the new kyosho rock force.

[jeff jenkins]

kyosho is coming out with a new rock crawler called the rock force.. they have pics online from the 2007 tokyo hobby show..http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/hsphoto/SANY0047.JPG

[ThinkTank]

kyosho is coming out with a new rock crawler called the rock force.. they have pics online from the 2007 tokyo hobby show..http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/hsphoto/SANY0047.JPG

Link?
I checked and found nothing.

[jeff jenkins]

all i saw was the pic that i posted .. and a buddy of mine is a sponsered racer from them and when we were at work he was talking to the kyosho team manager and he said they were coming out with a rock crawler..


http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/hsphoto/prs-1.html"thumbsup"

[EGRESSor]

http://www.rc-japan.de/BigPics/kyoCrawler_2.jpg
http://www.rc-japan.de/BigPics/kyoCrawler_3.jpg
http://www.rc-japan.de/BigPics/kyoCrawler.jpg

[crawl rookie]

DAMN!!! thats one purty bulletproof crawler right there!8)
defenetly intrested in building a twin/force crawler

Its good to see that the big brands like kyoscho are jumping in the RCC scene
"thumbsup"
Like it

[Soya]

That's disturbingly nice"thumbsup"

[Rockpiledriver]

Already being discussed here
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88133

[_BEN_]

Hopefully this post will not turn into a steaming pile like the other one.

If the Rock Force does hit the U.S. market it will be some good times for the rc crawlers. I may even buy one. Or atlest get a set of axles to play with.

http://a1.vox.com/6a00c2252a7859604a00e398b202c10004-pi
http://a0.vox.com/6a00c2252a7859604a00e398b203380005-pi
http://a2.vox.com/6a00c2252a7859604a00e398b202c20004-pi
I want a set of those servo and a set of those link mounts!

[Reflection]

Hopefully this post will not turn into a steaming pile like the other one.


I cleaned it up and deleted all the BS post"thumbsup"



I'm VERY happy to see this rig. I want one....BAD!

I'd like to see it up close and see what it'll handle.8)

[Blaze]

sweet this is very exciting I hope all the big RC manufacturers start to notice rock crawling.

[looneybin]

i think its pretty cool. the only grip i see is that the shock ends are on ballstuds so than can pop off. needs more secure mount like a rod end.

[_BEN_]

I'd like to see it up close and see what it'll handle.8)

Yeah really!

I think that the lower links should have been mounted inside the chassis like this setup here.
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83947


How much do you think it will cost to get a set of those servo mounts made?

[Reflection]

i think its pretty cool. the only grip i see is that the shock ends are on ballstuds so than can pop off. needs more secure mount like a rod end.


Those are the same mounts the Mad and Twin Force use. I've run that style for years without a problem. Honestly,I've had many of the rod end style on the bottom of the shock wear out or break,the tops are still good."thumbsup"

My super is currently running CEN piggybacks but until these,I've always run the stock Twin shocks. Probably go back to them when I rebuild it this winter.

[Bart bender]

Three link front with servo in the chassis? There is a hawse fairlead in the rear, possibly a winch? Looks like there is a couple servos inboard too. One for the front winch? THose custom axles have built in skidplates too, nice touch. The lower links really do need to be inboard. Thats kinda the point of boat side chassis for clearance.

I second Raptorman on the ball studs. Never had a problem with that end of my shocks yet.

[Reflection]

Three link front with servo in the chassis? There is a hawse fairlead in the rear, possibly a winch? Looks like there is a couple servos inboard too. One for the front winch? THose custom axles have built in skidplates too, nice touch. The lower links really do need to be inboard. Thats kinda the point of boat side chassis for clearance.

I second Raptorman on the ball studs. Never had a problem with that end of my shocks yet.

There's a 2 speed tranny in there as well"thumbsup"

[Thorsteenster]

The steering servo looks a little under-sized.

[Reflection]

The steering servo looks a little under-sized.

Looks like a 1:10 scale servo. I run 200 oz. 1:10 scale servo's(Airtronics 359's) on my Twin and they work nicely.

It's probably all the bulletproofness around the servo thats throwing your eye off:lol:

[Bart bender]

Little better pic of the front. Sorry bout the size. You can see the details better. Geuss it isn't an inboard servo. Like the 3 link though. I see a hawse fairlead in there too;-)

http://images.onesite.com/webmaster.rcmate.org/tokyo_hobby_show_07/large/p1020557.jpg

[_BEN_]

The more I look at those servo mounts the more they look like some generic part. Like a hose clamp or something.

Is there anything that looks like those on the market...? :?

Found this:
http://www.myhelicopters.com/rc/Tail-Servo-Mount-TREX-450X-XL
http://www.trextuning.com/heliupservomounts.php
http://h1071671.hobbyshopnow.com/products/description.asp?prod=MHETX4024SE

I doubt the tail boom is 1" in diameter though.

This one might work with some dermiling.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXNW31&P=7

[elbo]

i have a question, why are the upper links in the rear not centered in the mount? is the pumpkin offset?

[aggressivellc]

The string coming from the chassis looks as if its conected to the axle if it is a winch its probably to preload the suspension

[_BEN_]

I have a question, why are the upper links in the rear not centered in the mount? is the pumpkin offset?

Yeah the pumpkin is offset like the original TF axles.

[Bart bender]

The string coming from the chassis looks as if its conected to the axle if it is a winch its probably to preload the suspension
Yah It loads the suspension, but it lowers your CG when asending and desending.

[rbgerrish]

Got off the phone with Kyosho- the hinted at a summer release... We'll see!

[whoodie]

Wow, summers over, guess that makes it summer 08. Hmm.

[Crawler374]

^^ i was about to say the same thing! i think the diff is offset because of the servohttp://offcamber4wd.org/forum/Smileys/default/dontknow.gif (javascript:void(0);)

[Reflection]

^^ i was about to say the same thing! i think the diff is offset because of the servohttp://offcamber4wd.org/forum/Smileys/default/dontknow.gif (javascript:void(0);)


NOPE.The diff is off set JUST LIKE THE TWIN FORCE. If I was guessing,it'll still use the same bombproof parts. It's not offset because of the servo. It's off set because thats what works with the currect internals. Will it be the same when it's released?


HMMMMM,I wonder?:-P

[Bart bender]

It would be sweet if they would set the center section clear off to one side like all the 1:1 comp buggies.

[dirk379]

i want one

[levi steele]

its so beautiful:cry:"thumbsup" i might just have to get one

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

I will definitly have one when they come out "thumbsup"

[YAKIMA RC RACER]

i cant wait for this comes out the wife wants it

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Man I only wish It was out before I bought my ax-10

[Tad]

Any info if this is still coming out?

[CRAWLER DESIGN WORKS]

Any info if this is still coming out?
yep, in 2008 hopefully "thumbsup"

[bretkissick]

It's 2008 now "thumbsup"

[dirk379]

Looks like it would be fun to build

[mazdaparts]

I see 2 servos in the rear mounted inboard as well as the steering servo. Someone mentioned 2 speed, could it also have a dig setup? Looks like a decent comp crawler out of the box. Might need some tweaking, but I would expect to see some at the comps. Has Kyosho contacted any of the national winners about a sponsored ride?

[CRAWLER DESIGN WORKS]

I see 2 servos in the rear mounted inboard as well as the steering servo. Someone mentioned 2 speed, could it also have a dig setup? Looks like a decent comp crawler out of the box. Might need some tweaking, but I would expect to see some at the comps. Has Kyosho contacted any of the national winners about a sponsored ride?

i think the 2 servos are winch's, to winch the front down or the rear down.

[alanpineapple]

I want one noooooowwwwwwww !!!!

[CRAWLER DESIGN WORKS]

I talked to kyosho and they said it is still a concept car.so I dont think it will be released soon.

[alanpineapple]

I talked to kyosho and they said it is still a concept car.so I dont think it will be released soon.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
please good!!! give me a signal!

LOL

well, before this dramatical act, lets wait a little bit more.

[rcstealth]

that is a very very nice crawler i wish i had it lol.:lol:

[Reflection]

that is a very very nice crawler i wish i had it lol.:lol:


Your not the only one.

[Bart bender]

John with RCP Tracks told me this was going to be released from Japan in Sept/Oct. So it may hit the States by Christmas?"thumbsup"

[mactech]

:shock::shock:
http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=248335

[Bart bender]

http://www.rccaraction.com//Media/MediaManager/Kyosho%20Rock.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5782/kyosho22tq2.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2324/kyosho223xk7.jpg
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/3383/kyosho225kz0.jpg

[BitHed]

...apparently there will be more local info on this after the show this weekend in Shizuoka...its Thursday local time here and I think industry people are Thursday Friday and then Joe Public Saturday Sunday...

[Reflection]

It's looking good so far. I can't wait to see what they come up with.

Wonder what the tires compound is like?????

[Bart bender]

...apparently there will be more local info on this after the show this weekend in Shizuoka...its Thursday local time here and I think industry people are Thursday Friday and then Joe Public Saturday Sunday...

Will you be going? If you do could ou take some pics and share them"thumbsup"

umhhh???? i dont know, :roll:

:flipoff::flipoff:Ummhhhh:flipoff::flipoff:

[BitHed]

Will you be going?

...i cant go to the Shizuoka show because it is just too far away...There are a couple of Tokyo based shows later in the year that i usually go to though...

...HPI is down that way too and when i went down to see them it cost about 200 USD return :(

Basically the Shizuoka Show is ALL Tamiya with a little bit of Kyosho thrown in and some Yokomo et al scattered about...You gotta remember that Tamiya is almost a religion here in Japan :D But I am sure the usual sites will have pictures up over the next few days...

[RCMFMaxxMan]

woah woah woah! is that a worm drive diff!? wow if thats so then that will be awesome to see a mass production worm drive axle! and also I see a servo actuating something in the diff housing. maybe a diff lock/unlock? an the body is cool "thumbsup"

[rcclodhead]

I want one to

[badgravity]

http://www.kyosho.de/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=18984&category_id=49a7cb46de671d38a6d8d008cded3c31
http://www.rceasy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/3098401.jpg
:mrgreen:

[Bart bender]

Didn't RC or Rock Crawling all together begin in the States? Why are we always last to get this stuff here. I'll take two.
http://www.kyosho.de/shop_image/product/1a716f8b28e84dcc9bfda01c6e70ed1d.jpg
http://www.kyosho.de/shop_image/product/00988b25de36940c61c97d558c3f235b.jpg
http://www.kyosho.de/shop_image/product/664ca1b523625fcff668fe859c1c34c6.jpg

[CRAWLER DESIGN WORKS]

Not diggin the lower link mounts

[Bart bender]

Yah, all the stuff under the tubes needs to be rounded or eliminated all together. Too many hangers. The pig looks good though.

[whoodie]

I'm not crazy about the panhard bar. Do you see the zip-tie axle travel limiter?

[ThinkTank]

Didn't RC or Rock Crawling all together begin in the States? Why are we always last to get this stuff here. I'll take two.


IIRC, the Aussies were the first to start.


Not diggin the lower link mounts

I agree about the anchors.
Hopefully Kyosho will refine it before it hits the states.


I'm not crazy about the panhard bar. Do you see the zip-tie axle travel limiter?

The panhard looks removeable.

[Reflection]

Not diggin the lower link mounts

Yah, all the stuff under the tubes needs to be rounded or eliminated all together. Too many hangers. The pig looks good though.

IMHO,I think the diff should stay the same. Then,use the same tubes or same style tubes from thye Mad/Twin Force. That would be ALLOT better and snag rocks less.


The panhard looks removeable.

Anythings removable.:lol: The panhard locates the axle laterally. Triangulated links would let you remove the panhard.

Personally,I like the panhard set up. I'm VERY anxious to try one.

[dave56bug]

Cool video from the Kyosho website link posted above

http://www.kyosho.de/download.php?dir=video&file=rockforce.wmv

shows the dig being used at one point, very cool

Dave

[Grizzly4x4]

From the vid it looks like the suspension design is much better than an AX-10. It looks super stable and I didn't see any torque twist.

[Reflection]

Nothing to do with the fact that I'm a die hard Kyosho guy.....I'm impressed with them and the research they've done. Looks solid.

[Just Zach]

Nothing to do with the fact that I'm a die hard Kyosho guy.....I'm impressed with them and the research they've done. Looks solid.

I'd say with a good set of tires it would work great.

[TwistedXT]

Quoted from rccaraction Oct 2008
"Like Crawling, the info has come in slowly, but we have confirmed that the Rock Force is a 2.2 crawler that uses a worm-drive setup in the axles, which does two things for the truck; it allows the use of smaller gears for more ground clearence, and the truck wont roll when off the throttle. The shiftable transmission offers read drive disconnect and rear drive lock functions, and according to Kyosho, they can be combined depending on the radio setup. The motor is mounted as low as possible in the chassis. It comes geared at 123.33:1 but has a range of 46.8:1 to 161.25:1, which should be plenty of torque to get over any obsticle. Radio gear and motor choice is up to you, and it can be set up for 2 or 4 wheel steering"

so, to break it down:
Worm gear driven axles - friggin sweet! ive been waiting for this style axle for some time now!
factory dig steup with the ability to lock the rear while preforming a dig
aluminum knuckles
high clearence axles
aluminum chassis
battery is already mounted over the front axle on the chassis...

ill take 2 please!

www.kyoshoamerica.com (no info on the rock force yet)

[MattH]

Check out www.rccaraction.com (http://www.rccaraction.com) and check out the RCNet vid in the upper right hand corner and go to www.rccaraction.com/kyoshoprototype (http://www.rccaraction.com/kyoshoprototype) for new images

[Nova's Ark]

:shock: I want one. It looks like Kyosho did their homework"thumbsup". When can we buy one though?

[Bart bender]

Nice rig. This is going to be MY entry to 2.2"thumbsup"

http://www.rccaraction.com/Media/News/8_4.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/Media/News/6_3.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/Media/News/7_7.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/Media/News/1_15.jpg
Now what about that SUPER!!!!????

[ManxCrawler]

Cool video from the Kyosho website link posted above

http://www.kyosho.de/download.php?dir=video&file=rockforce.wmv

shows the dig being used at one point, very cool

Dave
...and for those of us fortunate to be using Linux... http://www.kyosho.de/download.php?dir=video&file=rockforce.mov

Kev

[dezmoon]

any release dates on this yet????

[genki]

The release date here in Japan is the 26th November so it should hit stores here about the 28th. I believe the USA is sometime early December.

[dezmoon]

The release date here in Japan is the 26th November so it should hit stores here about the 28th. I believe the USA is sometime early December.

thanx,,just in time for xmas,,,is it a kit or rtr??

[genki]

It is just a kit and requires all the usual electronics etc to be purchased seperately. For the price they are charging here in Japan you would think it was a ready set ..... cheaper to buy it from the USA :(

[dezmoon]

It is just a kit and requires all the usual electronics etc to be purchased seperately. For the price they are charging here in Japan you would think it was a ready set ..... cheaper to buy it from the USA :(
oh good,,im glad its a kit,,and not ready to run,,do you know if the kit comes with the dig option parts or are they sold seperately?
whats the msrp on this thing??

[genki]

The dig unit looks like it is an option (Part # No.RFW001) sold seperately, as yet no price on this.

Kyosho America have the msrp at USD$ 449.99

[dezmoon]

The dig unit looks like it is an option (Part # No.RFW001) sold seperately, as yet no price on this.

Kyosho America have the msrp at USD$ 449.99
awesome,,,thanks for the info.....i know what im gettin my self for xmas,,plus 1 dig

[shimey]

Nothing to do with the fact that I'm a die hard Kyosho guy.....I'm impressed with them and the research they've done. Looks solid.

Amen. I've been a little disappointed in the big K of late. (Also a mini-z guy) But this is good. Beddy, beddy good.

[dkingston]

The Rock Force will be here soon enough!

[Bart bender]

Are you a team guy with some inside info for us? I would like to no if it will be before Christmas or April next year when the buzz is gone.

This is what I asked Kyosho America,

Comments:
Just wondering when the 2.2 Rock Force was due to release in the US?Also is the Super Class Rock Force still in the works. I am a TwinForce based Crawler guy, and am curious if the rumors are true for aearly December release. Thanks for any info.

This is the reply sent me,

Early Dec.

Thanks for all the info:(
Bryan Norris
Customer Service/Technical Dept
KYOSHO AMERICA 20322
Valencia CirLake Forest, CA 92630-8158
Phone: 1-800-716-4518

[dkingston]

Are you a team guy with some inside info for us? I would like to no if it will be before Christmas or April next year when the buzz is gone.

This is what I asked Kyosho America,

Comments:
Just wondering when the 2.2 Rock Force was due to release in the US?Also is the Super Class Rock Force still in the works. I am a TwinForce based Crawler guy, and am curious if the rumors are true for aearly December release. Thanks for any info.

This is the reply sent me,

Early Dec.

Thanks for all the info:(
Bryan Norris
Customer Service/Technical Dept
KYOSHO AMERICA 20322
Valencia CirLake Forest, CA 92630-8158
Phone: 1-800-716-4518

Yes, I am a team guy.

Yes, they will be here VERY soon.

Yes, I would be it will be way before Christmas (good lord willing and Customs doesn't have a fit).

Early December is when they should be available, either at distributors or hopefully all the way to your favorite hobby retailer!


- David

[dezmoon]

Yes, I am a team guy.

Yes, they will be here VERY soon.

Yes, I would be it will be way before Christmas (good lord willing and Customs doesn't have a fit).

Early December is when they should be available, either at distributors or hopefully all the way to your favorite hobby retailer!


- David
i cant wait,,,,,thanx for the good news

[Neeley]

Hi. My first post here.

Just wanted to say the Rock Force is already available here in the UK. It's top of my first crawler list for Xmas. http://www.modelsport.co.uk/?CallFunction=ShowSpecification&ItemID=31228

[bigdodge88]

Hi. My first post here.

Just wanted to say the Rock Force is already available here in the UK. It's top of my first crawler list for Xmas. http://www.modelsport.co.uk/?CallFunction=ShowSpecification&ItemID=31228

Then I'll be the first to say welcome to the board, alot of cool people on here. Looks like it could be a pretty good crawler. Never to many choices."thumbsup"

[dirk379]

Searching the bay and came across this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/KYOSHO-1-10-RC-EP-4WD-ROCK-FORCE-2-2-SUZUKI-JIMMY-KIT_W0QQitemZ220312152370QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio_ Control_Vehicles?hash=item220312152370&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

[goobs]

will the dig setup be available when there out cuz i work at a H.S. and talked to a guy at kyosho and he said that the high speed worm gears and dig stuff come with it thats why it cost so much, but talked to another one yesterday and he said that they're option parts. anyways im gonna need it when it comes so i can be cool.
so if you know would u please share.

[genki]

The dig and high speed gear as far as i know are optional parts (when translating the Kyosho Japan page and word from my supplier). i placed an order for the digs during the week so it looks like they will be available when the Rock Force comes out...so you shouldn't have to wait. The Dig part # is RFW001 and the high speed gear set part # is RFW002. Hope that helps

[dkingston]

My understanding is that the high speed gear comes with it and the dig linkage is optional. Kyosho America will have them at the same time as the Trucks.

It is expensive because of the materials used and the extensive engineering that goes into every Kyosho product. This crawler will be awfully nice right out of the box.

[4XADICT]

It`s expensive because it`s Kyosho. They do make nice stuff though . I have my eyes on a set of those axles .

[wrightcs77]

Searching the bay and came across this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/KYOSHO-1-10-RC-EP-4WD-ROCK-FORCE-2-2-SUZUKI-JIMMY-KIT_W0QQitemZ220312152370QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio_ Control_Vehicles?hash=item220312152370&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Using the "Live" rebate, you can get it for $337.50 shipped. Not a bad price at all.

[dkingston]

Good point, Mr Wright! Can I assume you will be sporting a Kyosho crawler soon?

[goobs]

Good point, Mr Wright! Can I assume you will be sporting a Kyosho crawler soon?

i will be!
also im not a big fan of the 3-link up front and was looking at vid and the rear and it looks like the rear 4-link axle braket has a place to cut out for the rear servo for the dig if this is true why cant yall make one for the front. if so do yall plan to make a braket for the front for a 4-link setup?
i sure hope so cuz a triangulated 4-link will rape a 3-link setup anyday.

also whats the live rebate?

[dkingston]

i will be!
also im not a big fan of the 3-link up front and was looking at vid and the rear and it looks like the rear 4-link axle braket has a place to cut out for the rear servo for the dig if this is true why cant yall make one for the front. if so do yall plan to make a braket for the front for a 4-link setup?
i sure hope so cuz a triangulated 4-link will rape a 3-link setup anyday.

also whats the live rebate?

Well, yours is the first response claiming that a 4 link would be that much better! Time will tell I guess...

It appears that you might be able to do the 4 link up front if you really wanted. I will be able to tell you more in a week or so when I have one to take detailed pictures of.

I truly believe that the combination of the 3 link and the gear reduction in the axle will make for a truly planted rig. Again, time will tell ;)

[goobs]

yeah well i guess its just a personal thing but if 3 link rigs were so much better then there would be more in rc and 1:1.

anyways im gonna try it stock, then start modifying.

[chrisjlittle]

I'm not gonna say one's better than the other, but I like the 3 link on the front of my super. It's different, but that's not necessarily bad. Don't trash talk until you've tried it.

[dkingston]

I don't think he was necessarily "trashing" it, just expressing an opinion :)

[goobs]

cant wait mine's gonna be here wed. or thur.
sweet!

[dave56bug]

I've ordered mine as well, hopefully here this week.

[dkingston]

cant wait mine's gonna be here wed. or thur.
sweet!

I've ordered mine as well, hopefully here this week.

"thumbsup" "thumbsup" "thumbsup" "thumbsup" "thumbsup"

[Kamikaze]

yeah well i guess its just a personal thing but if 3 link rigs were so much better then there would be more in rc and 1:1.

anyways im gonna try it stock, then start modifying.


Well, these are comp trucks. How many comp trucks are running 3 links?

[blue-beard]

i will be!

i sure hope so cuz a triangulated 4-link will rape a 3-link setup anyday.



Really? :roll: Have some facts to back that up? They both have good and bad things about how they function. ;-)

yeah well i guess its just a personal thing but if 3 link rigs were so much better then there would be more in rc and 1:1.

Look at 1:1 comp crawlers. A good number of them are running 3 link plus panhard due to ease of packaging and great performance.

I'm not saying triangulate 4 links suck, I'm just saying 3 link plus panhard can be a great setup too.

[John]

The Rock Force started shipping to dealers here in the US yesterday. The rear disconnects are shipping separately and should be here in the US sometime next week.

I received one from overseas awhile back. I've had some time to design and build a new tube chassis for it and will share some pics tomorrow.

[Bart bender]

John, how could you not snap some pics of that thing for us. I've seen all the press picks that Kyosho released but NONE show the trany and such.

As for 3 links vs 4 links. I don't see too many comp buggy's running anything but 3 links. Light rigs work well with 3 links and the heavy guys need 4 links for all the gurth side loading the links

[goobs]

well maybe i should clarify a little better. i dont have aproblem with a 3-link as long as it has axle mounted steering so you dont get..... i forgot what its called, but the messed up steering.

on real comp buggies that do run a 3-link they have full hydro steering. my fav.- shannon cambell runs it and kicks ass so i guess it all depends. kyosho did the right thing by making the panhard bar level at ride height but again its a personal thing im kinda ocd about evenness and equalness - i guess you could say i like symetrical things. like t-n-a!:ror:

[danielk]

mine will be here with goobs' truck.

[John]

John, how could you not snap some pics of that thing for us. I've seen all the press picks that Kyosho released but NONE show the trany and such.


Sorry, in order to get mine, I wasn't allowed to post pics until tomorrow. Tomorrow I can post up pics of whatever you want.

[genki]

If memory serves me correct the pics I have seen there is no "tranny" as such just a simple spur gear set up (motor mount like a touring car). All the ratio is in the worm gears but hopefully the pics John puts up can clarify this!

[Reflection]

Sorry, in order to get mine, I wasn't allowed to post pics or info until tomorrow. Tomorrow I can post up pics of whatever you want.

I'm going to be right here in this thread until then.:lol::lol::lol:

Can't wait to see more John.8)

[John]

If memory serves me correct the pics I have seen there is no "tranny" as such just a simple spur gear set up (motor mount like a touring car). All the ratio is in the worm gears but hopefully the pics John puts up can clarify this!

Yes, no tranny. Spur gear and motor. Tons of gear reduction in the axles. A good set up for brushed motors would be somewhere in the 19 ~ 23 turn range. To give you an idea of the gear reduction, I tried a 55 turn Orion prototype crawler motor and the truck barely moved.

The quality of the kit is top notch, as you would expect with most Kyosho products and with tons of BEEF.

[MuddKnuckle]

John thanks for the motor info I was going to stuff a 30t in mine. Any way mine is sitting in the post office so tomorrow can't come soon enough for me.:shock:

[dkingston]

I am glad to see some excitement build for this truck. It looks like several people here should have them by the weekend. Should be some good reading in this thread soon!


- David

[blue-beard]

well maybe i should clarify a little better. i dont have aproblem with a 3-link as long as it has axle mounted steering so you dont get..... i forgot what its called, but the messed up steering.

on real comp buggies that do run a 3-link they have full hydro steering. my fav.- shannon cambell runs it and kicks ass so i guess it all depends. kyosho did the right thing by making the panhard bar level at ride height but again its a personal thing im kinda ocd about evenness and equalness - i guess you could say i like symetrical things. like t-n-a!:ror:
I think bumpsteer is the word you are searching for. Actually a 3 link plus panhard is the best way to minimize bumpsteer on a rig that runs a steering box on the frame as it lets the axle travel in the same arc as the draglink. Running a triangulated 4 link on a rig with a frame mounted steering box will lead to bumpsteer because the links only let the suspension move in up and down while the draglink wants to go in an arc. This causes the draglink to move the steering arm every time the suspension goes up and down.
For full hydro you won't get bumpsteer because the steering is mounted on the axle so the draglink doesn't move independently of the axle.

[miniwheeler]

I didnt join the AX-10 army, nor did I jump on the Berg bandwagon. But I cant wait to join the Kyosho Club"thumbsup"

[dezmoon]

ohh man,,the wait is the only thing killing me,,,,,,its ordered ,,should be any day....

[John]

John thanks for the motor info I was going to stuff a 30t in mine. Any way mine is sitting in the post office so tomorrow can't come soon enough for me.:shock:

If you have the 30T, I would at least try it and post how it worked for you. In the next few weeks your going to see all kinds of different motor combinations and set ups. It would be benificial to see the results from a variety of different turn motors.

[dave56bug]

Interesting, so my novak brushless crawler motor might be too slow. Will post info once my kit arrives.

[wallaz]

Does anyone know the part number for the dig unit that is to be sold seperately?

I've got on on order here in the UK.....can't wait..


...edit:- found it, Part # No.RFW001

[dezmoon]

Interesting, so my novak brushless crawler motor might be too slow. Will post info once my kit arrives.
if its the goat probably not,,,they are 21.5 t motors,,i was gonna use one in mine when it gets here...

[wallaz]

Anyone know when the dig kit will be available?

Don't really want to have to open the axles up again if I can fit any necessary items as I'm buliding it up now!

[dkingston]

Kyosho America should have them yet this week. If you are in a huge hurry and want them before Thanksgiving, I would give them a call directly. They should make their way to the shops (hopefully) around Thanksgiving.

Kyosho America
(800) 716-4518


- David

UPDATE: Wallaz try http://www.kyoshofrance.com/uk1/accueil-khome.htm and click on the shop finder. Someone at one of those shops should be able to assist you.

p.s. wallaz - I just noticed you are in the UK and I believe the closest distributor to you would be Kyosho Sweden. It is too early California time for me to confirm. For now try http://www.kyosho.se/

[TWINSET]

I've just spoken to Kyosho USA (number above, option2) , they're not expecting stock for 4-6 weeks apparently :shock:

[dkingston]

I've just spoken to Kyosho USA (number above, option2) , they're not expecting stock for 4-6 weeks apparently :shock:

I spoke with a higher authority at Kyosho America and I have every reason to believe it will be much sooner than that... ;-)

[TWINSET]

Well, there's a fair chance Wallaz and I will be hounding you until we get one - Kyosho UK were pretty in the dark about the truck, let alone the digs, they seem to have brought them in out of curiosity :lol:

If you hear of any stocks, please bear us in mind :-(

[dkingston]

No problem bugging me about them. If I can help I surely will.

[genki]

I ordered some last week and hope they will be here and instock next week.

[BeeRC]

I'll direct this post to dkingston, but everyone feel free to chime in on this as well. First, congrats to Kyosho on what appears to be an awesome 2.2 comp. crawler! The 2.2 Rock Force looks like it easily has the potential to change or at least enhance the way 2.2 crawlers perform! Definitely some great ideas and engineering in this truck!

Availability of the Super Class Rock Force originally shown by Kyosho would most likely generate interest and exitement similar to the new 2.2 RF. The availability of the Kyosho super class Rock Force to the buying public would definitely create a broader interest in this class, much like the Axial Scorpion did for the 2.2 class. Availability of viable equipment is much of what is holding the popularity of this class back now. Although some motor-an-axle supers are now becoming available, a high quality super 'shafty" would certainly generate even more interest. The question would then be: Has there been any indication at all from Kyosho that they may (will) also produce their Super Class Rock Force at some point ??

[dkingston]

I'll direct this post to dkingston, but everyone feel free to chime in on this as well. First, congrats to Kyosho on what appears to be an awesome 2.2 comp. crawler! The 2.2 Rock Force looks like it easily has the potential to change or at least enhance the way 2.2 crawlers perform! Definitely some great ideas and engineering in this truck!

Availability of the Super Class Rock Force originally shown by Kyosho would most likely generate interest and exitement similar to the new 2.2 RF. The availability of the Kyosho super class Rock Force to the buying public would definitely create a broader interest in this class, much like the Axial Scorpion did for the 2.2 class. Availability of viable equipment is much of what is holding the popularity of this class back now. Although some motor-an-axle supers are now becoming available, a high quality super 'shafty" would certainly generate even more interest. The question would then be: Has there been any indication at all from Kyosho that they may (will) also produce their Super Class Rock Force at some point ??

That is the great mystery at this time.

Several things would have to come into play if I were to try to second-guess what Kyosho is going to do.

First, the success of the 2.2 Rock Force
Second, the economy. Who knows how hard this industry will get hit over the next year?
Plus a few other minor issues that are hardly worth discussing in a public forum. Honestly, if the trend in crawling continues and the economy shows signs of improvement, I would be there is a good chance that something super sized could be available.

I know I wasn't too specific, but that is my best guess at this point.

- David

[BeeRC]

Thanks for your reply DK. A great mystery indeed!

I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from. I really didn't expect anything definite, only some indication of reasonable possibilities, and you did just that. I do realize that many factors will determine what direction this hobby will take in the foreseeable future, especially with the worldwide economic situation being what it is. Even with that factor in play, I'd be willing to bet the 2.2 Rock Force will be a big success this year and next . Comp guys as well as bashers should love the versatility that it promises and the innovation that it brings and it should provide an additional boost to the growing trend in rc crawling.

As you said, trying to second guess what Kyosho may be planning to do would be nearly impossible, but we can still bring up ideas that they will hopefully take notice of and consider in their product planning. I'm sure that they really do listen to what the market says, so we as customers can yield considerable leverage as to what they will consider for their future market. Of course they obviously already have given considerable thought, planning and engineering expense to the idea of a super class crawler. We can only hope that they will follow through with its actual production! If they do, they may come up with and incorporate even more innovative features into it.

If possible in your correspondence with them, please let them know that many of us would certainly encourage them to follow through with this product. At least that may help to keep them thinking about it and possibly give it serious consideration for actual production.

Thanks very much again and please keep us posted if you hear anything!

[Bart bender]

Not to turn this into a Super class post, but I hope that after going through all the R&D of building the Super Class prototype that Kyosho would not put the idea to bed. I would hope that in the near future they will go through with it. Of course after the "wealth is spread":roll:

[John]

The 2.2 Rock Force was designed and built using super class parts and hardware. Lengthen the links, add a servo for rear steer and mount some 40 size wheels and there is your super. Not sure that Kyosho needs to change too much more.

[Ferenczy33]

My LHS already has them in stock. Looked at the kit yesterday. Definitely one indestructable rig. I'd get one but I'm still saving for my baja 5b.

[onge65]

Hello everyone I'm new to this site and new to rock crawling .I wish I found this site before I BOUGHT A kYOSHO ROCK FORCE.bECAUSE BOUGHT IT LAST sATURDAY 02/07/09 and brought it home to buld and found the very first thing I had to put together was not in the box.That sucked.So
I called Kyosho on monday and they told me they were aware of the problem and they would send me the part as long as I would send them a email.So I did and they shipped it out ground ups,I live in Conn. and it is coming from Cal. so that means I have to wait at least 5 to 7 day's and that sucks.They made the mistake I think they sould have sent it faster because of there screw up.I'm really looking forward to getting it built and
running it on my local hobby shops indoor course.(PIN SHOP HOBBY OAKVILLE CT) I'll be on this site all they time now it has get info.

[JOOTZ]

Hello everyone I'm new to this site and new to rock crawling .I wish I found this site before I BOUGHT A kYOSHO ROCK FORCE.bECAUSE BOUGHT IT LAST sATURDAY 02/07/09 and brought it home to buld and found the very first thing I had to put together was not in the box.That sucked.So
I called Kyosho on monday and they told me they were aware of the problem and they would send me the part as long as I would send them a email.So I did and they shipped it out ground ups,I live in Conn. and it is coming from Cal. so that means I have to wait at least 5 to 7 day's and that sucks.They made the mistake I think they sould have sent it faster because of there screw up.I'm really looking forward to getting it built and
running it on my local hobby shops indoor course.(PIN SHOP HOBBY OAKVILLE CT) I'll be on this site all they time now it has get info.

no worries Kyosho usually takes care of business and your not the only guy who had the part missing from the box. they all got taken care of in good time "thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup"

[onge65]

no worries Kyosho usually takes care of business and your not the only guy who had the part missing from the box. they all got taken care of in good time "thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup"


Thanks,I was wondering if anyone is making hop up parts or do I need any?

[JOOTZ]

basic hop-ups for now are high speed gears and dig which are all made by kyosho. there are a couple threads here with chassis and wheels which are specific for the RF and are very good in design and function, check them out. i suggest finish with your build and learn what you got then take it from there.

[onge65]

basic hop-ups for now are high speed gears and dig which are all made by kyosho. there are a couple threads here with chassis and wheels which are specific for the RF and are very good in design and function, check them out. i suggest finish with your build and learn what you got then take it from there.


Your right about not getting crazy worrying about hop ups now I'm going to just do the dig unit now.Can you recomend some good bead locks for the RF

[dave56bug]

There are many posts here regarding Beadlocks, Eritex, Vanquish, Proline Epics etc.

Your right about not getting crazy worrying about hop ups now I'm going to just do the dig unit now.Can you recomend some good bead locks for the RF

[onge65]

There are many posts here regarding Beadlocks, Eritex, Vanquish, Proline Epics etc.


I guess what I ment are some better than others for fit or do they all fit the hubs and offset ?Like I said I'm very new to rock crawling and don't want to buy ones that don't fit or work correct . Thanks

[JOOTZ]

I guess what I ment are some better than others for fit or do they all fit the hubs and offset ?Like I said I'm very new to rock crawling and don't want to buy ones that don't fit or work correct . Thanks

you can start with proline epic slash beadlocks rears only all around, use the tires that came with the RF box and your good to go.

[onge65]

you can start with proline epic slash beadlocks rears only all around, use the tires that came with the RF box and your good to go.


Thank you very much.I know my local hobby shop has the in stock.So I will buy two sets of rears .I didn't get any foam inserts in the kit ,do I need them or should I put air soft pellets or nothing?Again not sure being new to rock crawling.Thanks for ALL your help.

[gimpygolden]

I would also like to know this. I to plan on running the Epic wheels with either stock tire or HPI Rock Grabbers. Do you need foams for the stockers? The manual shows no foams, if thats the case do the wheels need to be sealed up or still have vent holes?

[dkingston]

The hexes on the Epic wheels are notoriously weak for use in crawling. They work great for their intended purpose, on a Slash.

Depending on your budget, there are many, many wheel vendors here on RCC all of which make really nice wheels. The new "335" spaced VP wheels are spaced for the RF, I have tried the Mayhem 7's and they work well and I believe that DNA will have some RF specific wheels available soon. Eritex also makes RF specific wheels and have a thread in this section. Check the vendor section, loads of info there!

I wouldn't spend too much time on the stock tires, the aftermarket tires are better


- David