Tube frame guidlines.

[STANG KILLA SS]

Originally Posted by jason

Sucks tubers aren't allowed, I had some ideas.

uni can you elaborate on this? my 2.2 scaler will be one of my TSS scale chassis with a full tube work bolted to it. to resemble a BTF Fusion Jeep tube chassis. with full body panels, hood, windsheild etc....and hopefully an interior.
is this not going to be legal?

[Unimoger]

Originally Posted by STANG KILLA SS

uni can you elaborate on this? my 2.2 scaler will be one of my TSS scale chassis with a full tube work bolted to it. to resemble a BTF Fusion Jeep tube chassis. with full body panels, hood, windsheild etc....and hopefully an interior.
is this not going to be legal?

if it looks like a 1:1, then it will be legal in the 2.2 scale class only, what jason is referring to is his 2.2 " hustler" .

[jason]

Originally Posted by Unimoger

if it looks like a 1:1, then it will be legal in the 2.2 scale class only, what jason is referring to is his 2.2 " hustler" .

No I am refering to this.

Originally Posted by The rules

- Vehicle must have a frame-railed chassis. Tubed frame rails are ok.

I guess it depends on what you define tube frame rails as. How do you not allow a Hustler, but you do allow Guido? They are both all tube.

[badger]

Originally Posted by jason

How do you not allow a Hustler, but you do allow Guido? They are both all tube.

He is obviously hatin' on the white man, letting Guido's and shit up in here.

[Grizzly4x4]

Originally Posted by jason

I guess it depends on what you define tube frame rails as. How do you not allow a Hustler, but you do allow Guido? They are both all tube.

No, Guido has a ladder frame with the cage/tubework bolted to it.

[jason]

OK, so I picked a bad example, how do the rules allow for some of these rigs, but not others. Or would they all not be allowed? I just want to have a good understanding of the rules before I spend the time building something to fit within them.

I'd assume this is allowed.


I'd assume that since I can't run my hustler, this one wouldn't be allowed.


I wouldn't think this would get turned away, but I guess it's pretty similar to a hustler so maybe it wouldn't be allowed?


What about this?


And this?


This?

[Grizzly4x4]

The rules are based on "scale" vehicle being defined as a street legal, small lift, truck with a full body. The rules did not take into account people building scale replicas of rock buggies.
IMO, that's where the confusion lies and is why Ben and I had this conversation last year.

[jason]

The rule for the 1.9 class does say that they need to be resemble street rigs you'd drive on the trail.

Originally Posted by the rules

- This class is for the typical street legal rigs, that you run off road.

The 2.2 class says it can be a trail rig modified for trail use.

Originally Posted by the rules

- This class is for the typical trail rigs, that you have modified quite a bit for off road.

IE: they don't have to be street legal and would typically include the rigs people tow on trailers to the trail, which more often than not include retired comp rigs.

[braceysdad]

Originally Posted by jason

The rule for the 1.9 class does say that they need to be resemble street rigs you'd drive on the trail.



The 2.2 class says it can be a trail rig modified for trail use.



IE: they don't have to be street legal and would typically include the rigs people tow on trailers to the trail, which more often than not include retired comp rigs.

Whose state laws are we going by on what is street legal?

[Grizzly4x4]

Originally Posted by the rules

The 2.2 scale class will be limited to 2.2" rim sized rigs.

- This class is for the typical trail rigs, that you have modified quite a bit for off road.
- You must run a complete body, bumpers, including fenders, doors & tailgates. Some fender trimming is allowed but the basic shape must be retained.
- A shortened or lengthened body is allowable. A tubed bed must have a functional bed area capable of carrying a full-size spare laid flat (rear fender and tailgate rules to not apply to tubed beds).
- Wheelbase is limited only by your body, and must fit in your fender wells.
- Vehicle must have a frame-railed chassis. Tubed frame rails are ok.
- Vehicle wheelbase needs to fit within the fender walls of the body.
- Vehicle battery must be mounted on the chassis. You cannot mount the battery above the steering servo/axle/upper links. The goal is to place the battery where it is not visible for a more scale appearance.
- Vehicle must run a full approved body. Fenders may be cut, but it must resemble a 1:1 rig you'd see on the street. "Iffy" Vehicles must be approved by the other MTRCRC members.

True, but with all the references to a body, I think it would be safe to say that the vehicle needs to be based off of a production type body. That's why I could see allowing a PSC Bruiser, but not a Campbell buggy. The Bruiser is at least "roughly" based off a Jeep.

Arguments could be made either way on the body thing though.

[Unimoger]

Originally Posted by jason

IE: they don't have to be street legal and would typically include the rigs people tow on trailers to the trail, which more often than not include retired comp rigs.

This is for sure a " gray " area. I wrote the rules 2 years ago and have modified them twice so far. What I have always been after is the " SCALE " trail rigs, not the comp rigs that we use in the 2.2 USRCCA rules class. If we wanted to use those, we have no need for a scale comp.

also, these two rigs are not legal based on track width and wheel size.



badger's buggy is just that, a buggy. and DTP's rig is a full on comp rig, which is sick, just not what we are after in this comp.

I am not trying to be a prick, I just want rigs that are "trail rigs " not rigs that are comp rigs, that's all.

[Unimoger]

Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

True, but with all the references to a body, I think it would be safe to say that the vehicle needs to be based off of a production type body. That's why I could see allowing a PSC Bruiser, but not a Campbell buggy. The Bruiser is at least "roughly" based off a Jeep.

Arguments could be made either way on the body thing though.

thank you Griz, that is well said.

[Unimoger]

Originally Posted by braceysdad

Whose state laws are we going by on what is street legal?

Montucky

[jason]

So if I put 2.2 wheels on this and made sure it was narrow enough, could it run in the 2.2 class?



Here are the complete rules for the 2.2.

- This class is for the typical trail rigs, that you have modified quite a bit for off road.Looks like it to me.
- All 2.2" OEM tires are legal, any modified tire may only be 5.2" tallOnce fixed yes
- Track width can be NO more than 10.5" in the 2.2 classonce fixed yes
- You must run a complete body, bumpers, including fenders, doors & tailgates. Some fender trimming is allowed but the basic shape must be retained.body, yes, bumpers no, but the 1:1 doesn't have them, is that ok?
- A shortened or lengthened body is allowable. A tubed bed must have a functional bed area capable of carrying a full-size spare laid flat (rear fender and tailgate rules to not apply to tubed beds).Does it have to haul a spare?
- No 4 wheel steer or rear steer at all! if you have more than 2 axles, the FRONT axles are the ONLY ones that can steer.check
- No " DIG " of any kind is allowed.check
- Wheelbase is limited only by your body, and must fit in your fender wells.check
- Vehicle must have a frame-railed chassis. Tubed frame rails are ok.would that be considered tube frame rails?
- Vehicle wheelbase needs to fit within the fender walls of the body.check
- Vehicle battery must be mounted on the chassis. You cannot mount the battery above the steering servo/axle/upper links. The goal is to place the battery where it is not visible for a more scale appearance.check
- Vehicle must run a full approved body. Fenders may be cut, but it must resemble a 1:1 rig you'd see on the street. "Iffy" Vehicles must be approved by the other MTRCRC members.I guess we have to ask MTRCRC
- You may add weight to your wheels, but you are only allowed a maximum of 12 TOTAL oz's. You can put it in whichever wheels you want, but 12 oz is the total.check

[Unimoger]

Originally Posted by jason

So if I put 2.2 wheels on this and made sure it was narrow enough, could it run in the 2.2 class?

so did you buy this rig and you are asking if you can run it? if so and you fix it to the 2.2 scale class rules, yes it can run.

[jason]

Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

True, but with all the references to a body, I think it would be safe to say that the vehicle needs to be based off of a production type body. That's why I could see allowing a PSC Bruiser, but not a Campbell buggy. The Bruiser is at least "roughly" based off a Jeep.

So this "TJ" would be allowed.



but this "Liberty" wouldn't?



What about this "Cherokee"?



What about this "FJ"?

[jason]

Originally Posted by Unimoger

so did you buy this rig and you are asking if you can run it? if so and you fix it to the 2.2 scale class rules, yes it can run.

No I didn't buy that rig, but I am looking to build something very specific, and don't want to spend a bunch of time and money building something and then being told it won't fly.

[Grizzly4x4]

Originally Posted by Unimoger

I am not trying to be a prick, I just want rigs that are "trail rigs " not rigs that are comp rigs, that's all.

While I understand where yer coming from on the comp rig thing, seems to me like a replica of Dan Dibble's ASM buggy fits into the scale comp thing.

Maybe it would fit within your goals to say that "tube buggies, truggies, etc, must have a hood and bed area that extends over the axles".

[Unimoger]

This ran last year and is 100% legal.

[jason]

I understand that, but it has frame rails.