Wheely King Clocked Motor Plate Template

[Harley0706]

I am working on a template for making a clocked motor plate for the wheely king. GStealer gave me the idea and set me his tranny to so I could model it. I got the tranny modeled during lunch, so I will start on the plate a little later.

Again this will be like the servo mount, I will just make a 1:1 template that you can trace and make your own plate.

Here is the start.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/WKTrans.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/WKTrannyRendered.jpg

It will be designed around a 55T lathe, so just about any motor should work.

Josh Thiede

[gstealer]

Wow, that got there quick!

Some fast work in getting that done too.. Looks great! "thumbsup"

Feel free to hold on to it until you're sure you're done.
I'm stuck on my build anyhow..

[Natedog]

Lookin good...again. :)

[Harley0706]

Just incase anyone is wondering, this is not being designed for the stock chassis. I do not know that there is room for it in there. I do not own a WK yet so I am not 100% if it is possible or not. This has the custom builder in mind.

Josh Thiede

[swhenrik]

Just incase anyone is wondering, this is not being designed for the stock chassis. I do not know that there is room for it in there. I do not own a WK yet so I am not 100% if it is possible or not. This has the custom builder in mind.

Josh Thiede

There's NO room to move the motor sideways, the stock chassis is pretty narrow. You can tell by the mounting posts sticking out the side how narrow it is, the chassis plates bolt directly to those.

[72Blazer]

I just put a WK tranny in my scaler.The only way to clock it was to remove one of the mounting posts so clocking one in a stock WK chassis will be hard without a new mount.When you clock it I first tried 90 degrees but when I mounted a 45t motor I actually needed to rotate it about 95 degrees.THis lets the motor rest in the "valley" in the case between the two upper gears.With my tranny I just shaved off all the mounts and made a plate to mount it.Works pretty good.Only thind I had to do was get a larger spur so that it would mesh with the pinion.Ended up with a 32p,67t spur and a 10t pinion.Works pretty good.

[Harley0706]

That is pretty much the plan. The mounts obviously have to be shaved on one side.

I have not yet decided yet about mounting. I may make a version with a bend in it for a mounting position, we will see.

Thanks for the input, the more the better.

Josh Thiede

[72Blazer]

Here are a few pics showing how I did it.In the 2nd pic I rotated the motorplate about 95 degrees on the "X" axis. I then made a "L" bracket to mount the tranny to the chassis.I tried to make it a one piece motor/tranny mount but because of my frame I had to do them individually.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/roberte/DSCN2297.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/roberte/DSCN2298.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/roberte/DSCN2301.jpg

[JIA's Dad]

Harley, Here are a couple of pics of the mount we made for the Scorpion King. Thanks go out to Jeremy for his help on this mount. Hope they help this mount is fairly rough not exact size holes but works well.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t186/JIAS_DAD/002-4.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t186/JIAS_DAD/001-4.jpg

[emaxxjeremy]

Harley, Here are a couple of pics of the mount we made for the Scorpion King. Thanks go out to Jeremy for his help on this mount. Hope they help this mount is fairly rough not exact size holes but works well.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t186/JIAS_DAD/002-4.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t186/JIAS_DAD/001-4.jpg


man that a sweet motor plate. especially considering its made of a leftover tlt chassis plate. lol

[Harley0706]

Hey thanks for all the pics guys, I will be trying to get it as compact as possible. I will be trying different spur gear sizes as well.

What size spur gears are you all willing to run. The larger the better!!!

ASAP please.

Josh Thiede

[Cslax06]

I'd start with a 90t Spur. Thats what I have in my WK and it works great.

[72Blazer]

I'd start with a 90t Spur. Thats what I have in my WK and it works great.
The stock 90t won't work,its too small and won't mesh with the pinion.Need something with a larger diameter.I ended up using a 32p,67t spur and a 10 t pinion.

[Harley0706]

I was thinking that a 32p gear would be the best solution also. The 48p just makes like a little too difficult size wise.

I didn't get as much done last night as I wanted to the wife needed some quality time, and you have to try and keep them happy ya know.

I will get a good jump on it during lunch.

Josh

[Harley0706]

I am going to try a 23p 72t pinion, any objections? Too short?

[72Blazer]

I am going to try a 23p 72t pinion, any objections? Too short?
I tried a 23t with the stock 90t spur and it didn't work with a 45t size motor.With a small brushless it would work.Thats why I went to 32p.Had plenty of selectons.

[Harley0706]

Sorry I transposed the numbers that is supposed to be 32p not 23p my bad.

The design will be up shortly.

Josh

[Harley0706]

Well here is a quick pic for you all. This is initial design, right now it is setup with 32p 72t spur, 10t pinion, and an integy lathe motor. I still have to put the holes in for the mounting points to the tranny but that will only take a few minutes. I am also going to "trim the fat" off of it too, try and get it compact yet plenty strong.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Renderings/Clocked_1.jpg

Lets hear some comments and suggestions.

Josh Thiede

[SlickZR2]

I am running a 48p 96t Robinson racing spur, which allows for a 17t pinion on the stock mount.

[JIA's Dad]

Harley, a 72 tooth spur sticks out past the tranny mounting post (that the screws go into) a 67 tooth will clear. I know this because that's what I run (72) except I use a 9 tooth pinion. With a 72 tooth I use a 1/4 spacer to clear but the actual amount to clear is about 1/8". pics first shows tranny leaning backwards
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t186/JIAS_DAD/001-5.jpg


http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t186/JIAS_DAD/003-4.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t186/JIAS_DAD/002-5.jpg

[Harley0706]

Thank you for the info. Little things like that help the most. I will double check to make sure I don't have any clearance issues with using a 67t spur. Since these will most likely be used in custom chassis' I don't see a huge problem with having to use a spacer but it will also be nice to let people know.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Renderings/clearance.jpg

I am going to create several gears tonight and test fit them.

I need a bunch of suggestions for gearing.

72/10
72/12
72/9

67/9
??/??

Let me know what you guys want to see fit.


Thanks again.

Josh

[72Blazer]

I don't have any issues with my 67t spur.Anything bigger and I would have to shim the tranny to get it to fit.

[Natedog]

...Need something with a larger diameter.I ended up using a 32p,67t spur and a 10 t pinion.

That gear ratio does not seem low enough....don't recall the TLT and WK axle gear ratios, but I don't think they are different enough for this motor pinion/spurgear ratio to work well in a crawler.

EDIT: Looking great Harley!!! As for gearing...my TLT 2.2 uses 12/87...but as I said don't remember the axle gearing in the TLT and WK.

JIA'sDad, Great lookin motor plate too!!!

[72Blazer]

That gear ratio does not seem low enough....don't recall the TLT and WK axle gear ratios, but I don't think they are different enough for this motor pinion/spurgear ratio to work well in a crawler.

EDIT: Looking great Harley!!! As for gearing...my TLT 2.2 uses 12/87...but as I said don't remember the axle gearing in the TLT and WK.

JIA'sDad, Great lookin motor plate too!!!

I have mine in a scaler.I wanted a little more speed than my crawler.I'm running a 45t motor with the WK tranny with the 67/10 combo.Definately a little faster.I'm going to put my 55t out of my crawler in it to compare the 2 set ups.My crawler is running a 14/87 combo. We'll see"thumbsup"

[JIA's Dad]

I'm running the 32 pitch, 72t spur w/ 9t pinion and powered by Mamba 25 w/ a 450 park brushless motor. Power to spare and I can walk and keep up with it. I have not calculated final ratio. Any slower would maybe not have enough wheel speed. But I have found a 100 tooth spur gear. Have not bought it yet.

[Harley0706]

I test fitted a 67t spur with a few different pinions, all fits fine.

My question is do you think it is a big deal to have one of the motor mount screws behind the pinion? I am thinking I will probably need to change it. Just sucks to do.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Spur.jpg

[JIA's Dad]

Do you mean behind the spur gear. =big gear, pinion=little gear. If the spur? If you are going to make a new mount which is what your doing, I would prefer to not have a screw behind a gear. But it really is not a big deal to me.

[JasonInAugusta]

I test fitted a 67t spur with a few different pinions, all fits fine.

My question is do you think it is a big deal to have one of the motor mount screws behind the pinion? I am thinking I will probably need to change it. Just sucks to do.




If you can put a motor mount screw behind the pinion...I want to see it. :lol:

Don't worry about it behind the spur - they're not solid like in your rendering. "thumbsup"

[Harley0706]

Dang it, yeah I meant spur. Thanks for pointing out I'm an Idiot, jk.

I have been mixing them up all day, well anyways.

I picked me up a new Dremel last night (400 series baby) and I am going to try and get a couple of these cut out of 1/8" delrin tonight. I am going to send one back with the tranny when I return it to GStealer. I will try and post up pics tonight if I get it done. I have to run to Fantastic Plastics over lunch to see if they have a scrap I can buy instead of spending $70 on a 24 x 48 piece.

Peace out.

Josh

[P47TBolt]

Here is my scale truck chasis with WK trans with stock plate
modified to reclock it.worked pretty good.

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=31843&stc=1&d=1175051665

[Harley0706]

Today when I was cuting out the template for the new clocked motor plate I noticed that it printed smaller then 1:1. I checked the paper template against the design and concluded that Adobe PDF Maker actually shinks the print by almost 5%. So I corrected the output size and everything should be good now. This is the reason why the servo mounts were not lining up 100% correctly (more like 96% correctly). With things this small it can really cause a problem.


Anyways, a template is available for anyone who wants it.

Josh

[Cslax06]

I'd like a template, could you PM it to me?

[Natedog]

...do you think it is a big deal to have one of the motor mount screws behind the pinion? I am thinking I will probably need to change it....

That doesn't bother me...as pointed out there are holes in the spurgear. Function over form! A hole could be drilled in the spur if needed to make it easier.

[Harley0706]

The template can not be PM'd. It has to be e-mailed, just send me an e-mail and I will reply with the template attached.

I was going to try and make one tonight but I can't use my new Dremel untill next week (long story).

Hope to see some response to this. It should be pretty easy for everyone to make with a dremel and a drill bit. I recommend using some plastic and a rotozip blade. I bought a piece of plastic today that would make probably 30 of these things for $2 (scrap pile at Fantastic plastics).

BTW, I am not going to make 30 of them, I was just saying that I only spent $2 for that much material.

Josh

[Cslax06]

CSlax06@aol.com

Please and thank you!

[Harley0706]

You got mail. But for future reference, please click on my user name and click send e-mail. Much easier for me, don't have to cut and paste ya know (I can be a lazy a$$ sometimes).

Josh

[Cslax06]

No problem, Ill post pictures of my project very soon in this thread!

Thanks a ton!

[Harley0706]

Well decided to make one of my plates today when I got home.

Here is a pic of the Final Product but the fabrication is below.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011165.jpg

Started at around 6:15 or so.

It took about an hour to finish, and I took a lot of pictures along the way. I feel it went really quickly. Simply cut out my the paper I printed out, and traced it onto the palstic and began.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011136.jpg


First I used a Rotozip blade on my new Dremel and cut out the basic square. It didn't work that well so I used a hack saw, which worked very quickly. I then cleaned it up quick on my bench grinder.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011139.jpg

Traced the wholes where the mounting points and shaft carriers went. Used a drill bit to drill several quick holes, then cut through the remaining material with the rotozip.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011141.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011142.jpg

Then I test fitted the plate onto the tranny.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011144.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011145.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011149.jpg

Last step was to cut out the the holes for the motor to mount through.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011150.jpg

DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here are the pictures to show the amount of adjustment.

I did not go purchase nor did I have the proper size pinion and spur combos. And this is a borrowed tranny, GStealer sent me his so that I could model it and design this plate.

I big thanks goes out to GStealer for paying postage to get the tranny to me and letting me use it to design this.

I hope that many of you will find this template useful, I spent quite quite a little bit of time on this little project. So anyways.........................lets finish up the pics.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011158.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011159.jpg
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http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011163.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011164.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011165.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011166.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011167.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/jtbusa/Fabrication/JT011168.jpg






Thanks Fellas

Josh Thiede

[gstealer]

Looks great!!

Nice job! "thumbsup""thumbsup"

No biggie one sending it to ya.. really.
Glad to help.

[Natedog]

Anybody running this setup with the motor down next to the chassis skidplate? I'm considering this and have a couple ideas for tranny mounts already using crossbraces off the motor mount to connect to the chassis vertical plates. Otherwise I'll just let the motor sit above the tranny near the middle of the chassis...which creates a slightly higher CG

[Natedog]

...had to get a larger spur so that it would mesh with the pinion.Ended up with a 32p,67t spur and a 10t pinion...

What is the brand and diameter of your 32 pitch 67t spur gear?

[JLOC]

Looks good! did you have to change the spur and pinion gear sizes to get things to mesh up???? If so what did you go with?



Here is my scale truck chasis with WK trans with stock plate
modified to reclock it.worked pretty good.

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=31843&stc=1&d=1175051665

[72Blazer]

What is the brand and diameter of your 32 pitch 67t spur gear?
Mine is actually a 66t not a 67t.I had looked at so many spurs at the LHS that I got confused a little.Happens as you get older.
Its 2 3/32" diameter and made by Kimbrough.Make sure you get a spur that has a lot of mounting holes,like 16 of so.They have a 68t one that has 8 I believe, and none of the holes like up.

Like this:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXS395&P=ML

Not like this:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXWH19&P=ML

[cammok5]

if any body has it can they send it to me please. cammok5kid@comcast.net

[sloppy]

i just installed my wk tranny in one of my trucks i have not clocked the motor yet but will make a motor plate this week i hope i went to 96 tooth spur and 14 tooth pinion 48p ground the case a little and had a 16 tooth pnion on with stock 90 tooth spur it was to fast though
i had thought about switching to 32p are you guys happy with them they are so noisy and less ratio to play with thats why i have stayed 48p

[Kranberry]

if any body has it can they send it to me please. cammok5kid@comcast.net
done

[cammok5]

thanks

[Natedog]

Mine is actually a 66t not a 67t...Its 2 3/32" diameter and made by Kimbrough.Make sure you get a spur that has a lot of mounting holes,like 16 of so.They have a 68t one that has 8 I believe, and none of the holes like up.

Like this:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXS395&P=ML

Thanks for the measurement...looked at the first style with lots of holes at my lhs and looks like four of them line up with the four HPI holes...but it was in the package so not for sure. May go with the RC10GT spur with only two holes and drill my own...that is a beefy spur gear!

[Natedog]

I don't mind if the motor is all the way up against the tranny. Biggest 32 pitch spur my lhs had was a 66 tooth for the T-Maxx (Kimbrough which run really smooth and quiet), so I bought it and am going to drill the four mounting holes in the spur. The spur for the RC10GT looks like it is 'module' pitch teeth are slightly different on close inspection. What is the smallest pinion that you can run with a 66 tooth spur and a standard brushed lathe motor?

[Mnster]

I'm running a 70 tooth spur with a 8 tooth pinion. E-maxx gears work fine, you just have to find something to line the stock spur and the maxx spur up for drilling. I used the chuck end of a big drill bit in the center holes of the spurs to align the holes.

Honestly, this trans really kinda sucks it's huge and has a poor ratio.

[Natedog]

Yeah I really wonder who's the dumbass that made the tranny gear ratio so crappy. :) Coulda at least got 2.25 out of it...

Dang 8 tooth from who? RC4WD or?

[todd1803]

It wasn't designed to be a crawler tranny. If they dropped the ratio more they would have had to use a 30 tooth pinon. Remember that the buggy tranny's you're comparing against don't have an additional 2.9:1 reduction in the axles, so they run more reduction in the tranny.

[Mnster]

It's still poor when stock, say I wanted to put a faster RPM motor like 10 turn in it I would still have to gear down.;-) Whatever, it is what it is I guess.:lol:

I was working on putting the motor backwards like. Making two plates that stack together as so the motor can stick out the front so you don't have to worry about the case being in the way.

[todd1803]

That idea actaully crossed my mind before I dumped the stock tranny all together. If you are running the stock chassis is there room to protrude the motor forward and mount it below the spur? That would make a big difference in CG.

[Harley0706]

That idea actaully crossed my mind before I dumped the stock tranny all together. If you are running the stock chassis is there room to protrude the motor forward and mount it below the spur? That would make a big difference in CG.

I will have this figured out very soon, if someone hasn't done it already. I have been working on it for the last two days. Some of the clearances kind of suck, Brushless anyone?

[Natedog]

Here's a shot of 9 tooth pinion and a EDIT: 67 tooth spur....little too much backlash and thanks Josh for the modelling. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/Natedogz/Wheely%20King%20Crawler/spur9t66t.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/Natedogz/Wheely%20King%20Crawler/spur9t66t.jpg

Kimbrough 32 Pitch spur gears:

T and E MAXX Gears
Part # Gear Size Price
364 64T 32Pitch $4.00
366 66T 32Pitch $4.00
368 68T 32Pitch $4.00
370 70T 32Pitch $4.00
372 72T 32Pitch $4.00

http://www.kimbrough-products.com/

EDIT: Fixed....thanks Josh...:oops:

[Harley0706]

Nate That was a 67 Tooth spur.

I will model those other sizes later tonight probably.

[slowcrawl]

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Front view Back view
Thank's to Harley0706 for the WK template and a little turn..Got the motor on the bottom for weight.

[hairba11]

you got a e-mail harley, any thoughts of doing a dual motor plate? clock one off to each side? those darn 6.5" tall k'rocks just eat up the 55t torque...

[Natedog]

Slowcrawl,

Welcome to the bb and VERY SCHWEET! That's what I have in mind when I cut mine out too.

[Harley0706]

A dual plate would be amazingly simple, just cut two copys out and and flip one backwards. Since the tranny is symetrical there are no worries. I actually thought about doing two motors but I just went brushless instead.

[slowcrawl]

Natedog: thanks of the kind words.. I had gone thru several configs. and about three pcs. of aluminum.. I did make sure I had some "air venting" holes to keep her cool..........:idea:

[Natedog]

Slowcrawl,

You won't have any cooling problems especially with that motor mount. Once you have your chassis and mounting all worked out, I'd either trim it down on the top and/or drill/cut/machine some lightening holes in it near the top to keep your COG as low as possible.

Out of curiosity and wanting the lowest gearing possible with the stock WK tranny, I bought a RRP 9 tooth pinion (RRP # 0090)

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEW94&P=7

this morning and test fitted it...works with a Kimbrough 66 tooth spur gear! Kinda weird, I guess the modelling software isn't accounting for slight variations in each gear manufacturers tolerances or something. With my 65T lathe motor all the way up against the side of the WK tranny housing it fits and is even a little bit tight (no backlash at all). I'm going to buy a 64 tooth spur today and see how that is.

[Harley0706]

Glad to hear it all worked out like that. Modeling is not exact, but it gets us damn close.

[slowcrawl]

The spur is 48 pitch 92T & pinion is 21T running the Matrix Pro Lathe Motor 55T.........I ran this in the all stock WK setup. It was a really good combo VS the stock setup. The new mount will go into a new chasssis...........

[Krylar]

I actually managed to convert the original motor plate into a 90 degree clocked motor plate in under an hour. It worked flawlessly, however it did require shaving down the side of one screw slightly to allow the motor to fit close enough to the tranny. Not sure if thats an issue with the plate you guys are making or not. If anyone is interested let me know, I can post pictures/measurements of where to drill and dremel.

[Harley0706]

You can just use the template to do that actually. If you just cut out the template, lay it on the original piece and cut out the holes. Makes it much easier then having to guess little by little. You could have it done as fast as you could cut it basiclly. The up side to using this template and making a nice plate instead of the stock one is that you are allowed more area for mounting. With the motor clocked you obviously loose mounting positions, this has plenty of area to fix that. This template will still be very useful and make it much easier to customize the stock plate.

Josh

[Natedog]

You can just use the template to do that actually. If you just cut out the template, lay it on the original place and cut out the holes. Makes it much easier then having to guess little by little. You could have it done as fast as you could cut it basiclly. The up side to using this template and making a nice plate instead of the stock one is that you are allowed more area for mounting. With the motor clocked you obviously loose mounting positions, this has plenty of area to fix that. This template will still be very useful and make it much easier to customize the stock plate.

Josh

Exactly what I used the template for...works great!

[hairba11]

I sent email to harley's posted addy, but maybe it missed, can I get a copy of the template? thanks.

theerbo@gmail.com

[Harley0706]

I hardly ever get a message caught in my spam filter but I will check. I will send a copy your way either way.

Josh

[cartronicshn]

Josh, thanks man, i got the templates"thumbsup" , i will get to work on them sometime this week and post pics of the results, thanks again:) "thumbsup"

[Harley0706]

Hey no problem at all!

Who is the fool who rated the template threads low?!?

[hairba11]

I checked the paper template against the design and concluded that Adobe PDF Maker actually shinks the print by almost 5%.

Josh

so do I print out at 105%, or play with it and make it work, or did you fix the scaling, or is the 1:0.9 scale on the print correct?
would that make it 111% to get full size?

Thanks,
Tim

[Harley0706]

The problem was address and the new templates are at the correct scale. nothing for you to do but print it out.

josh

[Natedog]

Hey no problem at all!

Who is the fool who rated the template threads low?!?

Probably some dipstick with nothing better to do...lol...offset that by rating it high, as it should be...lol. :)

The problem was address and the new templates are at the correct scale. nothing for you to do but print it out.

josh

Yup, worked great for me!

[hairba11]

sweet, thanks, I figure I'm going to cut this out of aluminum, then mount it on top of the stock plate. this will give me dual motor action. I have the tranny and motor laying on it's side now, so I will effectivly be raising the cg with the template, but keeping it lower than if the tranny stood upright. that should solve the power problem, then upgraded esc, bigger batt, beefier tranny, stickier tires, better axles......

[cammok5]

whats a good gear set up for some more torque but also wheel speed for mud if useing the 27t motor?

[Natedog]

9/66 32 pitch is working for me.

[Harley0706]

I would just spend the money and get yourself a good lathe motor. I have one I will send to you pretty cheap if you just want to try a 55t integy.

Josh

[cammok5]

i think the 55 would be toooo slow. if i buy a new motor i think id go with a 35t but im not to sure couse i still want speed.

oh btw ygpm

[Harley0706]

Here they are for anyone that wants them:

Notice that the file "WK Plans" is three pages. "thumbsup"

http://www.projecttwin.com/files/WKtemplates/

JIA has hosted these templates on his site now.

http://www.projecttwin.com/files/WKtemplates/

Thanks JIA this should help clean out my mailbox now.

Thanks for all the intrest people!

I know other people have offered to host them before, but I am to the point now where it is hard to keep up with everyone.

Also, ALL of the templates are in that file: Servo mount, BTA servo mount, Clocked Motor plate.

[Shaun]

Thats really cool, I think I'm going to pick me up a WK 4x4.

[outcastrc]

Heres my version of your template. Thats for going to the trouble of designing it.

http://outcastrc.com/gallery2/d/6421-1/2007-09-11_013.JPG

http://outcastrc.com/gallery2/d/6427-1/2007-09-11_019.JPG

[Doodoob]

Here is the mount I made with very limited tools here at Kunsan. I plan on fabbing up a new one when I get back home to LV. Thanks for the template!

What I started with
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc34/Doodoob/RC%20Crawler/Motortrannymount002.jpg

Finished and mounted in a K2-3S Chassis.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc34/Doodoob/RC%20Crawler/Motortrannymount001.jpg

[MudCow]

These mounts look great but am I am missing something...

Why don't you turn the motor mount slots thru 90 degrees to 1. get the mounting bolt out from behind the spur gear and 2. get a more positive adjustment onto the spur?

If you are hitting the tranny case, just grind a little off it.


Cheers, JK

[HauntFreaks.com]

well here is my WK motor plate it was set up for a CrawlMaster... but shown with an E-flite 450

http://hauntnet.com/rc/wk/motor_plate.jpg

[Doodoob]

These mounts look great but am I am missing something...

Why don't you turn the motor mount slots thru 90 degrees to 1. get the mounting bolt out from behind the spur gear and 2. get a more positive adjustment onto the spur?

If you are hitting the tranny case, just grind a little off it.


Cheers, JK
For my situation,(being stationed in S.Korea and not at home with access to all my tools and supplies) it was easier just to get the 32p gears and use Harley's template. When I get home in December I will prolly be re-fabbing these mounts for mine and my sone K2-3S's. If the tranny works well enough I might even try and use it in the comp rig I am building.

[Natedog]

OutcastRC and Doodoob, both your mounts look good! :)

[Shoei1]

I just finished my setup and i could not get my gears to mesh and im using the stock gearing is that my problem. I can post pics if needed.

[Doodoob]

Stock gearing I believe should work. On mine I could run a 96t spur and a 18t pinion. However I still changed it to 32p 72t spur and a 9t pinion. Much easier to get it to mesh especialy if you run a lathe motor.

[Harley0706]

Looks like there are some problems with JIA site right now. If anyone needs the WK plans feel free to send me a PM or an E-mail.

[Shoei1]

yes im running a lathe motor is that why its not meshing right. What it better about switching to 32 pitch

[Doodoob]

Its a larger diameter spur gear. So you shouldnt have to get the motor as close tothe tranny to get the gears to mesh. I went this route at the advice of others and it works well. Do a search in the forum and you will see a bunch of people running them.

[juststartin]

harley i sent you a pm but didnt get a reply i was wondering if i could get a copy of the template thanks alot for making this

[cammok5]

harley i sent you a pm but didnt get a reply i was wondering if i could get a copy of the template thanks alot for making this
first of all he said email him and not pm him and second its being hosted and the link is in this thred

[Harley0706]

JIA shut down his site, so the link is no good now (as of the last time I checked anyways).
I usually can get around to PM's just takes so long to go through all of them. The reason I didn't respond to yours was it didn't have an e-mail address in it. I was going to go to your profile and look for it but didn't have time at the moment.
Just make sure to include your e-mail address in your PM or actually e-mail me.

[juststartin]

Looks like there are some problems with JIA site right now. If anyone needs the WK plans feel free to send me a PM or an E-mail.

i think i see pm in there sorry about that ill send you my email thanks

[sourdojack]

For my version of clocking the motor mount I just turned the stock one like 120 degrees until one of the screw holes lined up with the other next to it. Broke out the dremel and went to town on making it fit. I'm running a GD 600 so it made it easier to get clearance on the side of the transmission. Since the only thing that comes in contact with the transmission case is a medium size gear. So with this I was able to put the output and the motor much closer together for better driveline angles. And not to mention the motor isnt hanging half way out of the chassis.

Its not real pretty but its very functional.

Here is the ground up motor plate in the stock position
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/sourdojack/Build%20Up/clockedmotormount001.jpg

Here it is clocked 120*
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/sourdojack/Build%20Up/clockedmotormount003.jpg

Here is the side of the case where I had to clearance a little bit to get ther right mesh with running a 96t and a 12t.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/sourdojack/Build%20Up/clockedmotormount004.jpg

Here it is installed on my Widow Chassis

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/sourdojack/Build%20Up/GD600installed.jpg

I ended up making two brackets on the front to hold it and a zip tie on the rear to hold the motor down to a screw on the chassis.

So my gearing is a 12t to a 45t to a 12t to a 96t - total reduction before transmission and axles - 30:1

[randy1]

wow you guys all make this look so scarry to try cause you cant go back if you dont like it

[Kraqa]

Weird.

I dont' own an RC but my buddy needed a plate liek this made so i got out the calipers and solidworks and in 10 min had the design.

I just got 12 cut.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Wheelyking.jpg

[Wicked_Jester]

you should get a vendor start and sell some!!"thumbsup"

Weird.

I dont' own an RC but my buddy needed a plate liek this made so i got out the calipers and solidworks and in 10 min had the design.

I just got 12 cut.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Wheelyking.jpg

[randy1]

hey i need one of them how can i get one

[Kraqa]

howmuch is a vendor star?

i'm not paying for a start if in the end its goign to cost me more.

i just wana get rid of these.

oh ya and what are they worth to you guys?

[randy1]

well i have one comming with a chasis im getting but dont no when it will be if this are cheep ill take one just to see how it works for me in my chasis

[randy1]

i really liked the one that had a 90 on the bottom of it looked easy to mount

[nathanlima]

the blue star is $100 and that would be the one you need.

[Brip]

Here's what I did. It clocks the motor and moves it forward. Also, the motor doesn't touch the tranny so you can rotate it as much as you want allowing any pinion gear.
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/bkpaddack/WK%20pics/P1090236.jpg
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/bkpaddack/WK%20pics/P1090235.jpg
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/bkpaddack/WK%20pics/P1090232.jpg

[EHeye]

Weird.

I dont' own an RC but my buddy needed a plate liek this made so i got out the calipers and solidworks and in 10 min had the design.

I just got 12 cut.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Wheelyking.jpg


Thanks for helping me out Kraq's! "thumbsup"

[randy1]

u got 12 of them but u never will say a price on one

[Harley0706]

u got 12 of them but u never will say a price on one

He is not a vendor and therefore can not sell them on this site. If he is suspected of trying to sell them he could be banned.

Pay the 100 bucks and then he can sell whatever he wants.