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cliffhanger007 · 11-12-2010, 12:38 AM

I was reading that the stock dog bones are not good when using these tubes.Which dog bones i should use with gunnar beef tubes?Thanks

KC_JoNeS · 11-12-2010, 12:56 AM

It is obvious that a lot of misinformation is floating around. I will make it clear right now.

1. The toob's current configuration will not allow you to combine VP knuckles with stock dog bones. If you chose to run dog bones, you will need some other model of knuckle.

2. The toobs are drilled and tapped for easy installation as requested by most customers. If I were to make these without the drill and tap, you could place them where you wanted.

3. The tapped portion cannot be moved further toward the end as it will severely weaken the holding power of the threads.

Currently, I am the only one producing these (with help from gunnar directly) and we have shipped over 50 sets so far with NO complaints from the field.

Casey

cliffhanger007 · 11-12-2010, 03:21 PM

where do u buy them?
can u use mip cvd with it?
or any other sugestions

PipeDreams · 11-12-2010, 07:06 PM

Good cheap cvd is the axial cvd with gunnar pin or mip cvd with gunnar pin.

LIKES2CRAWL · 11-12-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_JoNeS

You cannot use dog bones when combined with VP series of knuckles. So, if you plan to run VP knuckles, you will need a CVD. I run the 3Racing CVDs combined with gunnar pins. Works good for me.

Casey

Did you realy think this out befor typing it? It dosen't say anywhere on VP's site that you CAN NOT use dog bones with VP knuckles. I'm running stock dog bones with VP knuckles and have NO problems.

Crawling Calvin · 11-12-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LIKES2CRAWL

Did you realy think this out befor typing it? It dosen't say anywhere on VP's site that you CAN NOT use dog bones with VP knuckles. I'm running stock dog bones with VP knuckles and have NO problems.

Its because of a design flaw(s) with the tubes. The issues are that the counter bore or flange milled into the tube is to little and the inner race of the bearing strikes and the setup itself pushes the bearing out way to far to begin with. The true solution is the "True" gunnar tubes which I have made and work just fine with my VP knuckles

KC_JoNeS · 11-12-2010, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawling Calvin

Its because of a design flaw(s) with the tubes. The issues are that the counter bore or flange milled into the tube is to little and the inner race of the bearing strikes and the setup itself pushes the bearing out way to far to begin with. The true solution is the "True" gunnar tubes which I have made and work just fine with my VP knuckles

Calvin, first off, you do not have a set of my toobs, so you really are not in a place to describe how the bearing is seated. It is not "Way too far out".

It is not a design flaw with the toobs...it is a design flaw with the VP knuckles. The toobs must be drilled and tapped where they are in order to have enough meat to hold the screws. If you attempt to take any more metal off of that area, you severely weaken the screw's threaded area.

The VP knuckles seem to have the bearing placement closer to the axle as opposed to stock or various other models.

I run only VP knuckles, and have tested this on at least 3 different sets.

Casey

SwampDawg · 11-12-2010, 11:00 PM

so i get this clear for myself...

i have the gunnar toobz on the way so does this mean i cannot use them with my stock scx10 axles? i have no cvd's nothing...just stock!

KC_JoNeS · 11-12-2010, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampDawg

so i get this clear for myself...

i have the gunnar toobz on the way so does this mean i cannot use them with my stock scx10 axles? i have no cvd's nothing...just stock!

They will work fine...but, you cannot upgrade your knuckles to VP knuckles. If you want to use VP knuckles, you will need to switch to a CVD style axle.

Casey

gunnar · 11-13-2010, 07:43 AM

You also have to remember, these tubes have to work with what Axial has provided. With the C screws so close to where the bearing sits, there is not much room for a design change. Don't blame the tubes, blame Axial for putting the screws there

brokennib · 12-12-2010, 05:55 PM

Cool, I want to try these out, payment sent.

KC_JoNeS · 12-12-2010, 06:25 PM

They will ship out of California, so they will get to you quickly.

Casey

brokennib · 12-12-2010, 06:33 PM

Thank you sir!

gunnar · 12-12-2010, 06:56 PM

I'm expecting a package of toobs any day now, as soon as I get them, all orders will ship immediately.

KC_JoNeS · 12-12-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnar

I'm expecting a package of toobs any day now, as soon as I get them, all orders will ship immediately.

Scott, we tracked them this morning, and they are in LA.

You should get them today or tomorrow.

Casey

brokennib · 12-18-2010, 11:57 AM

Just got mine a couple of days ago, and they installed real easy, and really took a lot of slop out of the front of my rig.
Two thumbs up!

cliffhanger007 · 12-19-2010, 10:25 AM

I haven't got mine yet when did they shiped out?

gunnar · 12-19-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cliffhanger007

I haven't got mine yet when did they shiped out?

I did have a delay in shipping for a few days, mainly because I was broke! You should get yours Monday or Teusday, PM me if you don't

travis c. · 12-20-2010, 10:39 AM

Hands down, one of the best mods I've done on my 2.2 Top Truck, front and rear. They even work with XR c's, knuckles, and universals on AX housings.

-w-designs · 12-20-2010, 11:19 AM

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They even work with XR c's, knuckles, and universals on AX housings.

Thats a great idea.....may have to use that one.....is it an easy mod?

11-12-2010, 12:38 AM	#1
cliffhanger007 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vancouver,Canada Posts: 212	Gunnar Beef tubes I was reading that the stock dog bones are not good when using these tubes.Which dog bones i should use with gunnar beef tubes?Thanks

11-12-2010, 12:56 AM	#2
KC_JoNeS Tossin' Salad Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Petaluma Posts: 1,826	It is obvious that a lot of misinformation is floating around. I will make it clear right now. 1. The toob's current configuration will not allow you to combine VP knuckles with stock dog bones. If you chose to run dog bones, you will need some other model of knuckle. 2. The toobs are drilled and tapped for easy installation as requested by most customers. If I were to make these without the drill and tap, you could place them where you wanted. 3. The tapped portion cannot be moved further toward the end as it will severely weaken the holding power of the threads. Currently, I am the only one producing these (with help from gunnar directly) and we have shipped over 50 sets so far with NO complaints from the field. Casey Last edited by KC_JoNeS; 11-12-2010 at 11:15 PM.

11-12-2010, 03:21 PM	#3
cliffhanger007 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vancouver,Canada Posts: 212	where do u buy them? can u use mip cvd with it? or any other sugestions

11-12-2010, 07:06 PM	#4
PipeDreams RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 1,296	Good cheap cvd is the axial cvd with gunnar pin or mip cvd with gunnar pin.

11-12-2010, 11:00 PM	#8
SwampDawg RCC Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Interior BC Posts: 1,786	so i get this clear for myself... i have the gunnar toobz on the way so does this mean i cannot use them with my stock scx10 axles? i have no cvd's nothing...just stock!

11-13-2010, 07:43 AM	#10
gunnar Ex Nor-CalRCRC slave Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Mateo, CA. Posts: 2,242	You also have to remember, these tubes have to work with what Axial has provided. With the C screws so close to where the bearing sits, there is not much room for a design change. Don't blame the tubes, blame Axial for putting the screws there

12-12-2010, 05:55 PM	#11
brokennib Rock Crawler Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lincoln Posts: 740	Cool, I want to try these out, payment sent.

12-12-2010, 06:25 PM	#12
KC_JoNeS Tossin' Salad Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Petaluma Posts: 1,826	They will ship out of California, so they will get to you quickly. Casey

12-12-2010, 06:33 PM	#13
brokennib Rock Crawler Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lincoln Posts: 740	Thank you sir!

12-12-2010, 06:56 PM	#14
gunnar Ex Nor-CalRCRC slave Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Mateo, CA. Posts: 2,242	I'm expecting a package of toobs any day now, as soon as I get them, all orders will ship immediately.

12-18-2010, 11:57 AM	#16
brokennib Rock Crawler Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lincoln Posts: 740	Just got mine a couple of days ago, and they installed real easy, and really took a lot of slop out of the front of my rig. Two thumbs up!

12-19-2010, 10:25 AM	#17
cliffhanger007 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vancouver,Canada Posts: 212	I haven't got mine yet when did they shiped out?

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12-20-2010, 10:39 AM	#19
travis c. I wanna be Dave Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chico now Posts: 2,384	Hands down, one of the best mods I've done on my 2.2 Top Truck, front and rear. They even work with XR c's, knuckles, and universals on AX housings.

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