kreepy labs exposed!!! w.k. test runs

[kreepykrawler]

heres some pics of me and spydermunkee testing out a couple new products from KREEPY KRAWLER DESIGNS. we are both running w.k. based trucks, but munkee is frontin' a droop set-up & i'm running a traditional sprung.
i'll mention the new goods. a new set of CRAWLER-SPECIFIC tire inserts and the other is the WHEELY KING SPECIFIC chassis. it mounts the tranny in the stock orientation.
please check the vendor section tomorrow for details , pics and prices of the new inserts."thumbsup"

thanks!!!!
kreepykrawler

[rn38]

nice riggs!!! keep up the good work

[slvrf150fx4]

Nice Kreepy they both look great.

[kurt]

not a big fan of the steering but they don't look bad at all

[kreepykrawler]

thanks for the props"thumbsup" , slvrf150, the stickers will be here any day now. i'll send you them as soon as their in my grubby hands.
steering is still in progress. looking to have more clearance and maybe tuck it in a bit.
i cant wait to show off the chassis, but a couple more details to work out and get the fianl version done.

[Lumpmister]

Those are very cool rigs. The steering on the Baja Bug looks crazy. How is that working out for you??

[kreepykrawler]

the strreing on spydermunkees rig is also still in the development stages. we're looking at running it UP instead of DOWN as it is in the pics. also, we shortened the bolt thru it so it would stop catching on the rocks!!

[kurt]

slap a stinger+skid on the front and it would protect that steering

[freetimecrawler]

slap a stinger+skid on the front and it would protect that steering

Yeah, at a loss of breakover.

[kurt]

Yeah, at a loss of breakover.


i am talking about a front only skid. nothing underneath. It could be made from 1/16 aluminum with 1/4" ss tubing for the stinger.

[freetimecrawler]

i am talking about a front only skid. nothing underneath. It could be made from 1/16 aluminum with 1/4" ss tubing for the stinger.

Anything up front, would still mess with your breakover angle.

[kurt]

Anything up front, would still mess with your breakover angle.

maybe we are talking about two different things. i am talking about the front hoop with a skid mounted to that hoop. like a pre-runner.

nothing below the axle.

[freetimecrawler]

maybe we are talking about two different things. i am talking about the front hoop with a skid mounted to that hoop. like a pre-runner.

nothing below the axle.



It doesn't have to be below the axle. What happens when you pull up to a steep climb, and your "stinger" hits the rock first?
Is this a pre-runner? or crawler?

[kurt]

that would be approach angle then, not breakover.

that stinger will slide up easier than the spear will.

[eric113]

heres some pics of me and spydermunkee testing out a couple new products from KREEPY KRAWLER DESIGNS. we are both running w.k. based trucks, but munkee is frontin' a droop set-up & i'm running a traditional sprung.
i'll mention the new goods. a new set of CRAWLER-SPECIFIC tire inserts and the other is the WHEELY KING SPECIFIC chassis. it mounts the tranny in the stock orientation.
please check the vendor section tomorrow for details , pics and prices of the new inserts."thumbsup"

thanks!!!!
kreepykrawler

First great that you coming out wk specific products, about the chassis, why have it designed around stock config? When most people are ditching that setup ? What I mean is the stand up trans... Yeah it may work some people, but also isn't going to work for some people, I had a bulu 2 chassis which is a stand up chassis, I though it would work great here, but soon found out, I was getting my *** handed to me, switch over to laydown chassis and now can keep up the group. I also look into doing a bta steering.

[kreepykrawler]

i personally(via xperience w/ this truck)think that IN MY OPINION there is no need to lower the motor. even though it is the heaviest, highest part of the drivetrain. there is WAY MORE weight below it. most everything that is plastic has been replaced w/ metal. even the amount of weight in the wheels is more than the motor weighs. i'm sure that for some the laydown is the way to go, but not everyone wants to go thru all of the time, expense or hassle to do something like that. i'm lucky that i have $15,000 worth of metal fabricating tools. it would be easy to build pretty much anything i want. ahhh, variety is the spice of life. thats why we dont all drive the same car, wear the same clothes, etc...:roll:

i think that lowering the c.g. is maybe a little overblown of a subject, especially for the majority of the people who crawl as a hobby. not everyone is gonna compete, and besides, my chassis is just plain cool!!!
i tell you what, i'll take some video of its sidehill abilities and you can decide for yourself if 40-45 degrees of angle would be acceptable. i think it is.

[eric113]

i personally(via xperience w/ this truck)think that IN MY OPINION there is no need to lower the motor. even though it is the heaviest, highest part of the drivetrain. there is WAY MORE weight below it. most everything that is plastic has been replaced w/ metal. even the amount of weight in the wheels is more than the motor weighs. i'm sure that for some the laydown is the way to go, but not everyone wants to go thru all of the time, expense or hassle to do something like that. i'm lucky that i have $15,000 worth of metal fabricating tools. it would be easy to build pretty much anything i want. ahhh, variety is the spice of life. thats why we dont all drive the same car, wear the same clothes, etc...:roll:

i think that lowering the c.g. is maybe a little overblown of a subject, especially for the majority of the people who crawl as a hobby. not everyone is gonna compete, and besides, my chassis is just plain cool!!!
i tell you what, i'll take some video of its sidehill abilities and you can decide for yourself if 40-45 degrees of angle would be acceptable. i think it is.

Yeah post up some video of your truck going up a near verical climb and side hill abilites. Any shots of the chassis ? Though you going to show it off in a vender forum ?

[kreepykrawler]

yeah, the pics and details of the chassis will be on the vendor forum as soon as i address a couple manufacturing issues. i'm being pretty tight right now w/ pics of it. protecting myself and all... i'll get some videos posted today or tomorrow of how the truck side-hills and climbs.
as far as the steering issue is going, i picked up a servo horn w/ the two arms on it so i can run the individual steering arms up higher. hopefully it'll cure any hang up issues.
b.t.w. i'm not saying i have, or that the w.k. chassis is the best out there, just a good solid platform to get started with. lets face it, if your DEEP into crawling, you'll come up w/ your own designs, parts, ect... but for the average joe who wants to upgrade from the stock chassis to a "custom" deal, i think i have a good solution for it that doesnt require a ton of other custom mods. not everyone has as much time to burn on thinking about/working on these things. plus there is a couple other benifits of it that will be revealed soon.
i'll defend my c.g. argument with this comparison, in 1:1 crawling, and i'm talking 95% of the the rigs out there, there is no consideration for lowering the drivers seating to lower the c.g. not to mention all of the additional gear that they carry(have you ever picked up a real hi-lift jack?) almost all of the rigs still have the ability to be driven on the street. they dont all roll over, and there is a whole lot of weight above the c.g. line. i know this is a loose comparison, but really, we're not talking about a real rig, we're talking about a toy. i think sometimes we allow ourselves (me too) to get wrapped up in something that is going to have little effect for the majority of r/c drivers. newer, bigger, better. thats what we all want, but if we all spent more time actually crawling, instead of bench crawling, we'd all be a hell of alot better drivers and all of this other stuff would'nt come into play (or even matter) for the majority of us kooky truck freaks (me too:lol:)!!!

[SpyderMonkee]

HEY KREEP!

If I had known we were postin' the pic's, I'd of hit the powder room first so I could look pretty for the camera!:flipoff:

As regards the w.k.-

1. New front servo mount is longer than original and the links still need to be trimmed so the axle is clocked properly.

2. B.T.A. steering won't work with my current battery mount configuration. Raising the steering links is in the works, but at a certain point you gotta drop the rubber to the stone and get ROLLIN'!!! Back to the bench on that problem later...

3. Didn't we mention there is a "NO SKID PLATES ALLOWED!" sign on the Kreepy Lab Door. In all seriousness, some sort of skid plate will be incorporated into the rig, of what nature and when, only god knows. Actually, now that I think about it, god might not even know. I work in mysterious ways.

4. Just picked up my Mamba Max. YEEEEEEE-FRIGGGIN-HAAAAAAA!!!"thumbsup"

5. The chasis is dope. Period. End of conversation. Motor up to high my chimp rear end. Spend less time determining COG and more time with a controller in your hand and you'll quickly have a more capable crawler at the other end of your transmitter's signal. This allow's the averaga fella (me) to quickly slip out of the ugly and ungainly stock w.k. chasis, and slip into something a little more sexy and sleek.

Peace and Thanks,
Da Chimp

[kurt]

yeah, the pics and details of the chassis will be on the vendor forum as soon as i address a couple manufacturing issues. i'm being pretty tight right now w/ pics of it. protecting myself and all... i'll get some videos posted today or tomorrow of how the truck side-hills and climbs.
as far as the steering issue is going, i picked up a servo horn w/ the two arms on it so i can run the individual steering arms up higher. hopefully it'll cure any hang up issues.
b.t.w. i'm not saying i have, or that the w.k. chassis is the best out there, just a good solid platform to get started with. lets face it, if your DEEP into crawling, you'll come up w/ your own designs, parts, ect... but for the average joe who wants to upgrade from the stock chassis to a "custom" deal, i think i have a good solution for it that doesnt require a ton of other custom mods. not everyone has as much time to burn on thinking about/working on these things. plus there is a couple other benifits of it that will be revealed soon.
i'll defend my c.g. argument with this comparison, in 1:1 crawling, and i'm talking 95% of the the rigs out there, there is no consideration for lowering the drivers seating to lower the c.g. not to mention all of the additional gear that they carry(have you ever picked up a real hi-lift jack?) almost all of the rigs still have the ability to be driven on the street. they dont all roll over, and there is a whole lot of weight above the c.g. line. i know this is a loose comparison, but really, we're not talking about a real rig, we're talking about a toy. i think sometimes we allow ourselves (me too) to get wrapped up in something that is going to have little effect for the majority of r/c drivers. newer, bigger, better. thats what we all want, but if we all spent more time actually crawling, instead of bench crawling, we'd all be a hell of alot better drivers and all of this other stuff would'nt come into play (or even matter) for the majority of us kooky truck freaks (me too:lol:)!!!

got paypal waiting.....:)

[kreepykrawler]

the chassis is definately not like any of the others out there, oh wait, there ISNT any others!:-P

[Mac10]

whan you gonna put this chassis up in the vendors section?
I am interested in seeing it!

[kreepykrawler]

heres why get bent, because i can!!! i dont think i'll let that thing slow me down or cause me to make those kind of changes, mostly because I DONT THINK ITS NECESSARY.
besides that, please refer to my comment from above, not everyone worries, cares or maybe even BELIEVES that the minor amount of lower c.g. gain doesnt outway the amount of other modifications needed to lower the motor what, three quarters, maybe an inch. drive more, you'll become better and you wont think so much if your truck can sidehill at 42 degrees, or ONLY a mere 39degrees!?!?

[kreepykrawler]

if you arent interested in what i have, that is the power of being a consumer, dont buy it. your giving me "feedback" on a product that doesnt technically even exist yet. i'll let a few get on the market and see what ACTUAL OWNERS of it say, after they actually HAVE ONE! i'm sure henry ford had a mile long list of why people didnt think his concept of mass manufacturing "motor cars"would work. i dont feel I'M the one w/ the attitude. you are entitled to your opinion, as am i. if what i have to offer doesnt suit your needs, then by all means i would'nt expect you to buy it. it doesnt sound like you would anyway because you are looking for a completely different chassis that orients the motor/tranny in a different way or uses a different tranny set up altogether. no one else has a w.k. specific chassis, that uses the upright motor/tranny. if you bought a bender, etc.. you would have to use a different tranny or re-drill the chassis, make/buy a motor/tranny mount and several other minor things to make it happen. there are currently many chassis' on the market that will suit your needs. bender, jj, gmade and a ton of others are there for you right now. and for those who wish to continue/are happy the upright w.k. set up, this will be a great alternative for them. once again, this will fit the needs of MOST, not ALL.

i resent that i'm being attacked. i havent caused you any problem. what someone else has to say about how THEY feel is o.k. by me, but it was'nt MY comment that your pissed about.
your suggestion was that i change my entire design. i dont feel that i need to do that. i'm happy with what i've come up with. perhaps you dont understand whats involved w/ designing something such as this. not even counting the amount of manhours i have put into this item, literally hundreds of hours to get something like this just right. i cant even count the number of sketches, mock-ups, redesigns, re mock-ups, testing, finding a materials supplier, a manufacturer, packaging, vendor fees and a slew of other minor and major things that are involved in putting out something as silly as a chassis for a toy truck. oh, lets not forget about the tools, tooling, consumables and packaging, header cards, package design, all of this w/ the hope that i might make a few bucks to recoup a little of the cash that i've sunk into this. i would say i'm as passionate about this as anyone else and once again lets remember that this is a HOBBY/PASSION and its about having fun. you asked a question as to why i did things the way i did. i answered you in what i felt was a non-threatening way. i like to use a light-hearted way of giving a informed, funny(i hope) answer to all, and believe it or not, i'm a pretty nice guy, so is spydermunkee. we all have to have a thick skin when you paruse on-line forums because, well, its easy to say something mean or hurtful thru a keyboard. if i offended you, i dont know what or why, but i do apologize. i would think that someone w/ a username that you use would appreciate a good qwip. but it feels to me that your looking to pick a fight, and i will not feed into that. i'm probably ALOT older than most of the users here, so i'm trying to be the responsible adult here and take the high road.if you have been offended by something that a friend of mine said, well p.m. him and have it out w/ him, not on my thread that i started to inform, not to flame. he's passionate about what i have as much as you are not about it.

[Tanis]

Notice in post #16, Kreepy states that not everybody is into competing, and this chassis isn't made just for people who compete. Some people crawl just for fun :shock: , and he designed a chassis that will work with the stock configuration of the tranny, so that if a person wants to upgrade from the stock one, to a nicer chassis, they can, as nobody else makes one.;-) Everybody is entitled to build their truck the way they want, and the bottom line is to have fun with it. Down the road, he may very well design another chassis geared more toward people who compete, who knows, don't bash him for doing something nobody else is doing, building a cool chassis.

[kreepykrawler]

i didnt say that it is unimportant, i said that it is not a big deal to MOST people. ENOUGH ABOUT IT ALREADY!! this thread is completely off-topic, and i di not want to carry this on any longer. the chassis is not for all, but a great (and the only) alternative for people who wish to keep the stock set up, isnt that good enough of an answer for you? :?:

[kreepykrawler]

thank you tanis, you the man!
:lol: :-P :shock: :-( 8) :!: :!: :!:

not only that, but WHO SAYS that it CANT be set up w/ a side-mount tranny? damn!

[wkcrawler4me]

Well I can't wait till this comes out. I really want one. "thumbsup" I haven't even seen it and yet I want one. Anything could be cooler than stock. I may have missed it but any idea of a price. Under 100 bucks? Good luck with everything and I hope this gets released.

[eric113]

[SIZE=6]not only that, but WHO SAYS that it CANT be set up w/ a side-mount tranny? damn!
Huh ?

[kreepykrawler]

not too sure on the exact price, but under $100.00 for sure. and you my friend, are why i designed this, something OTHER than the stock one is a MASSIVE improvement!!! not to knock h.p.i. and i know it sounds like i am, but if they used a custom style of chassis, their price-point would be much higher.

[wkcrawler4me]

^^Agree and i can't wait. Timeframe?

[getbent]

I actually think it's great that someone such as yourself is going to offer a WK specific chassis that will cater to the builder that just wants to have fun. Yours and spydermonkeys replies to post #15 just caught me wrong. They just sounded totally unopen to suggestion or questions of your design. I appologise and will edit my previous posts to clear up your thread.;-)

[Tanis]

I appologise and will edit my previous posts to clear up your thread.;-)That's a class act there, a lot of people on this site could learn a thing or two from this man.8)

[Red Rockcrawler]

Hey kreep your coming to yakima right? So we can look over each others rigs? I got alot of idea's that I can share with you.

[kreepykrawler]

i totally agree tanis, thanks g.b. for that. much respect to you and i'll tell spydermunkee to chill a bit. actually, i'm sure he'll read this, so chill dude!!!:-P problem solved like grown-ups, SWEET!!!"thumbsup"

redrock, yes, me and the munkee will be there for sure, plus my preggers wife. shes gonna LOVE the heat!!!!!!

[Red Rockcrawler]

Sweet can't wait to meet you and pick each others brain. I'm hoping my droop tuber does well.

[kreepykrawler]

i'm pretty impressed w/ the droop set up. spydermunkees(damn, that takes a long time to type!) droop is so cool to watch. i'm thinking about going w/ the same.

[Big Mike]

So what's the big deal about a chassis design that incorporates the stock WK tranny?

The WK has hit the market hard and is definitely a player now. The axles are a good starting point.

But you have to admit, the stock WK chassis is about as worthless as they come for a crawler.

Marketing a chassis for these WK owners who are younger and/or do not have access to tools or the skills to use them properly makes perfect sense to me. It can only help crawling grow.

Kreep - Good Luck w/ this project...

[ridgewalker]

I have read this whole thread. I think it's crazy that anyone should bash someone for building something that isn't for them.If everyone had the same idea's this would be a boring hobby.I have noticed that some r/cer's are very narrow minded,there way is the right way and thats that.New idea's are are everywhere.I have been building some chassis that will accept stock w/k everything just add link's and a longer steering rod,the chassis is 14'' long,many shock mounting location's as well as link mounts.With my chassis and a reverse mounted motor and the batt on the front links i do not have a problem being top heavy.I to hope to offer a chassis for the w/k,need my vendor star,and there are many others beside the members here that have a W/K.Different strokes for different folks"thumbsup"Faliure must happen for progress to be made,can't have one with out the other.

[kreepykrawler]

thanks for the support. :lol:

[SpyderMonkee]

well, well, well,

I certainly didn't intend to inflame anyone with my tounge and cheek (no pun intended) comments. If I have offended, I offer my most sincere apologies. So, the BTA steering comment got under MY skin a bit, and I lost 5 hours last night after my daughter was fast asleep and completely redesigned the whole front end. Pic's will be up tonight of this AWESOME, EASY, BTA steering setup using the standard Kreepy Front Servo Mount. Till next we meet - Da Chimp

[Tanis]

Sweet, I know there is at least 1 person who can't wait to check it out at the comp."thumbsup" We are building his WK this weekend to be ready for the comp.

[wkcrawler4me]

I'm really looking foward to this chassis. I'm in real need of one better than stock. Try everything to make it work but its still stock quality, I want better. What will you need to make this chassis work? Links, mounts, different hardware? What should I excpect to have to get. I have bottom links now but stock uppers. Will that work, or will I need something different?
P.S. When is this going to be avalible?

[kreepykrawler]

i'm looking at about 3 or 4 weeks til i'll have them available, depending on the manufacturer. i'm making them by hand (prototypes) and its do-able to sell them that way, but i'll (and you'll) get a better, consistant product with a mfgr. if you have streched out your w.b. then what you have will work. it might work w/ the stock upper link, but you will need to relocate the servo to the axle. you will need to make a tray for the electronics but i made them out of the stock w.k. battery box. also, body mounting can be done in a couple different ways. there will be a need for a couple of different screws and such, but most, if not all of it will be included. i'll also do a link to a vendor page that will show how/where/why to assemble the truck.

[wkcrawler4me]

very cool i already have my servo relocated. and i'm stretched a little with stock upper links. My wheelbase is at 10 in. Did I read that your going to have axle mounts for the servos avalible as well?

[slvrf150fx4]

all i know is that I’m fairly new to crawlers and Kreepy has been tons of help to me. I have done business with him and he is a stand up person with some great products. I can’t wait till the new chassis is done because im going to get one. I thank you Kreepy for all the help. Don’t let anyone get you down.

[bigflex]

that would be approach angle then, not breakover.

that stinger will slide up easier than the spear will.


yeah it would be called approach angle not break over. breakover has to do with belly clearance between the axles."thumbsup"

[todd1803]

Can't wait to see what you guys are bringing to RimRock, and to meet you Mr. Monkee-Boy :lol:

We've got a few members with a lot of comp experience that should be able to give you some really good feedback - Tanis, HotWheels000, I B Racin, Grover, etc.

Stick with it guys, and don't be phased by some people who think they know it all. There's a lot of people on this board with tons of knowledge and insight to share. Unfortunately there is are also a lot of people who spend too much time on line racking up post counts, and not enough time building and crawling. We just call them "web-wheelers" :lol:

[kreepykrawler]

yes, servo/link mount and a rear upper link mount. i would go w/ links at 112m.m. (tops can be 0-10m.m. shorter) and that should put you right at 12 1/2". it will make a HUGE difference in it wanting to flip.
me and spyder-FUNkee are rollin' out together from up north here in the fine city of marysville. hope theres a wheelin' trip still goin on. what up chimpy-pimpy? are you reading this right now?
one thing i know for sure that we'll be bringing is beer. oh and attitude. the good kind though.:badger: it was time for the happy badger/shroom. i feel better.

[blakeski]

new chassis... im stoked i just got my W.K. like 3 days ago and i want a new chassis...lol... i have some cool stuff done and it goes fairley well... i got mine from broadway hobby and i bought all the goodies with it... beadlocks,tires,links,65 motor, 96/15 gears,well thats about it... but by the looks of it im pumped to get one of these things,... will they only be available online..?

[Natedog]

Kreeepykrawler,

Looking forward to checking out your chassis when it's available. :)