Brushed guy! Use an Emaxx 21T Titan motor!

[sikax10]

See my latest post in the motor/ pinion thread let's help each other thread, this motor is the best! I will post up a vid as soon as I can but no BS this motor is great. If you have one try it, you won't be dissapointed. 3 cell lipo, 15T pinion, sidewinder esc, Titan, 15-20 minute run time before my old worn out motor even got warm/hot, great torque/ wheelspeed, and best of all it's super cheap! You all will definitely be amazed.....Rubbaneck was. Gotta go for now will post up soon with an update.

[mann0mann]

Any issues with making it fit?

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

I believe it's like the pullers, you need to outboard the uppers & move the RX tray back one hole.

[Rubbaneck]

You won't be dissapointed. 3 cell lipo, 15T pinion, sidewinder esc, Titan, 15-20 minute run time before my old worn out motor even got warm/hot, great torque/ wheelspeed, and best of all it's super cheap! You all will definitely be amazed.....Rubbaneck was.
I can't believe how well this works. Guys if you are in need to try some wheel speed and torque for a cheap price, check this one out! http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXXF54&P=ML

[70duncan]

Here is his other post.
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=181202&page=7

This will tell you what you need to know to make the Titan fit. I am going to try this when I get home.

[Mic]

I am going to try it. Thanks for the heads up on it.

[sikax10]

Here's a short living room vid.....get ready to turn your head sideways!
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/sikax10/Axial%20Pics/th_losicrawlervid.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/sikax10/Axial%20Pics/?action=view&current=losicrawlervid.flv)

[jeremy h]

link doent work:cry:

[sikax10]

more to come next vid will show how good the slow speed control is!

[Rubbaneck]

I love wheelies. MORE! :twisted:

[Red Rockcrawler]

Thats what I like about crawling trying odd things and they work. Would never thought about a stock titan motor.

[werty]

waiting for the video
What esc you using

[sikax10]

And a couple more , one of the slow speed control couch crawlin and one to show how it fits, sorry bout the quality, it's with a cell phone camera and I am using my left hand to control the throttle so I am a little glitchy moving forward where it is actually very very smooth normally, will post better stuff asap.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/sikax10/Axial%20Pics/th_losi3.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/sikax10/Axial%20Pics/?action=view&current=losi3.flv)http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/sikax10/Axial%20Pics/th_losi2.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/sikax10/Axial%20Pics/?action=view&current=losi2.flv)

[ripper7777777]

Ahhh man you beat me to it, well I just got my Losi an hour ago, oh well...LOL


My Specs:

Losi Straight out of the box, no break in no added grease.

Sidewinder

3s 1500 mah

6 buck 550 motor

15t


Just ran 17 minutes till the wife called and asked if I was ready for dinner.

Ambient temp 88*

The motor was hot after the rocks, but nothing else was, if I experience the reduction in heat that everyone else has by reducing friction in the driveline than this motor should be the budget way to go. I'd compare it to my Axial with a 55t and 18t on a 3s.

Now the motor would burn you after 3 or 4 seconds, but no signs of thermal meltdown, hell I wouldn't touch my motors in my max after 15 minutes of running.


I did turn off the drag brake and set my steering way low just incase, I gots Crawler #5, not sure if that's good or bad...LOL


I'll get some video on the rocks when I can.

[sikax10]

ELL YA DUDE! Good to see others experimenting with cheap 550's...everyone else should take notice, cause these motors are great for the losi.

[keala]

o.k. 550 titan it is! i just saw all the vid's and i'm very impressed. i was gonna go the "all losi" way, but this seems to be the way to go. on top of that it's cheap. how would you feel if i ran an fxr instead of a sidewinder? lmk your thoughts on that. thanks sikax10.

[sikax10]

I don't see why it would make too much of a difference, the sidewinder is only rated for a 35t ON 3 Cells but it works great in mine so the FXR should keep up fine too. Maybe just check the Turn limit on 3 cell lipo, if it's simialiar or lower than you should be good to go in theory. Let me know how it works out for ya. "thumbsup"

[keala]

will do, got my titan ordered and it's on it's way. thanks again

[rocresq]

Niice find. I was a the lhs today and almost picked one up thinking I might be on to something! Looks like you beat me to it

[Flyin Hawaiian]

Installed my beater 21T titan and 14 tooth in my Comp crawler and wow what a difference. It help with the stalling but didnt get rid of it. Nice and smooth low end and rips top end. Does get warm but not hot like the HH 35T did. Saving up for brushless Still haven't found a good one yet.

Good find man "thumbsup"

[corkysk8]

Does anyone know if the 21 trun Titan motor is set to zero timing. If so, I was going to reverse wire a reverse rotation one. LHS have 5 reverse rotation ones, but no normal rotation ones. Thank for any help.

In the install pics, have you removed the extra metal rap on the motor can?

[Harlok67]

Losi is CRAWLING, not DRAG CAR ! :)

worm gear :cry::cry::cry:

[ripper7777777]

Installed my beater 21T titan and 14 tooth in my Comp crawler and wow what a difference. It help with the stalling but didnt get rid of it. Nice and smooth low end and rips top end. Does get warm but not hot like the HH 35T did. Saving up for brushless Still haven't found a good one yet.

Good find man "thumbsup"


Yea I'm still not 100% on the brushed motor yet, but I really can't find a brushless solution that I feel great about spending 200 bucks on. So far I've had no stalling even on undercuts, but ti does get hot, but I've got it torn apart cleaning all that crap grease out.

Does anyone know if the 21 trun Titan motor is set to zero timing. If so, I was going to reverse wire a reverse rotation one. LHS have 5 reverse rotation ones, but no normal rotation ones. Thank for any help.

In the install pics, have you removed the extra metal rap on the motor can?

I'd check with the folks on the traxxas forums about the timing, but I'd bet it's advanced.

The steel ring is a Torque ring and it alters the magnetic field and directs inward, without it you get more RPMs, I plan to try it without next.

Losi is CRAWLING, not DRAG CAR ! :)

worm gear :cry::cry::cry:

I'm actually loving the worm gears, the downhill control is awesome, but you gotta turn drag brake off.

[sikax10]

Yes, I did take the torque ring off to make it fit, didn't want to but I still like the way it crawls. If it gives it more Rpm than cool, maybe i'll gear it down to a 14T pinion next to see how that effects top end. AS for the stalling thing I'm not getting that with mine, maybe it's the battery. i am using a new Tenergy 25C 1300mah 3 call lipo and I dont reallly get any stall, I dunno maybe I'm just lucky like that. Overall I am real happy with this set up and will probubly use this motor/esc combo till I a foolproof better "to beat all" set-up is found cause it's cheap.

[sikax10]

You might want to double check this, but I'm pretty sure I remember something in my old E-maxx manual about using other motors like 540's and it said to run them with 0* timing. I don't know if this means the titans are zero or not but the one I am using had to be reverse wired to work so it may be a reverse rotation one. I didn't actually realize they had different ones but anyway, if its spinning in reverse, just switch the leads I guess.

[ripper7777777]

Yes, I did take the torque ring off to make it fit, didn't want to but I still like the way it crawls. If it gives it more Rpm than cool, maybe i'll gear it down to a 14T pinion next to see how that effects top end. AS for the stalling thing I'm not getting that with mine, maybe it's the battery. i am using a new Tenergy 35C 1300mah 3 call lipo and I dont reallly get any stall, I dunno maybe I'm just lucky like that. Overall I am real happy with this set up and will probubly use this motor/esc combo till I a foolproof better "to beat all" set-up is found cause it's cheap.


I left mine on, next I plan to try without to see which I like better I think it will run cooler without it.

I'm yet to see the stall, but the next tests I'll really push it, but I tested it on a wall with both front wheels and one front wheel and it crawled till it flipped over backwards.

On the rocks I had a few small upcuts to overcome.

I've got it all torn apart now cleaning and deciding which lube to use, but off to the beach for the day.

Oh and I have Crawler #5 so that should help rule out first batch problems.

[some87]

anybody try the slash motor? i dont know if a 550 15 turn is to much speed.

[loverichey]

I liาe your setting
how about run time per lipo pack and motor heat:?:

[Flyin Hawaiian]

The slash motor is a 550 12T motor. Wont work very well because its only 12T's to much RPM's not enough torque . That why the titan 21T works so great and it cheap.

[lakedan5150]

So I bought one as a cheap alternative and no ish this thing kicks ass! Lots of speed and torque. That was an awesome find!!!"thumbsup"

Actually you can install it without moving the tray, just cut a little notch. And the link i was already bumping up a hole so it worked perfect.

No need to go brushless now!!!

Using the regular Tekin FX-R ESC with it also.

Wouldnt you know it, finally my LHS had something in stock, as a matter of fact they had 5!!! Only $24

[rockslyder]

So I bought one as a cheap alternative and no ish this thing kicks ass! Lots of speed and torque. That was an awesome find!!!"thumbsup"

Actually you can install it without moving the tray, just cut a little notch. And the link i was already bumping up a hole so it worked perfect.

No need to go brushless now!!!

Using the regular Tekin FX-R ESC with it also.

Wouldnt you know it, finally my LHS had something in stock, as a matter of fact they had 5!!! Only $24

the FXR is rated for a 35T limit. Did you try that setup yet? Be carefull :?

[mystic122468]

I gave it a try today, bad results though :-(
After about 10 min of running the motor was almost 180Deg.. I'm running a FX-R 14T pinion and 3s 1350. Odd thing, the motor came out of my e-max it's an older one about 8yrs.. I also didn't have to move the mount OR the link to the outside. I wonder if the newer motors are just a little larger?

[GhostRyder]

Has anyone confirmed if the FX-R with the Titan 550 motor and 3S lipo will work?

[lakedan5150]

I just instaled a new one and didnt have to move any thing. Had to disconnect it to get the motor in but it all went right back in.

Also check your drag and push brake settings cause that will also make it heat up alot if set to high.

Im using the Tekin FX-R with the 15 tooth pinion and running a 3 cell lipo and it runs just as good, actually better than my Axial did, motor speed and torque.

What a geat fluke this turned out to be!

[lakedan5150]

the FXR is rated for a 35T limit. Did you try that setup yet? Be carefull :?


I did and it was gutless, thats where the whole brushless thread determined that it was the only way to go. like I said for what ever reason it seams to be doing great, with the exception I just broke another @#$%in cvd... That needs a good fix more so than anything.

[sikax10]

My sidewinder has a similiar rating of 35T wit 3 cell, but I think it has to do with the fact that it's a 14.4V motor running on 11.1V so it's not drawing too much for the esc....Again this is just a guess, I am definitely no electronics genius, just a lucky tinkerer who stumbled onto some thing cool. Glad to hear there are others trying it, and liking it."thumbsup" and I'm using a 15t pinion....Not sure if a lower gearing any lower than that will work as well, but if anyonw finds it does and makes more speed let me know!

[ripper7777777]

I forgot to mention, I'm actually running the generic 550 replacement for the Titan, allelectronics used to sell them for under 5 bucks. Tower still has some 550 motors for 9.00, who knows could be a better 550 out there.

Also a bunch of cooling fans if anyone dares to try and fit it in there.


http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0095P?FVSEARCH=550+motors


and here is a Mabuchi 550

http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/DCM-330/3-20VDC-MOTOR-MABUCHI/1.html

[corkysk8]

Did you take off the extra metal rap on the can?

I just instaled a new one and didnt have to move any thing. Had to disconnect it to get the motor in but it all went right back in.

Also check your drag and push brake settings cause that will also make it heat up alot if set to high.

Im using the Tekin FX-R with the 15 tooth pinion and running a 3 cell lipo and it runs just as good, actually better than my Axial did, motor speed and torque.

What a geat fluke this turned out to be!

[fastlosi]

This Titan idea is interesting. The Emaxx is 7.2 x 2 = 14.4 volts for 2 motors with 2 batteries, so is the single motor truely rated at 14 volts? Another similar option that I ran in my old axial was the Great Planes Electrify T-600 motor. It is a 22 turn motor that made great torque and wheel speed. It shows being rated up to 8.4 volts. You can also buy it in a S-600 version for more speed. The t-600 sells for about $13.

[lakedan5150]

Did you take off the extra metal rap on the can?


Yes, actually I did. I'm hopeing for easier heat disapation also from doing so. Well sort of, that is if it actually got hot, hasent been a problem yet though.

[corkysk8]

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, actually I did. I'm hopeing for easier heat disapation also from doing so. Well sort of, that is if it actually got hot, hasent been a problem yet though.

[bigflex]

the FXR is rated for a 35T limit. Did you try that setup yet? Be carefull :?
Thats for a 540 can motor. The emaxx motors are 550 so you can run a little hotter motor."thumbsup"

[lakedan5150]

Thats good to know, the whole ble to run hotter thing. I just ran it for awhile and it got real hot but all is good.

[celsiusprime]

After buying a $200 goat system, I'm pissed off to find out that I could have had a good motor in my truck for 20 bucks.:-x I guess that's what I get for being impatient and going too fancy. Now, I just have to make sure my wife doesn't catch wind of this info....

[rockslyder]

Well I did all the changes axel shims, regrease, momba max, titan 21 w/13t on a 3c 1350, and a CC Bec. It ran good till I put weight in the wheels 6oz front 2.5 rear and panthers w/ crawler 1 foam. The temp went through the roof moter 185, momba 136 , batt 127 . :? The truck crawls awsome taken new lines."thumbsup""thumbsup"

[cato]

Well I did all the changes axel shims, regrease, momba max, titan 21 w/13t on a 3c 1350, and a CC Bec. It ran good till I put weight in the wheels 6oz front 2.5 rear and panthers w/ crawler 1 foam. The temp went through the roof moter 185, momba 136 , batt 127 . :? The truck crawls awsome taken new lines."thumbsup""thumbsup"

Those temps are ALL within spec!! Wouldn't worry"thumbsup"

[lakedan5150]

Do you know off hand what the temp rating is on the Titan?

[lakedan5150]

Well I fixed all my other problems on this rig and thought Id torture it for awhile. The Titan is merely a temp fix. I finally burned one out, granted like I said I was torturing it but none the less I burned it up. Yes I did order a brushless Tekin 18.5T system and it'll be about a week, until then the Titan will work, Yeah I couldnt wait, I blew the $ and got another temporary.

[cato]

Do you know off hand what the temp rating is on the Titan?

There has As far as i know no real set temp for motors, the rule of thumb from years oh racing is 170-190, hopfully max:shock:, but not for ever. Run the rig 10-15 min max and let her cool down. Even Rubbaneck said the same on rcctv last friday while working on it. The worm-gear drive train has a lota possitive, only neg to me is that it is harder on motor etc ...than a non wormy.. Heck, Sikax has been running his a ton with no trouble, i think it was an antique too:shock:. But for the $ sure seems to work"thumbsup"

PS: make sure to lube the bushings....

[sikax10]

I also forgot to mention I am only running 3.35oz. in each front tire and none in the rear, that may be why mine isn't overheating like some others are. I have gotten into a light rig phase and like it so i am running mine really light. workin real good for now. The lightness seems to allow the rig to bump up over stuff easy so I aint changing nothing!...............at least for now8) But I ALSO bumped my pinion down to for 14t for a try and like the extra torque, and less heat is also nice. Anyway, cheap motor, good running.

[ripper7777777]

I was running a 15t with my generic 550 and it was starting to get way hot, of course I added weight 5oz and 3.5oz and larger chizels tires, so the motor was working a bit harder, but I dropped back to a 12t and it seems to be working , hard to test at night. But it also helps that it is cooler at night, it was 95 today, so maybe night crawling will be the new way to do things :mrgreen: Oh and at night the motor puts on a lovely light show.

[BJoe]

I've done it now too, I'll run it for the first time tomorrow.

[werty]

since I just picked my'n up to day. I started of with a 550 himoto stock motor 13t mamba max. its never been ran and right off the bat i know the battery life is going to be short it sucked 550 mah in 10 minutes of doing donuts in the living room. so early in the morning I am going to do the marine grease and use my big 4600 mah battery to break it in. other than that its a runner.

[ripper7777777]

Just spent about 35 minutes of run time out on the rocks, with a 550 and a 12t. Ran great, temps were acceptable, at teh end of the run I was practicing a crazy line that bound up your front tire everytime so the motor got hot, but no smoke yet. But it never gave out when bound up, I felt more like it was going to snap something not stall.

[sikax10]

Sweet guys, glad things are working out. I too like the light show! The more I get my gears broke in the more run time and less heat build up I get. By the way, this rig rocks! I am pulling harder lines than I ever did with my Axial. Gotta love it.

[sikax10]

Tried a 12t pinion and really liking it. Might be a better gearing combo.

[ripper7777777]

Tried a 12t pinion and really liking it. Might be a better gearing combo.

Yea so far I'm liking it, about to go out back and put it to the test again, soon it will be to hot out for humans....LOL

[Mac10]

has anyone tried this titan with a sidewinder on a 3cell lipo??

[RcBro]

After buying a $200 goat system, I'm pissed off to find out that I could have had a good motor in my truck for 20 bucks.:-x I guess that's what I get for being impatient and going too fancy. Now, I just have to make sure my wife doesn't catch wind of this info....

Yes, I head ya, one more reason to be bitter with losi right now :evil:

[ripper7777777]

has anyone tried this titan with a sidewinder on a 3cell lipo??

Yea I'm running one, well a 550 motor that was a replacement motor for emaxx, but it's generic, with 3s and a sidewinder. It gets hot, I just ran 12 minutes out back on a really long course and it's to hot to touch for long, but I did bind it up a lot, near snapping point.

I ran it yesterday on a smoother course more off camber stuff less binding, just lots of wheel speed to make the climbs and it didn't get really hot until after about 30 minutes. The key is to keep the motor from binding.

Ran it again out back and it got hot after about 10 minutes or so of hard crawling. I don't have temp gun so I used my battery temp probe and it read 126* of course it is 95* outside right now, so that can't be helping any.

[Happy_trucker]

I think I went over board with my wheel weights, but it's just to try different things. Believe it or not, I have 12 oz. in each front wheel, and 4 oz. in the rear, it start to climb some amazing stufff but a few areas it was too heavy, so it's time to lighten to load.

[P1choco]

Binding the rig really gets the temps up. I'm learning to use the dig a LOT to keep from binding. But it's getting me through lines that have been very difficult before and I'm mapping out lines much better then I ever have.

[grouser]

Yes, I head ya, one more reason to be bitter with losi right now :evil:
:roll:

[ripper7777777]

ALright, I'm testig a rs-550pf made by Mabuchi.

So far I'm liking it.

I ran it last night for about 10 minutes with no heat issues.

But today I was able to take it out and bind it up and snap both pins up front. I fixed the first one at 2 minutes in and than ran for 10 minutes and broke the second one when I tried to power through something, I'm used to dogbones...LOL

No heat issues, the motor was hot, but I could hold my finger on it without burning it, cooler than a racing motor in a buggy.

The wheel speed is lower but there is plenty of punch to get you up and over stuff.


Specs:

Mabuchi rs-550pf
12t
Sidewinder
3s 1500mah
5oz front 3.5 oz rear

Now on to the one problem, I bought this motor a couple years ago to test, but it came in with splines on the shaft so I never bothered using it.

This is the place I bought it from and they still list it but I'm not positive the specs are the same, no way to know with out a dyno, but at 3.50 these are disposable....LOL

http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/DCM-330/3-20VDC-MOTOR-MABUCHI/1.html

There are a large variety of 550's out there, but I really think these are all just cheap alternatives until the brushless systems come out in full force, the wieght of these motors alone is enough to make you want brushless, but I'll be comp'n with mine and shopping brushless.


Later this afternoon I'll see about getting a video

[sikax10]

Nor to be a jerk, but as for the guy who asked if anyone has tried a sidewinder with A 3 CELL ...have you even read this whole thread? That's how this all started. The answer is yes.

[InFlames]

Could a rooster crawler handle a 21t?

[sikax10]

dON'T KNOW YET, BUT IF YOU TRY AND IT DOES LET ME KNOW. i'D LIKE TO RUN IT IN MY ROCKRACER.

[Rogue]

dON'T KNOW YET, BUT IF YOU TRY AND IT DOES LET ME KNOW. i'D LIKE TO RUN IT IN MY ROCKRACER.

I wouldn't try it.

copied from Novak's website
Rated Current: 400 amps* (forward)
Braking Current: 200 amps*
BEC: 6.0 volt/5.0 amp
Motor Limit 27-turn brushed (at 6 cells Ni-MH)
Discrete Steps: 256 Forward; 256 Reverse
Battery Plug: Tamiya
Drive Profiles: 2
Status LEDs: 2
Voltage Cut-off: 6.25 volts (Li-Poly Profiles)

[InFlames]

I wouldn't try it.

copied from Novak's website
Rated Current: 400 amps* (forward)
Braking Current: 200 amps*
BEC: 6.0 volt/5.0 amp
Motor Limit 27-turn brushed (at 6 cells Ni-MH)
Discrete Steps: 256 Forward; 256 Reverse
Battery Plug: Tamiya
Drive Profiles: 2
Status LEDs: 2
Voltage Cut-off: 6.25 volts (Li-Poly Profiles)

Shitty! Whats the ideal ecs for the 21t?

[ripper7777777]

You can go lower turns when using a 550, look at the Emaxx if you dropped 540's in it the esc would fry, with that said, I hate testing anything on Novaks, those suckers burn up easy and Novak customer service is aweful

[Mac10]

Nor to be a jerk, but as for the guy who asked if anyone has tried a sidewinder with A 3 CELL ...have you even read this whole thread? That's how this all started. The answer is yes.

your right!
that was a very newb question of me! and I apologize.
most of these threads are getting so long, that I am skipping the first pages and going to the end to see the most current results of a setup.

can we still be friends??:mrgreen:

[lakedan5150]

Well I ran it through a whole comp last night and it did awesome!!! I ran it with the titan and a 12 tooth pinion and all the heat went away and still had sufficient wheel speed.

This is the brushed combo!!

I was running it again today and it took about a 40 to 50 foot fall end over end thrashing in high speed and slammed a solid little wood fence....:shock:

Oh shit!!! It didnt hurt it with the exception of a rod end that I just picked up spares yesterday and replaced it in a minute. It was probably the worst fall Ive ever seen by far and the Losi got right back up and kept chewin the rocks up and spittin em out!!

2 full packs and no break on the motor, the heat never made it over 80-90, it was like touching your hand as far as warmth goes. Fond my motor combo, and you cant beat the motor price!!!

[eric113]

Well I ran it through a whole comp last night and it did awesome!!! I ran it with the titan and a 12 tooth pinion and all the heat went away and still had sufficient wheel speed.

This is the brushed combo!!

I was running it again today and it took about a 40 to 50 foot fall end over end thrashing in high speed and slammed a solid little wood fence....:shock:

Oh shit!!! It didnt hurt it with the exception of a rod end that I just picked up spares yesterday and replaced it in a minute. It was probably the worst fall Ive ever seen by far and the Losi got right back up and kept chewin the rocks up and spittin em out!!

2 full packs and no break on the motor, the heat never made it over 80-90, it was like touching your hand as far as warmth goes. Fond my motor combo, and you cant beat the motor price!!!

Specs on your rig ? What lube are you running ?


Also is this with all the tricks so far ? I'm finding it weird that some people are posting up their temps of 80-100* and most are wwwwaaayyyy over that!

[ripper7777777]

Specs on your rig ? What lube are you running ?


Also is this with all the tricks so far ? I'm finding it weird that some people are posting up their temps of 80-100* and most are wwwwaaayyyy over that!



12t seems to be the magic gear, I dropped down to that and that made a big difference, of course running the rig constantly, helped break it in. But the 15t was way to HOT to touch, 12t was much better. Now the motor I was orginally testing is a generic 550 and I believe it has higher RPMs than the titan but a 12t kept it in the 120's. My new mabuchi motor is much nicer and seems to stay cooler but I did loose some wheel speed but the intial punch is very good. But I'm stuck till I get CVD's.

My issue with the 550's is weight, these motors way a ton and it's not exactly where I want any additional weight. 45t motor - 6.1 oz Titan 8.8 oz

[Speedracer19]

I found a Trinity Monster Maxx Mild Mod motor & have had good results with it using a 12T or 13t pinion. Timing is set @ 4 degrees & the wheelspeed is very good. No real heat issues with this motor & i am using a 3S lipo on it.
This motor is not quite as long as a Titan motor because there is no fan inside the can.
The only draw back to this 550 motor is you have to have a lathe with wider cradles to cut the comm on this motor, but you can replace the brushes & springs.

[lakedan5150]

Specs on your rig ? What lube are you running ?


Also is this with all the tricks so far ? I'm finding it weird that some people are posting up their temps of 80-100* and most are wwwwaaayyyy over that!


Im runnin a
Titan 21t w/ 12 tooth pinion
FX-R ESC
CC BEC
Spektrum DX3R
3 cell lipo
High temp/pressure bearing grease that I picked up from Kragen auto parts
Removed the extra shims from both the front and back axles
Made sure I had lube in the tranny
Had to make a slipper pad and rebuild the tranny
Replaced the cvd's with the new design cvds

Other than that I'd say thats pretty much it

Broke my friends old cvd's in about a minute yesterday so now he'll have to replace his, better now than in a comp I always say!!!!:mrgreen:

[lakedan5150]

oh and the heat, well not even warm to the touch. I will say I also believe that my rig is breaking in and thats also part of the cooler temps

[eric113]

oh and the heat, well not even warm to the touch. I will say I also believe that my rig is breaking in and thats also part of the cooler temps

Did you do pre breaking in? Or did you just start running your rig ?

[ripper7777777]

I found a Trinity Monster Maxx Mild Mod motor & have had good results with it using a 12T or 13t pinion. Timing is set @ 4 degrees & the wheelspeed is very good. No real heat issues with this motor & i am using a 3S lipo on it.
This motor is not quite as long as a Titan motor because there is no fan inside the can.
The only draw back to this 550 motor is you have to have a lathe with wider cradles to cut the comm on this motor, but you can replace the brushes & springs.

Sounds like a good motor, to bad the brushed Emaxx days are over, there used to be a ton of 550's out.

It is nice to be able to rebuild, but I'm searching generic motors so that they are truely disposable, 3 - 5 bucks each. I figure I'll deal with the added weight of a 550 until the brushles systems have time to get it right, I'm not spending 200+ on a system I'm not happy with.

[Speedracer19]

Sounds like a good motor, to bad the brushed Emaxx days are over, there used to be a ton of 550's out.

It is nice to be able to rebuild, but I'm searching generic motors so that they are truely disposable, 3 - 5 bucks each. I figure I'll deal with the added weight of a 550 until the brushles systems have time to get it right, I'm not spending 200+ on a system I'm not happy with.
With ya on the $200.00 plus thing & not being happy with it. I just wanted to find a better motor that the Titan & this motor was $38.00 & seems to be a bit smoother & run a bit better. I'm waiting for Losi to release the 21.5 system for this rig & see how that plays out.

[eric113]

With ya on the $200.00 plus thing & not being happy with it. I just wanted to find a better motor that the Titan & this motor was $38.00 & seems to be a bit smoother & run a bit better. I'm waiting for Losi to release the 21.5 system for this rig & see how that plays out.

Where did you find it for $38 ? I looked on tower for around $60 and they backed ordered.

[Speedracer19]

Where did you find it for $38 ? I looked on tower for around $60 and they backed ordered.
Found it on E-Bay, shipping & all was around $45.00.

[lakedan5150]

Did you do pre breaking in? Or did you just start running your rig ?


I actually did break it in, flipped it over and pegged the trigger to run at different speeds both for/rev for a half hour each.

This rig was plagued with problems when I bought it so wether I wanted to or not I had to totally disassemble and reassemble the entire rig. At that point it only made sense to do it right.

I got to anxious in the begining and ran it with out breaking it in and arched the first motor out, live and learn.

Anything worth doing is worth doing right.........

The first time!!!

[Harlok67]

Also I love the worms gear! I Use a Kyosho RF and I have in arrival the LOSI. Doesn't the Wheely break the Gear??
Is crawling, not a drag car :)

Yea I'm still not 100% on the brushed motor yet, but I really can't find a brushless solution that I feel great about spending 200 bucks on. So far I've had no stalling even on undercuts, but ti does get hot, but I've got it torn apart cleaning all that crap grease out.



I'd check with the folks on the traxxas forums about the timing, but I'd bet it's advanced.

The steel ring is a Torque ring and it alters the magnetic field and directs inward, without it you get more RPMs, I plan to try it without next.



I'm actually loving the worm gears, the downhill control is awesome, but you gotta turn drag brake off.

[MX70]

Also I love the worms gear! I Use a Kyosho RF and I have in arrival the LOSI. Doesn't the Wheely break the Gear??
Is crawling, not a drag car :)

YER FIRST OR LAST RICKY BOBBY!!!http://
www.off-road.com/dirtsports/Features/Deremo-Wins-XRRA-Season-Opener-in-Moab-Utah/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/593203?contextCategoryId=46512

[InFlames]

What kind of run times could i get with a 6 cell saddle pack using a titan 550?

[Mac10]

I am running the titan with a 14t pinion and a sidewinder with a 1300mah 3 cell

running on flat ground it doesn't get hot, but once I finally got it on the rocks, I noticed the motor struggles and stalls out under load and the ESC was hotter than hell.

I tore the diffs apart and un shimmed and regreased them and broke them in with a drill, along with running it with no wheels for a couple packs.

I think it still needs some breaking in and I am going to try a 12t pinion as well!

[InFlames]

What kind of run times could i get with a 6 cell saddle pack using a titan 550?

Still wondering..

How would a 55t do with a 9t pinion? Or a titan with a 9t pinion? Or is 12t the sweet spot?

[ripper7777777]

Alright, finally got my CVD's in so I put it all back together to give it a test run with the 550 Mabuchi motor I have.



Temp outside is 91* Humidity 49% and it feels like 96*


So not easy to keep the motor to cool.

I'm not running any Fans or Heat sinks.

Specs:

550 Mabuchi
12t pinion
3s 1500 mah
Sidewinder
5 oz front per tire
3.5 in the rear per tire


Very nice, plenty of torque from the start to the finish.

Just did 17 minutes on basically a really long course, came in and it read 112*. When I drove it and hit lots of under cuts and spots that I was sure was going to snap another CVD. I really only used the Dig for tight turns and pushed the worms to the limit. Overall the wheelspeed is pretty slow, but you have enough punch to get up and over things, but it's no drag racer, but it's no turtle either, just about right for my tastes.

I'll see if I can't get a video, but I'm in cooling off, the sun is brutal down here.

[rockslyder]

12t is the smallest pinion you can fit on a Losi "thumbsup"

Still wondering..

How would a 55t do with a 9t pinion? Or a titan with a 9t pinion? Or is 12t the sweet spot?

[rocksrock]

I put a titan 21 in my truck with a 12t pinion and I love it. Payed $20 for the motor and its staying in it. I ran my truck hard all weekend and temps didn't go over 110 deg and it was 80 deg outside. Also I don't know why everbody moves the rear uppers outboard I moved mine up one hole and have plenty of clearance.

[John]

I put a titan 21 in my truck with a 12t pinion and I love it. Payed $20 for the motor and its staying in it. I ran my truck hard all weekend and temps didn't go over 110 deg and it was 80 deg outside. Also I don't know why everbody moves the rear uppers outboard I moved mine up one hole and have plenty of clearance.

Anyone have a link where to pick up a titan 21t motor?

edit: found it http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXXF54&P=ML
Any vender here going to carry it soon?

[Mike Poulson]

I found a Monster Max wild at the LHS, they were happy to get rid of it at a huge discount, I guess they are not real popular in the Emaxx. Tore it apart and made it a 21 turn like the mild version. Excellent motor for the Losi. Looking for more now.

Nice find on the 21 turn 550's thanks

Mike

Edit: Beware when I unwound this motor I found it to be one of the worst wind jobs I have ever seen, under the first layer the wires were bent and twisted and no real pattern. A machine can do a better job, this took human intervention!


I found a Trinity Monster Maxx Mild Mod motor & have had good results with it using a 12T or 13t pinion. Timing is set @ 4 degrees & the wheelspeed is very good. No real heat issues with this motor & i am using a 3S lipo on it.
This motor is not quite as long as a Titan motor because there is no fan inside the can.
The only draw back to this 550 motor is you have to have a lathe with wider cradles to cut the comm on this motor, but you can replace the brushes & springs.

[lakedan5150]

So Ive been running the 12 tooth pinion for awhile now and its been ideal on my Titan 550. All in all its a real good mix.

I actually just took 1ST at a comp with it set up like that and pulled some stuff that I never was able to pull off before my LOSI!!!

One problem is that with the 12t pinion is you cant get the mesh close enough so you will end up with the problem Im currently having and thats the Idler gear getting 2 teeth broke half way off and now not being able to run. I am gonna try a few things but I think the way to go might be jumping to a 13t pinion once your rig is broken in, at the point of break in it should be running cool enough to go 1 tooth more and not effect the performance of the motor.

[eric113]

I found a Monster Max wild at the LHS, they were happy to get rid of it at a huge discount, I guess they are not real popular in the Emaxx. Tore it apart and made it a 21 turn like the mild version. Excellent motor for the Losi. Looking for more now.

Nice find on the 21 turn 550's thanks

Mike

Edit: Beware when I unwound this motor I found it to be one of the worst wind jobs I have ever seen, under the first layer the wires were bent and twisted and no real pattern. A machine can do a better job, this took human intervention!

Thanks for the heads up Mike.

[dickster]

I'm running the 550 21t emaxx motor and the cc sidewinder speed contoller with great success. I'm waiting for a 12 and 13 tooth pinion for more testing. After 30 mins on the 14t pinion I was getting temps of 120 or so. I put a fan on my motor and now my temps are down to 80 degrees. I think that the 13tooth pinion is going to be the ticket for that motor. Only in extreme situations do I ever power out. I'm even running 4oz in each front wheel and 2oz in each rear wheel. I'm really liking how smooth it is.

[youngblood]

Whats the differance between the Titan 21T and the Titan 23T?

Im guessing a little less rpm but more torque?

Thanks for the help -Brian

[InFlames]

Whats the differance between the Titan 21T and the Titan 23T?

Im guessing a little less rpm but more torque?

Thanks for the help -Brian


Isnt the 23t the marine one?

[youngblood]

Isnt the 23t the marine one?

If thats the case, wouldnt it be a better motor? Maybe withstand the heat a little better?

[JPH Racing]

Anyone have a link where to pick up a titan 21t motor?

edit: found it http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXXF54&P=ML
Any vender here going to carry it soon?

I've got one with 1 run on it ... Got hot, but no smoke came out of it! PM me if you're interested "thumbsup"

[alwaysfixin]

I'm a beginner, but I will give you my impression of the Emaxx motor. I am running the old school super Rooster with cc lipo cutoff and the losi 3s battery. 15 t pinion. The motor I used was a good used motor. The first time I ran it I only had 3 ounces of weight in each front tire. Nothing in the rear. It got warm, but not hot I ran it for 15 minutes then battary died. Ran three more batteries through it. It seemed to get hotter each time. This is not carpet or indoor running. This is hard ledges, binding, climbing. I then changed weight to 6 ounces in each front and three in the rear. It was fine for the first five minutes. Then power started dropping and I could smell the motor. I dropped to 12 t pinion and it didn't matter. I am sure my motor was old, but this does not seem to be the answer. The motor was so hot within 5 minutes that I couldn't even touch it. I can't afford brushless yet so I guess I will try a 35 turn. I am sure it will be less power, but hopefully won't get as hot and I will get more than 15 minutes of run time.

[youngblood]

You had a used motor and you pinion was too big. Try again.

[InFlames]

What do you guys think of this motor?

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MABUCHI-LARGE-HIGH-TORQUE-12V-DC-MOTOR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1205Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293 Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZit em29fc6206cdQQitemZ180327941837QQptZRadioQ5fContro lQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQQsalenotsupported

Says its high torque, seems like a 550 size? Think a rooster crawler could handle that motor? It says its 55t...

[sgil2001]

What do you guys think of this motor?

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MABUCHI-LARGE-HIGH-TORQUE-12V-DC-MOTOR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1205Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293 Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZit em29fc6206cdQQitemZ180327941837QQptZRadioQ5fContro lQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQQsalenotsupported

Says its high torque, seems like a 550 size? Think a rooster crawler could handle that motor? It says its 55t...


Thats the same motor that you can get from allelectronics.com for $3.50

[InFlames]

Thats the same motor that you can get from allelectronics.com for $3.50

Thats good to know, but is it any good for the losi?

[sgil2001]

I just got some today, but I haven't tried them yet. My emaxx titan is still going strong. When it dies I'll give one of them a try.

[InFlames]

I just got some today, but I haven't tried them yet. My emaxx titan is still going strong. When it dies I'll give one of them a try.


Do you think a rooster crawler could handle one?

[h8z2luze]

Have you noticed a difference in performance moving the links to the outside?

[sgil2001]

Anybody try one of these?



http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJ765&P=ML

[InFlames]

Has anyone tried a titan 12t out of a slash? I have one i was going to try but i was curious if anyone else did..

[M_Saint]

I was thinking of trying one of these in mine.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXWR56&P=7

Does the Emax Titan 550 motor have a built in fan ?

[Speedracer19]

I was thinking of trying one of these in mine.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXWR56&P=7

That motor is the 19T version & MAY work with 2S lipo's.

Does the Emax Titan 550 motor have a built in fan ?

No fan in the motor. OPP'S, if your talking about the stock Traxxas motor, then yes it has a built in fan. The one that you are thinking about from Tower does not have a built in fan.

[youngblood]

The titan 23t motor Im using has a built in fan.

[M_Saint]

The titan 23t motor Im using has a built in fan.


Hmm.... I guess I will go with the Titan motor as well since it has a built in fan.

[youngblood]

Not sure how much the fan is helping though... Still getting 150 deg. motor temps, and thats with a 12 tooth pinnion. :?

[M_Saint]

Not sure how much the fan is helping though... Still getting 150 deg. motor temps, and thats with a 12 tooth pinnion. :?

The timing can be changed on those motors. We used to change it for use in planes. Backing the timing off a hair may help. You just take it apart and fudge the tabs to change the endbell position. I may even try one of those motors in my venom creeper just to see what they do since they will take a 3s well.

(EDIT) Well scratch that just found out the Titan motors are already 0 timed

[M_Saint]

Thats the same motor that you can get from allelectronics.com for $3.50

The allelectronics motors are 55 turn. Don't know how much performance you would get out of the 55 turn.

[M_Saint]

Here is a diagram for reversing the rotation of the speed 600 motors (same motor as the 550 and titan motors) it should give you an idea where 0 timing is. Titan Motor for Emax is already 0 timed
http://www.ef-uk.net/data/images/speed600-reverse.gif

[M_Saint]

Here is a diagram for reversing the rotation of the speed 600 motors (same motor as the 550 and titan motors) it should give you an idea where 0 timing is.
http://www.ef-uk.net/data/images/speed600-reverse.gif

While you have it apart you can also put some bearings in it if its a bushing motor :)

I am also trying to find out what turn the line of graupner motors are.
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/speed_600_12v_electric_motor_2567_prd1.htm

[InFlames]

The allelectronics motors are 55 turn. Don't know how much performance you would get out of the 55 turn.

I bought one of the ones from all electronics so we'll see how it does once my sidewinder gets here..

[ripper7777777]

This is the motor I'm using with great results. I got my motor from allelctronics but it is the same model number, allelectronics no longer lists this motor, nor does the mabuchi site.

http://store.kysanelectronics.com/servlet/-strse-69109/RS-dsh-550PF/Detail?sfs=bc34bda


The info sheet

http://www.kysanelectronics.com/graphics/RS-550PF-8021.pdf


There are a couple videos of me on the backyard course in my build thread.

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183701

[M_Saint]

This is the motor I'm using with great results. I got my motor from allelctronics but it is the same model number, allelectronics no longer lists this motor, nor does the mabuchi site.

http://store.kysanelectronics.com/servlet/-strse-69109/RS-dsh-550PF/Detail?sfs=bc34bda




Thanks for the tip on that motor model number. That is the same speed 600 they were running in the Zagi RC planes for awhile. I managed to find me 4 of them online.

[InFlames]

Well im going to buy a titan, does it make a difference between 14.4v or 16.8v? Which should i get?

[InFlames]

Tried a 20t motor out of a duratrax evader for shits and giggles today while im waiting for my titan 21t and it actually worked damn well!