My WK Trail truck

[NickRummy]

I picked up a wheely king weeks ago. Put a 2S lipo in it and have been beating it up. Decided I wanted to stretch the wheelbase to stop the wheely action and turn it into a capable trail truck that would be decent on rocks, good in mud, good climber etc...

Made my own lower links and mounted a tamiya upper stack bracket on the top of the WK axle for the upper links. I was going to wait on making upper links until I got the lower links put together but I found out that the 112mm revo rods worked just about perfectly. I also mounted the bottom of the shock to the screw that holds the C-hub in. I'm going to still make my own upper links.

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I cut about 1/4" off of stock maxx drive shafts. I'm not sure what happened here but I ended up buying half shafts with yokes and the yokes had a 5mm shaft diameter? I thought maxxes all used 6mm? Maybe they were for a different vehicle.... so I had to buy new yokes.

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I'm going to run swamp dawgs and some type of beadlock wheels (if axials ever come out) but here it is with the WK wheels.

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The mandatory flex shot.

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I'll be running a rubicon body but I got this suburban body from sloppy so I set it on there. It looks decent to me. I might try some savage shocks to get the chassis up in the air some more. I think about 3/4" higher would be nice and the stock shocks are just way to short for that. That center section is going to drag like a mother since it doesn't have a skid plate. It's a trail truck after all so I'm not to worried about center of gravity. It would look a lot better with some more of that chassis hidden too.

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[Big Mike]

Did you hack up some Easton arrow shafts for your lower links? Those should be strong alright. Looking good so far...

[JasonInAugusta]

I cut about 1/4" off of stock maxx drive shafts. I'm not sure what happened here but I ended up buying half shafts with yokes and the yokes had a 5mm shaft diameter? I thought maxxes all used 6mm? Maybe they were for a different vehicle.... so I had to buy new yokes.



T-Maxx transmissions use 5mm yokes. (TRA4927)
E-Maxx transmissions and the Maxx diff inputs/outputs use 6mm yokes. (TRA4928 )

[NickRummy]

Did you hack up some Easton arrow shafts for your lower links? Those should be strong alright. Looking good so far...

Yup, here is the thread on them.

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62569

JIA, that explains the mishap!

[swhenrik]

I posted in JIA's thread about this, but I'll put it here too... The WK shafts and Maxx shafts are exactly the same, you can mix and match parts from each. So, put your WK ends on the maxx shafts for example.

[Rat1]

I was looking at your pinion angles a bit and they seem to be a bit on the severe side. Not sure but you might want to shorten up the upper links or lengthen the lower links to get the pinion angles more inline.

[NickRummy]

I agree with you %100 however, if I change the upper links to help with pinion angle my caster is going to get rediculous. Remember that the WK axles are setup to point the pinion up at the bottom of the tranny. I ran it aorund and I have no drive shaft binding. Clocking the C-hubs on the axle would be nice but I don't want to grind off the tabs on the axle housings to do that.

I was looking at your pinion angles a bit and they seem to be a bit on the severe side. Not sure but you might want to shorten up the upper links or lengthen the lower links to get the pinion angles more inline.

[Rat1]

I agree with you %100 however, if I change the upper links to help with pinion angle my caster is going to get rediculous. Remember that the WK axles are setup to point the pinion up at the bottom of the tranny. I ran it aorund and I have no drive shaft binding. Clocking the C-hubs on the axle would be nice but I don't want to grind off the tabs on the axle housings to do that.

I do not have a WK yet and did not know about the caster. Oh well it was a shot anyway.

Maybe someone in the aftermarket will offer up some new Cs to make the caster problem better when clocking the axle?

[NickRummy]

It would be relatively easy to do. I'm wanting to get a set of C-hubs to try and dremel out the slots to clock them how I want. It's ok for now but would be nice to have that option.

[dezfan]

The axles are fine. We have been trying to get clocked TLT axles for ages.

When you have away from the stock chassis, I think you will be pleased w/ the OEM setup!"thumbsup"

[NickRummy]

I agree Dez. The stock chassis has the outputs REALLY low. I plan on raising the truck about an inch when I get the new shocks which will make the drivelines about perfect. In a custom chassis I'm sure the OEM pinion angle would be nice.

[sloppy]

nice need to get some camo on that burb body to match those links

[NickRummy]

I have a set of savage shocks and swamp dawgs coming in next week hopefully. That will help get that belly up a bit and get me some tires that are actually worth something. Tow motor tires flex better than these things.

I'm also cutting up the arrow shafts to make the upper links today. I'll give you those pushrods back. I was going to go buy the inserts after work but we got 2-3 inches so we'll see how the roads afterwards.

[NickRummy]

Cut down some aluminum to make some temporary extended body posts. As soon as the shocks get in I'll readjust the body so it doesn't have that goofy body lift look to it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-07-07/DSCF9775sm.jpg

Then took it out for a little bashing around. It was to cold to stay out for more than 10 minutes.

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Here is a short video.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-07-07/th_WKsnowrun.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-07-07/?action=view&current=WKsnowrun.flv)

Looks like I'll have to epoxy or glue those inserts into the arrows. They were a REALLY right fit but I still managed to pull one out. I just popped it back in and didn't have any more problems. I'll glue them in to play it safe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-07-07/DSCF9798sm.jpg

[Slow_Joe]

nick,
how long did you make the lower links?

[NickRummy]

Here is what I made mine to.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Cad%20Files%20and%20Renderings/LinkDrawingsm.jpg

[Slow_Joe]

sweet. thanks "thumbsup"

[sloppy]

all right i need to get the pede back out and we can beat the snot out of these things you better get some ballons so we can try to drown them.
did you get those tires mounted?

[cammok5]

is that the top speed stock.

[JIA's Dad]

Nick, Glad to see the XX75 cutoffs going to good use. Since you are using the inserts which have 8-32 threads you could use 8-32 all-thread and go all the way thru the cutoffs with out the inserts and never have to worry about the inserts pulling out or the arrow bending factor. The right ball ends fit inside or flush up with some arrows.

[NickRummy]

is that the top speed stock.

It's a little faster than stock since I'm running a 2S lipo.

Sloppy - Bring on the balloons, I'm game for some swimming!

JIA's Dad - Sloppy and I were talking about using the 8-32 all thread through the whole rod. The inserts I have aren't a thru-thread design. I'm sure I could just hack off the last 1/8" of them so that they would be though. I might give it a shock.

I did some work over the weeked. I added some savage shocks. I ended up using the stock WK springs, lower rod ends and spring perches because the stock savage shocks were WAY to stiff. They are a bit long too. Ride height is awesome but the droop is just insane. I'll end up making some limiting straps or something.

Here it is mocked up with the new shocks and the swamp dawgs.

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and this would be an example of to much flex :D

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It runs great though. I need to lock the front diff if I want to crawl on the rocks. With all that flex it likes to try and roll over on the rocks too. I'll get that fixed soon though!

[Nitro]

On your links, try running a piece of 8-32 all thread thru 1/4 steel brake line, this is what I run on my comp rig and I have not had any trouble.
Plus it puts some weight down really low, it helped the cog on my rig.
(Just my 2 cents)

[NickRummy]

I've seen the 1/4" rod idea but I wanted to use the revo rod ends and I like the look of the arrow links diameter. They are about .300 diameter and match up to the revo ends nicely.

I actually found some raw aluminum that is the same exact dimension as the arrow shafts so all I'll do is buy the arrow inserts and this tubing and be set.

[pbfrk4life]

Very nice rig, like what you did with the savage shocks. The tires look great.

[NickRummy]

Broke my first part last night. Just the servo saver which I had plenty of extras from for my MT. It's supposed to be 70 here today so I'm hoping to take it on a little trail ride after work.

[pbfrk4life]

Let me know how those savage shocks work. I like what you did with the shorter springs.

[Creep]

Nice, man - I can't wait to get mine out and about for some testing. I think that much flex is perfect... but yeah, probably not stable. It's looking good though. "thumbsup"

[NickRummy]

I put a good beating on it last night. It was finally 70 and sunny here so I headed out to the trial with my girlfriend, her aunt's dog fonzy and the wheely king!

I'll tell you what I think of the setup after the pics

Fonzy in attack mode

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Bustin some donuts!

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Found a little mud. I didn't get to crazy thought because I haven't water proofed anything.

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I took some video but I didn' think it was worthwhile to post.

I was still running stock tires as you can see. They really suck. I can't repeat that enough. I did some rock climbing. It definitely has to much flex. The body roll is horrible. (you can see that in the pics) My lower shock mounts weren't sturdy enough so I'll have to move those. I'm thinking about just making some new shock mounts for the savage shocks that are higher than the stock ones then mounting the shocks to the top of the axle.

It did suprisingly well climbing too. The front end started lifting on seriously steep climbs. If I had limiters or less travel this would have helped.

I'm also thinking about swapping out the stock 27t to a 35t lathe. I don't really want to but I think I might have to scarifce some top end for some more bottom end. The ESC really heated up when I was crawling. That motor stalls pretty easily on the rocks and took a lot of throttle input to get the truck to get up over the larger obsticles.

Does anyone know what color savage springs are the softest?

[pbfrk4life]

Very nice. The way you have those shocks setup would be nice on the rocks, but are to long for normal driving with the spring setup you have. They definatly need tome sort of limiting strap.

I dont think its your suspension making your rig so wiggly on the rocks, it the fact that the wk's stock setup is so top heavy. If you had a lower cog then the shock setup would be bad i dont think. Your rig is basically a droop setup with external springs.

The rig is looking sweet. What happend to those Boggers you had on?

[NickRummy]

exactly, It's basically a droop setup. So when the springs aren't compressed the only thing I have slowing the suspension movement is the oil which is like 30wt (stock savage oil) which is nothing.... I know it has a higher center of gravity but its still not horrible. The motor is higher but I have no wait in the battery. I'm going to move that up front I think. Maybe put it ontop of the servo holder.

I'm working on the shock setup tonight. I htink i'm just going to make a taller shock tower and try to find some soft savage springs.

As for the boggers, they were just mock ups in the last photos. They weren't glued and were on stock wheels. I just narrowed a set of wheels today on my lunch break. They are drying now. I'll have the boggers mounted up tonight.

[theshimonator]

this builds just waaaaay too cool!

[pbfrk4life]

Before you do any more fabbing try running a higher weight oil in your shocks. This should reduce how easily the suspension unloads. Just run a nice heavy oil. That should fix your suspension problems. On the rocks droop is one of the best things you can have. You can also try limiting straps.

I dont recommend using the savage shocks any other way. With higher mounts they will perform no differently than the stockers. If anything they will make your rig way to tall making the cog worse.

[NickRummy]

Well I have to change the axle mounting points of the shocks. They will be on top of the axle now which is about 1/2" higher than before. So if I make the shock tower 1/2" higher there would be no change in performance.

At ride height the shock is probably %50 compressed. That is why I have so much droop. One side can still compress %50 more while the other side can droop another %50. If I raise the shock tower say 1" then just run a normal savage spring (soft) I'll have the same ride height, about 1/2" less drop and have 1/2" more upper shock travel. I really think this is the way to go. I won't be changing the travel, just changing where the range of travel is in relation to the frame.

[pbfrk4life]

How will you still be getting 1/2in droop with normal savage springs? At full legnth you should get no droop.

[NickRummy]

I was thinking since I'm adding 1/2" to the shock tower height that will stretch the shock out another 1/2" taking away 1/2" of droop but it all depends on how stiff these savage soft springs are.

Right now i'm running around 3/4" worth of spacers with the stock WK springs to get my ride height. I'm hoping that by stretching the shock tower up an inch, plus taking away those spacers that the soft savage spring will give me around the same ride height. We'll see I guess. I'm hoping to pick the springs up tomorrow.

I'm hoping that the soft savage springs will still be soft enough to give me a little droop.

[pbfrk4life]

Change over to a higher weight oil and run the softest springs you can. With a higher weight oil you will still get the droop and your suspension will be smoother and less springy. You can move the shocks up some and take out the spacers, that should work fine. Worst case is that you get no droop. Then you can just cut about 1/2in off the new springs.

You should try cutting about 1/2in off the stock savage springs, then relocate the shocks. This could work well.

[NickRummy]

yeh I think we are on the same page. I don't want to run to heavy of oil and I'd like to run no more than about 30-40 percent droop.

Remember, this is a trail truck and I still want the suspension to absorb jumps. If I run to heavy of oil it's going to hit the ground and bounce. If I run to much sag it'll bottom out the shock.

The biggest thing I want is to not run spring spacers and I want the spring to be touching the spring perch and the top of the shock when the spring is full extended.

If I cut a spring down can you stil pull the spring to stretch it out a bit so it still has the same length?
Another idea is simply to use two springs...... Maybe the nice soft WK spring on bottom then a firmer spring on top. I've seen spring couplers somewhere that allow a spring to be "stacked"

[pbfrk4life]

Yes you can still stretch it. I fugure just use the stock spings you didnt plan on using as a guine pig. You can gun off roughly 1/2in and if you dont like it they can be stretched back. After they are stretched they will be softer than they were before.

I keep forgetting this is a trail rig...my mind is always on the rocks. :mrgreen:

If your running a 30 weight oil now try running about a 50 weight. That should keep the truck from botteming out after jumps and it should still absorb bumps well.

Dont touse 2 spings, they should make dual rate spings for the savage wich will perform much better and do the same thing.

EDIT- Check out theses springs- http://www.fullforcerc.com/springs.htm

[NickRummy]

Those look to be perfect. $6 shipping on a set of springs? ripoff......

I'll play around with some parts I have and see what I come up with. I ran 50wt in my WK shocks and thought they worked well. I think a lot has to do with how hard these tires are.

[pbfrk4life]

In trail running the tires arent going to have much to do with your suspension. Firm or not the tire doesnt absorb much of the bump.

Do they stock rims have vent holes drilled in them? If not drill vent holes. This will let the tire compress more.

Let me know what you decided to do with the suspension. You have me interested now, lol.

[FrankyRizzo]

That looks pretty cool with the burban body.

[NickRummy]

Trust me. These tires have a lot to do with the landings. They are SOLID. There are holes in the rims. If you hit something with some force you can hear the air push out. These things have no sidewall flex. My nitro trucks tires have way more flex. They don't have any foams in them either I don't think. I think some softer tires with foams will help with dampening a bit. Not near as much as suspension but you know what I mean.

I'll definitely keep the post updated. We are having a get together in a few weeks. Gotta have the truck running right by then!

[NickRummy]

That looks pretty cool with the burban body.

I was originally going to run a rubi or a bronco body but Sloppy had this one laying around and gave it to me. I think it looks pretty cool too so I might leave it.

[pbfrk4life]

I actuially like that body, especially with the boggers.

[NickRummy]

The truck might be on hold for a LITTLE longer because I'm going to wait until my axial 2.2 beadlocks come in from RCP :D

[NickRummy]

Ok, spent my hour lunch fabbing some new shock mounts. They aren't the prettiest thing that is for sure but they should work! This puts the upper shock mount almost right over the axle and a bit hgher than stock. This should work great with the savage shocks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-15-07/DSC_0041sm.jpg

Rear mounts

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-15-07/DSC_0040sm.jpg

Front mounts

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-15-07/DSC_0039sm.jpg

I have to shave down some of the chassis sideplates because they have that round bar. After I trim them down they'll mount nice and flush.

[pbfrk4life]

Very nice work, the mounts look real clean. They should work great.

Did you do those on a mill?

[swhenrik]

The softest Savage springs I've found are the stock orange (red?) from the original Savage 21. http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=31_93_192&products_id=657 The Integy Progressive Blue is close, but still stiffer.

Cutting springs makes them stiffer, always. If you cut a spring, and stretch it longer, it's still stiffer. Would be better off just trying a stiffer spring if that's what you are after. It's almost impossible to stretch springs consistently.

When you cut springs, you need to bend the last couple coils so it sits flat again. Trying to do home-made dual rates will be picky about straight ends, otherwise they'll drag a lot on the shock body, or worse, catch on the end of the body.

If you want a longer spring on the stock shocks, why not just run the spacers? Does it cause the truck to sit too high, and you are hoping the truck will settle in a little further with Savage springs? Just curious? I have Savage stuff, if you need me to, I can try it on my WK... but mine's still stock W.B.

Droop OFF the springs may not be too bad either.... tie or glue the bottom of the spring to the retainer, and glue or shim the retainer to the shock rod end, to keep the spring from slipping out of place, and let it overextend at the top when you want it to? Just an idea...

You mention Savage springs, and Savage shocks, seperate in different posts.... Are you planning on running Savage shocks or was it a typo? The only thing the Savage shocks might help with is if you wanted MORE travel... and doesn't sound like that is what you are after.... again, just guessing at what you want to do.

Savage shock oil.... I highly recommend NOT using it. It's not synthetic, so it changes viscosity a LOT with temp. If it's below freezing outside they will just about not move at all. On a hot summer day after some thrashing the oil will be like water.

Stock tires in fact have no foam like you guessed, but they are well vented. I think one problem with the tires is that they don't flex at all, then suddenly they collapse. Foam doesn't act like that.

Truck is looking good... I like the sub body!

[NickRummy]

I cut them out using a band saw then cleaned em up with a big rotating sander.

swhenrik, Thanks for the info. Lots of help! Let me elaborate.

I am currently using savage shocks with WK springs and a lot of spacers. The truck performed very well with the setup. The spring compressed about %25 at ride height. My problem was the droop. It needed to be limited a bit and I lost a few spring perches since sometimes they would lift with the spring.

My other problem was where I had the lower shock mounted on the axle. It wasn't strong enough so I'm moving it back on top of the axle. this makes it difficult to use the savage shocks because the bottom mounting point and top mounting point are so close together.

I wanted to run savage springs because that would get rid of my problem of loosing spring perches and would look a lot better too. I'll take your diea into consideration about glueing the perches.

With my new mounts the savage shocks will work great. I might still have a little to much droop but I can correct that with limiting straps.

My biggest problem will be getting the right spring setup and the right ride height. I do have some 50wt oil at home I planned on rebuilding the savage shocks with.

I hope this cleared some of the confusion up! I feel I'm on the right path. If not. Oh well! that's half the fun!

[NickRummy]

Let me add this. This is why I want to cut back on the droop. This flex makes for a very unstable truck on the rocks. Check out how much space there is between the top of the spring and the spring spacers. The new setup will basically have the same exact amount of suspension travel. The shocks will just be mounted in different locations.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-09-07/DSCF9806sm.jpg

[swhenrik]

OK, gotcha... and I see the WK springs are seriously short on the Savage shocks! The Savage springs should fix you up. The orange will just start to unload at full extension, but nothing like what's happening now. And they should also settle in quite a ways.

I intend mine to be a trail truck also (whenever I finally convert it). I planned on moving the shocks out on the axle further to add stability and reduce torque lean, without adding stiffer springs. Maybe that would be helpful for you also?

[NickRummy]

That actually does help. I had them mounted to the screws that attach the C-hub to the axle. It was perfect there but there wasn't enough material to screw it into the axle.

I'm going to give this a shot and see what happens. I'll have to wait a while to get those springs in though. I can't find anyone local that has them. Are there different red springs or are they all the same?

[NickRummy]

Alright guys. I'm not happy with the results but I think it's a step in the right direction. I stopped by the LHS and they had a set of orange springs. They look more like orange to me? I'm still thinking about ordering the red ones from tower since they are labeled soft.

Anyways. The mounts and everything worked out great but the springs are to stiff for a good ride height. There is basically no sag so this thing is jacked WAY up in the air. Here is where i'm at with the ride height.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-15-07/DSCF9910sm.jpg

This is where I want to be. About an inch lower.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-15-07/DSCF9911sm.jpg

Articualtion wise is still works perfectly which kind of puzzles me a bit. I'll still habe to make up some limiting straps.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-15-07/trucksetup.jpg

So what are you guys thinking? I'm leaning towards making a set of springs like I stated before. running WK springs on the bottom and a soft touring car spring ontop of the WK spring.

[sloppy]

why cant you lay those shocks down more move the mount more to center or truck that would help with lowering it wouldnt it and give it a softer ride since the shocks would compress easier

[trost]

why can I see through the body on that last pic?

[NickRummy]

Stay away from the drugs man! haha....... Photochop.

why can I see through the body on that last pic?


Sloppy, I did think about that but I have no place to mount the shocks on the axles if I lay them down more. The stock shock mount runs left to right on the axle which won't allow front to back rotation on the shock and the lower link mount doesn't have room for the shock to mount there.

[sloppy]

oooohhhh
i think you just need to make a chassis use maxx shocks and get it over with you got the shocks on the maxx pick up the r-2 you know you want to :twisted: that chassis you had on the clod was sweet why not do another
what is the weather supposed to be like this weekend still cold?

[NickRummy]

It has run through my mind a few times to just fab up a chassis but if I do anything with the WK axles I want to make a tuber and I don't have the room or time yet for that!

oh yeh, its gonna be crappy again this weekend. Supposed to getting back up to 60 around thursday next week.

[NickRummy]

Ok here is my new plan. I ordered another axle housing with link mounts

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXPZV8&P=7

I'm just going to take the bottom link mount half from the new housing and replace the top link mount half i'm using now with the donor. Then I'll be able to mount my shock to that and inboard the top of the shocks and should be set! I also picked up softer shock springs.

Now I have to wait until my parts get here. Hopefully Wednesday I'll have this thing trail ready.

[Big Mike]

Nick, the WK is coming along nicely.
I never thought about using arrow inserts, what a great idea. I thought you just used the shafts. If they do have bottoms, just drill or saw it off and thru-bolt the whole thing.
The see-through body shot freaked me out for a second...

[pbfrk4life]

That thing isnt gonna sit how you want unless you change shocks or lay them down some...or make taller mounts.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/pbfrk4life/mount.jpg

Modify your mounts and lay them down kinda like what i drew. Do that and do what you wanted to do with the link mounts. And it should sit good, and with the shocks at a slight angle they will still absorb jumps good.

[NickRummy]

Your idea is what I plan on doing but I'm not sure that spot you think they should be relocated to will work. I think they might have to be moved a little more. These shocks are LONG, Either way, we'll see in a few days!

[pbfrk4life]

Yeah i agree they should be moved in more. I just drew a location that i thought would work with ur mounts you made.

[Harley0706]

looks like it is still coming around nick. I can't wait to get one of these rigs, now that they released the 4x4 even another reason for me to snatch one.

You been using the stock electronics?

Josh

[HauntFreaks.com]

Nick... what if you turned the link mount 90° and use the upper holes to mount the shocks?... my 2¢
http://hauntnet.com/rc/wk_fr_setup_02.jpg
http://hauntnet.com/rc/wk_fr_setup_01.jpg

[Slow_Joe]

Nick... what if you turned the link mount 90° and use the upper holes to mount the shocks?... my 2¢


great idea Haunt! i just started streatching my wk and was looking for a way to mount the shocks and lower links.
thanks "thumbsup"

[JIA's Dad]

Nick , you could take the shocks apart. Take the ball end off, take the piston out, cut a piece of fuel tubing about 1' long, slide it on the piston rod. Put the rod back in the shock, reattach the ball end, fill with oil again, capoff top of shock , replace spring. Now you have limited the droop and travel of that long shock. Should help I think.:roll:

[NickRummy]

All good points guys! Haunt, I was actually looking to do that but had my mind set on mounting the shock inside the link mount. Never thought about mounting it outside. DUH!

JIA's dad, I've done that on some other vehicles and di think about doing that with this one but you cut back on the travel the truck has. That fuel tubing will only let it expand so far.

I'll have my parts tomorrow and I'll start tinkering. I might try haunts idea tonight though!

oh and my axial beadlocks came in!

[HauntFreaks.com]

Nick,... I've since rethought this setup and went with this.... seems to work even better... the white piece is a nylon spacer from lowes
http://hauntnet.com/rc/wk_fr_setup_03.jpg

[NickRummy]

Looks good haunt!

when you rotated the link mounts did you shave any of the tabs or anything else? Or did you just rotate them and tighten them down? I rotated them and tightened em down and they seemed ok. Wasn't sure what kind of luck you have had with them.

[pbfrk4life]

Good idea haunt.

Hows your rig comming nick?

[HauntFreaks.com]

no I didnt shave the tabs down , but I did push the mount over so it was right against the hub carrier for better support....

[swhenrik]

I was going to suggest the same things as Haunts did..... that's how I have mine mounted. Nothing to do except rotate the mounts, and snug up the screws. They stay in place pretty well. I am leaving mine like Haunts first version to keep the shock mount as close to the wheel as possible for more stability/less body lean.

The only problem, the mounts are a bit loose on the axle (up and down direction) and can tilt/lean outward a little bit from the shock being mounted out there. I added some thin plastic spacers between the mounts and the top and bottom of the axle housing to reduce the tilting. Works great so far.

I put a bunch of time into mine this weekend, but didn't get pics yet.... I should have them up tomorrow.

Savage "red" springs DO look orange, it's not just you. LOL.

[NickRummy]

I have no progress at all from this weekend. I ordered stuff from tower so that is what is holding me back. I might try and flip the link mounts tonight and set that up.

I've been drawing a scale rock racer tuber that uses maxx axles. I have the compete axles designed, the basic chassis designed and just got finished drawing up a maxx tranny. I'm laying it all out in CAD first before I start spending lots of money :D

[swhenrik]

I just read through the whole thread again..... and I can't help but think you'd be better off putting the stock shocks and springs back on. The Savage shocks seem to give you too much height, too much articulation, etc. I am actually thinking about limiting the travel on my stock shocks! You are making custom mounts already, so you can change the upper mounts to anywhere you want. So, mount the stock shocks where you want them. If you mount the lowers like Haunt and I have them, you may need to move the upper mount down.

If you angle the shocks at all, you'll gain travel and the springs will settle in more. Another reason the stock shocks might be better?

But... these are just suggestions... sounds like you are making progress.

[NickRummy]

now that i'm changing up my links and top link mounts going back to WK shocks might be ok. Looks like I have my work cut out for my tonight! I'll try a few different setups.

[Kranberry]

are you still using the stock 27t?if not do you have any plans on going higher?

[NickRummy]

I'm currently running all stock electronics. I was thinking about going to a 35t lathe motor to help with the crawling but I really want to keep some top end for trail beating. The swamp dawgs are a little smaller than the stock tires so I'm going to see if that helps out my bottom end any.

are you still using the stock 27t?if not do you have any plans on going higher?

I also found out why I didn't want to rotate my link mounts last night while I started tinkering. I already have my bottom links made and don't want to make another set! I'd have to make a shorter set if I rotate the link mounts. If I can't get it to work then I'l do it but for now I'm waiting on my parts to arrive and I'm making some new upper shock mounts. I made an extra set when I made the last ones so I'm modifying those.

I did take a few pics last night though because I did get some new parts in. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-19-07/DSCF9977sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-19-07/DSCF9974sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-19-07/DSCF9973sm.jpg

[HauntFreaks.com]

oops... forgot to mention that about the bottom links.... but come on, no access to a lathe?...lol Nick the rockster look awesome!!

[NickRummy]

Well actually I do have access to a lathe at my dad work but they are swamped. I made my links out of arrow shafts and didn't glue the bottom inserts so I could TECHNICALLY pull them out, recut the shafts and then reinsert them and be set. I might look into it if the ideas I'm waiting to try don't work out.

[NickRummy]

I had the extra set of shock mounts sitting on my desk at work and thought why not. Mulitple shock mounting points. We'll see which one works best!

I really want to keep the shocks straight up and down. I think it looks better than. I know it doesn't have as much travel that way but this isn't a comp crawler.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-19-07/DSCF9984.jpg

[swhenrik]

I had the extra set of shock mounts sitting on my desk at work and thought why not. Mulitple shock mounting points. We'll see which one works best!

I really want to keep the shocks straight up and down. I think it looks better than. I know it doesn't have as much travel that way but this isn't a comp crawler.



You know.... those would cool REALLY good bolted to a custom aluminum chassis "thumbsup"

[NickRummy]

I've really been contemplating building up a new chassis for this truck. I can't bring myself to really tear this one down though. No idea why... THe last crawler I made I used 1/4" clear acrylic. That stuff was awesome, light, stiff, slid well on rocks and was easy to machine and heat bend.

[EeePee]

Bringing this thing to Nelson's Ledges?

To get it's *** kicked... :twisted:

[NickRummy]

Bringing this thing to Nelson's Ledges?

To get it's *** kicked... :twisted:


It'll be there. What it won't crawl, it'll jump over!

[EeePee]

it'll jump over!
Cool, cause I got one of those too!

(Not a WK)

[Big Mike]

the white piece is a nylon spacer from lowes
That is how I set up my TLT - by taking up the space inside the bracket it becomes structurally sound enough to bear the weight.
I really want to keep the shocks straight up and down.
If you lay them over some, angled into the center of the chassis, it will cut down on the amount of leverage required to make them move and smooth things out some.

[NickRummy]

If you lay them over some, angled into the center of the chassis, it will cut down on the amount of leverage required to make them move and smooth things out some.

yeh I know, but cosmetically shocks running straight up and down look better in my opinion. I rather go through the work to get it working right with vertical shocks.

[pbfrk4life]

I like the new mounts nick.

[Natedog]

...make a chassis use maxx shocks and get it over with you got the shocks on the maxx pick up the r-2 you know you want to...

Looks nice with the burban body and the Imex Swampers! Like your upper shock mounts too. Ditch the long Savage shocks and use the stock WKs...play with it for awhile and then when you're ready make a chassis using the WK tranny laid down with a 35t lathe motor so you still have decent wheelspeed for your basher style driving. :)

Axials look great too! :)

[SimpleGreen]

Great looking ride, Nick. This is actually very similar to what I want to build. This thread alone I believe has settled me on a WK ;-)

[NickRummy]

I FINALLY got my parts in today and realized I needed to order another WK axle housing to get another set of link mounts. That sucks! Oh well... Off to the for sale section to try and get a set.

I also stole all the parts I wanted from the rear axle at home and mocked up the front. I might be using the WK shocks after all. they are mounted at about the same heigh as stock but right above the axles. Definitely cut back on flex from the savage shocks but seems like it will be VERY stable.

[pbfrk4life]

If you dont use those savage shocks i might me interested, lol.

[NickRummy]

They'll be used in another build i'm sure :D I have 3 sets of springs for them now.....

PS now that I have the shock mounts where i need them I don't really need the other axle link mounts. so I should be able to get it together!

If you dont use those savage shocks i might me interested, lol.

[theTman]

what wheelbase does your crawler have? and what are the length of the links eye to eye?

[HauntFreaks.com]

Nick posted this pic on the first page of this tread.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Cad%20Files%20and%20Renderings/LinkDrawingsm.jpg

[NickRummy]

Thanks haunt. Those are the links I'm running right now but I'm thinking about shortening the upper links by about 1/4" to help out with where the shock mounts to the axle.

[ColquittCustom405]

Awesome rig bro.

[NickRummy]

Snagged some action of it over the weekend. My final suspension setup was running WK shocks on my upper shock mounts. I'm going to shorten the upper links by around 1/4" to help bring the top of the axle in towards the truck. This caused a little binding of my lower shocks. I had a plan to fix this by using ALL lower link mounts mounted together but you can only buy them if you buy a whole axle housing and I didn't want to spend $25 to put another set of link mounts together.

This thing really is fun to drive. I didn't find myself getting bored at all! It's decent in everything I threw at it. Not GREAT but definitely held its own in the mud, water, hill climbing, rocks and even did well with some air under the tires!

Here is a vid, it's a little short but it was all footage from yesterday. Thanks to Kendra (my girlfriend) for being the videographer!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-25-07%20Harris/th_WKbashing.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-25-07%20Harris/?action=view&current=WKbashing.flv)

And some pics from the day. A little swimming action

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-25-07%20Harris/DSCF9994sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-25-07%20Harris/DSCF0004sm.jpg

Posing!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-25-07%20Harris/DSCF0009sm.jpg

Some of the carnage. I forgot to use locknuts on those upper shock mounts.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-25-07%20Harris/DSCF0020sm.jpg

Never found the nut.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-25-07%20Harris/DSCF0023sm.jpg

[sloppy]

that thing looks great i cant believe how good that stock motor is doing
your making me want one

[Harley0706]

That burban body is really growing on me!

You going to keep it a trail truck or convert to more of a crawler?

Josh

[NickRummy]

This things to fun. I'll definitely keep it pretty close to this. I'll be building an all out crawler soon. Waiting for some metal I ordered to come in :D

[pbfrk4life]

It just keeps lookn better and better.

[SnailMail]

How capable of a trail truck is the stock wheelie king? (geared properly)

[pbfrk4life]

I think a 4x4 wk is one of the most capible stock trail rigs. Everything sits up high to keep it our of water when you go boggin, and the stock suspension is awesome with some mods. The stock tires are also awesome on everything but rocks. Overall its a great truck. The only recommendation is find a way to mount the battery near the front of the truck.

[NickRummy]

good points. The thing I dislike about the stock truck is how short the wheelbase is. It makes it easy for the truck to fall over on climbs and side slopes. For the price it's a great starter truck with a lot of options to change it around to what you want.

I think a 4x4 wk is one of the most capible stock trail rigs. Everything sits up high to keep it our of water when you go boggin, and the stock suspension is awesome with some mods. The stock tires are also awesome on everything but rocks. Overall its a great truck. The only recommendation is find a way to mount the battery near the front of the truck.

[Jeneum]

Looks good, do you have any problems using the four link with side to side play? I had a lot of play and decided to convert back to a 3 link.

[NickRummy]

I have no side to side play what so ever. You have to make sure that the top and bottom links are triangulated and triangulated the opposite way of each other. This is what keeps the axle centered.

[Jeneum]

Thanks,

I guess I should have paid more attention in math class.

[ksully]

nickrummy is the Wk you have the 4x4 one? that thing looks awsome and can take some serious abuse. i am hopin to be getting one in the near future. looks like a great starter truck.

[NickRummy]

nickrummy is the Wk you have the 4x4 one? that thing looks awsome and can take some serious abuse. i am hopin to be getting one in the near future. looks like a great starter truck.

It was the 2WD version but I had the diff from my Nitro MT (same diff the WK uses) laying around and at the time the axles were in stock at tower so I bought them so I converted it to 4WD.

[scorpion_king]

Does anyone know what color savage springs are the softest?[/quote]

ORANGE

[dittohead]

If you can preload the right rear shock with either a spring spacer, sitffer spring and/or heavier oil, it will kill alot of the torque twist you are getting. I really like the look of your truck, and this thread forced me to go out and order a 4x4 WK! They look like too much fun, and besides, you cant go slow all the time. I will finally have something to keep up with my son's stampede.

[NickRummy]

You'll have to help the wheely king out if you want to keep up with a stampede.

As for your suspension recommendations that is exactly what I did. I ran a decent spacer on the right rear (around 1/4") and ran a smaller one up front (around 1/8") and it defeinitely helped out a lot.

[dittohead]

Good to hear you killed off some of the twist. I thought the WK was almost as fast as my son's pede (it has a worn out stock motor) I tried out my buddy's Wk and thought it was pretty quick for what it is. However, he pulled the sway bar off the back and it is nearly undriveable at speed. Still fun to horse around with though.

[07cagWK]

lol nickrummy your really making me want a WK bbaaaddddd

sorry but im sorta a noob, how do u balloon the electronics, and does the motor have to be ballooned????

[NickRummy]

lol nickrummy your really making me want a WK bbaaaddddd

sorry but im sorta a noob, how do u balloon the electronics, and does the motor have to be ballooned????

Check out this thread.

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26785

I haven't had a chance to run the WK much lately. It got cold and now it's been storming. I did pick up a few goodies for it in the last couple days. I now have a Bluebird 630mg servo for it and also picked up a 35t lathe hoping that will give me a bit more umph for crawling without really sacrifcing top speed much. I'll mess with gearing if it slows it down to much.

[GUERO4X4]

Nick: Were you still using the stock shock mounts when you first stretched it?? i am getting a WK for my b-day and i want to stretch it like yours. i want to know if all i have to do is change the upper and lower links?? and how much did it cost to stretch it?

[NickRummy]

I doubt you'll be able to use the stock mounting locations because the shock ends start binding because they are at extreme angles.

As for cost to stretch the wheelbase. It all depends on how you make your links. I'd say I had about $40 total in stretching my truck. upper link mounts, rod ends, maxx drive shafts, and material for links.

[GUERO4X4]

i have maxx shafts...

and i dont think i can make my own links...so i was thinking of putting revo links for lower links and maxx links for upper links... or would it be the other way around???

[NickRummy]

my upper links around around 5" eye to eye. I don't remember what length the lowers were but they were longer. I think I did post an image in this thread somewhere showing the sizes though.

[GUERO4X4]

i was thinking of using the 105mm maxx turnbuckles for upper and the 118mm maxx for lower since the 118mm are about 5 1/2 inches

105mm
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXSP06&P=SM

118mm
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDDY3&P=SM

or mabye these for upper links

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXSP04&P=SM

and yea you posted it on page 1 thats what i have been going by...

sorry if im asking a bunch of newb questions...

[cammok5]

if u werent asking anyof them i know i would have and i know there are probly a few others woundering the same stuff.

[NickRummy]

These are what I used on the upper links my first time mocking the truck up.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHFW0&P=ML

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-04-07/DSCF9765sm.jpg

I think the links you are planning to try would give you a much shorter wheelbase than 12.5"

[GUERO4X4]

I think the links you are planning to try would give you a much shorter wheelbase than 12.5"

Will it give me at least alittle longer than the length of a stampede... i want it atleast that long because the wheely king stock is too short.....


im not good at the 4 link stuff i only have a t-maxx and a rc18t... so im more experianced in nitro but i wanted to give the wheely king a try.

my truck does not have to be super long i just want a mudder/trail truck

[NickRummy]

Worst case scenario just make sure you don't mess up any of your stock parts so if you go out and buy links and start putting it together and its not what you want you can always put it back to stock ya know?

I have no idea how long the wheelbase would be with those links.

[GUERO4X4]

Worst case scenario just make sure you don't mess up any of your stock parts so if you go out and buy links and start putting it together and its not what you want you can always put it back to stock ya know?


yea i know thanks for the help... thats a real nice truck you got there"thumbsup"

[4x4dodge]

I really like the looks of those arrow shafts, Sorry if this has been asked before, but can you use those same arrow shaft as upper links with the revo rod ends?

[NickRummy]

I just used the revo links for the mock up. I ended up making arrow shaft links for the top too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-19-07/DSCF9974sm.jpg

[4x4dodge]

wow, I am definatly going to do that, Thanks!

[4x4dodge]

Is your final wheelbase 12.5 inches?

[NickRummy]

Is your final wheelbase 12.5 inches?

last time I measured it was 12.5 on the nose. I'll measure again tonight as I have changed the suspension geometry a bit since then.

[4x4dodge]

Good, I'm going to follow what you did to make a trail truck, and maby a rock crawler, so i want it to be 12.5. Thanks for all the info "thumbsup"

[pbfrk4life]

lookin good nick

[Hemi-maxx14]

very cool. what is the wheelbase on your rig? and did you make the upper link mounts? if so of what, if not where did you get em'/ sorry for the questions, im a crawling noob. but not to nitro as you may know me from byt, but i just got banned. oh well

[NickRummy]

very cool. what is the wheelbase on your rig? and did you make the upper link mounts? if so of what, if not where did you get em'/ sorry for the questions, im a crawling noob. but not to nitro as you may know me from byt, but i just got banned. oh well

Look at post #124 and #132

[Hemi-maxx14]

Look at post #124 and #132

the link is only revo pushrods, i need to link mounts

[NickRummy]

the link is only revo pushrods, i need to link mounts

Oops!!!! thought that is what I posted. Here ya go. The mounting holes in these match right up to the wheely king top link mounting holes.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGKG9&P=7

I did a little waterproofing on the truck after finding a REALLY nice place to take it mudding. Should have some pics after lunchtime :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2004-19-07/DSCF0107sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2004-19-07/DSCF0106sm.jpg

[NickRummy]

The mudhole wasn't as nasty as I thought it was. The sun dried it up pretty good. I did find some much and water though! I shot some vid but won't look at it until later tonight. I am running stock gearing with a 35t lathe and the stock NiCD in this video (didn't want to jack up my lipo) It seemed a bit over geared and under powered to me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2004-20-07/DSCF0138sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2004-20-07/DSCF0149sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2004-20-07/DSCF0142sm.jpg

Looks like the swamp dawgs can only handle so much swamp :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2004-20-07/DSCF0140sm.jpg

[cammok5]

that looks fun. i was doing that with my stock wk all week after the floods.

[ksully]

those pics look awsome nickrummy. keep up the awsome work on your wk. i hope that i will be getting one of the 4x4s in the near future.

[4x4dodge]

Great pictures, Looks like alot of fun.

[gravelcrawler]

nick we need 2 go bash them at the gorge this weekend, if its nice out

[NickRummy]

I'm game for bashing at the gorge! Speaking of running this weekend. I gotta pull my front axle apart and see why it's not locked anymore......

[sloppy]

dang i want to go but i will be in PA

[NickRummy]

dang i want to go but i will be in PA

see what ya get for going to run ONROAD!!!

[sloppy]

yeah well there is gonna be afigure 8 race on sunday that will be a good time fast cars wrecking hard :twisted: i am gonna try and get some vid
you gonna stop by tommorow and pick up that scrap metal and axles dont know if they are there for sure though

[NickRummy]

I don't know if I can make it tomorrow. You gonna be home friday? Gotta house to go look at after work tomorrow.

[sloppy]

no i will be in PA i could leave the steal on porch for ya though dont know about leaving axles out all weekend

[NickRummy]

Thats cool. Just hang onto the axles until you get back and I'll give you the money.

[sloppy]

no problem i am not even sure if they are there ups said they would be today but who knows
EDIT ups says they are there wooho i will be up late playin
what about next weekend you got plans want to go out weather depending ?

[NickRummy]

I should be game for next weekend. I plan on doing the brakes on the 1:1 saturday morning. Should be able to go out after they are done.

[sloppy]

brakes are for p@#sy's "thumbsup"

should we start a thread and see if we can get some other guys out

[NickRummy]

Not when you're towing a boat!

and yeh lets get a thread together and see if we can't get a few people to show! I'm sure I can 1-2 more guys out there this time.

[sloppy]

sounds good i know i will go and bring the wild man with the pede bring your shin guards lol
where we going the gorge?
someone scale4x4 was asking about going to the gorge

here is a link http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?p=684342#post684342

[NickRummy]

sweet, maybe gravelcrawler will show? I think my buddy harley will probably bring his tlt tuber.

[sloppy]

sweet should be fun

[MikeSSS]

I've read all 8 pages of this thread today. Read some posts many times. Wow, just wow.

Ordered a Wheely King 4x4....before the end of page 3.

See what you have caused? Thank you, this thread got me off center. Got my tail wagging too.

Besides, trying to climb the difficult stuff with the Stampede was getting frustrating.

Many thanks to NickRummy and all the others.

Happy trails, rocks and mud!

[FrankyRizzo]

I have had a 4x4 one for a while. I have never run it and I need to start it.

[NickRummy]

I've read all 8 pages of this thread today. Read some posts many times. Wow, just wow.

Ordered a Wheely King 4x4....before the end of page 3.

See what you have caused? Thank you, this thread got me off center. Got my tail wagging too.

Besides, trying to climb the difficult stuff with the Stampede was getting frustrating.

Many thanks to NickRummy and all the others.

Happy trails, rocks and mud!

:D You won't be dissapointed! I met a guy from this site about a week ago and his buddy stopped out to watch us run the trucks this weekend. He is ordering a 4x4 WK today :D It's like a virus!!!

Glad you like the truck. It's been taking some punishment. I think I finally killed the stock servo with all the muddin and the stock ESC got a little water in it even after being ballooned so it's sitting out drying now. I swapped it out for an AI runner since it's waterproof. Here are a few pics from this past weekend. Thanks to my girlfriend for shooting the pics while the guys played :D

Short little video getting dirty.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/04-29-07%20Trail%20Ride/th_Muddin.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/04-29-07%20Trail%20Ride/?action=view&current=Muddin.flv)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/04-29-07%20Trail%20Ride/DSCF0210sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/04-29-07%20Trail%20Ride/DSCF0209sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/04-29-07%20Trail%20Ride/DSCF0197sm.jpg

Center of gravity is a bit high so I seen this stance quit a bit on the steep climbs. I'm thinking of building up a new chassis to lower the COG but keep it a trail truck still.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/04-29-07%20Trail%20Ride/DSCF0195sm.jpg

[HALF~DEAD]

im gonna build these length links...thanks fer the info...nice post

[NickRummy]

im gonna build these length links...thanks fer the info...nice post

Akron huh? Do I know you?

[ScGRaceR]

nick you are the root of all evil....i just ordered my 4x4wk :)


i like what you did....any link to the lipo...i have a charger for my choppers...so it would be easy for me to just upgrade.


thanks!

[NickRummy]

haha You just aren't strong enough to fight the urge to say "no, I don't need one", I'm not evil!

Here is what I run right now but only because I had it laying around.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXMAG2&P=ML

If you get one you should buy this too. It will keep you from draining the battery to low.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXPGM8&P=7

If I had to buy a battery now I would get this. Couple bucks more and a 700mah difference.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXMUW0&P=ML

[ScGRaceR]

hehehe lol, it looks like ima need to buy a new charger...i guess ill run stock gear for now...... i dont feel like buying a new charger...i have 1839130812123089 1500mah batterys ill use for now....untill ill go um........brushless? ..... lol

[NickRummy]

half~dead geared his 66/8 with the stock 27t motor and that thing had some awesome wheel speed with a sweet amount of torque. Here are some pics from our GTG over the weekend

Some WK muddin action

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/05-05-07%20Trail%20Ride/?action=view&current=Muddin.flv

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/05-05-07%20Trail%20Ride/DSCF0252sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/05-05-07%20Trail%20Ride/DSCF0251sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/05-05-07%20Trail%20Ride/DSCF0246sm.jpg

Here is half-dead's WK he just stretched last week.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/05-05-07%20Trail%20Ride/DSCF0247sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/05-05-07%20Trail%20Ride/DSCF0255sm.jpg

[4x4dodge]

Looks like alot of fun. I just stretched my WK a couple of days ago. I used your arrow shaft method and it worked great.

[NickRummy]

Looks like alot of fun. I just stretched my WK a couple of days ago. I used your arrow shaft method and it worked great.

Awesome! glad it turned out! The blue WK above uses stock traxxas links with rotated link mounts on the axles. I guess it was real easy and the only custom thing needed was the steering link

[ScGRaceR]

nick...you have links for the arrow parts?....


looks like you guys had a good time....how you liking the beadlocks?.....and where did you get them?

[NickRummy]

All I know is that they are easton arrow shafts that I got from a local archery shop. I think they are 1816 size and use an 8-32 insert which is pretty standard. I want to say they were model xl-75 but I don't remember.....

The beadlocks are AWESOME! I bought a second set to run on my nitro truck! :D I got them from here. GREAT people to work with.

http://rcpcrawlers.com/wheels.html

[gravelcrawler]

that is an awesome picture of half~deads wk. we still on this weekend?

[ScGRaceR]

thanks nick.....and those are cheap!!!!!! nice!

[atvdude775]

ur wk is sweet!

[NickRummy]

that is an awesome picture of half~deads wk. we still on this weekend?

Oh yes we are DEFINITELY on for this weekend still! I'll give you a call to tell you where its at. We are going to meet over on front street and play on some rocks. Then go out to the truck trails by you. I have a couple guys that might show up with nitro trucks to bring out to your place.

[ScGRaceR]

http://imexrc.com/detail.aspx?ID=726

nick your running those right?

[NickRummy]

http://imexrc.com/detail.aspx?ID=726

nick your running those right?


yes sir!

[ScGRaceR]

thanks... i just ordered a set of moabs...so ima see if i like them on the trails...if not ima go with some swamp doggs....now i just cant find rims that i like...i like the rocksters...but i like the rc4wds too :)


ahh torn between two loves!

[NickRummy]

Just buy both! :D
You'll like the moabs. They should be good all around and will definitely have better traction on rocks than the swamp dawgs.

[ScGRaceR]

yeah your right,,,,, but the swamp dogs have that "look"....i also just orderd some black chrome rocksters from rcp :)....you have the black ones right?....i ordered blue rings with mine :)

[NickRummy]

yup just plain black with the stock gunmetal color rings. I ordered mine when they first became available and that is all they had. Post up some pics of those black chrome! I want to see how those look with a tire on them.

[ScGRaceR]

k


nick which jb you use to lock the diffs.... i just re jb'd my shock shafts untill my threaded alumium ones come in :)

[NickRummy]

just normal JB weld? It's not the quick stuff.

[ScGRaceR]

oh ok...the quick stuff is shiiangioasdhiouasdhf jwklsnf kalsdfjaskld f BAD!...thanks man!

[cabsover78]

nice job on your rig so far.my 4x4 WK was shipped on may 2nd. cant wait. what parts did half~dead to get the 66/8 gearing? i wonder if itll push my scaler when i tear the wk apart. anyway nice job so far espiescaly on the mud.

[NickRummy]

nice job on your rig so far.my 4x4 WK was shipped on may 2nd. cant wait. what parts did half~dead to get the 66/8 gearing? i wonder if itll push my scaler when i tear the wk apart. anyway nice job so far espiescaly on the mud.

I'm not sure. I'll have to ask him!

[IronRC]

Wow, that is so cool! I'm ordering my WK tonight! :D:D
How is that 35t motor? I'm thinking of a 35t or 45t.

[NickRummy]

Wow, that is so cool! I'm ordering my WK tonight! :D:D
How is that 35t motor? I'm thinking of a 35t or 45t.

I think the 35t is awesome with the 2S lipo. It all depends on how fast you want to go. Half~dead runs a 27t turn motor but really low gearing. Like 8/66 so it's way slower than my truck but has a lot of torque. I wouldn't mind slowing mine down just a little to help with crawling but flinging mud is fun :D

[IronRC]

I won't be goin lipo anytime soon... just 6 cell for now. What gearing are you using? And how fast does it go?

thanks

[NickRummy]

I'm still running stock gearing. It's a tad bit faster than stock with the 35t lathe and the lipo. With a 6 cell it seems to still be around the same speed as stock.

[skullking]

I'm still running stock gearing. It's a tad bit faster than stock with the 35t lathe and the lipo. With a 6 cell it seems to still be around the same speed as stock.

I just orderd a 35t for mine. I thought it would be a lot slower. But Maybe not. I am running 3000 battery for right now. Is there a noticeable difference in torque in a 35t than a 27t with stock gearing??? I am trying to figure out a good gearing ratio for mild climbing, trail climbing, etc.
thanx for any input!!"thumbsup"

[NickRummy]

The biggest difference I really noticed was that the 35t didn't stall as easy as the 27t. When I tried climbing with the 27t and came to an steep or large obstacle the 27t would stall until you gave it enough throttle input to spin the tires. Problem was, once it had enough power to climb it was to much power and wanted to jump whatever you were trying to go over. The 35t helps this a lot. Smoother lower end power and doesn't stall as easy. No huge difference in torque or speed.

[4x4dodge]

I would just like to say thanks for this thread! I used many of your ideas on my WK crawler. The arrow shaft link design worked amazing for me. I would never have thought of using arrow shafts if I hadn't seen this thread. My truck is now complete and all I need to do is post up some pictures.
Thanks

[NickRummy]

I would just like to say thanks for this thread! I used many of your ideas on my WK crawler. The arrow shaft link design worked amazing for me. I would never have thought of using arrow shafts if I hadn't seen this thread. My truck is now complete and all I need to do is post up some pictures.
Thanks

Send me a PM when you get your trucks pics posted!

[skullking]

The biggest difference I really noticed was that the 35t didn't stall as easy as the 27t. When I tried climbing with the 27t and came to an steep or large obstacle the 27t would stall until you gave it enough throttle input to spin the tires. Problem was, once it had enough power to climb it was to much power and wanted to jump whatever you were trying to go over. The 35t helps this a lot. Smoother lower end power and doesn't stall as easy. No huge difference in torque or speed.


Well that sucks, If no difference in torque. Oh Well I will use it anyway, untill I get a 55 or something. Should help out in the mud like yours. NICE BUILD YOU GOT GOING!!!"thumbsup" "thumbsup"

[NickRummy]

Well actually today is probably the last day it will be driven with the WK chassis. We have enough local guys to start running comps and I think one class will be 2.2 trail truck involving mud, hills, rocks etc... So I have to get this thing performing a bit better. I've been running it all this time with no major problems. Still running the stock servo too!

I think it will be treated to an older NN chassis. New motor mount to get that weight lower and I'm rethinking what to do with the electronics. I love the wheel speed it has but want to step up the low end torque. I'm thinking about dropping the gear ratio (since its still stock) then stepping up to a 3S Lipo and keep the 35t. Should all be happening in the next 2 weeks. I'll update :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Cad%20Files%20and%20Renderings/LinkDrawingsm.jpg

[NickRummy]

Well slapped together a proto chassis at lunchtime last friday. Like I said this is going to be a trail truck. Not an all out crawler so I want something that will slide over EVERYTHING. Mud included. Something light, basic and lots of options.

Here is what I came up with for the first attempt. 1/8" ABS plastic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Cad%20Files%20and%20Renderings/wk3d.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2007-21-07%20Chassis/DSC_0402sm.jpg

Heat bent the sides

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2007-21-07%20Chassis/DSC_0405sm.jpg

Skids bent

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2007-21-07%20Chassis/DSC_0407sm.jpg

Nice smooth belly!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2007-21-07%20Chassis/DSC_0409sm.jpg

[TBItoy]

I'd think you would have put the smooth side of the abs to the outside. That chassis looks really good though. I'm picking up my 2nd WK tomorrow and a clocked motorplate and laydown style custom chassis are the first mods on the list!

My current wk is a "trail style" like yours but I'm running a 45turn lathe and 96/15 gearing. It runs at about a slow jogging speed with Moabs but has a lot of low end torque too.

[NickRummy]

I tossed the idea back and forth about putting that rough side on the inside or outside. I actually took some ABS outside to a brick and slid it on there. The smoothest side actually seemed to hang up worse than the rigid. It seemed to be more prone to gouging. Strange huh?

It only took an hour to make this. If it doesn't slide well I'll just make another one but with the smooth side out.

[Rockmuncher]

I really like your truck and that chassis is sick too
Shane

[balang_479]

great over-haul, its gonne turn out great.

[NickRummy]

Unfortunately I have to swap out tires. I guess I don't have to but I went out driving with the guys that will be running in the comp and they are running Mashers and they SPANKED me when it came to climbing stuff. Especially on rocks and when there was water involved. The swamp dawgs just plain don't compare to the traction mashers offer. They look awesome but thats about it! So I'll be going to Mashers also.

[cammok5]

the abs isnt going to mantain its sliperynes (dont know if thats a word but owell) you should try the stuff cutting board is made out of. that will stay slick even after its all scatched up. it looks great though"thumbsup"

[NickRummy]

Those losi 2.2 tires look awesome. My only gripe with them are they are smaller than mashers which is something I'd like to have. I looked into the Axial rock lizards too as they are 5.19" OD but couldn't come up with any info or reviews. I'm thinking it'll be Mashers since they are proven worthy on rocks and have the tread and size for mud.

[cammok5]

i have the mashers too but i havent had a chance to use them as my build is still not done:-(

[NickRummy]

I ran the mashers on my 2.2 clod I built last year. I went with the swamp dawgs on this truck because they look sweet. they performed ok until my friends built up WKs like mine but used mashers. Then I seen how big of a difference there was.

[Rockmuncher]

The losi tires are still bigger than the swamp dawgs arent they?
And Benders review said that with them he conquered things he hadnt before and the also look similar to a 1:1 bogger
Shane

[NickRummy]

Well I'm ditching the swamp dawgs for sure because they suck. I was oroginally thinking of going to mashers. The reason I'm thinking mashers is because I know they are larger and I know they are good on rocks, dirt and mud. I know he tested the Losi's on rocks but what about mud? I need the best all around tire I can find since this is a trail truck.

[JavelinSST390]

I just read this whole thread, watched the videos, and gotta say, NICE TRUCK! I especially dig the arrow shafts you used for links (looks trick, and the camo definitely gives it attitude, plus they're bullet-proof, too.)

THe overhaul should be awesome.

BTW, if you don't want those swampers anymore, I'll take 'em! LOL!:lol:

[HALF~DEAD]

sweet setup on the new chassis,deff gonna half to bend up a couple so we can run close to the same set up.let me know what you want fer one ill do the drilling and all let me know

[Kranberry]

nick~i think it would of been smart to drill your holes in your chassis befor bending it;-)

[NickRummy]

nick~i think it would of been smart to drill your holes in your chassis befor bending it;-)

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. In this case no because it's easy to put the template back over the chassis and drill the holes. The lower holes will be close to the heat bend. If I would have drilled the holes first THEN bent the chassis it would have distorted the holes (because of the heat)

If the holes were far from the heat bends then it would have been ok. There is enough room inside the chassis to be able to lay it sideways and put one side plat on the bench while the other one goes under the bench so you have support for drilling.

[scrooloose]

where did you get this bracket from?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2003-04-07/DSCF9765sm.jpg

[NickRummy]

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGKG9&P=7

I also found out why my battery run times on the lipo have been shorter than normal. Looks like the motor was working harder than it was supposed to. Had a seized bearing! Stupid mud! Time for a rebuild.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2007-26-07%20Tranny/DSC_0052sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2007-26-07%20Tranny/DSC_0050sm.jpg

[Harley0706]

^^^^LMAO!!!!

JEEZ Nick, looks like that thing leaks like a B****.

Maybe you need to seal that thing up a little.

Did you find JIA's locking How-to?

[NickRummy]

I don't think I need to find that thread about locking that slipper. Mine is locked pretty well with rust :D

I cut out BTA plates and a motor mount plate today at lunch. Should have something together soon.

[cabsover78]

yaa its back from the dead!!. Liked this truck alot. And you shold run a bead of silicone the the tranny. Holy c rap.

[NickRummy]

yaa its back from the dead!!. Liked this truck alot. And you shold run a bead of silicone the the tranny. Holy c rap.


Not sure how much that silicone will help. Looked like most of the water came in from behind the spur.

[mini-man]

So how's the chassis turning out? You have any shots of it all together?

[NickRummy]

Little bit of an update finally.

Front end is mocked up. The bottom links are way to long so it throws the axle out of whack but at least you can get an idea of what it looks like. Everything is VERY roughly cut out and there are no chassis braces installed either. Just put together to look at clearance issues. I had to cut down the lips on the skids of the chassis because they were hitting the upper links. No biggie.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2007-31-07%20Chassis%20Mockup/DSC_0054sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2007-31-07%20Chassis%20Mockup/DSC_0056sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2007-31-07%20Chassis%20Mockup/DSC_0059sm.jpg

The behind the axle setup is starting to become a pain. Looks like I can get it to work though. It's just loosely bolted up. Looks like the servo is sticking up because I didn't trim down the braces on the servo housing. I plan on bending the servo mount to match the angle of the knuckles but won't do that until I make the new links.

It doesn't have any crazy amounts of travel but should be great for a trail truck. Nice and stable. For a crawler setup you would just take the aluminum shock mounts off and attach the top of the shock to the holes in the chassis that were used to mount the aluminum shock mounts.

Tranny will have to stand up in the chassis because of clearence but I have a motor plate that is almost finished that will clock the motor over to the side so that will help out.

[Harley0706]

Holy rusted bearings Batman!

Looks good Nick. What body are you going to run?

[NickRummy]

Holy rusted bearings Batman!

Looks good Nick. What body are you going to run?

Don't worry I have a set of bearings on the way :D

As for the body. Probably just the burban still. I was thinking about getting a rubicon body but I don't have anything else to order and hate buying one thing from tower.

[Krawlin]

Hey do you have a part number for those upper stack brackets? I have been looking for some of those.....

[NickRummy]

Hey do you have a part number for those upper stack brackets? I have been looking for some of those.....

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGKG9&P=7

[Krawlin]

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGKG9&P=7

Thank you very much! Man, I couldnt find those darn things anywhere :roll:! I have a set on the way now ;-)"thumbsup"

[scrooloose]

Thank you very much! Man, I couldnt find those darn things anywhere :roll:! I have a set on the way now ;-)"thumbsup"

They are showing out of stock at Tower, But here is another place for them.
http://www.discounthobbies4u.com/tek9.asp?pg=products&specific=jqkprnloo

['04 Rubicon]

I believe discount hobbies is out of stock of the tamiya suspension stays as well. I ordered some from them over two weeks ago and it said they were backordered, after I placed the order and paid of course. But then I went and bought five packages from Tammies Hobbies when they had them in stock. Not sure where to find them in stock now.

[NickRummy]

Todays update.

Motor plate finished, shaved the tranny housing, bolted up a 65t axiom motor, Gears don't mesh but thats ok I have another spur I plan on using.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-01-07%20Tranny%20mount/DSC_0051sm.jpg

Finished the tranny mount in the chassis. Cut out another piece of ABS and solvent welded in. I screwed up though.... It is supposed to be offset to the side about 1/2" so that the motor AND tranny will fit in between the chassis sides but didn't think about it while cutting out the tranny mount. So it's centered. I'll have to notch the chassis a bit but oh well. For the prototype this will be ok.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-01-07%20Tranny%20mount/DSC_0050sm.jpg

From the front.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-01-07%20Tranny%20mount/DSC_0049sm.jpg

I got all the stuff to finish up my mockup links. Hopefully it'll be a roller tonight!

[cabsover78]

nice job so far. you sure 65T can get good wheel speed. even on a lipo?

[NickRummy]

nice job so far. you sure 65T can get good wheel speed. even on a lipo?

Nope :D

I'm thinking about going back to the 35t since i'll be running a larger spur. I've thrown around the idea of running a 3S lipo too but then I have to run a different ESC.... Probably change out the spur and run the 35t.

[NickRummy]

Here are a couple teaser photos of the truck. Can't really see the new chassis but it performed very well at the comp on saturday. I'm more than pleased with how it turned out. I want to change my spring setup and the links were still the 6-32 all thread mockups. Should have it completed this week! I'll snag some under body shots tomorrow.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/NOSTR%20Comp%2008-04-07/nickburban.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/NOSTR%20Comp%2008-04-07/nickburban2.jpg

[rocresq]

How did you bend the plastic chassis, great idea for snag free layout.

[NickRummy]

The company I work for has a shop that does a lot of plastic work so they have heating tables. Basically it is a workbench with a 1/2" slot cut all the way through it, then in that slot is a heating wire that runs the length of the table. You set the panel over that heating wire and it heats up the wire in a consistent line then you bend and hold until it cools.

You CAN do the same thing with a heat gun but it takes a little longer to heat up and probably won't be a perfect straight line.

One thing I was worried about (and so were all the guys that seen the chassis) was that the bottom skid is HUGE. I didn't have any problems what so ever with it getting hung up so that is good. If it become a problem it'll be really easy to shrink down the size of the skid. this is just the proto I plan on making a few more for people locally.

[sloppy]

it looked good out there nick.
you got any pink plastic for derek?
"thumbsup"
i dont see his tock chassis lasting to much longer it is almost rubbed threw now.

[HALF~DEAD]

THATS IT WITH THE PINK JOKES...nick im first in line fer a chassis right?

[NickRummy]

THATS IT WITH THE PINK JOKES...nick im first in line fer a chassis right?

Maybe? haha

Hopefully I'll hear back today. I'm trying to get a guy to cnc 5 of them for me for free. (he's a new vendor at work and he has something to prove :D )

[andres-tavares]

nice men keep it coming!

[NickRummy]

As promised.

This is basically maximum flex for the truck. Shocks are fully compressed under its own weight. It's a really stable rig. Side hills awesome.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-07-07/DSC_0052sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-07-07/DSC_0051sm.jpg

Ride height

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-07-07/DSC_0053sm.jpg

NAKED!!!!! :eek

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-07-07/DSC_0055sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-07-07/DSC_0056sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-07-07/DSC_0058sm.jpg

Behind the axle linkage. Sorry its blurry.......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-07-07/DSC_0059sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-07-07/DSC_0061sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-07-07/DSC_0062sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-07-07/DSC_0063sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-07-07/DSC_0064sm.jpg

[Shaun]

Mount the batt. lower.

[NickRummy]

Mount the batt. lower.

I use a 2S lipo that weighs under 3oz. Truck does great mounted there and it's very easy to change out batteries. Remember, this isn't a comp crawler. It's a comp trail truck :D

[Shaun]

Oh. I didn't know it was a lipo.

[scaryclownguy]

That is a sick truck. I like the servo mount location, and I think I might try it there myself.

[cammok5]

truck looks awsome

[NickRummy]

Made all the final links last night to be ready for a GTG tonight. Mounted up some aluminum knuckles from TCS and that helped all the slop I was getting from the weak stockers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-16-07/DSC_0064sm.jpg

Beefy links!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-16-07/DSC_0062sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Wheely%20King%2008-16-07/DSC_0063sm.jpg

It'll be getting treated to a new body here soon. This ones looking a little "worn"

[GUERO4X4]

I also found out why my battery run times on the lipo have been shorter than normal. Looks like the motor was working harder than it was supposed to. Had a seized bearing! Stupid mud! Time for a rebuild.


my truck has been sluggish lately and i have had slower run times...

do you think this might be my problem too?? :?: and yes ive run my wk in the water/mud

[NickRummy]

my truck has been sluggish lately and i have had slower run times...

do you think this might be my problem too?? :?: and yes ive run my wk in the water/mud

VERY well could be. The bearings in the axles were toasted also. One of the larger bearings in the tranny was almost completely seized. After replacing all bearings and going to a 65t motor (for now until I rebuild the 35t) I ran for an hour with almost no power loss. Mud/water will tear bearings up......

[GUERO4X4]

VERY well could be. The bearings in the axles were toasted also. One of the larger bearings in the tranny was almost completely seized. After replacing all bearings and going to a 65t motor (for now until I rebuild the 35t) I ran for an hour with almost no power loss. Mud/water will tear bearings up......


Dang.... is it hard to remove the tranny?? im going to try today... because when i try to roll it, it has a high resistance do you think its the tranny or the bearings in the axles???

mabye its because i put my wk in deep water like this

http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/MAXX4X4/?action=view&current=Picture283.flv

usually the water doesent get over my tires

[NickRummy]

Best thing for you to try would probably be disconnecting your front and rear drive shafts and then try to spin each axle. See if they spin freely. If they don't then you obviously have axle issues. If they do spin ok move on to the tranny. If you remove the motor you should be able to spin the spur gear and it should spin freely (remember your drive shafts are still disconnected from your axles)

[GUERO4X4]

well i did what you said and my axles seemed fine and so did my tranny

but i still took out the tranny and everything seemed fine no corrosion or messed up bearings.. i shot some wd-40 in there and i greased it up and put it back in but it still does the same thing... i think its my axles

[cammok5]

did you take yor motor out?

[GUERO4X4]

did you take yor motor out?

yea i took it out when i tested the tranny