Poison Spyder Tuber

['83 chevy]

i just got my x factor axles in the mail this morning and immediately got started on this build. i started with the 1:1 vehicle i was going to start with, the Cyclops. I took the pics i got of that and scaled all the measurements down to 1/8 scale. I'm estimating needing around 20-25 ft of tubing for this rig. i plan on starting on the tube work tomorrow.
heres the 1: 1 rig pic http://academic.evergreen.edu/r/rosash30/CyclopsCustomTubeBuggy.jpg
(http://academic.evergreen.edu/r/rosash30/CyclopsCustomTubeBuggy.jpg)
the specs
17" wb
1/4" brake line MIGed together
x factor axles
e maxx trans lock in 1st, and modded plate
axiom 65t lathe
LST's on x-75's fro now, need new wheels(way too wide)
maxx big bores
here are some mock up pics(cardboard template is actual size)
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/100_0695.jpg
closer view of frame(gonna raise the hood/door bars up 1/2" and lower the roof 1/4")
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/100_0699.jpg
see 18" wide
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/100_0700.jpg

['83 chevy]

thanks

i dont think im vever getting rid of these tire/wheels, i love them, they work great.

i got some of the tube work done today. ill have pics when the camera is done charging

['83 chevy]

here are the progress pics do far.
side view
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/100_0701.jpg
front view
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/100_0702.jpg
one of the joints
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/100_0704.jpg
and heres what im gonna do, i tweaked the protoype drawing some
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/untitled-7.jpg



Oh and im gonna be using a maxx tranny, locked in first with a 65 turn axiom on 7-8 cells, so you think im gonna need to run a GD-600?

[Reflection]

Oh and im gonna be using a maxx tranny, locked in first with a 65 turn axiom on 7-8 cells, so you think im gonna need to run a GD-600?


Allot will depend on the weight of the thing,what kinda shape your cells are in,your final drive gear ratio and what kinda wheelspeed you want. If your looking for good power,low end and wheelspeed out of a 65t,you ain't gonna get it. IMHO,a lathe motor is to slow and a far cry from being powerfull.

['83 chevy]

Allot will depend on the weight of the thing,what kinda shape your cells are in,your final drive gear ratio and what kinda wheelspeed you want. If your looking for good power,low end and wheelspeed out of a 65t,you ain't gonna get it. IMHO,a lathe motor is to slow and a far cry from being powerfull.


Im guessing around a 11 lb rig. so it looks like i better start saving for a Bl set-up. What do ya recommend?

[Reflection]

Im guessing around a 11 lb rig. so it looks like i better start saving for a Bl set-up. What do ya recommend?


That depends on how far you wanna push your rig.:lol: Is it bombproof?:lol:


I'm running a Mamba Maxx/Hyperion 3025-8 combo from Holmes Hobbies. With the right gear ratio and 8-9 cells it's VERY nice. Pleanty of torque to sheer spur teeth off WITH the slipper unlocked and decent wheelspeed. Run 10 cells and burn your tires leaving black marks on the rocks:lol:

JRH's can hook you up. Tell him you like my set up:lol: :lol: :lol:

['83 chevy]

That depends on how far you wanna push your rig.:lol: Is it bombproof?:lol:

I'm running a Mamba Maxx/Hyperion 3025-8 combo from Holmes Hobbies. With the right gear ratio and 8-9 cells it's VERY nice. Pleanty of torque to sheer spur teeth off WITH the slipper unlocked and decent wheelspeed. Run 10 cells and burn your tires leaving black marks on the rocks:lol:

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well i hoping to make it bombproof, i'm not worried about the axles, the tranny should handle it, and i'm thing of making some driveshafts like you metal ones.
im not sure though that i can justify $230 in the motor and esc to my parents:lol: , what about the mamba 25, i noticed you ran that, did it work ok with the Hyperion 3025-8(thats the motor i want)?

[Reflection]

well i hoping to make it bombproof, i'm not worried about the axles, the tranny should handle it, and i'm thing of making some driveshafts like you metal ones.
im not sure though that i can justify $230 in the motor and esc to my parents:lol: , what about the mamba 25, i noticed you ran that, did it work ok with the Hyperion 3025-8(thats the motor i want)?


Steel driveshafts aren't really needed. The Revo's are taking my abuse nicely. They've really suprized me,they've stood up to some serious abuse that lead to steel gear failures. IMHO,you can't go wrong with the Revo's. Steel shafts are a pain to build,heavy and have allot of rotating mass.

The Mamba 25 won't handle a heavy super. I never ran the Hyperion motor on the 25,I ran a MPJet motor. It would get hot trying to pull a heavy super around. Thats why I'm running the Max now"thumbsup" I've still got my Mamba 25 set aside for my upcoming 2.2 secret build;-)

Thats the beauty of the Mamba Max. You don't have to run the brushless at first. It'll run brushed or brushless"thumbsup" Set it up with a cheap lathe motor or 27t stock motor. Save up and go brushless later;-)

['83 chevy]

Thats the beauty of the Mamba Max. You don't have to run the brushless at first. It'll run brushed or brushless"thumbsup" Set it up with a cheap lathe motor or 27t stock motor. Save up and go brushless later;-)

never thought of that, then it wouldn't be such a shock to my wallet, thats what i think im gonna do, get the esc first then , the BL motor later. thanks for your help. so a maxx trans and revo shafts should handle that kind of power alright?

-Jim-

[Thorsteenster]

where's its eye?

ok i see what your building it after, but i dont see the cyclops in the 1:1 either.

['83 chevy]

where's its eye?

ok i see what your building it after, but i dont see the cyclops in the 1:1 either.

look right under the front stinger, theres a huge headlight, which is the eye

[Reflection]

so a maxx trans and revo shafts should handle that kind of power alright?

-Jim-

It should be O.K.



Then I read your sig line.................................;-)

['83 chevy]

no progress so far to speak of, im waiting to get the tranny so i can finish the trans mounts and frame braces. so if it shows tomorrow ill have some progress"thumbsup"

[braceysdad]

Not to say your lavender wheels are not banging but, ..............

I have these if your interested. You have pm

['83 chevy]

Sick! BD thanks alot for these, they will look sick. i got the tranny, but decided to go fishing instead of welding:lol: i'll work on it this weekend

[e-hills4x4]

looks good i just hope you dont make those ghey ladder things that are on the real one

['83 chevy]

looks good i just hope you dont make those ghey ladder things that are on the real one
thanks , and ya i didnt plan on making the ladders

ok i didnt have any school today(a teacher died so they closed school so we could all go to the funeral)

after that i started working on it again so heres what i got done . i still need to make link mounts/tranny mounts, and some other little stuff, and clean up the joints some more. Im gonna do a green frame(paint in the pics) and black panels.
here they are
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/frame-1.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/frame2-1.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/frame3-1.jpg

['83 chevy]

here are todays pics. The snap-on truck showed up today with a new toy, a sweet tubing bender. so i had to try it out and it works perfect. i made the shock hoops, and upper link mounts. tomorrow im hoping to completly finish the tube work and paint it.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/frame4-1.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/frame5-1.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/frame6.jpg

['83 chevy]

links look a little tiny.

Other than that, looks good.


ya those are getting covered with 5/16" brakeline

[Cslax06]

Looks tiny?

Geez...you gotta remember how big those axles are too...

[braceysdad]

Lookin sweet! Dang nice tube work

[Bart bender]

Lookin sweet! Dang nice tube work
Yes, and that bender is nice isn't it? If it's the one I have also.

['83 chevy]

Yes, and that bender is nice isn't it? If it's the one I have also.
Thanks
the bender i got was the 300 model, it is sweet. im working on linking up the front, and will hopefully get it in paint today.

[Reflection]

ya those are getting covered with 5/16" brakeline

Just an idea,if you tend to get rough with your rig. If you run 1/4" brake line then sleeve it with 5/16".....they'll be super stout. I run this set up on my lower links and just 1/4" line only on my uppers. I tend to bend/brake the #8 all thread every now and then but never bend a link.

['83 chevy]

Just an idea,if you tend to get rough with your rig. If you run 1/4" brake line then sleeve it with 5/16".....they'll be super stout. I run this set up on my lower links and just 1/4" line only on my uppers. I tend to bend/brake the #8 all thread every now and then but never bend a link.


was planning on it;)

here is all i got done today, i linked up the front, and made all the link covers. ill be painting it tomorrow, and i need to make some panels.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/frame7.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/frame8-1.jpg

now i need to figure out a steering setup. im thinking of using chassis mounted servos, with bellcranks on the axles to steer. i dont want the servos on the axles so we'll see. im also trying to find a piece of delrin for a skid

[willyrocket]

Dont forget about panel mount tabs no your tubework before you paint!!!

Lookin good.........

['83 chevy]

Dont forget about panel mount tabs no your tubework before you paint!!!

Lookin good.........

i knew i was forgeting something, thanks for reminding me. that would have really sucked

['83 chevy]

here is what i go tdone today. I didnt get to painting it but there is still tomorrow. i made a skid out of 304 stainless and mounted the tranny. adding just these 2 pieces added 2.5 lbs. to it, its sitting at 10lb 8oz.
Im stuck on what to use for panels. i was stuck between using sheet metal, or sheet alumium, or lexan. what do you guys think would be a good material?
anyway here are the pics
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/frame10.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/frame9.jpg

['83 chevy]

well its in paint. there is 3 coats of green, and 3 coats of automotive clear on it. the colors go perfectly together.
tomorrow ill make the panels paint them and mount them. now i just need to wait for BraceysDad to send me my aluminum wheel halves and rock rings. i also added 2 bars in the front area behind the shocks, i think they look sweet there.
here are the pics
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/Greenframe.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/greenframe2.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/greenframe3.jpg

['83 chevy]

i put the truck back together today. the panels are ghetto mounted but oh well ,they work and they look good(sort of). now i need to get my a$$ in gear and finish this and the clod before this weekend. but anyway here are the pics
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/greenframe4.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/greenframe5.jpg

[braceysdad]

Call me tomorrow and remind me. I'll pm you my #

[lohocla]

damn dude:shock: that tuber is Sweeeeet:) you do awesome work.
do you have a part number for that bender from snappy? I cant find it in either catalog and our snap-on guy is gone and the new woman snappy doesnt know much yet.

['83 chevy]

damn dude:shock: that tuber is Sweeeeet:) you do awesome work.
do you have a part number for that bender from snappy? I cant find it in either catalog and our snap-on guy is gone and the new woman snappy doesnt know much yet.
Thanks
yep the one im using is this one http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?search=true&item_ID=74284&PartNo=TBS300&group_id=1340&supersede=&store=snapon-store&tool=all it will do 1/4,5/16, and 3/8" tube, but if you want to be able to do 3/16 too, you will need this one, im ordering on of these as well http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?search=true&item_ID=10773&PartNo=TBS200A&group_id=1340&supersede=&store=snapon-store&tool=all

it is the best bender i have ever used

['83 chevy]

i meant to ask before, should i put the RCC sticker where it is or no? if not what else should i do?

['83 chevy]

Ya im guess this thing went in a diffeerrent direction than looking like the Cyclops, meaning no eye. (if a mod see's this can you change the title? dont have a new one in mind though. any ideas?).

as for the wheels, braceysdad shipped out my wheels yesterday so ill have some aluminum halves on it soon.

M715ForLife why dont you like the panels? it needs to have them to be comp legal:roll:

[braceysdad]

I went ahead and sent the whole wheel with 3 sets of rock rings

['83 chevy]

I went ahead and sent the whole wheel with 3 sets of rock rings

:shock: sweet, thanks again for these they will look sweet

[bubbaracing]

Very cool man, nice job!

[4link4eva]

Throw out the panels! I do NOT like them.

All the more reason to keep 'em. :lol:

I think the panels look pretty good, but they'd look better in aluminium, as a few smaller panels rather than two big ones.

[JohnRobHolmes]

That is some handy tube work there. A agree a bit on the panels though. some smaller aluminum ones would look trick.

Your suspension geometry looks really good.

[Bart bender]

Duct tape looks kinda like aluminum, maybe that would look OK.









NOT!!!

['83 chevy]

Your covering up your NICE KILLER hard work on that tuber.

Looks nice btw...guess what my puter back gound is...
ya i know but oh well

Very cool man, nice job!
Thanks alot

All the more reason to keep 'em. :lol:

I think the panels look pretty good, but they'd look better in aluminium, as a few smaller panels rather than two big ones.
i cant picture it in my head, could you draw it up maybe?

That is some handy tube work there. A agree a bit on the panels though. some smaller aluminum ones would look trick.

Your suspension geometry looks really good.
Thanks. Im gonna be talking to you some time in the future about a BL setup for it, im thinking a hyperion 3025-8/mamba maxx combo:twisted:

[JohnRobHolmes]

That would certainly power it!

[4link4eva]

Something like this:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/4link4eva/Editedgreenframe.jpg

['83 chevy]

hmm maybe once i destroy these panels i could do that, i think it looks really cool. thanks for the idea"thumbsup"

['83 chevy]

ok im stuck on this build, i cannot figure out a way to mount the servos. maybe you guys could help me out. here are pics of both axles, as you will see the front axle is really close to the frame so servo clearence is needed. any ideas?

front axle
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/frontaxle.jpg

inside view of front
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/frontaxleinside.jpg

rear axle
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/rearaxle.jpg

inside view of rear axle
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/rearaxleinside.jpg

[Rudukai13]

I see the tuber, but where's the cyclops?

['83 chevy]

Ya im guess this thing went in a diffeerrent direction than looking like the Cyclops, meaning no eye. (if a mod see's this can you change the title? dont have a new one in mind though. any ideas?).



I see the tuber, but where's the cyclops?

^^^^^^^^

[Toph]

You could make mounts that go on the sides of the axles. Like all the way near the knuckle but not yet touching them. Hope that this helps.

Krystopher

[Bart bender]

If this is a scale build, I'd put the servo inboard and drag link and con rod. 1:1 style. The chassis is close enough.

[xjwalt666]

longer shocks"thumbsup" :lol: j/k i agree with the frame mount idea. it would look pretty good that way, and keep a nice clean look on the axles to keep the scale look

[braceysdad]

Did you get the wheels, yet?

['83 chevy]

If this is a scale build, I'd put the servo inboard and drag link and con rod. 1:1 style. The chassis is close enough.

i can do that on the front with no problem but what about the rear?

BTW- Bd, nope not yet they are expected to be here today, so i'll let you know

['83 chevy]

nope no tyet they will be here tomorrow. im working on the rear steering right now.

[Bart bender]

im working on the rear steering right now.

What you coming up with. Just to throw an idea at you. Keep the servo inboard, and use 2 con rods with a bell crank at the axle. Raptorman has a set up like this on his 2.2 Twin.

['83 chevy]

What you coming up with. Just to throw an idea at you. Keep the servo inboard, and use 2 con rods with a bell crank at the axle. Raptorman has a set up like this on his 2.2 Twin.

thats the idea i used, i mounted the servo inbord next to the tranny, then have a con rod going to the axle, which connects to a stock tlt cantilever(need to make a new one the looks like this "L"). then a tierod to the knuckle. it works sweet.

ill have pics up later

[Bart bender]

Bitchin!

['83 chevy]

SHE LIVES!!!!

i go the truck going today finally.my wheels showed up(thanks BD) also the steering set-ups work mint. I need to make the roof panel and then its completly done. i wanted to go out and test it but with all this rain we got everything is soaked and the yard is like soup, so ill have to wait. one it dries up ill take it to Ma-Bell and run the sh!t out of it.

anyway here are the pics
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/done4.jpg

for the front steering i simply mounted the servo on the frame with a drag link.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/done2.jpg

the rear was a little more complex but it works, the servo is mounted to the skid with a drag link to a bell crank, then to the knuckles it works sick
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/done3.jpg

[braceysdad]

The wheels look much better on your rig then on my shelf

['83 chevy]

The wheels look much better on your rig then on my shelf
:lol:

BTW its sitting at 12lbs. even

[Toph]

12 pounds. Thats great compared to my rig, it's 18 pounds:shock:!!!!!!!!!!!!

['83 chevy]

here are the close up pics. it took a long time to figure this out, getting all the links the right length. and there is almost no bump steer
cant even tell its there
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/done5.jpg
the bell crank- made from 3/8" fuel line and 1/2"x1/16" flat steel
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/done6.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/done7.jpg

i also need some help with a design for the panels. any ideas?

[Toph]

Lookin' good! So when do we get to see action pics?

['83 chevy]

Lookin' good! So when do we get to see action pics?
thanks, since we got all that rain my spot is a mess so probably either Wednesday or Thursday. i might screw around with it today in the yard but thats it.

[xjwalt666]

looks good but i gotta say those shocks look tiny on it

['83 chevy]

looks good but i gotta say those shocks look tiny on it
thanks, I'm looking at getting a set of shocks off the genisis. I'm 99% sure they are bigger than the maxxs

[WheelChair]

Nice, I like the bellcrank steering! i was thinking somthing like that for supersteer but did not want any bumpsteer...

Looks good!

['83 chevy]

thanks wheelchair. i didn't get to take it out today though it was still too wet out. im going catfishing tomorrow so ill bring it with me(ill make sure not to pull a wheelchair moment though j/k:lol:)

['83 chevy]

well i have an idea as to what is gonna go on the hood, i pm'd R2j about a price just waiting to hear back

what do ya think?
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/piosonspyderlogo.jpg
the blue marking on its back will be green though

im also considering doing a grille as well heres what it looks like
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/TLTCRAWLR/grille.jpg

['83 chevy]

yah eat um?

Have fun.

I WILL get my tuber done tomm.

nope don't eat them. just go for the hell of it.

[Kranberry]

i see that you like catipiller right, then why did you paint your tuber john deer green :flipoff:

nice tuber"thumbsup"

['83 chevy]

i see that you like catipiller right, then why did you paint your tuber john deer green :flipoff:

nice tuber"thumbsup"

lol, thanks. i have been driving the piss out of this thing, and i havent had any major issues(just a couple steering fixes), i was hoping to get out with the NERCC guys this weekend but i couldnt go:-(

[jsudar]

I was going to try a similar steering setup on my twin. What did you have to do to eliminate the bump steer? Is it as simple as lining up the pivot points of the drag link and the suspension links or is it more complex than that?

I guess there is always trial and error.

Nice build up. I am very impressed.

['83 chevy]

I was going to try a similar steering setup on my twin. What did you have to do to eliminate the bump steer? Is it as simple as lining up the pivot points of the drag link and the suspension links or is it more complex than that?

I guess there is always trial and error.

Nice build up. I am very impressed.
Thanks

ya that is what i read. i looked around on google and that was the way they said to set it up. as long as the drag link pivots are located at the same points as the links , and it is parallel to the links you shouldn't have any bump steer.

i still do have some in the rear but its very slight. and as for the front with the way the servo is mounted, when you steer if sometimes forces the axle to sway but that is minimal as well.

[pedemaster-rc]

Hey man was reading your project today and was wonder what shock mounts were you using on the chassis mounts? they look cool and i need something good and strong for my tuber.

['83 chevy]

Hey man was reading your project today and was wonder what shock mounts were you using on the chassis mounts? they look cool and i need something good and strong for my tuber.
they are the stock tlt cantilever bushings, i just shortened them down some on the lathe

[pedemaster-rc]

ahh thats cool i should try it. good thing i didnt junk my stock tlt chassis.

[bagged92sdime]

i like ur grill idea..:)

[codizzl]

sweet that is awsome i like th rear steer on it good job now all you need to do is add a vid so we can see it crawl "thumbsup"

['83 chevy]

i like ur grill idea..:)

sweet that is awsome i like th rear steer on it good job now all you need to do is add a vid so we can see it crawl "thumbsup"

thanks guys. i havent been driving this all that much, been involved in my rc boating endeavor. i was trying to get a vid together but ended up giving up

[Monster RC]

Dont give up make the video :)

[chase3194]

that looks sick.

[rockin92xj]

"thumbsup" like the build

['83 chevy]

Wow haven't seen this thread in a long time. thanks for the kind words anyways, but this truck has long since been parted out,there are now parts of her all over the country.

[MuddinJeepXJ]

That things pretty cool its just like Suicide Sally