2.2 Rim discusion

[Kamikaze]

I just thought I would throw something out for debate. Since the new rules limit the overall height of the tire, could we concider changing the 2.2 class so that any size rim could be used. I think that the 2.2 rule was put into place to be a tire limiting factor, I'm not sure cause I wasn't around then. I think this would open up new advances in the 2.2 class, under knuckle batterys for one, or for people like me who like to run less sidewall could run bigger rims. It wouldn't realy be unfair to anyone, since there are already a few "mutant" tires popping up. It would actualy make it easier for a beginner to run a larger tire, such as a maxx masher or a badland. Just a though, I havent stirred up any trouble in hear in a while, just though I would try."thumbsup"

[Double J]

Kinda like a 40 rim and a 2.2 tire or something?

have any pics compaired to a 2.2 "traditional" set up.

[Kamikaze]

No, I havent tried it, but you hit the nail on the head, it would be like a 40 series 2.2 rim, or even a thorn. I know theres some cool metric rims that I think people would like to have the option of running. I just think under knuckle 2/3a's would be a nice thing to have, expecialy on a tlt where cog is hard to come by.

[Kamikaze]

OK I threw this together, I forgot I had some narrowed maxx sized rims. I would like to run a rim this size, I doubt I would even use huge tires. I just think that the smaller sidewall works better. Plus you don't have to have any fab skilled to do this, other than narrowing a rim. Just a thought.

[Double J]

Tires look to be about the same size. I wouldn't see a problem with it. Or at least I wouldn't say anything at a comp as I see no advantage to running an oversized rim.
Have you even tried it out on a TLT yet? I dont' think you'll get the grip you want with it set up like that.?

I'd be interested to see how it does cause I like to see different things done. slap some togeather and get a video for me.


EDIT: USRCCA rules - http://www.usrcca.com/rules2006.pdf state 2.2" wheels or smaller which would mean the rims cause the tires are like 5" or something. They don't have the 07 rules up yet.
So according to those rules it would be illegal to run the larger rims "wheels".
But as I stated earlier I don't really see and advantage other than battery placement.
Does it widen your stance to over 12.5"? that would also make it illegal.

[renoirbud]

hey Kamikaze

I think your idea is great.

But I think its place is in a 2.2 unlimited class. I would be very interested in a class where you can run 4ws on a 2.2 rig. I imagine that with your wheel idea and the resulting lower CG the Super 2.2 would be a blast to drive.

[mrmaxxman]

i tried a set of 1/8 buggy tires(pin spike) they are really soft with no foams. i did notice an improvement on off camber situations, undecided on the actual craw/grip part tho!!! just my 2 cents..i say try it out and see what happens:)

[Kamikaze]

I haven't tried it, I just happend to have that rim laying around, I didn't even put the tire on untill after I posted up the question and you asked for a pic. As far a grip goes I think it would grip better cause theres no need for foam at all. I know that my xl's realy started working better when I put them on the xtm thorns. I guess I'm just thinking that the rim size shouldn't be a factor since the max tire size is now limited. Also there is a poll at the top of this thread. And for the width these particular rims would be narrower than the hpi's on the other tire, probably by about a 1/2" or more.

[Double J]

I'd really like to hear what the mod or rule makers have to say about it.

It may help to see the rules state a 2.2 rim and the tire that is to fit on a 2.2 rim. Or just state a 2.2 designated tire with a any rim that doesn't affect the overall hight or width of the tire..

[Kamikaze]

Well I figured if there fine with a 6 inch tire or less then why not take the next logical step and alow different rim sizes. The overall height of the tire will be the biggest difference in leveling the playing feild. So I guess it will be the 12.5" class instead of 2.2 then.

[Grizzly4x4]

I wouldn't want to allow it because it takes away from the "scale" look of the class. I realize thet the comp rigs are deviating more and more from looking scale, but I think it is important to the hobby to have a class that has at least some scale dimensions to it.
I will always try to preserve two things about the 2.2 class:
1) A driver class but with enough flexibility in the vehicle specifications to allow experimentation.
2) Having a class that will help attract people who enjoy the scale aspect of the hobby.

Many people who see the competitions can relate to seeing minature versions of Jeeps, Broncos, trucks, and even buggies. This recognition draws many people to crawling. If the 2.2 class turned into a Super class with a wheelbase limit I know I would lose interest.
I think that 1:1 competition fan base would grow faster if there were more people who could recognize what people are driving. Heck, I have trouble telling who's driving what alot of the time. :lol:

With the tubers really being competitive now, the class is really starting to look like a scale comp class IMO, and I like that. 8)

[Unholy]

FrankyRizzo did some new stampede 2.8 rims with moabs on them... looked killer!

I don't see it happening anytime soon, but I think that with the introduction of those 2.8 rims, we may see a slow death of the 2.2 sized wheels and tires in the next few years.

[Fishmaxx]

I knew once we removed the requirement of using actual 2.2 tires the next question would be the wheels. As I said before when the debate started about 2.2 tires.

Its 2.2 class, so we should use 2.2 tires and wheels.

I guess we could change the name to 12.5 class :flipoff:

[Kamikaze]

Hey Fish, when you saw I started a thread in the rules section did you mumble under your breath???:mrgreen:

[dezfan]

I agree w/ Unholy, w/ Traxxas moving away from the 2.2 inch wheel, the availability and the popularity of the 2.2 inch wheel may fall from favor w/ manufactures.

If so, new dimensions for the "2.2" class will be needed.

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

I agree w/ Unholy, w/ Traxxas moving away from the 2.2 inch wheel, the availability and the popularity of the 2.2 inch wheel may fall from favor w/ manufactures.

If so, new dimensions for the "2.2" class will be needed.
Fawk traxxas!! They don't own the 2.2 market. Thier rims suck anyway.

I'm totally against it.

[TwistedCreations]

Hey Fish, when you saw I started a thread in the rules section did you mumble under your breath???:mrgreen:


No, but I did :flipoff:

• Vehicle is limited to 2.2 inch wheels/rims or smaller at the bead surface. Wheels may be modified provided
that the tire bead surface does not exceed 2.2 inched in diameter. Tires may be modified from other sized
tires using only a pliable rubber but must not exceed a total uncompressed outer diameter of 6 inches.

End of discussion :flipoff: :lol:

[Kamikaze]

Looks scale enough to me, shouldn't comps be about performance and scale be left in the scale class?? It looks like the 1:1 world is going that way, why not be ahead of the curve?
https://www.spydercustoms.com/bytes/XRRA/Carnage_horizontal_LG.JPG

[Kamikaze]

No, but I did :flipoff:

• Vehicle is limited to 2.2 inch wheels/rims or smaller at the bead surface. Wheels may be modified provided
that the tire bead surface does not exceed 2.2 inched in diameter. Tires may be modified from other sized
tires using only a pliable rubber but must not exceed a total uncompressed outer diameter of 6 inches.

End of discussion :flipoff: :lol:

I know its not legal, I was just opening up a disscusion for new ideas. Maybe not this year but in years to come. Besides I know all you rule people are board and need something else to talk about.

[dezfan]

Fawk traxxas!! They don't own the 2.2 market. Thier rims suck anyway.

I'm totally against it.

Not saying that they do.

But the most popular rigs w/ 2.2 inch wheels and a 12mm hex were made by Traxxas.

The 2.2 wheels used in 1/10 scale off road don't use hexs, and many of the TC wheels that are 2.2 and use a 12mm hex are fairly flimsy.

I'm not really worried about it, I have a set of RC4WD wheels, Erickson bead locks, and w/ Axial coming out w/ their 2.2 bead lock wheel, I'm sure the 2.2 wheels w/ be plentiful.

But I thought the same thing about TLT axles too.

Never hurts to be prepared.

[Fishmaxx]

Hey Fish, when you saw I started a thread in the rules section did you mumble under your breath???:mrgreen:

Nahhh.......

Rock the fraking boat............Its boring when I am the only one doing it "thumbsup"

[Grizzly4x4]

Looks scale enough to me, shouldn't comps be about performance and scale be left in the scale class?? It looks like the 1:1 world is going that way, why not be ahead of the curve?

I don't think that performance should be the only concern, if so then why even have a 2.2 class. Why not turn the whole thing into a robot competition for that matter with no body or tire requiremets at all? Why limit it to wheeled vehicles?

Like I said, I think that the lack of vehicle recognition hurts the 1:1 world and would hurt ours as well.
Why do Nascar and monster trucks have such a huge fan base? Vehicle recognition and brand loyalty.

I was part of the 2.2 class acceptance into Utah and Colorado, we liked the idea because the vehicles looked cooler (more scale) than the super class and for the same terrain the 2.2's were more challenging to drive. I plan to keep those principals instilled in 2.2 until I am not wanted on the rules comittee anymore. 8)

[Kamikaze]

I get what your saying. But in 1:1 rock crawling, you don't see scale looking vehicles like jeeps and broncos anymore, you see moon buggys and tubed out jeeps with just a hood and some side panels. We have a scale class for "realism". I'm not trying to be a tool, just trying to see what everyones opinion is. I'm not trying to convince the rule commity to change any rules, just seeing what opinions there are out there. From what I see there is a huge split in the 2.2 class, people like me who seek the ultimate rockcrawling base within a 12.5" wb and those who see the class as a driver skill class. IMO the scale class should be scored like the other two classes and the 2.2 should be more like the superclass with a 12.5" wb, 6" tire limit and 12.5" width with no rear steer, but thats my opinion.
I like that people are getting involved in this disscusion, its good to see what other people think about these things."thumbsup"

[Highmark]

Like I said, I think that the lack of vehicle recognition hurts the 1:1 world and would hurt ours as well.
Why do Nascar and monster trucks have such a huge fan base? Vehicle recognition and brand loyalty.



I concur...strangely.

I love the tech in the 1:1 and 1:10 scale rigs, but I can understand why an outsider or newbie would say "wtf?".

It's alot easier to compair a tube framed buggy with a F350 skin on it to your F350 than it is a moon buggy. :lol:

But yeah, the robot comment is very true aswell, and this is comming from someone who wheeled a stick with no body for almost a year.

[Nicklepimp]

Ain't happening.

[FrankyRizzo]

I am running 2.8 Jatos with Moabs on them. Overall height is the same as a 2.2 with moabs. I think they should be allowed because they work well.

Oh well I guess we will have to wait and see how this rule will evolve.

[Kamikaze]

I was thinking about all the scaleness of the 2.2's........I just havent seen a VW bug on 60" tires yet.

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

I just havent seen a VW bug on 60" tires yet.

I've seen a Civic HB crawler, 4-linked & everything. I thnk it had 40somthin's. All deaf crew. It was at a 4wheel parts tent sale. It had the best RTI score of the day.

[Reflection]

I've seen a Civic HB crawler, 4-linked & everything. I thnk it had 40somthin's. All deaf crew. It was at a 4wheel parts tent sale. It had the best RTI score of the day.

Sitting under a tent at a show-n-shine is the same as running the cones?:lol:

[run2jeepn]

I don't see it taking that scaleness out of it. The tire height is still the same. All it would look like your running DUBS. Which is becoming very popular. 17 and 20in tires are getting put on Crawlers all the time now. Heel it's hard to find a 39in tire that doesn't have atleast a rim size of 17in. I say leave the scale for the scale class. Or make it the 3.2 class. instead of the 2.2 class. I can't see it hurting anything. Infact it might bring more poeple over. Many RC'ers already have Maxx Sized stuff laying around they can't use b/c it's either to small for the supers ot to big for the 2.2's. In the 1:1 world they don't have wheel size rules. Just tire size, wheelbase, and steering. The 2.2 class could just be called the Stock Modifed class. I don't see what the fuss is about. I know this year it's out of the question. But next your it should be brought up and atleast voted or thought about.

[Reflection]

Many RC'ers already have Maxx Sized stuff laying around they can't use b/c it's either to small for the supers ot to big for the 2.2's.


Why is maxx stuff to small for supers?

[Kamikaze]

Actualy a 2.2 is scale for a 22" rim, so if scale is what were after than we need to find some 1.5" real quick

[run2jeepn]

Why is maxx stuff to small for supers?
Well most Maxx tires are around 5.5in. Which is still under the 2.2 Tires limits, but a alittle small to go up agaisnt guys running Moab XL's.

[Reflection]

Well most Maxx tires are around 5.5in. Which is still under the 2.2 Tires limits, but a alittle small to go up agaisnt guys running Moab XL's.


.....the same thing could be said about guys running 2.2 Moabs against guys running hybrid Badland 2.2's"thumbsup"

I know what your saying. Not trying to arguing here,just throwng out thoughts. A guy could run maxx size wheels in super and still have a tire bigger/badder than a XL and/or a tire that performs better than an XL."thumbsup" CA glue and Goop are your freinds:lol:

[run2jeepn]

...Not trying to arguing here,just throwng out thoughts.

Oh I know....I don't see it hurting anything. As the sports grows and more and more Scale Runs popping up. I don't think Wheels should matter for the 2.2 Class. Keep the 12.5in Rules and maybe add a Channel limit. Like no more then 3 channels. Scale is cool and fun but, these are Comps rigs. As long as the tire doesn't get over 6in.

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

It's the 2.2 class.................



2.2 rims............end of story.

[dezfan]

It's the 2.2 class.................



2.2 rims............end of story.

Come on Sheldon, quit beating around the bush, tell us how you really feel about the subject.:lol:

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Well, I really like those 8-ball rims. Especially with the spinners. It gives that Mtv look.

[AIPOHAKU]

Well, I really like those 8-ball rims. Especially with the spinners. It gives that Mtv look.
:lol: CRIMP MY CRAWLER!!!

[FrankyRizzo]

It's the 2.2 class.................



2.2 rims............end of story.

You have no class!!

:wink:

[run2jeepn]

It's all good....:)

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

You have no class!!

:wink:Sweet!! Is it spring break already?

[Grizzly4x4]

Why not just run in the super class and extend the wheelbase?
My 2.2 Clod is doing decent in the super class with 14.75" WB and 2.2 Imex Red Rocks (although I am going to try running some Badlands at the next event and maybe some RR's skinned with Badland tread later on).

Sparky J's 14" WB TXT with Maxx Masher tires has been placing in the top 5 in both events we've had.

Then you get to run your big dub wheels, any tire you want, and you get 4ws.
8)

[Grizzly4x4]

Sweet!! Is it spring break already?
I thought it was summer vacation. "thumbsup"

[Kamikaze]

I don't like the 3 channel limit, alot of us are running a disco/brake system that requires 4 channels to operate. I don't realy like the mutant tires, I just want bigger rims.

[FrankyRizzo]

I don't realy like the mutant tires, I just want bigger rims.

Bingo!

[STEW<CO>]

No, but I did :flipoff:

• Vehicle is limited to 2.2 inch wheels/rims or smaller at the bead surface. Wheels may be modified provided
that the tire bead surface does not exceed 2.2 inched in diameter. Tires may be modified from other sized
tires using only a pliable rubber but must not exceed a total uncompressed outer diameter of 6 inches.

End of discussion :flipoff: :lol:
I have to agree, 2.2 is 2.2 end of discussion. In my opinion they shouldn't allow capping either, a 2.2 tire should stay as it came from the factory. If you want bigger rims and tires, build a super!! That's why 2.2 class is meant to be an entry level class, to inspire people to enter into the R/C Rockcrawling Arena that has been created.

[jason]

Actualy a 2.2 is scale for a 22" rim, so if scale is what were after than we need to find some 1.5" real quick

Actually our 2.2 crawlers are closer to 1/8th scale.;)

12.5" wheelbase= 10th scale 125" wheelbase
12.5" wheelbase= 8th scale 100" wheelbase

I know a ton of the COMPETITION 1:1 rockcrawlers run right at a 100" wheelbase.

This would make the 2.2" wheel very close to scale with a 17" wheel which again most 1:1 competitors run. 2.2X8=17.6".

The reason we kept the 2.2 wheel rule is because this is the 2.2 class. It has always been defined as requiring a 2.2" wheel. A lot of people wanted to put a cap on overall tire size since people were now starting to make their own large tires.

It's a trade off, if you want a huge tire for ground clearance, and powering out of holes, you are going to have to deal with that big floppy sidewall.

[FrankyRizzo]

you are going to have to deal with that big floppy sidewall.

and taller COG. Less favorable for side hilling.

[Kamikaze]

Yeah I guess, I know I can't stand having a floppy:roll:

[holycaveman]

Definatly no,

The 2.2 rule works, easy to regulate. Tons of 2.2 rims out there.

Yea, there are certain advantages to larger rims, but there are advantages to 4 ws also.

IF they can't let us narrow bodies to spec, why in the world would they change the 2.2 rule?? Kinda funny.

It's a trade off, if you want a huge tire for ground clearance, and powering out of holes, you are going to have to deal with that big floppy sidewall.

Nail on the head!!!! Besides I have cured the floppy sidewalls on large tires, so I will be ticked if you guys go changing the 2.2 rules:roll:

[Fishmaxx]

holycaveman, this thread is over a year old in the post prior to yours ;-)

[Kamikaze]

YEAH!!!!!
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9461/oldestthread0hx.jpg

[Reflection]

I guess holycaveman paid attention.....http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php:lol:

[Jamus]

I guess I missed this one the first go-round. Too bad it never came to anything, would have helped out those trying to fab up 2.2 class maxx and twin force rigs. Though the guys who try that are usually in to fabbing anyway.

[holycaveman]

holycaveman, this thread is over a year old in the post prior to yours ;-)


LOL I feel realy smart about now:-P



This forum is usually so busy, I had just thought it was a new thing, never saw it before. Sorry

And am glad its not a new thing!"thumbsup"

[dshelowjr]

I guess holycaveman paid attention.....http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php:lol:
Man thats funny right there:lol: