Bully or Berg?

[Drvnbeing]

Okay so I am going to take the leap into MOA. So I am going back and forth between these two axles. I am leaning more towards the bully just because of the price, but what I am wondering is what is the main difference between these two axles? Are parts too hard to get for the bully? Or am I even really going to need to get any extra parts with the new bully? Besides the axles what else should I plan on purchasing to make these axles "bulletproof"?
Thanks for any input guys. Would post this is the berg section too, but I know that most that would respond there are way to biased, where as a lot of you guys seem to have worked with both of these axles.

[Culetto]

thats what makes the bullys the best. they are ready out of the box. bergs you should plan on buying at least 3 sets of axial stub axles, drilling the tubes for a servo mount, buying lockouts for the rear and rims that will only fit berg axles (the bullys use a more common axial offset, and drilling the gearboxes to clock the rear up off the ground. You also have to buy pinions for the bergs and they are metric only.

[derwood21]

I don't have any personal experience with the Bergs but I'm totally happy with my Bullys. I have only had them a couple weeks but they have been through a beating. The only thing I can think you need to get with them in a steering kit. So far it looks like no one else has had any probs with these out of the box strength wise since the v4 cvds are in them. I know many guys running bergs and have been through axles front and rear, lockers, and started running modded axial stub axles to strengthen them. Bullys are cheaper right off the bat and comp ready out of the box. The only thing I can think of as a downside to the Bullys is the are pretty heavy and some guys like to run light rigs.
Are you in Auburn CA? If your in the area, Swing by the Hobbytown in Folsom sometime. I always bring mine in to work if you want to check them out.

[Drvnbeing]

Right on thanks for the responses. And yeah I am in Auburn, Ca. I'll have to swing by some time I have yet to be to that location. Now I don't have any experience with either of these axles, but for those that do, how does the quality of work compare? Housing wise, do the screws seem to strip out easily or any other problems with either of them?

[69CrazyHorse]

I just bought a new set of Bully's and they are sweet thus far. "thumbsup" I know allot of people who run Bergs and one of the more successful ones at comps told me to go with the bullys so I did and am very happy about it.

[jamesdicken]

thats what makes the bullys the best. they are ready out of the box. bergs you should plan on buying at least 3 sets of axial stub axles, drilling the tubes for a servo mount, buying lockouts for the rear and rims that will only fit berg axles (the bullys use a more common axial offset, and drilling the gearboxes to clock the rear up off the ground. You also have to buy pinions for the bergs and they are metric only.

yep.
i think the thing that i like is the normal width on the bullys. also the bullys are way beefier then the berg!

[Culetto]

Right on thanks for the responses. And yeah I am in Auburn, Ca. I'll have to swing by some time I have yet to be to that location. Now I don't have any experience with either of these axles, but for those that do, how does the quality of work compare? Housing wise, do the screws seem to strip out easily or any other problems with either of them?

I've only heard of one stripped screw and it was a manufacturing issue and RC4WD replaced the part. Thats probablely one of the best things about the bullies. You can talk to the manufacturer if you have an issue and they have great service. Good luck getting the same with the bergs.

[Xtant3150c]

Well since this is the Bully Section I will say go with the Bully's ;-) :ror:

I went with the Bully's because of the narrower width and stuff like the high clearance knuckles, rear straight axles and beefier drivetrain.

I am not krazy with them but they have held up fine to what I have thrown at them so far.

And now with the Bully II's out and being cheaper it almost makes no sense to NOT go with Bully's!!!!!

[Dr.Frank]

Hello,

i'm a "MOA sissy" too :D. For the price of one comp ready set of bergs you
can pick up two sets of bullys. I'm driving the bullys now for three weeks
and are very satisfied with them, means i can beat on them and they don't
cry a bit, straight out of the box.

Greetings from Germany

Frank

[2500hdon37s]

i havent work with either but id say if i had to pick to buy them id go bully

[crashfab]

I am in the same boat--and I am pointing towrards the bullys "thumbsup"

[dr_rookie7]

I like to bully other rig so bully is my choice....
"thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup"

[Rocksolo]

I have a Berg, and a local rc crawler has the Bully.

His only advantage is the axle width. HUGE ADVANTAGE come gate time.

my berg seems like 3/4" wider and I'm too into scalers to spend $100 on offset wheels..... I play with toy Trucks and cars just for fun:mrgreen:

BULLY"thumbsup"

[Flyin Hawaiian]

Just build two rig like me so there is no question. Either berg or bully shoot even a HR is going to be better to drive than any shafty

[crashfab]

I have looked thru the specs on the RC4wd site and they don't state what pinions comes with the axle. Can anybody shed any light on this?

[53 willys]

I have looked thru the specs on the RC4wd site and they don't state what pinions comes with the axle. Can anybody shed any light on this?
Stock bully pinions are 12t8)



Bully axles are for sure the most comp ready axle on the market right outta the box...you cant go wrong IMHO."thumbsup"

[crashfab]

Stock bully pinions are 12t8)



Bully axles are for sure the most comp ready axle on the market right outta the box...you cant go wrong IMHO."thumbsup"

Thank you "thumbsup"

They only state "pinion included" on the site with no reference to the tooth count.

I am sold and will be going with the bully's. My only concern is what I hear about the slop in the knuckles..

[53 willys]

Thank you "thumbsup"

They only state "pinion included" on the site with no reference to the tooth count.

I am sold and will be going with the bully's. My only concern is what I hear about the slop in the knuckles..

long as you keep the knuckle bolts loc tighten in then the small amount of slop should not be an issue...

[M_Saint]

I have been going back and fourth between buying a Bully Crawler or a Newage Berg. The only thing that bothers me with the Bully is the 4-8 days just for order processing from rc4wd. If i do break something I haven't already purchased I for sure don't want to wait 4-8 days for the order of replacement parts to get processed much less shipped and then transit time in shipping. When I order hobby items online most places I order from ship within 48 hours the majority process an order and ship it out the same or following day. I am going to order one or the other by Monday still haven't decided which one yet.

Whats everyones experience with ordering both bully and berg items ?

[53 willys]

if your worried order spare parts before they break...."thumbsup" RC4WD has always shipped my spare parts really fast.

[Rockcrawler]

You asked this question in the Bully section......what do you think they are going to say? :ror:


I have been considering a set of bullys but I am still not sure if they are as strong as some are saying or if they just have a light trigger finger because of the other failures with the versions. Might just have to see one in person first.

[SACCO]

You asked this question in the Bully section......what do you think they are going to say? :ror:


I have been considering a set of bullys but I am still not sure if they are as strong as some are saying or if they just have a light trigger finger because of the other failures with the versions. Might just have to see one in person first.
Been in the same boat too. Gonna build a budget bully and give it a shot I think.....

[run2jeepn]

You asked this question in the Bully section......what do you think they are going to say? :ror:


I have been considering a set of bullys but I am still not sure if they are as strong as some are saying or if they just have a light trigger finger because of the other failures with the versions. Might just have to see one in person first.

Been in the same boat too. Gonna build a budget bully and give it a shot I think.....

The V4's are way stronger then other attempts for sure. I've beat on every axle set they came out with. Bent the V1's, Broke a V2, and Bent a V3... I haven't busted or bent the V4's yet... I've only ran them a couple of times, but ran them Hard...

The Good thing is... The V5's are even stronger... But thats not the Great News.... In a couple of weeks Testing on the New 8mm XVD will be started.

[dieselfuel]

bergs you should plan on buying at least 3 sets of axial stub axles, drilling the tubes for a servo mount, buying lockouts for the rear and rims that will only fit berg axles (the bullys use a more common axial offset, and drilling the gearboxes to clock the rear up off the ground. You also have to buy pinions for the bergs and they are metric only.


and i wouldn't have it any other way! :mrgreen:"thumbsup":mrgreen:

[M_ENERGY]

Looks like Losi is going to be joining the MOA's (by eritex) so maybe you should look into those. I know alot of people that have bully, berg, and hr are checking them out. . . so one might just be building a MOA at the right time and go that route and be on top. :| just another option "thumbsup"

[crashfab]

Looks like Losi is going to be joining the MOA's (by eritex) so maybe you should look into those. I know alot of people that have bully, berg, and hr are checking them out. . . so one might just be building a MOA at the right time and go that route and be on top. :| just another option "thumbsup"

I think that setup from Losi is a joke. It takes a raises the motors high and nearer the center of the rig.

I for one will be ordering my bully's in the am "thumbsup"

[Rockcrawler]

The V4's are way stronger then other attempts for sure. I've beat on every axle set they came out with. Bent the V1's, Broke a V2, and Bent a V3... I haven't busted or bent the V4's yet... I've only ran them a couple of times, but ran them Hard...

The Good thing is... The V5's are even stronger... But thats not the Great News.... In a couple of weeks Testing on the New 8mm XVD will be started.


Which ones will I get if I order Friday? :lol:

If the V4's are that good, why are they still trying to make them better?

[crashfab]

Which ones will I get if I order Friday? :lol:

If the V4's are that good, why are they still trying to make them better?

Its kinda like a 35spline dana 60--its very strong and tough--and they went and made that stronger "thumbsup"

[run2jeepn]

Which ones will I get if I order Friday? :lol:

If the V4's are that good, why are they still trying to make them better?

The V4's is what comes in them... The V5's just have 5mm threads...

The 8mm XVD's is what I've been begging for since the start.

It's just giving more options is all.

[comptonscrawler]

Does anyone know when the V5's will be available? I really want these axles, but if the V5's will be out soon I think i'll wait.

[LetsHandleit]

The V4's is what comes in them... The V5's just have 5mm threads...

The 8mm XVD's is what I've been begging for since the start.

It's just giving more options is all.

That will be interesting to see how they get bearings that fit the existing housings. I guess with a redesign for 8mm bearings it will work, but for the older versions I think were stuck with 6mm unless you do some machining on the housings.

[Drvnbeing]

A lot of good info here, thanks for your responses and input. And for those that just had to comment YES this is in the bully section so what do I expect? Well a lot of these guys in the BULLY section have owned bergs, where as a lot of guys in the berg section have not owned a bully nor would they because they are closed minded. Just as I stated in my first post. Thanks again to those that have given some insight on the bully's.

[Culetto]

The v4's arent bad. The v5's arent bad. The 8mm xvd look great.

The Chromoly 5mm ones that Lethandleit sells are bulletproof, period.

Bully's are the best no matter which way you run them. "thumbsup"

[crashfab]

Got mine today---I knew what was in the package, and I won't be starting mine till next week--of course I had to open the package--and rub one--wait 2 off :mrgreen:

[Ripperfi]

I've only heard of one stripped screw and it was a manufacturing issue and RC4WD replaced the part. Thats probablely one of the best things about the bullies. You can talk to the manufacturer if you have an issue and they have great service. Good luck getting the same with the bergs.

Hey that was me! I posted the issue in the bully section here and Rc4wd contacted me about the problem. How cool is that? I hadnt even contacted them directly and all they asked were for some pictures and bam! Replacement cases were sent out. Parts took only a few days to arrive. The bully fit and finish is fantastic. The price cant be beat. The customer service is the best I have ever experienced with an online vendor/manufacturer. Excellent product at an unbeatable price with superb customer service. What more could you ask for?

[Pappy]

I'm a Berg driver, and feel no loyalty either way. Avterall, we use the axles, then everything and anything else. As long as it's MOA, I'm interested. I have a set of new Berg axles now, and those were going to be my next build, but a Bully might be with the deals running on them right now.8)

Spares? Buy spare axles when you can and salvage as needed."thumbsup"

[DiEzel]

I've owned both, comp'd both and put tons of practice hours on both.


Berg 100%, Especially with how most setup's are going, Their is no way a bully will compete with a skilled driver with a LIGHT weight berg, i just feel the bully is at a huge disadvantage being significantly heavier.

Not to mention, Steering angle,Cheap hardware, Axle issues (Sure their "Fixed" but i had a million problem's and that left a sour taste in my mouth for sure.)

I own one complete set of berg spare gears, and i usually carry about 4 extra axial stubs on me at all time. I've never broke an axial stub, bent several. But never broke.

Berg = Quite.. My Bully's were loud as sin.

Wheels, Berg offset wheels generally look more bad ass "thumbsup"

This isnt bashing, You asked for an opinion and here it is. I've played both games and i feel berg is at a huge advantage all across the board.

[LetsHandleit]

The v4's arent bad. The v5's arent bad. The 8mm xvd look great.

The Chromoly 5mm ones that Lethandleit sells are bulletproof, period.

Bully's are the best no matter which way you run them. "thumbsup"

The axles are 6mm. "thumbsup"

[Culetto]

I've owned both, comp'd both and put tons of practice hours on both.


Berg 100%, Especially with how most setup's are going, Their is no way a bully will compete with a skilled driver with a LIGHT weight berg, i just feel the bully is at a huge disadvantage being significantly heavier.

Not to mention, Steering angle,Cheap hardware, Axle issues (Sure their "Fixed" but i had a million problem's and that left a sour taste in my mouth for sure.)

I own one complete set of berg spare gears, and i usually carry about 4 extra axial stubs on me at all time. I've never broke an axial stub, bent several. But never broke.

Berg = Quite.. My Bully's were loud as sin.

Wheels, Berg offset wheels generally look more bad ass "thumbsup"

This isnt bashing, You asked for an opinion and here it is. I've played both games and i feel berg is at a huge advantage all across the board.

Bitter! Party of one! Your table is ready! 8)

Actually it just all goes to show you that so much of it is personal opinion that it really is just up to you, read up, rock out!

[SACCO]

Started my bully build today. Been running a berg the last few months successfully. Just thought I would try something different. Look for an unbiased comparison and build thread real soon

[Drvnbeing]

I've owned both, comp'd both and put tons of practice hours on both.


Berg 100%, Especially with how most setup's are going, Their is no way a bully will compete with a skilled driver with a LIGHT weight berg, i just feel the bully is at a huge disadvantage being significantly heavier.

Not to mention, Steering angle,Cheap hardware, Axle issues (Sure their "Fixed" but i had a million problem's and that left a sour taste in my mouth for sure.)

I own one complete set of berg spare gears, and i usually carry about 4 extra axial stubs on me at all time. I've never broke an axial stub, bent several. But never broke.

Berg = Quite.. My Bully's were loud as sin.

Wheels, Berg offset wheels generally look more bad ass "thumbsup"

This isnt bashing, You asked for an opinion and here it is. I've played both games and i feel berg is at a huge advantage all across the board.

This is not bashing bro! You have given a legitimate argument for both sides. Yeah your a little biased because of breakage issues or whatever but I think that you brought up a really valid point of the weight issue. Thanks for your input and chiming in.

As far as the whole Losi conversion thing, sounds like a good idea except for the fact that your paying 280 bucks for some axles then having to buy another kit to mount the motors. Maybe when they just start selling the axles alone this will be thought about but for now just seems like a waste.

[BILLYGOAT]

i've owned both, comp'd both and put tons of practice hours on both.


Berg 100%, especially with how most setup's are going, their is no way a bully will compete with a skilled driver with a light weight berg, i just feel the bully is at a huge disadvantage being significantly heavier.

Not to mention, steering angle,cheap hardware, axle issues (sure their "fixed" but i had a million problem's and that left a sour taste in my mouth for sure.)

i own one complete set of berg spare gears, and i usually carry about 4 extra axial stubs on me at all time. I've never broke an axial stub, bent several. But never broke.

Berg = quite.. My bully's were loud as sin.

Wheels, berg offset wheels generally look more bad ass "thumbsup"

this isnt bashing, you asked for an opinion and here it is. I've played both games and i feel berg is at a huge advantage all across the board.


i have to go with ray, i couldnt have put my thoughts together beter than he has . I have also owned both and my new build is a berg. Jmo but i chose to spend my hard erned money that way based on lots of driving testing and building rigs. I also have a quicksand miniclod moa and i wouldnt sell it for love or money.

[Locked Up]

So how much heavier is a bully compared to a berg?


the rc4wd site says that the kit now comes with 8mm XVDs ... is that right?
http://www.rc4wdstore.com/2/product_info.php?cPath=15&products_id=757

[eric113]

So how much heavier is a bully compared to a berg?


the rc4wd site says that the kit now comes with 8mm XVDs ... is that right?
http://www.rc4wdstore.com/2/product_info.php?cPath=15&products_id=757

Edit: Thanks to Crashfab here the weight of bully axle
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1911901&postcount=5

[Locked Up]

Edit: Thanks to Crashfab here the weight of bully axle
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1911901&postcount=5

How does that compare to a berg?



I was hoping someone just had the figures in their head ;)

[eric113]

How does that compare to a berg?



I was hoping someone just had the figures in their head ;)

Have no idea what the berg weight's.

[Locked Up]

Response in the Berg Section is that they are 10.5oz.

So these are 10-12oz heavier.

[The Hack]

I like a heavier rig. I went lighter and the truck would bounce and buck and end up on its lid. Did horibly with a lighter rig so heavy is for me. I see people do good with a light truck but I tryed it and had to go back. Just my .02

[69CrazyHorse]

All I got to say is I switched from an Axial to a Bully and have placed top 5 in every comp Ive entered since I made the change.

I agree that the weight of the bully may be a disadvantage in some situations but I would also say the width of the berg axles can also be a disadvantage.

In regards to breakage I beat the hell out of my bully including 6 foot falls and (knock on wood) have never broken anything. I think that has to do with the axle shafts I bought from Letshandleit. I never did run the stock ones.

I wish that RC4WD sold a lighter bully axle. I really like the way my bully drives as is though.

Oh and I like that it sounds like a tank when it drives.