Wheels 5th demension sucker punch with a Dlux twist

[tapped-out]

Looks good... minus the new slider plates are the inner SP side plates stock thickness? Or is it a whole new chassis?

[Wheels7]

Originally Posted by tapped-out

Looks good... minus the new slider plates are the inner SP side plates stock thickness? Or is it a whole new chassis?

Thanks, yeah stock side plates. Just added the slider plates and the sway bar mount.

[tapped-out]

Originally Posted by tapped-out

Looks good... Minus the new slider plates, are the inner SP side plates stock thickness? Or is it a whole new chassis?

Just to clarify my post
What I meant was... is the g-10 material slider & chassis plates the same thickness?
Looks like the slider plates are thiner..wasn't knocking the double shear slider..
After i re-read my post it sounded negative and wasn't meant that way.

[Wheels7]

Yeah. Side plates are 1/16"

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by Wheels7

Probably the cheapest narrow mod you can do on an AR60.

The front came out to 10.75". This was achieved using a set of V1 Dlux knuckes. with a zero offset hub. Dlux is now offering the same thing in a V2 knuckle. that he runs on his car. For the axle shafts.I am using an ofna outer with a stock inner. seems to be working good for now.

So does Erik have arms for these knuckles that give you more room to run narrower?

[chris.martell]

Originally Posted by sally1800

So does Erik have arms for these knuckles that give you more room to run narrower?

He sure does I have these knuckles in the v2. The steering arm is not 0 Ackerman so it can have more clearance on the tire.

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[sally1800]

Originally Posted by chris.martell

He sure does I have these knuckles in the v2. The steering arm is not 0 Ackerman so it can have more clearance on the tire.

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Would you mine measuring inside tire to tire.

Thanks

[TSK]

So you guys are running a non 0 Ackerman knuckle arm?

[chris.martell]

Originally Posted by sally1800

Would you mine measuring inside tire to tire.

Thanks

7in is inside of tire to inside of tire.

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[chris.martell]

Originally Posted by TheSCorpionKing

So you guys are running a non 0 Ackerman knuckle arm?

Yes sir and I'm slowly learning the advantages of the Ackerman affect. Blipping the throttle while turning sharp seems to be more affective and the bucking from the universals is reduced a noticeable amount. Although full on steering at speed is not quite as sharp its not by much.
Wheels and my setups are inside of 0 Ackerman so the out side tire turns just a tad sharper than the inside tire.

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[TotoRax]

HI,

I profit that you speak about the non 0° Ackerman, for you ask a question. I understand the principle, but if the arm is in front of the axle (as on the Axial or this rig), it functions contrary, no? Is there a reason with that?

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by chris.martell

7in is inside of tire to inside of tire.

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Thanks

I get that with vanquish stuff on .225 offsets.

Hoping to gain at least .375

[chris.martell]

Originally Posted by TotoRax

HI,

I profit that you speak about the non 0° Ackerman, for you ask a question. I understand the principle, but if the arm is in front of the axle (as on the Axial or this rig), it functions contrary, no? Is there a reason with that?

You are totally correct after doing some research on this if I can get my steering arms behind the axle it would be better than what I have now. Thanks TotoRax for helping me get smarter.

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[Erik D_lux]

Originally Posted by sally1800

So does Erik have arms for these knuckles that give you more room to run narrower?

As Chris said, I can make a knuckle any way you like. The way we are running it, we just bring the mounting holes in on the knuckle a bit for more clearance. Its pretty darn close to 0 ack but not quite.

Originally Posted by sally1800

Would you mine measuring inside tire to tire.

Thanks

If you want to compare axle widths, you cant go off of inside tire, out side tire or anything else unless you guys have the exact same setup.

To compare axle to axle, you need to measure the wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting surface.

Originally Posted by TotoRax

HI,

I profit that you speak about the non 0° Ackerman, for you ask a question. I understand the principle, but if the arm is in front of the axle (as on the Axial or this rig), it functions contrary, no? Is there a reason with that?

My thinking right now is that I dont really care too much about ackermann, to a point. I want the most steering that my car can get out of both tires. These knuckles for this car provide that (or pretty close). Both universals bind at the same point instead of 0 ack where the outside tire still has travel left. I like these arms so much that I may throw them on my other cars.

Originally Posted by sally1800

I get that with vanquish stuff on .225 offsets.

You may have that inside to inside dimension but I guarantee your mounting surface is wider.

Originally Posted by chris.martell

You are totally correct after doing some research on this if I can get my steering arms behind the axle it would be better than what I have now. Thanks TotoRax for helping me get smarter.

Why would it be better?

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by Erik D_lux

You may have that inside to inside dimension but I guarantee your mounting surface is wider.

OK so As I said Hex to Hex is roughly 10 on a standard AR60 with Vanquish Chubs and Wraith Knuckles.

What have you came up with?

[Erik D_lux]

For a bit more detail on these simple, narrow AR60's, here is what you need to get them rolling.

REAR:

Rear axle is straight up stock with the exception of the hubs.

Thanks to a post by JeremyH, I found some pin on RC4wd hubs and then I mill the hex pin hole to make them even narrower. The mounting surface to mounting surface is 9.35". And it gave Wheels approx 10.5" overall with Rovers. I will be modifying and selling these modified hubs. Even if the hubs are not modified, they can still get you really narrow. Maybe Wheels can chime in but I think they were about 1/4" wider before modding?

Billet wheel hub for OEM Stamped 1.9 Wheels

FRONT:

The front is a hair more complicated.

Everything from the chubs inward is stock then we are using OFNA shafts, Dlux NARROW knuckle setup and custom 0 offset hubs.

This is giving a mounting surface to mounting surface measurement of 9.7"

The OFNA shafts can be done 2 different ways. First is to put an ofna stub shaft on a AR60 inner axle. The other way, which is turning out to be much better so far, is to grind a tang on the inner OFNA shaft. The OFNA material is leaps and bounds better than the Axial stuff so this is the direction we are leaning.

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by Erik D_lux

For a bit more detail on these simple, narrow AR60's, here is what you need to get them rolling.

REAR:

Rear axle is straight up stock with the exception of the hubs.

Thanks to a post by JeremyH, I found some pin on RC4wd hubs and then I mill the hex pin hole to make them even narrower. The mounting surface to mounting surface is EDIT WHEN I HAVE THE NUMBER. And it gave Wheels approx 10.5" overall with Rovers. I will be modifying and selling these modified hubs. Even if the hubs are not modified, they can still get you really narrow. Maybe Wheels can chime in but I think they were about 1/4" wider before modding?

Billet wheel hub for OEM Stamped 1.9 Wheels

FRONT:

The front is a hair more complicated.

Everything from the chubs inward is stock then we are using OFNA shafts, Dlux NARROW knuckle setup and custom 0 offset hubs.

This is giving a mounting surface to mounting surface measurement of 9.7"

The OFNA shafts can be done 2 different ways. First is to put an ofna stub shaft on a AR60 inner axle. The other way, which is turning out to be much better so far, is to grind a tang on the inner OFNA shaft. The OFNA material is leaps and bounds better than the Axial stuff so this is the direction we are leaning.

So to achieve this .25 you would need.

OFNA shafts
Dlux Knuckles
Dlux Wheels

[Erik D_lux]

Its .300, not .250 and thats using your measurement.... who knows how accurate that is....

OFNA shafts, Dlux NARROW knuckle setup and custom 0 offset hubs.

I would be flattered by using Dlux wheels but any flat faced wheel would work.

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by Erik D_lux

Its .300, not .250 and thats using your measurement.... who knows how accurate that is....

OFNA shafts, Dlux NARROW knuckle setup and custom 0 offset hubs.

I would be flattered by using Dlux wheels but any flat faced wheel would work.

Is these OFNA Shaft something you can buy at like A-Main-Hobby? Or are they something you are selling.

Plus would people need a different Tie Rod?

[Erik D_lux]

I am sure you can buy them at A main. They are OFNA 40657. If you buy them and run them straight out of the package, they will only get a bit over 50* of steering and you need to modify the tang. If you get them from me, you get the full 70* steering and I can do the tang too.

Not sure on the tie rod. Depends on what youre running now.