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Old 07-23-2012, 08:04 PM   #1
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this kit:

https://www.ckrccrawlers.com/ckrcs-s...st-p-3828.html

can someone let me know how long the link so i can make a set.. thanks
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:24 PM   #2
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wow...talk about some steering angle.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:45 PM   #3
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going to make those tomorrow for sure......wraith steering up grade ...comin up soon
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Those unis have to be modded to get that much wo binding.
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:43 PM   #5
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wow...talk about some steering angle.
how does the axle not bind against its self?
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:33 PM   #6
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Also Iam curious to know how the tires dont hit the lower chassis links with all that steering. And the increased toe out will make that issue worse, that is the inside tire will point further into the turn so it will catch the links. Ive had this problem on my ridgecrest even wi just universals and a good servo...nothing special about my steering setup.
The description of the ckrc suicide steering setup describes Ackerman, but I dont get how that setup would give more ackerman, and more importantly why that would ever be helpful. Either I am confused or that description is all over the place....both are possible.
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Also Iam curious to know how the tires dont hit the lower chassis links with all that steering. And the increased toe out will make that issue worse, that is the inside tire will point further into the turn so it will catch the links. Ive had this problem on my ridgecrest even wi just universals and a good servo...nothing special about my steering setup.
The description of the ckrc suicide steering setup describes Ackerman, but I dont get how that setup would give more ackerman, and more importantly why that would ever be helpful. Either I am confused or that description is all over the place....both are possible.
Remember, they are running wraith knucks which come either zero or ackerman arms. It also seems like it has narrow wheels with more offset. That will help clear links. Clocking castor all the way back will help as well
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:43 PM   #8
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Don't even bother with this type of steering, it's more of a headache than it's worth.
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Old 07-25-2012, 02:10 PM   #9
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I made my own with two links not sure on the size. I did it strictly for clearance. The DVDs in the front dessinetly help for some angle but you need high steer knuckles for that kind of angle
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Don't even bother with this type of steering, it's more of a headache than it's worth.
Haven't had a single issue with the kit I made....
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Old 07-26-2012, 08:38 AM   #11
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Those unis have to be modded to get that much wo binding.
Nope I have seen his wraith first hand. Just the ax30780 axles. Not even ground or machined at all. He runs vanquish knuckles and c hubs the the suicide switch steering kit. That is it.
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Don't even bother with this type of steering, it's more of a headache than it's worth.
Really? I have one and have had a single issue.
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seems like a good idea and all.. but 35 bucks.. vypr, did you buy the kit or make your own?
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I bought it from them. Also bought the axles and the vanquish stuff just like he has and I get the same steering as he gets. 35 bucks is not that bad at all. My time is more valuable than to make one. You get anodized parts, a heavy duty steering servo arm and all the hardware. It was a good deal for me and super easy to install. I have seen jakes wraith (the one in the pics) do lines I thought only moa types could do. His crawls amazing. And it's super light. And zero binding steering as well. Super smooth.
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Old 07-26-2012, 04:55 PM   #15
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I built my own on my ridgecrest, haven't gotten around to upgrading the axle shafts yet, but I need to. It steers so far over the dogbones slide out of position and lock up the wheel. My friend I run with did the same as me but has a kit Wraith with the better axle joints and zero problems. The extra ground clearance in the front is a nice bonus :-)
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Old 07-26-2012, 05:59 PM   #16
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Im not saying your wrong but every xr uni Ive seen need to be ground so they dont bind themselves. My wraith unis are the same way. Past 50 or so the yokes rub.
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I built my own on my ridgecrest, haven't gotten around to upgrading the axle shafts yet, but I need to. It steers so far over the dogbones slide out of position and lock up the wheel. My friend I run with did the same as me but has a kit Wraith with the better axle joints and zero problems. The extra ground clearance in the front is a nice bonus :-)
get the wraith cvd's and youll be golden. also tucking the shock in helps for more clearance.

im gonna be posting my ridgecrest soon so it will show you what i mean.
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Old 07-28-2012, 04:21 PM   #18
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Looking forward to getting the cvd's, had to order them as my LHS didn't have any. As to tires rubbing links, i'm fairly wide spaced, running 2.2 pitbulls on Duratrax cliff climber rim is what's working for me. I also have a set of RC4WD 2.2 Mickey Thompson claws on stock ax-10 beadlocks, those would rub like crazy if I put them on this rig, so I got lucky on my combo for this rig :-)
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:55 PM   #19
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Search the wraith section and read on this. There's a reason guys switch back. Suicide steering would work correctly if the servo was in the center of the axle. Since it is offset it gives you different steering geometry depending on if you're steering left or right. Its not incapacitating, but many of the mods we do on rigs offer minute improvements ...why do a mod that makes minute detraction from performance?

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Since it is offset it gives you different steering geometry depending on if you're steering left or right. Its not incapacitating, but many of the mods we do on rigs offer minute improvements ...why do a mod that makes minute detraction from performance?
This is why it's more of a headache than it's worth.

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