Wheely King Axle Breakdown pics [Archive] - RCCrawler.com Bulletin Board

JasonInAugusta

11-28-2006, 07:43 PM

Figured you guys might be interested in some pics and stuff.

Could this be THE new 2.2?
http://www.projecttwin.com/files/wk/1.jpg

Kingpin to kingpin measures about 6 5/8". A hair wider than a TLT axle. WMS to WMS is ~ 8 3/8"
http://www.projecttwin.com/files/wk/2.jpg

Steering knuckles and linkage removed.
http://www.projecttwin.com/files/wk/3.jpg

The Shock/link mounts are a two piece design that clamp onto the axle housing. The stock orientation is pictured nearest my fingers. This is how the stock shocks mount...pin runs front to rear.
http://www.projecttwin.com/files/wk/4.jpg

This is with the mount flipped on the axle. Here you can mount a shock and a suspension link.
http://www.projecttwin.com/files/wk/8.jpg

Axle C removed. This is keyed to the axle and the two screws pictured retain the C.
http://www.projecttwin.com/files/wk/5.jpg

The upper 3-link mount can be flipped. (Has to be able to be flipped since the ring gear has to be on opposite sides front to rear)
http://www.projecttwin.com/files/wk/6.jpg

Notice the angle of the knuckles in relation to pinion angle. "thumbsup"
http://www.projecttwin.com/files/wk/7.jpg

So, there you have it. The only thing left once removing the link mounts and Cs is to take a final four screws out to take the halves of the axle case apart.

If you have to go into the ring and pinion you'll you'll have a good bit to tear down. The good news is that the R&P is from the Nitro RS4MT...which means that you can get'm in hardened steel. "thumbsup"

Got Rocks?

11-28-2006, 07:46 PM

so wait just answer me 1 question can it be 4wd?

jason

11-28-2006, 07:46 PM

From what I understand the truck is only 2wd, if correct what is all needed to make it 4wd? Are those parts available? How does the transmission look?

BrandO

11-28-2006, 07:47 PM

So will rear axle internals fit into the front axle? In other words convert to 4wd.

JasonInAugusta

11-28-2006, 07:47 PM

It can be 4WD. Some of the parts are on the market now (diff parts) but the inner axle shafts aren't out yet.

NissanNut

11-28-2006, 07:47 PM

Nice axles. Whats the cost for just the axles? or is it cheaper to buy the kit? I bought two tlts for $69 each.

I like the TLT width though. I have not wideners on my 1/10 scale trucks. I noticed most people do widen them.

slobin3d

11-28-2006, 07:47 PM

very nice"thumbsup"

Got Rocks?

11-28-2006, 07:48 PM

YEHHAAAAWWWWW"thumbsup"

Scattman

11-28-2006, 07:48 PM

Very interesting. Have you run it? The tranny?

jason

11-28-2006, 07:49 PM

It can be 4WD. Some of the parts are on the market now (diff parts) but the inner axle shafts aren't out yet.

Not sure if your were replying to me or not, but I asked 3 questions, only one of them could be answered with a simple yes.

microgoat

11-28-2006, 07:50 PM

Got the part number for the wheels? I think I need me some 8)

Is the rear axle a straight axle, or steerable with lockouts?

BrandO

11-28-2006, 07:51 PM

Take it off any sweet jumps yet?"thumbsup" We need some video of some mad wheelies.

JasonInAugusta

11-28-2006, 07:51 PM

Jason...YES, the stock truck IS 2wd, YES it CAN be converted to 4WD, and YES, some of the parts are on the market to convert it now.

Goat...3062 might as well order 86813 while you're at it...inner axle shafts.

Tranny is spooled no slipper on the spur, rear is steerable but locked out.

slobin3d

11-28-2006, 07:54 PM

does the manual give a part # breakdown of all the parts? you should post them up"thumbsup"

Got Rocks?

11-28-2006, 07:55 PM

i may as well get one that way i can use it for bashing

JasonInAugusta

11-28-2006, 07:58 PM

does the manual give a part # breakdown of all the parts? you should post them up"thumbsup"

Don't complain about the file size. :flipoff:

http://www.projecttwin.com/files/wk/exploded.jpg

Got Rocks?

11-28-2006, 08:00 PM

wow they are pretty sweet price too $189 RTR!!!:lol:

jason

11-28-2006, 08:00 PM

ThinkTank

11-28-2006, 08:01 PM

very interesting, thanks JIA for the info , this deserves more research...
a crappy tranny has never stopped the inhabitants of RCC before.
Battery and charger included too! , goodbye pti i'm getting one of these suckers,

JasonInAugusta

11-28-2006, 08:01 PM

wow they are pretty sweet price too $189 RTR!!!:lol:

That's with a battery and charger too.

I peaked off the battery that came with it...labeled as a 1500 and it took 1996 mAh.

slobin3d

11-28-2006, 08:04 PM

the esc got much punch, any delay in reverse?

JasonInAugusta

11-28-2006, 08:04 PM

What about the transmission, does it look like it can hold up to the abuse of crawling?

Does the transmission have a front output to make it 4wd?

At $120 more than a TLT I am just wondering what other parts we can salvage from it.

The tranny is a compact lil' booger. The output is 6mm and has a thru hole, just like the Pede. In stock form the front output has a cap that is a press fit onto the shaft. It rotates with the shaft. pull it off and install your driveshaft.

It's a great donor rig at $189. Tranny, axles, and radio gear. Can't beat it!

Slobin, hard to judge "punch" in a rig that is made to ride on its azz. :lol: I'll have a better idea what it's capable of farther down the road. I hadn't put a full pack through it when I got the bug to rip it apart.

rocpede

11-28-2006, 08:11 PM

when are they going on the market for sale, becasue i may pick one up.

rich

JasonInAugusta

11-28-2006, 08:14 PM

Couple of weeks.

sicj

11-28-2006, 08:15 PM

Looks kick azz! Can't wiat to get mine. Looks really easy to do a 4 link with a top upper link mounting plate....best thing...beefy 8)

Harley0706

11-28-2006, 08:19 PM

bastard

11-28-2006, 08:29 PM

Hey JIA got any pics /mesurments of the trans?

need some carbon fiber

11-28-2006, 08:36 PM

man I gotta get me one-o-these put the 4wd parts in it and a brushless (fun stuff).

JasonInAugusta

11-28-2006, 08:46 PM

Hey JIA got any pics /mesurments of the trans?

Aaron, the rig is back together, and I'm not taking it apart again until I'm ready to mod it. The tranny is about 56mm wide (between frame rails) and 70mm or so tall. The motor sits on top of the tranny.

I just thought I'd post up a bit of info that'd be useful to the crawler crowd so anyone interested can go ahead and put'm on backorder.

bastard

11-28-2006, 08:53 PM

Cool thanks man."thumbsup"

slugzracing

11-28-2006, 09:01 PM

Those look like the ticket for 1/6th scale builds and the option of steel gears....mmmmm
Do the stub axles look a little thicker than the TLT stub?

many thanks for the pics"thumbsup"

JasonInAugusta

11-28-2006, 09:10 PM

Slugz...inner axle shafts are 6mm. Wheel axles are 5mm.

Oh, and guess what....

If you break an inner axle shaft all you have to do is remove the knuckle, slide the old shaft out, slide the new one in, and replace the knuckle.

Two screws to change the axle. "thumbsup"

sicj

11-28-2006, 09:18 PM

same thing on a TLT with the inner e-clips removed "thumbsup". King pin screws removed and axle slides out.

are the wheels 2.2's? How's the lock-to-lock kuckle swing?

JasonInAugusta

11-28-2006, 10:41 PM

Saw this is RC Car this month and looked at it online. Interested to see what the gear ratio in the tranny is. If they say it is a "Wheelie" rig it seems that it should be geared very low for more torque. If it is meant for that hopefully it would be good for all of us. Maybe kinda a pita to mount though and looks like it would have a high COG, motor up high and all..

Stock ratio is 21/90 which gives 23.39:1 overall ratio. The COG is high...it's a rig designed for wheelies. :lol:

http://www.projecttwin.com/files/wk/gear.jpg

I WILL be building a crawler with this rig. Count on it! 8)

chino63

11-28-2006, 10:59 PM

thanks for all the info. just wondering what the axle ratio is, how is the clearance under the pumpkin compared to the tlt and also clearance under the axle tube? definately looks promising!

rbgerrish

11-28-2006, 11:04 PM

Pretty cool! Thanks for posting the pics and information, I'll have to order a few for Tammies...

ryan

JasonInAugusta

11-29-2006, 10:12 AM

thanks for all the info. just wondering what the axle ratio is, how is the clearance under the pumpkin compared to the tlt and also clearance under the axle tube? definately looks promising!

1.6" under the diff, 2.2" under the axle tube...that's with the stock tires which have a diameter of 5.3"

If you measure the axle tube at the link mounts which hang down...you're looking at 1.6" there as well.

For comparison...

Ralph runs 5.5" tires. I've shaved the TLT axles. Under the diff on Ralph I have 1.7". On each side of that diff I have 2.1"

The axle ratio...

It runs the same diff as HPI's Nitro MT. 38 tooth ring with a 13 tooth pinion. 2.92:1

Got Rocks?

11-29-2006, 10:13 AM

ok so as a basher jason how does it do compared to a traxxas stampede?

JasonInAugusta

11-29-2006, 10:16 AM

Just as beatable but not as fast.

Due to weight bias and center of gravity it wants to do wheelies from a dead stop. Once moving it's more tame.

1BadJeepBruiser

11-29-2006, 10:18 AM

Good info JIA, I wonder how much it would be to just buy the parts to build the axles, or if its worth buying the kit.

Mike

JasonInAugusta

11-29-2006, 10:23 AM

Just buy the kit...it comes with 2 channel radio, servo, esc, battery.

Those can be used in something

Got Rocks?

11-29-2006, 10:24 AM

Just buy the kit...it comes with 2 channel radio, servo, esc, battery.

Those can be used in somethingplus its nice to have extra hardware

Plays_with_Toys

11-29-2006, 11:22 AM

Sweet! That thing definately has crawler written all over it. Everything is there like HPI's been reading up. The tilted ring gear input shaft, the replace able C knuckles, and the beefy driveshafts. Too bad its so expensive (even with charger and all that, they're not going to be the best electronics). I wonder if we could petition them to release a 4WD kit version.

EDIT: I looked on their site but couldn't see a good picture, is there a way you can pull the transmission and post some shots of that?

ColquittCustom405

11-29-2006, 11:26 AM

So is HPI gonna stick with this for awhile? At the very least this would be a sweet basher,even better if someone converts one.Jason can you help me get a job like you?Bastard.:x

Double J

11-29-2006, 03:13 PM

Harley0706

11-29-2006, 03:23 PM

Looking at the exploded view helps alot to see how the tranny mounts to the TVSP, I would still like to see a pic with the body off. If you could get a good strait angle at it with a ruler by it that would be AWESOME............please. The chassis being a "tube" style kinda hurts for alternative link mounts on the chassis it seems like. Might look cool riding real low with a TXT style cut up chassis.

Double J

11-29-2006, 03:37 PM

OK I've just finished looking at the exploded view (that you posted on the 1st page) of how the thing is put togeather and this tranny can be mounted sideways. It has two mounting spots on both sides, so when mounted on it's side you could add a top plate or something for extra assurance that it will stay in place.

JIA please PM me some specs so I can mod up something for a VS chassis to work with this set up. It would fit nice in a 3" wide. Maybe a plate going from the VS's top area... HHHMMMMM

EDIT: I think I a 2.75" wide would be better than the 3".

Creep

11-29-2006, 03:52 PM

AH CRAP! I just had to see this right before Christmas shopping... must not give in to the urge...

microgoat

11-29-2006, 05:15 PM

JIA, are those axle tubes square or rectangular? Reason I ask is, I'd like to know if you can mount those link brackets facing the back of the axle tube, rather than the top or bottom.

Either way, I'm gonna have to build one of these. How often do we get a new solid-axle truck? And don't say every two months, either. There was a long stretch between the TLT and the PTI.

BigRedB2

11-29-2006, 05:20 PM

12 mm hexes in the wheels i am assuiming..right? and, seems to me, you could use a rear axle up front. just flip it around.

jonnyp

11-29-2006, 06:30 PM

JIA: you got the truck before me(my LHS doesn't have them yet), but I already have a frame the works. it should make a sweet crawler.

JasonInAugusta

11-29-2006, 10:04 PM

Since you have it all togeather can you at least get a pic with the body off, and a close up of the tranny.
does it look like the tranny can be mounted in different forms to get the motor to a low point?
70mm = 2 3/4 high and I think you said 56mm wide = 2 3/16.
How are the mounting locations?

Nope. No body off shots. Frank has a full review in the Feb issue of RC Driver.

HPI has several body off shots here: http://www.hpiracing.com/products/en/10820.html

I just gave some info that I knew us crawler guys would like. If you notice when Aaron asked specific questions I was vauge. I never gave a clear response to stock performance. I gave part numbers to make the truck 4WD so those interested can have them put on backorder and be sure to get them as soon as they're availble. (That's how I got the Land Rover, had the LHS order some as soon as they were announced.)

I honestly feel that this rig will be the new donor for the 2.2 class.

Tranny, axles, 7.2V battery, and TX/RX all in one package.

I will be building a crawler based on this truck. No doubt. "thumbsup"

DJ, I think the thing will be a hit. The mini LST is $199 and is 1/18 scale. All parts are specific to that vehicle.

There's already a full buffet of wheels/tires on the market for the Wheely King (2.2" wheels, 12mm hexes), and the diffs are from the NitroMT. Axles are the same front to rear...just flipped. Cs are easily replaced, no need for wideners...

Goat..almost square. Won't be too difficult to accomplish. ;)

Creep...you know you want...no...wait...NEED one. :lol:

chino63

11-30-2006, 01:15 AM

1.6" under the diff, 2.2" under the axle tube...that's with the stock tires which have a diameter of 5.3"

If you measure the axle tube at the link mounts which hang down...you're looking at 1.6" there as well.

For comparison...

Ralph runs 5.5" tires. I've shaved the TLT axles. Under the diff on Ralph I have 1.7". On each side of that diff I have 2.1"

The axle ratio...

It runs the same diff as HPI's Nitro MT. 38 tooth ring with a 13 tooth pinion. 2.92:1

thanks jia for the rest of the critical info!:lol:

Creep

11-30-2006, 10:04 AM

Creep...you know you want...no...wait...NEED one. :lol:
Looks like Mom and Dad are getting candy for Christmas then! Or maybe it's not too late to ask Santa... I mean Dad for what toy I want under the Christmas tree... why is it a 31 y.o. needs the toys of a 13 y.o. anyway - I need a girlfriend!:roll:

swhenrik

12-01-2006, 03:37 PM

So how exactly did you get one before they are available to the public? Who do I have to bl.... nevermind :-P

The tires seem HUGE.... I'm curious what it would look like with some smaller tires, something more realistic... and maybe lowered down a little. Did you happen to try anything else on it?

I was gathering up part numbers from JIA's pic (thank for pic).... but ran into some problems.

HPI A431 Diff case for NMT
HPI A850 bevel gear set NMT
HPI A855 Ring/pinion NMT
HPI A431 screws NMT diff
- all the above diff parts, OR HPI 87600 complete diff (might be new number for Wheely King)

The rest of the 4wd conversion parts? Tower doesn't list any of these yet:
HPI 86813 dogbones
HPI 85258 U-joint/driveshaft
HPI 86810 some stub thingy

This is a common part:
HPI 86094 screw shaft (for Savage)

I was looking at getting parts for chassis mounted rear steer servo also, so I'd need the links/bellcranks. Again not listed, at least not on Tower:
HPI 85260
HPI 85257

Bearings:
HPI B030 10x15x4
HPI B022 5x11x4 (2 sets req'd)
HPI's bearing price is ridiculous, I think I'll get Avids!

miniwheeler

12-01-2006, 05:17 PM

This car will be my next 2.2 comp crawler build:twisted:

DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

12-01-2006, 05:17 PM

So how exactly did you get one before they are available to the public?Maybe it might have something to do with his job.

JasonInAugusta

12-01-2006, 07:49 PM

I was looking at getting parts for chassis mounted rear steer servo also, so I'd need the links/bellcranks. Again not listed, at least not on Tower:

You won't get rear steer with the stock setup.

Due to the width of the chassis, there is room for only one steering servo.

Expect to make some parts if you want 4WS.

Jamus

12-01-2006, 10:01 PM

Expect to make some parts

That's the whole point isn't it? It's been said but I'll repeat, thanks JIA for posting this. At first glance I didn't give this rig much thought. After seeing it closer, it'll be my next project."thumbsup"

JasonInAugusta

12-01-2006, 11:32 PM

...and THAT is why I posted it. ;)

I have a tendency to never look at things for what they are, but instead for what I can make out of them.

That's why I bought a cheese grater tonight. I don't need a cheese grater, but I can use it. "thumbsup"

Akura2

12-01-2006, 11:37 PM

video

http://www.hpiracing.com/movies/10820_001.mov

TLTCrawlin

12-01-2006, 11:38 PM

I see a crawler for my friend!

william g

12-02-2006, 02:53 PM

very interesting indeed "thumbsup" Jason thanks for the details.

Rat1

12-02-2006, 08:45 PM

http://www.hpiracing.com/options/en/10820.html
#85250 AXLE/DIFFERENTIAL CASE SET (Front/Rear)

Then click on parts list for the stock parts.

I am assuming this would be an easy conversion to 4wd. Both the front and rear axles are the same part number so all that should be needed are the internals to put in the front axle. It is said that the rear is steerable which means the axle shafts in the rear have some type of joint on them for use in the frotn axle.

There was mention the transmission output went straight through but was plugged on the front side so a drive shaft should plug right into it. the question is, is the distance between the trans to the front the same as it is to the rear? I am seriously lookign into this truck btu not unless it can be converted to 4wd without dropping a bunch of greenbacks on it.

I am thnking that dropping 200.00 on this would be better for me then going the TLT route since I can use it as is right now and with very little modification it can start going to work crawling around the living room for less money and less work.

Jamus

12-02-2006, 08:53 PM

Have you read this whole thread? JIA posted a diagram of how everything goes together. A guy on the last page even went through and listed part numbers. Check the diagram and all will be clear. Very easy to turn 4wd.

nd4spdbh

12-02-2006, 08:58 PM

WOWOWO them axles are beefe.... i mean to take a 10ft drop off a ledge and land for a straight axle to not break... VERY GOOD... the tlt axle would have a very hard time of standing up to that... pluss it looks like these axles will fit pede sliders no prob! man i smell a replacement for tlt! mabey...

swhenrik

12-02-2006, 10:38 PM

Maybe it might have something to do with his job.

I know, just giving him some crap LOL.

You won't get rear steer with the stock setup.

Due to the width of the chassis, there is room for only one steering servo.

Expect to make some parts if you want 4WS.

I noticed that also. Looks like the steering servo is mounted in the center and no room like you said... modding required? Cool! "thumbsup"

I also wondered about running 4ws with a single servo. Lame? Maybe. But might be simpler to install.

I just got an official HPI parts list spreadsheet for the truck, so I'll go through it and verify the part numbers I posted.

ned

12-02-2006, 11:39 PM

what diameter and length are the shocks?

run2jeepn

12-03-2006, 01:44 AM

Looks funner then the Stampede I had....

Jamus

12-03-2006, 11:56 PM

Just out of curiosity I went through the numbers of what it would take to convert it to 4wd. All prices except bearings are off of HPIs site. Added up to around $80. I'm hoping the parts will be cheaper once it comes out.

Rat1

12-04-2006, 06:30 AM

That does sound a little high. At one time HPI had the wheelie king at a suggested retail of over 300 dollars but they are listed for under 200 dollars from tower etc. Possibly the same deal with the parts????

Jamus

12-04-2006, 09:18 AM

Not sure but i hope so. The HPI bearings are pricey but can be had other places. A few items that I could find on tower were usueally a few cents difference than HPI. $5.79 VS $6. It would be great if they sold all the parts to convert it in a single item, and for less, like around $50. It's not that bad but when you consider a whole TLT kit is $70 shipped, but the TLT kits are rediculously cheap these days.

Plays_with_Toys

12-04-2006, 09:21 AM

I imagine they'll release a 4wd kit, like traxxas did with their tmaxx sport. HPI has even done it with their savage and the reverse modules and stuff. I just don't see why HPI didn't go 4WD from the get go, would've been cheaper in the long run, but maybe less money for them? Or maybe it got too much forward traction and didn't wheely?

Jamus

12-04-2006, 04:34 PM

The wheely aspect would be my guess. Added weight and traction, still would probably pop wheelies though.

william g

12-04-2006, 04:38 PM

wheelie aspect and cheap enough to compete w/ the stampedes

mikesativa

12-06-2006, 05:53 AM

I'm building a TLT, now I want those axles instead. Man ,JIA sure did point out all the goodies to make me drool over the specs.. Nice job"thumbsup"

BTW, are you the one who built the New Bright Computer RC? I think it was an Avalache 1/6 scale.

Jamus

12-06-2006, 08:17 AM

Yeah I think JIA must have stock in HPI.:flipoff: Naw, but I think most people saw some potential in this rig but after this thread it's opening eyes. What I'm wondering about is what tires will be able to be run. TLTs come with what, a 3.75" tire? And we normally run 5"+ on them. This thing comes with a 5.3" tire, so could we go upwards of 6" tires? The axle shaft bearings are 5mm which is the same as the TLT I think. Everything else about the WK axle is stronger though. I'm willing to bet the WK axles will handle the ALL-Ts and larger tires like that, maybe even get into maxx sizes, I hope anyway.

JasonInAugusta

12-11-2006, 06:24 PM

Yup, I think All-T's would be great on these axles. ;)

Drove it a bit today.

Removed the wheelie bar and went bombing around with it.

Fun truck.

andres-tavares

12-11-2006, 06:53 PM

looks like fun

a question how many miles this truck goes??..a mean how fast??

thanks

Rat1

12-11-2006, 07:01 PM

Give me more info if you have it. Do you know if they are offering a 4x4 conversion kit yet????

I have been waiting on this and if they do have an inespensive conversion kit then I might hold off on the TLT and get this one instead.

Harley0706

12-11-2006, 08:58 PM

read the rest of the thread, it is able to be converted, but it does not seem they have a package deal YET.

I would bet my lunch money that they release one soon after.

Jamus

12-11-2006, 09:42 PM

Yeah, be patient, the truck isn't even available yet. Unless you're special, haha.

rockman27

12-12-2006, 06:14 AM

might have to get me one!!!!!
can't wait to see a vid of it trying to crawl!!

Jamus

12-12-2006, 08:04 PM

I'm wondering what it will take to get it geared for crawling. GD600? Lathe? I'm sure brushless would rock but it's out of my budget.

choprz4life

12-15-2006, 10:15 AM

I'm not sure if I'm right, but using the exploded diagram JIA posted along with HPI's parts list, I come up with $105.50 for the parts required to make it 4WD. Seems like it'd be better to either buy 2 kits (only an additional $85 over buying all the parts seperate). Plus, you'd have a lot of spare parts (extra battery,charger,radio gear etc.!) Or wait for them to offer a 4WD version. Also, you don't know when a lot of these spare parts will become available. This is obviously only if your looking to keep it a MT and making it 4WD. For crawlers, you'd want to buy just the parts you need.

Can't imagine what it would cost if you wanted to buy all the parts for 2 complete axles? Most of these parts are fairly inexpensive too. Don't know if they'll drop that much at Tower?

Jamus

12-15-2006, 10:35 AM

That price is using HPI bearrings right? That's how I came up with around $80, but looking up cheaper bearrings from tower. Then I found that I have a few from my TLT leftovers box so it would drop it a little more. I'm still hoping they'd bundle the 4wd parts in say a $50 kit or something.

choprz4life

12-15-2006, 10:41 AM

Yea, Jamus, that's using everything off HPI's site. I agree, you could get the bearings cheaper (which was about $43 of the cost). I also hope that HPI comes up with a conversion kit for 4WD. Or quickly offers a 4WD RTR kit. But, how many of us can wait for that?!! :lol:

BrockGrimes

12-20-2006, 03:05 AM

Here's a Pic of just the rear axle breakdown.
You can right down a parts list from this then
mark off what you already get from the front axle
to figure out what you need to buy for 4wd. I
included the diff. in the upper right hand corner.
Some parts in this picture wont be used like the brace
in the lower left corner of the pic.
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/35305054871.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4295103)

Maybe someone will get ambishious and write up a
parts list for both axles and a list of what's needed for 4wd.

swhenrik

12-20-2006, 08:24 AM

Maybe someone will get ambishious and write up a
parts list for both axles and a list of what's needed for 4wd.

Did you look at page 3 of this thread yet? I DID exactly that.

STANG KILLA SS

12-20-2006, 09:37 AM

seems beefier all around than a TLT axle case ( knuckles, C's etc) does this seem to be true?
also looks like FRP as apposed to just ABS. true?

JasonInAugusta

12-20-2006, 09:43 AM

Yes, beefier than TLT axles. That's why I'm putting them under Ver 2.5 of Ralph. "thumbsup"

And yes, this is a composite instead of ABS.

Natedog

12-21-2006, 04:16 PM

HPI looks great, thanks JIA!

BL_Force

12-23-2006, 12:46 PM

Tower has a few left in stock as of this morning. They got their first shipment in yesterday. I ordered one before they run out. Now, I just have to wait on them to get the spare axle shafts, driveshaft, and pinion shaft in stock so I can go 4x4. I have all the other stuff, which is shared with the MT2.:) I have a feeling this truck's axles will be the next big thing in RC crawling under the right chassis.

JasonInAugusta

12-23-2006, 05:47 PM

I have a feeling this truck's axles will be the next big thing in RC crawling under the right chassis.

They're beefier than TLT axles.

I'm anxious to get Ralph wrapped up so I can take him wheelin'.

Creep

01-01-2007, 05:57 PM

Well Christmas has come and gone so I ordered one WK from Tower (back ordered :-( ). I also ordered some Moabs. I will be turning mine into front wheel drive to see what it does on some ice and stuff then convert it to 4x4 when possible... no wheelies for me, thanks!

fjfjfj

01-01-2007, 11:34 PM

hi all, seem like alot of you interesting for this truck, you can get them at ultimatehobbies.com ( search for hpi wheelly king ) instock now for $159 free shipping for online order. good luck."thumbsup"

fjfjfj

01-01-2007, 11:38 PM

$30.00 cheaper than tower plus free shipping:roll:

Creep

01-02-2007, 07:28 AM

It's funny you mentioned that cuz I cancelled my back order from Tower last night and ordered from UH where they are not on backorder. My discount from Tower put it at $169 w/free shipping. The Moabs were still cheaper at Tower though.

swhenrik

01-02-2007, 09:04 AM

I got my Wheely King Sunday, converted it to 4wd on Monday. It's a lot more fun as 4wd!!!

These are NMT and WK parts:
HPI A431 Diff case for NMT
HPI A850 bevel gear set NMT
HPI A855 Ring/pinion NMT
HPI B030 10x15x4 bearing (Or Avids)
HPI B022 11x5x4 bearing (Or Avids)

These are non-WK parts I had to use:
HPI A553 NMT center rear dogbone (Perfect length!)
HPI 72107 NMT drive cup, center (hole must be bored larger)
HPI A558 NMT drive cup, diff outdrives
HPI A559 NMT drive cup, diff input

The NMT has outdrives (drive cups) on the diff, the WK does not, but the drive cups are needed for my method, and will easily fit inside the axle.

I used a piece of 1/4" steel rod to make dogbones to drive the wheels. One end slips into the drive cup on the diff, one end slips into the drive cup at the wheel. This must be used at the BACK of the truck, with no rear steering. Therefore move the rear axle to the front and vice versa before starting. I cross drilled the ends of the 3/8" rod and pushed pins into the holes to make it look like a dog bone.

The drive cup I used (72107) didn't fit on the WK tranny, I had to enlarge the hole. Using a drill bit was a waste of time, and a waste of about 4 drill bits! A dremel with a tiny stone and a lot of patience and I got it to fit on the WK tranny.

Creep

01-02-2007, 06:52 PM

I decided to bug HPI about a 4WD conversion kit and they said "just for fun" they came up with this list of things needed for the conversion. I know it has probably all been posted, but here it is from HPI, nice and clean:

Part Number__________________Description_______________ _Quantity

6819__________________O-Ring P-3 (5pcs)________________1

85258_________________Universal Drive Set________________1

86094____________Screw Shaft M4x2x12mm (6pcs)__________1

86810_____________Gear Shaft 5x6x29mm (1pcs)____________1

86813_____________Drive Shaft 6x82mm (2pcs)_____________1

A431___________________Diff Case Set____________________1

A850_________DIFF BEVEL GEAR P1x13T / P1x10T Set________1

A855_________DIFF BEVEL GEAR P1x38T / P1x13T Set________1

B022____________Ball Bearing 5x11x4mm (2pcs)_____________2

B030___________Ball Bearing 10x15x4mm (2pcs)_____________1

JohnRobHolmes

01-04-2007, 05:57 PM

got mine today. As a stocker, it is pretty slow but probably unbreakable. It will wheelie from a standstill, but has instant reverse to forward action for easy wheelies. Ran one pack (1500's charged up to 1900mah) and then put in my Mamba 5400 system with a matched pack. Its probably 20mph with the stock gearing on 6 cells now. Runtime will be rediculously long. I got bored before I ran the pack down. Wheelies at half throttle were easy, and have full punch control enabled to ease the strain on the parts.

Nothing broke at "high" speed, so these axles are definatly stronger than TLT ones. I will probably buy another truck for the extra axle and parts.

swhenrik

01-05-2007, 08:18 AM

The parts that aren't available yet, should be very soon. Tower is listing ETA as "Mid Jan".

Theres pics to my 4wd conversion here: http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54663
Which may actually be stronger then stock.

Creep

01-05-2007, 08:47 AM

Got mine yesterday too! It's a fun truck that can take a beating in stock form. I can't believe how light the tranny is. I took it out to see what I could do to get the motor lower in a tuber. I would like to try to use this little tranny, but not sure I will. The axles though are very cool!

skellyo

01-05-2007, 10:59 AM

Hopefully mine will be here mid next week. I ordered mine from Ultimatehobbies on Monday when they were on sale for $160 shipped. I really do hate the lengthy ground shipping from CA to here in FL though.

fjfjfj

01-05-2007, 11:30 AM

shipping ups ground is not that long, it take me 4 days to get my, im in OK right now, ok.. got to go try out the truck..he..he...

JasonInAugusta

01-05-2007, 11:53 AM

The axles though are very cool!

Seems the axles were meant to be used in crap like this, doesn't it? :twisted:

http://www.projecttwin.com/files/ralph/ups.jpg

Slyp Dawg

01-05-2007, 03:50 PM

nice steering setup! I think that those WK axles are going to be better for Ralph than the TLT ones were! under the assumption that you are using the same offset rims, the added track width can never hurt

Creep

01-05-2007, 04:22 PM

JIA, The rebuild is looking good! I was looking at mounting my link/shock mounts like that but the taper of the axle tube and the width threw me off. What did you do to get them to stay located? If U don't mind me asking!

JasonInAugusta

01-05-2007, 07:33 PM

Highmark

01-05-2007, 07:43 PM

So...just out of curiosity. One has to wonder if maybe these would hold up under super class usage as a light weight and high clearance alternative to the bigger TXT axles and such.

Just a thought.

JasonInAugusta

01-05-2007, 08:21 PM

John...

Considering they have these (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJYM2&P=M) available...they might just work. :mrgreen:

KING BLING

01-07-2007, 10:50 AM

dezfan

01-07-2007, 12:21 PM

Drove Johnrobs yesterday, they are a blast to drive stock!

As soon as I can afford it, I'll be ordering one!"thumbsup"

run2jeepn

01-07-2007, 12:22 PM

Drove Johnrobs yesterday, they are a blast to drive stock!

As soon as I can afford it, I'll be ordering one!"thumbsup"

Final you are coping me. I have one ordered aswell. Bastard....:twisted:

Gula

01-07-2007, 01:00 PM

Mine is on it's way. I dont know if any of you have or own a HPI MT or MT2 I own 2 of them and they are tough mothers, diff parts are dirt cheap for the stock ones or if you get the MT2SS ones or the hardened MT ones they are a bit pricey but mine have held up fine in mine for the last 3 years. The only thing is that in the MT diff housing you have to shim the pinion to ring gear with a thin washer

JasonInAugusta

01-07-2007, 06:20 PM

So Any Idea Of What Drivelines Will Work If Your Going To Lengthen The Wheelbase? Im Thinking Of Going To 12.5" On A Tuber. I Would Also Like To Make A Rear Driveline Disconnect, But Im Not Shure Where To Start With The Drivelines.

Revo shafts work just fine.

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5371

You can see them installed in this post (http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showpost.php?p=538200&postcount=106)

payableondeath6

01-12-2007, 05:31 AM

Any updates on parts or a conversion kit? It is almost mid-january.

Considering getting one of these for my first trail truck instead of the TLT route.

DeaDShorT

01-14-2007, 10:46 AM

Anyone got a clever leaf spring mount, or any ideas to do so? Still on the fence WK/TLT/HL axles...

I could almost buy the whole WK for the price of the HL axle parts alone:shock:.

Cheftyler

01-14-2007, 03:08 PM

Anyone got a clever leaf spring mount, or any ideas to do so? Still on the fence WK/TLT/HL axles...

I could almost buy the whole WK for the price of the HL axle parts alone:shock:.

X 2

MountainCat

01-16-2007, 11:11 PM

Very Good Post!!!

It seems I have a bunch of them parts around from various other projects... Could be a 4x4 in no time

YES !!!!

Swampth1ng

02-05-2007, 02:18 PM

The HPI Wheely King is one tough truck, I was recently looking for a fun electric truck. I first seen it on HPI's site and then I went looking for videos on youtube. Heres what I found.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUFnTavAL8Y

If this video is for real, Im getting a wheely king. Theres more Wheely king vids on youtube aswell.

-Does anyone know if the Clod Buster is comparable to the wheely king?

Got Rocks?

02-05-2007, 02:27 PM

K_B

02-05-2007, 04:49 PM

-Does anyone know if the Clod Buster is comparable to the wheely king?

The Clod is considerably larger and uses an entirely different drivetrain setup; dual motors, one on each axle, etc. etc.

SteepJeep

02-19-2007, 08:39 PM

I was wondering if any of you Wheely King owners could give me a dimension from the centerline of shock shaft to shock shaft, preferably at the axle. I am building a chassis and would like an idea for width.
Thanks,
Aaron

NickRummy

02-20-2007, 07:33 AM

this should be pretty close to perfect for center to center at the axle mounts.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Cad%20Files%20and%20Renderings/WKaxledimssm2.jpg

SteepJeep

02-20-2007, 05:06 PM

Awesome! Its nice to see so many mechanical designers on this board! What program are you running for that drawing? It messes with my head when I see things drawn in anything other than AutoCAD.:D Im so used to using it at work....Very nice by the way!
-Aaron-

NickRummy

02-21-2007, 06:10 AM

That was all drawn in Autocad R14 :D

rockbender

02-24-2007, 09:31 AM

I will post pics of my full on 2.2 hpi axled crawler when I get back home.
We have allready made a chassis kit for it with stock tranny or Any other tranny.
THese are the axles of the future.

JasonInAugusta

02-24-2007, 10:05 AM

top242

03-03-2007, 09:58 AM

hi, i am fron spain, sorry my english. I need aid to begin with this car. That I need aside from the original car, he is better to buy the whole or single car the axes? Thanks for all the information. With photos better.

JasonInAugusta

03-03-2007, 11:14 AM

Buying the whole car used to be the way to go, but HPI Europe announced the 4WD Wheely King.

You might want to wait for the 4WD version.

top242

03-03-2007, 11:21 AM

Thanzs!, is necessary another transmission (tranny)? to change the inclination of the shock absorbers? It is possible to become a chassis customized? there are already measures for it? Thank you very much!
that extra they are necessary?

JasonInAugusta

03-03-2007, 11:26 AM

top242, check out the following for more info:

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53677

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57656

top242

03-03-2007, 11:27 AM

thanzs again!, one more question, ist better option chose this car or custom TLT-1 or clod?

JasonInAugusta

03-03-2007, 11:30 AM

Honestly I'd go with whichever rig you can easily get parts for.

top242

03-03-2007, 11:36 AM

Thanks, I see but easy obtain pieces of car new, that of one discontinued ;). That is the reason to fix to me to this car. Here in Spain, is little liking to these cars. For that reason yours opinion is of much aid for my. If he were possible to construct a chassis, serious but perhaps interesting to buy single the axes and reducing? Or by the price is better the whole car? I already have of transmitter and servo, bateria and shipper.

JasonInAugusta

03-03-2007, 11:39 AM

The parts are available to build the axles but, unless you get the axle assemblies off ebay, you'll pay a large amount of the RTR price to build the axles.

Ebay might be your best option to get complete axle assemblies.

top242

03-03-2007, 04:55 PM

one question more. Is posible "superclass crawler" building?

cotharyus

03-04-2007, 08:26 AM

Jason, a couple of things.

First, and slightly off topic - Thank you to you and all the guys at RCD for the time you put into that, and for picking up on the WK thing, and doing what you did with it.

I just picked up a WK this week, and like everyone else, I'm waiting for a few parts to come off back order - of course, I need to swing by my LHS too - seems like Larry had NMT diff case in there....

As far as the sliders go, how far do you think the stock 4-link can be extended using the stock sliders?

There are little ridges on the axle housings that look like they hold the bottom link/shock mount brackets in place - I'm trying to build a crawler a step at a time, and want to combat the twist a little - moving the mounts all the way out on the axle should help, but do you think they'll stay put?

I'm looking forward to keeping up what you do with Ralph. I've been fabricating stuff in the shop for a long time, but I've never extended that work to my R/C habit. I figure after 20+ years, it's time for me to build something of my own. Thanks for the inspiration.

NickRummy

03-05-2007, 06:37 AM

swhenrik

03-05-2007, 08:14 AM

You MIGHT be able to stretch the wheelbase to around 10.5" using the stock sliders but that would be getting close. There wouldn't be much material hooked together and could be pretty week. Maxx drive shafts will fit right onto the pinion shaft and the tranny output shaft. I stretched my WK to 12.5" using the maxx drive shafts. I had to cut the drive shafts down about 1/4" but it only took 5 minutes with the dremel.

I agree, the stock drive shafts aren't able to be extended much.

An interesting side note... the Maxx shafts and WK shafts are exactly the same, you can slide one half of the Maxx shaft into the other half of a WK shaft for example. This might make it possible to combine other parts, either for extending wheelbase or just for buying less parts. "thumbsup"

For example, get this: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVSEARCH=4951 and combine it with the stock parts.

NickRummy

03-05-2007, 08:42 AM

Just make sure you get the yokes that are for the emaxx tranny or for the diff output because I learned from JIA that the yokes for the Tmaxx tranny are 5mm and will NOT work!

cotharyus

03-05-2007, 10:49 AM

Just make sure you get the yokes that are for the emaxx tranny or for the diff output because I learned from JIA that the yokes for the Tmaxx tranny are 5mm and will NOT work!

Hmm. Interesting. So if I want to make the wb longer, I need different sliders. I've got links to T-Maxx sliders, and advice that I only want E-Maxx sliders, and everyone else is talking about revo sliders.

So, which do I want? :)

NickRummy

03-05-2007, 10:58 AM

I used these.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDDS6&P=ML

and these

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVPROFIL=++&FVSEARCH=4951&FVPROFIL=++

you DO NOT want these.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDDT2&P=ML

Creep

03-05-2007, 11:42 AM

I used Revo shafts which slide right on after a bit of work, but they are big in diameter = stout though!

swhenrik

03-05-2007, 03:51 PM

I picked up a set of Revo shafts. That's also what JIA used on Ralph 2.5. But they are HUGE compared to the Maxx shafts, I had no idea til I had them both in my hand. Maxx shafts are the same size as the WK shafts.

cotharyus

03-05-2007, 04:21 PM

aight, that answers that question. I have half of the equation. I'll get there eventually.

cammok5

03-05-2007, 07:56 PM

aight, that answers that question. I have half of the equation. I'll get there eventually. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTO0150P this is what youll need. rtr 4x4 for under 300 wow:shock:

cotharyus

03-06-2007, 05:04 AM

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTO0150P this is what youll need. rtr 4x4 for under 300 wow:shock:

That link doesn't load anything? Anyhow, I've got a WK I'm mutilating over here already. I want my wife to make faces while she examines my engineering feats, not shoot me for buying another truck! :)

clarkrw3

03-06-2007, 06:46 AM

I have everything i need to make it 4wheel drive except the axle shafts which are on back order everywhere.....I did pick up hardened gears for both diffs So no broken diffs here "thumbsup"

Harley0706

03-25-2007, 02:49 PM

This is related to the axles and since it is a stick hopefully people will be able to find them here in the future.

WK Servo mounts templates for downloading (free).
Just PM me and I will send you the template, you can cut them out and make your own servo mount.

Standard
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Renderings/WKServoboxed1.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Renderings/Servo.jpg

Behind the Axle - BTA
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Renderings/BTARender.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Renderings/Clearance.jpg

Hope it helps people

NickRummy

03-26-2007, 09:19 AM

Looks good Josh! I personally wouldn't put that bend on the opposite side of the servo but I guess it would be nice to have it there in case you want to mount a battery pack huh?

Harley0706

03-26-2007, 10:38 AM

yeah that bend is only there incase you want it for batteries or whatever else. If someone is fabbing them themselves it will be really easy to disinclude.

Again, thanks for modeling the axles, they are a huge help.

Josh

NickRummy

03-26-2007, 11:29 AM

Lets just hope I did them accurately huh? :D We'll see when someone uses a template and tries to make one.

yeah that bend is only there incase you want it for batteries or whatever else. If someone is fabbing them themselves it will be really easy to disinclude.

Again, thanks for modeling the axles, they are a huge help.

Josh

Harley0706

03-26-2007, 11:34 AM

Actually a machinest that we all know on here is going to cut a couple. Since I don't have a WK yet though I may have to give mine to someone to test. And heck if they don't get your dremel out and stop being a little girl. Haha.

Josh

NickRummy

03-26-2007, 11:36 AM

you can give one to me!!!! I have a spare axle housing sitting here I can bolt one up to!

Actually a machinest that we all know on here is going to cut a couple. Since I don't have a WK yet though I may have to give mine to someone to test. And heck if they don't get your dremel out and stop being a little girl. Haha.

Josh

patatron

03-27-2007, 01:49 AM

The only downside to these axles is the dogbones are super weak (The shaft from the diff to the knuckle). I broke 1 in 2 battery packs of non-harsh driving, and they are virtually impossible to find replacements of at this point. If anyone knows where to get them, let me know! I did this with my bone stock truck. I havent been able to drive it, so I canabalized another WK I bought to make this one 4WD (Well 3WD untill I can find replacement shafts anyway), and have been modding it since, but havent driven it because I cant find any more axles, and 3WD doesn't excite me that much.

NickRummy

03-27-2007, 05:01 AM

Are you still running the stock motor? If so I don't know why you are having problems. I've been thrashing on mine and haven't broke any drive train parts.

The only downside to these axles is the dogbones are super weak (The shaft from the diff to the knuckle). I broke 1 in 2 battery packs of non-harsh driving, and they are virtually impossible to find replacements of at this point. If anyone knows where to get them, let me know! I did this with my bone stock truck. I havent been able to drive it, so I canabalized another WK I bought to make this one 4WD (Well 3WD untill I can find replacement shafts anyway), and have been modding it since, but havent driven it because I cant find any more axles, and 3WD doesn't excite me that much.

patatron

03-27-2007, 05:07 AM

Are you still running the stock motor? If so I don't know why you are having problems. I've been thrashing on mine and haven't broke any drive train parts.

It was bone stock when this happened. But I have a feeling it was a factory defect, because this is the piece I pulled out...

http://i10.tinypic.com/2ufsvlt.jpg

I am assuming that the drive pin was half missing like that from the get go, and that the torque on that one side of the pin caused the actual axle to snap.

tmaxxking1

03-31-2007, 02:32 AM

I Would Email HPI

They Amazed Me When They Started Sending Out All 4 Control Arms For The Hell Fire For Free

It's Worth The Email Takes You 10 Seconds To Do

They Might Send You A Replacement For Free

Even If You Already Bought One A Free Back Up Would Be Nice To Have

Give It A Shot

HauntFreaks.com

04-03-2007, 12:37 PM

ok I'm to lazy to open my WK axle (well until i get my front 4wd parts) does anyone have a pic of its innereds... (front half of cover off.. diff, bearings and axles still in back half)... if so could you post it up.... thanks

swhenrik

04-03-2007, 01:41 PM

In one of my threads I have a couple pics....

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54663

Here's one of them:
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=25319&d=1167842134

A bunch of Cadd pics here:
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20002

Individual part pics on HPI's page:
http://www.hpiracing.com/kits/parts.php?partNo=10820

And of course pics in this thread.

And there's pics in the manual if you have a truck.

HauntFreaks.com

04-03-2007, 01:52 PM

PERFECT!!.... thanks!!... great tips as well...

My main reason for asking was I wanted to see if the axles road on bearings...

swhenrik

04-03-2007, 02:07 PM

PERFECT!!.... thanks!!... great tips as well...

My main reason for asking was I wanted to see if the axles road on bearings...

Yep, small bearings out at the end of the housing, before the hubs. I believe they are mostly there to keep crud out of the axle housing.

HauntFreaks.com

04-03-2007, 02:14 PM

swhenrik

04-03-2007, 02:19 PM

do you think if you could have had the end of the 1/4" rod machined to fit in to the diff like the stock axles do, it would be better??... or do you feel your setup is stronger?... I ask this because if machining it would be better I would do so at a friends machine shop.... whats your opinion??

I answered your question before you asked.... "thumbsup"
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51121

We're also discussing it in this thread:
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66124

Wanna talk about it there to keep it together?

clarkrw3

04-09-2007, 10:36 PM

codizzl

04-10-2007, 10:19 PM

sweet they look like they could work better then tlt :shock:

swhenrik

04-11-2007, 08:32 AM

I just realized tonight that when switching to the Hardened gears it switches your pinion from stock 6mm to 5mm output. So if you are planning on switching to hardened gears later you will have to switch drive shafts as well. I bought Revo shafts and am going to have to go back to 5mm Tmax shafts.

Just an FYI"thumbsup"

I figured that would be an issue, and I've been waiting for someone to try it..... Looks like you get to be the Guinea pig?

The hardened pinion shaft doesn't have flats on it either. Does the Revo shaft still slip on, but it's sloppy? Can you still put in the cross pin/screw? Can you then fill the voids on each side with something, like plastic chunks or JB weld?

clarkrw3

04-11-2007, 12:06 PM

I figured that would be an issue, and I've been waiting for someone to try it..... Looks like you get to be the Guinea pig?

The hardened pinion shaft doesn't have flats on it either. Does the Revo shaft still slip on, but it's sloppy? Can you still put in the cross pin/screw? Can you then fill the voids on each side with something, like plastic chunks or JB weld?

It has one flat side but not two and doesn't have a hole...which makes it hard being that it is a "hardened" shaft that is harder to drill through. I think what I am going to do is use the Jato shafts with the metal ends and since I am using a R2 trans I will just take off the 6mm adapters I picked up from RC4WD and go back to 5mm-5mm which is fine.
I just wanted people to know that the hardened gears are different and that they are not 6mm like stock.

JIA's Dad

04-12-2007, 11:38 PM

clarkrw3

04-13-2007, 06:34 AM

RC4WD sells adapters that converts the 5mm to 6mm and one from 6mm to 5mm. They are listed at $8.99.

Thanks. Yes i purchased two of the 5mm to 6mm adapters to convert my R2 to 6mm to match the wk axle outputs. However, when switching to hardened gears the axles become 5mm outputs. So rather then getting more 5-6 adaptors to convert the axles back to 6mm I am just going to have both at 5mm and use Jato shafts rather than the revo ones......make sense???

swhenrik

04-13-2007, 08:15 AM

I didn't notice the flat in any pics, but it makes sense, the set screw in the metal drive cup needs something to press against. Making a second flat would be semi easy with a dremel with a stone on it (and some patience), but a cross pin would still be necessary. Drilling the hardened gear does sounds like a problem.

Ahh yes... running a R2 tranny would make the Jato shafts more appealing. Or run T-Maxx tranny output yokes (5mm) on both ends of the Maxx shafts? http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDDT2&P=Z

clarkrw3

04-14-2007, 02:58 PM

For the hardened gears which are 5mm output and to the R2 trans I have found that these traxxas part numbers work great!!!

4927X times 2
4951X

Very nice beefy shafts and perfect lenth"thumbsup""thumbsup"

Thanks. Yes i purchased two of the 5mm to 6mm adapters to convert my R2 to 6mm to match the wk axle outputs. However, when switching to hardened gears the axles become 5mm outputs. So rather then getting more 5-6 adaptors to convert the axles back to 6mm I am just going to have both at 5mm and use Jato shafts rather than the revo ones......make sense???

JasonInAugusta

04-19-2007, 07:10 PM

I've built a number of WK axled rigs since I created this thread. It is a general assumption that the WK axles are better suited to larger vehicles...like 1/6 scale, etc.

Check it out...

TLT axle on top with Blackfoot stub axles (Something we do to get a little extra track width and make the rigs more stable in an off-camber situation) and Pede fronts. Width: 10.25"

WK axle on bottom with double-narrowed Pede rears. Width: 10.25"

http://www.projecttwin.com/files/wk/tltwk.jpg

Now...which of those two will have better steering force at the tires with the same servo? It won't be the TLT. "thumbsup"