mine and crunks scaling adventures "thumbsup"

[toyofast]

its not that i have no patience, let me reword it, i have little patience for constant problems, such as twisting axles over and over and over. it must be in the steering throw then, because i get my wheels jammed up in places and usually torque my way out of it. there is no hand of god in mine and crunks scaling adventures "thumbsup"


I was breaking the stock axles before any real modifications started, other than 3mm spacer lift and preloaded shocks. Had fewer issues since I started using the Yeah Racing CVD's and aluminum knuckles.

I think I have had some good luck with breaking front axles... I think it was a good thing really...... see the support GPM has given us? I'll take the credit for that, thank you:mrgreen: If it wasn't for me breaking things, I never would have initially contacted GPM and started the support train I did here on RCC.

[toyofast]

Okay.... GPM steering time. First off I'd like to thank everyone that helped get GPM onto the crawling scene and especially the CC-01 scene. With GPM becoming a player in the CC-01 world only means they will soon see the rest of the crawling world.


I received my steering kit a few days ago but with the recent McNugget drama, I put it on hold for the install. So, today I took a break from nugget mania and sat down with the CC-01 rig.



First up... Could they use more tape to secure the package? Crap. Second... how can the Chinese write their letters/words in that small of a space and still understand what it says. I could only make out my name.


Pictures and some captions.....


I received the black anodized version.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2520/4057731782_e6f676aa58_b.jpg


After looking at the hardware included, I decided to use my own. I can't stand phillips head screws.

Here's the pile I started with...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3505/4057732486_e18ab06ff0_b.jpg

Lower suspension off and look at how nasty it is under there!:mrgreen:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2606/4056993645_24106eb003_b.jpg



Underside installed and almost finished up. That black color lacks the bling factor... that's alright, I'm not a flashy guy.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3481/4056994645_52f7d913f1_b.jpg



First problem. Using the stock mounting hardware that came with the Pajero on the GPM steering, I seem to be short for connecting the tie-rod to the knuckle when the suspension was fully compressed. Although not a huge problem, it was a bit of a let down for being a bolt-on kit.

Simple spacer work solved the problem.....

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2523/4056995269_1c173f7bbb_b.jpg




Up top shot with everything back in place.....

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2684/4057734860_ed56c02011_b.jpg





Final thoughts....

For some, upon receiving this kit, you'll be upset that instructions for install were not included. A little messing around and you'll figure it out. I'd also recommend looking at the ones who have finished the install to see the proper way to install.

The misalignment between the tie-rod and knuckle bothered me a bit but then I remembered why I love this part of the hobby so much... you have to build along with install. I am also running non-factory parts mixed with different manufactures parts... I should have problems with parts not fitting properly.

One of the best things about this kit is now my little rig is able to turn it's wheels even when the front suspension is flexed in different directions. Before with the stock plastic setup, it's strain to move when the rig was flexed. Now, it turns like it was meant too. This is great. Now when crawling over a rock, I can turn when needed.

Is this a good buy? HELL YEAH!!! for less than $20 shipped you get a ball bearing steering that pretty much bolts into place. Parts are very good quality. Install is okay since you have to guess at how it all goes together. Communication between the customer and GPM is by far the best I've ever experienced. If you have to do one upgrade to your own CC-01, this is the must have upgrade.

[toyofast]

Okay... I've had a couple days of running this steering setup. My first impressions are still valid BUT, yes, the dreaded but. I have started to notice some slop, not as much as the stock crappy steering but slop that I have decided is coming from the beat to hell chassis. I have noticed a few cracks in the steering tubes that this systems bolts onto or runs through.


IF you install this, look for previous damage to your chassis in the steering system areas. I think a new chassis will fix my problem. Also, use some locktight to keep these screws secure. I've had to tighten back down the screw on the top of the main shaft twice with only a few minutes of run time on it before I used locktight.

[toyofast]

Another update...

After the GPM steering system was installed I moved onto the next "problem" issue with my CC-01.

-Body lift. Moved the body up approximately 4-5mm.
-New rear links that give me lots more clearance and better movement without the axle walking front to back. This also added about 5-6mm longer wheelbase.

Since the body is almost to the end of it's life, a mix of colors are now on it. Silver, black, olive drab and natural plastic white:mrgreen:


Couple updated images......


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2711/4066262128_ffede7207c_b.jpg.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2725/4065513831_a1ab6d91ee_b.jpg

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2230/4065519725_50e557ddd8_b.jpg



I'll have a current video uploaded later today too.

[toyofast]

Alright... another day, another problem!

I have contacted GPM concerning this matter. I might have gotten a bum steering kit or their design might need a bit of improvement. Either way, I'm still super happy with the kit.


The shaft and top arm don't seem to have enough contact material to make a solid fit. I am getting a decent amount of slop from this area, as well as some at the bottom of the shaft.


You can see the wear part already starting to show. That bare aluminum just shines through the black really well. It just needs more material to keep a solid fit.


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2745/4070495485_6aec8cd1a9_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2785/4070495751_aa145f2d99_b.jpg


I really hope GPM has a fix for this or replacement parts ready soon. If not, I'll JB-Weld one side solid and have to drill a hole and put a set screw in to keep the shaft and an arm from moving.


Anyone else having this issue yet?

[4drmopar]

Shame they just dont suck it up and make them from steel

[toyofast]

Shame they just dont suck it up and make them from steel


I think the aluminum is just fine, less weight and strong. I think the amount of material of the mating surfaces is too small. It needs more enguagement between the arm and shaft.

I have yet to receive a reply back from GPM about this. I think tonight I'll fix the lower end of the shaft so it's permanently attached to the bell-crank/arm. Then still leave the top as is so I can still remove the assembly if needed.

It still amazes me that it has taken 20 years for someone to mass produce a steering kit for these rigs.

[fixed13]

I hope they have a fix in the works, I just payed for my steering kit tonight, hate to get the fix and have to fix it.

[toyofast]

I hope they have a fix in the works, I just payed for my steering kit tonight, hate to get the fix and have to fix it.

Don't be mislead by my post... The steering kit is by far better than the stock steering setup. Even with the small amount of slop I'm seeing, I wouldn't even think about removing it. Overall it's 110% better than stock. Remember, my CC-01 is very abused. I have quite a bit of flex in the chassis where the steering system mounts. The plastic where the main shaft rides is cracked so I'm sure that has something to do with my issues.

GPM, Yeah Racing, RC4WD and the other companies I've used to mod my CC-01 have all been great to deal with and great products.

[fixed13]

Hope so, will need to wait till the end of the month to see, not shipping till the 17th.

[toyofast]

Hope so, will need to wait till the end of the month to see, not shipping till the 17th.


Just heard back from Clara and was told that the steering kits made after Nov 17th will be altered to help with what is happening. I'd say to order after Nov 17th in order to get the updated version.

[toyofast]

Broke another Yeah Racing CVD when running one of the TTC courses at the ORCRC TTC event yesterday. Basically the axle broke in the same spot as the last one. Just a nice and clean break prior to the differential end of the shaft. The actual CVD joint is holding up great.

I might try to add some material to the shaft to keep it from flexing when under a load. Although, hopping up and down can take it's toll on the drivetrain no matter what rig.