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mudn_1 · 02-21-2011, 09:06 PM

I am kinda bored with my axial, its too wide, too boxy and too bland..... I on the other hand am really enjoying my fairly stock Losi and especially the link geometry..... so why not build a Losi-axial hybrid...... Losi chassis and axial running gear..... I had a stock LNC chassis laying around so I figure I can put it to use.....hopefully in the end this will be a competitive sportsman rig....... on the pics of what i have done so far....

the losi chassis is narrow, similar to a gatekeeper i think..... so first I wanted to get the skid mocked up.... the two holes that are there now where pretty close, so i just reamed one out a little like an adjustible trans mount, the other two the ones marked will have to be drilled and the top of the skids ribbing will have to be removed just a little for some delrin spacers to go in.... overall this was fairly straight forward

next one of the chassis plates had to be "notched" to accept the wider axial trans/motor mount...... I basicly cut the ribbing out of the chassis and notched the lower section, and it still seems pretty strong escpecially with how it ties into the skid, and once chassis braces are added it will be rigid.... it will be cleaned up later on......

thats pretty much it except for mounting the skid up to the plates for mock up purposes..... I am a little concerned about the weight from the motor being pushed to one side, and the driveshafts are centered this way..... i will address the weight offset later on...

Suggestions appreciated!!!

I shall call it project "Los Axial"

SoCalSlasher · 02-21-2011, 09:16 PM

I love it when somebody takes a rig and goes with a hybrid build. I did myself starting off with a Creeper, which has amassed into a full custom rig with only creeper axles left. Just wondering why you would go with an Axial tranny over the Losi one? I have never driven the Losi, but I would think having the dig option of the Losi would be more desirable.

mudn_1 · 02-21-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalSlasher

I love it when somebody takes a rig and goes with a hybrid build. I did myself starting off with a Creeper, which has amassed into a full custom rig with only creeper axles left. Just wondering why you would go with an Axial tranny over the Losi one? I have never driven the Losi, but I would think having the dig option of the Losi would be more desirable.

the losi trans has zero underdrive...... its basically 1;1 and the gear reduction is at the axles....... so the axial stuff needed to be used.... Currently all I have is a LNC tranny and axial tranny, so basically for the time being i will use the stuff I have until I see how it performs

SoCalSlasher · 02-21-2011, 09:23 PM

Aaahh I see. I have never really looked at the Losi up close, so that makes sense now. I'm interested to see what you come up with.

Highlucks · 02-21-2011, 09:56 PM

a quick question why did you push the motor out of the side of the chassis when you could have had it mounted much closer to the centre of the rig?

mudn_1 · 02-21-2011, 10:24 PM

I didnt try too... I used the stock holes for mounting.... are you saying I should try and flip it around? I can try that.... I was basicly trying to utilize the stock holes since there so many already in this skid... If it doesn't work out I can get a skid milled.... if need be

J.DUKE · 02-21-2011, 10:31 PM

I love what you're doing and I'll follow it closely. Please keep us posted.
That Losi chassis is killer!!!
The tapered chassis plates...the upper links being nearly parallel... the lower links being wide at the axle and triangulating at the skid...
Its so well designed!!! I think thats why nobody's gotten serious about an aftermarket chassis for it...

KEEP IT COMIN!!!

J.DUKE · 02-21-2011, 10:36 PM

Oh, and as for your tranny mounting position, I think its fine.

JUST MAKE SURE the motor is on the right side to help counter torque twist. It won't help tons, but somewhat, and every bit counts.

mudn_1 · 02-21-2011, 10:40 PM

thanks!! It will take a little more work, but this chassis will go either way so It should be fine

Duuuuuuuude · 02-21-2011, 11:00 PM

Cool, somebodies doing something interesting. Subscribed.

Crawling Calvin · 02-21-2011, 11:24 PM

Agreed with Duuuuude!

Looks good, i don't see any torque twist issues with that setup

I am also a big fan of "not going with the norm" I mean that's what makes crawling so much fun, give two guys the same car and a $200 budget for upgrades and they won't do the same rig

freetimecrawler · 02-21-2011, 11:29 PM

No disrespect to the OP, but some of you guys act like this is a new thing.
This is how all rigs were built before the AX10 came out.

romulus22 · 02-21-2011, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalSlasher

Just wondering why you would go with an Axial tranny over the Losi one? I have never driven the Losi, but I would think having the dig option of the Losi would be more desirable.

Just to help you out a little more also. The losi tranny has a non locking dig setup. The lockup comes from the worm drive axles.

mudn_1 · 02-21-2011, 11:34 PM

well i just bought another chassis off ebay for $30 brand new with all the shock mounts and stuff i needed, so this might just be the mockup throw away chassis....... then i use the new one for final assembly because i needed the chassis braces and shock mounts.... I just thought it would be a cheap easy gain over the setup I have currently (double-D)... plus its a fun little project.......

mudn_1 · 02-21-2011, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by freetimecrawler

No disrespect to the OP, but some of you guys act like this is a new thing.
This is how all rigs were built before the AX10 came out.

none taken, but you don't see many doing it now.... the geometry on this chassis is phenomenal....and paired with axial drivetrain, minus steering, I think it will make a sweet little sportsman

Duuuuuuuude · 02-22-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mudn_1

but you don't see many doing it now...

Thats because now they can buy damn near anything you want. A build thread today is nothing like a build thread a few years ago. Now its more like "hey here's some pictures and a list of new parts I bought, watch me assemble them".

mudn_1 · 02-22-2011, 10:28 AM

LOL.... I know.... I was trying to think outside the box a little..... but other than what is shown, I dont know what else will really have to be custom..... but we'll see....

mudn_1 · 02-22-2011, 03:56 PM

stay tuned as i get it together, if it works and will hold up to punishment, i will hack the new chassis and use it, and maybe make a few changes.....

mudn_1 · 02-26-2011, 12:26 AM

the new LCC chassis came in the mail today so I could get started on links and shock mounts so I worked on the piece tonight...... I got finished getting the tranny mounted and cutting the chassis for the motor so it will be adjustable.... the only downfall with that is the chassis plate will have to be removed for motor change etc.......

I got started on the front suspension and links..... Now I like the lower link setup, but plan to move them out a little on the axle side, but as for the uppers I believe I am gonna have to either get some shorter links, or drill new holes above the axle for these.... the suspension seems extremely stiff right now and I'm not happy with it..... any Link length/geometry help is appreciated....how do you guys setup your links on a custom build? I mean whats behind it, trial and errror? or is there angles/math I need to know...... but heres the pics:

New chassis, not gonna hack at it until I see how this preforms/breaks...

and the pile.... notice the top link mounts on the axle side of things and tell me what you think as far as what to do.....

Duuuuuuuude · 02-26-2011, 12:32 AM

You need to make shorter links. If you don't already have them, get a 3mm tap and bit kit, and some 1/4" aluminum rod from the hardware store.

02-21-2011, 09:06 PM	#1
mudn_1 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: too close to LRC.... Jealous???? Posts: 479	project "Hybrid" I am kinda bored with my axial, its too wide, too boxy and too bland..... I on the other hand am really enjoying my fairly stock Losi and especially the link geometry..... so why not build a Losi-axial hybrid...... Losi chassis and axial running gear..... I had a stock LNC chassis laying around so I figure I can put it to use.....hopefully in the end this will be a competitive sportsman rig....... on the pics of what i have done so far.... the losi chassis is narrow, similar to a gatekeeper i think..... so first I wanted to get the skid mocked up.... the two holes that are there now where pretty close, so i just reamed one out a little like an adjustible trans mount, the other two the ones marked will have to be drilled and the top of the skids ribbing will have to be removed just a little for some delrin spacers to go in.... overall this was fairly straight forward next one of the chassis plates had to be "notched" to accept the wider axial trans/motor mount...... I basicly cut the ribbing out of the chassis and notched the lower section, and it still seems pretty strong escpecially with how it ties into the skid, and once chassis braces are added it will be rigid.... it will be cleaned up later on...... thats pretty much it except for mounting the skid up to the plates for mock up purposes..... I am a little concerned about the weight from the motor being pushed to one side, and the driveshafts are centered this way..... i will address the weight offset later on... Suggestions appreciated!!! I shall call it project "Los Axial" Last edited by mudn_1; 02-21-2011 at 09:09 PM.

02-21-2011, 10:24 PM	#6
mudn_1 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: too close to LRC.... Jealous???? Posts: 479	I didnt try too... I used the stock holes for mounting.... are you saying I should try and flip it around? I can try that.... I was basicly trying to utilize the stock holes since there so many already in this skid... If it doesn't work out I can get a skid milled.... if need be Last edited by mudn_1; 02-21-2011 at 10:27 PM.

02-21-2011, 09:16 PM	#2
SoCalSlasher Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Apple Valley Posts: 37	I love it when somebody takes a rig and goes with a hybrid build. I did myself starting off with a Creeper, which has amassed into a full custom rig with only creeper axles left. Just wondering why you would go with an Axial tranny over the Losi one? I have never driven the Losi, but I would think having the dig option of the Losi would be more desirable.

02-21-2011, 09:23 PM	#4
SoCalSlasher Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Apple Valley Posts: 37	Aaahh I see. I have never really looked at the Losi up close, so that makes sense now. I'm interested to see what you come up with.

02-21-2011, 09:56 PM	#5
Highlucks Try to Bend it Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Perth Australia Posts: 3,163	a quick question why did you push the motor out of the side of the chassis when you could have had it mounted much closer to the centre of the rig?

02-21-2011, 10:31 PM	#7
J.DUKE Rock Crawler Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dutch Oven - AZ Posts: 500	I love what you're doing and I'll follow it closely. Please keep us posted. That Losi chassis is killer!!! The tapered chassis plates...the upper links being nearly parallel... the lower links being wide at the axle and triangulating at the skid... Its so well designed!!! I think thats why nobody's gotten serious about an aftermarket chassis for it... KEEP IT COMIN!!!

02-21-2011, 10:36 PM	#8
J.DUKE Rock Crawler Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dutch Oven - AZ Posts: 500	Oh, and as for your tranny mounting position, I think its fine. JUST MAKE SURE the motor is on the right side to help counter torque twist. It won't help tons, but somewhat, and every bit counts.

02-21-2011, 10:40 PM	#9
mudn_1 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: too close to LRC.... Jealous???? Posts: 479	thanks!! It will take a little more work, but this chassis will go either way so It should be fine

02-21-2011, 11:00 PM	#10
Duuuuuuuude Suck it up! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 11,652	Cool, somebodies doing something interesting. Subscribed.

02-21-2011, 11:24 PM	#11
Crawling Calvin RCC Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,927	Agreed with Duuuuude! Looks good, i don't see any torque twist issues with that setup I am also a big fan of "not going with the norm" I mean that's what makes crawling so much fun, give two guys the same car and a $200 budget for upgrades and they won't do the same rig

02-21-2011, 11:29 PM	#12
freetimecrawler Debunking old stereotypes Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 1st and Amistad Posts: 2,260	No disrespect to the OP, but some of you guys act like this is a new thing. This is how all rigs were built before the AX10 came out.

02-21-2011, 11:34 PM	#14
mudn_1 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: too close to LRC.... Jealous???? Posts: 479	well i just bought another chassis off ebay for $30 brand new with all the shock mounts and stuff i needed, so this might just be the mockup throw away chassis....... then i use the new one for final assembly because i needed the chassis braces and shock mounts.... I just thought it would be a cheap easy gain over the setup I have currently (double-D)... plus its a fun little project.......

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02-22-2011, 10:28 AM	#17
mudn_1 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: too close to LRC.... Jealous???? Posts: 479	LOL.... I know.... I was trying to think outside the box a little..... but other than what is shown, I dont know what else will really have to be custom..... but we'll see....

02-22-2011, 03:56 PM	#18
mudn_1 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: too close to LRC.... Jealous???? Posts: 479	stay tuned as i get it together, if it works and will hold up to punishment, i will hack the new chassis and use it, and maybe make a few changes.....

02-26-2011, 12:26 AM	#19
mudn_1 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: too close to LRC.... Jealous???? Posts: 479	the new LCC chassis came in the mail today so I could get started on links and shock mounts so I worked on the piece tonight...... I got finished getting the tranny mounted and cutting the chassis for the motor so it will be adjustable.... the only downfall with that is the chassis plate will have to be removed for motor change etc....... I got started on the front suspension and links..... Now I like the lower link setup, but plan to move them out a little on the axle side, but as for the uppers I believe I am gonna have to either get some shorter links, or drill new holes above the axle for these.... the suspension seems extremely stiff right now and I'm not happy with it..... any Link length/geometry help is appreciated....how do you guys setup your links on a custom build? I mean whats behind it, trial and errror? or is there angles/math I need to know...... but heres the pics: New chassis, not gonna hack at it until I see how this preforms/breaks... and the pile.... notice the top link mounts on the axle side of things and tell me what you think as far as what to do.....

02-26-2011, 12:32 AM	#20
Duuuuuuuude Suck it up! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 11,652	You need to make shorter links. If you don't already have them, get a 3mm tap and bit kit, and some 1/4" aluminum rod from the hardware store.

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