02-01-2013, 01:03 PM | #1 |
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| Lift for 2.2s?
I wanting to upgrade to 2.2 on my honcho . Not really wanting to cut the body TO MUCH , I know its a must to some degree , but also wanted to look into a lift to help out . I'm hearing the level 3 lift is good but causes axle lift under torque . Would getting longer shocks be a better choice ? I'm not wanting crazy lift, but enough not to cause binding or rubbing issues . I'm alod understanding that when lifting it put the pinion angle off and longer links and needed on the bottom or vise verse shorter links on top.. Anyone have a tips on doing this ? Or recommended parts to make this easier and still have the performance .. Thanks . |
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02-01-2013, 01:22 PM | #2 |
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| Re: Lift for 2.2s?
What tires are you currently running? If you don't want to do much trimming you may want to just stop at the size of some of the larger 1.9 tires. You would also save some cash from not having to buy new wheels. If you are currently running Ripsaws or Flat Irons the 1.9 Iroks would be a nice jump up in size without going overboard. They are a bit wider too. Even bigger 1.9's are the Baja Claws at 4.75", but I have read that performance is lacking unless you are up for cutting some of the lugs out of the tread. Another big 1.9 are the TSL Boggers at nearly 4.8". If you have some material, drill bits, extra screws you can fab up some basic lift brackets in no time. You mentioned a set of longer shocks, that's an option too, but at the other end of the cost spectrum. Maybe something like 110mm shocks, plus some trimming would do the job. The 2.2 wheels/tires will be significantly heavier and wider, so you can get away with a little bit of lift without giving up much in the center of gravity/stability department vs. your current setup. You can check your pinion angle ahead of time. Just take the shocks off which will allow the axle to drop further. You can see what the angle is like, as well as seeing at what point the links bind. You want to make sure that with whatever length shock you go with, you can use the available travel without binding. Drop the axle a couple cm further than the stock shocks allow, check the angle, and spin the drive train to check for binding. It helps to pull the pinion off the motor shaft so you can really "feel" what's going on. Last edited by 05Fronty4x; 02-01-2013 at 01:26 PM. |
02-01-2013, 02:07 PM | #3 |
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| Re: Lift for 2.2s?
Thanks, currently I'm running 1.9s with flat irons, wanting to go to a 2.2 with mud slingers. I guess I should check the o.d of 1.9 mudslingers see if I gain and ground Clearence there. I do more trial mud type terrain than rock so I'm really wanting a highly aggressive tire, the mud slinger looks to be more aggressive than the boggers. Also wanting a alloy beadlock to add just a little weight I'm ordering below all at once so wanting to get what I need right the first time ( or as close as possible ). Kinda trying to get my ducks in a row before ordering 2.2 alloy wheels , I think I've decided with mayhem engineering ... But now may stick with 1.9 ( depending ) Alloy c-hubs and all steering components. Alloy rear hubs Alloy links 35t motor Wireless winch And possibly front and rear bumpers. Rear shock relocation kit ( depending on performance research) And front panhard bar kit ( depending on performance research) Scale alloy shocks sized to fit my needs I know with out a doubt trimming will haft to be done , just trying to avoid having to do to much . Thanks for the help . Ill prolly read this a few times befor making up my mind and with out a doubt do the research . |
02-01-2013, 02:15 PM | #4 |
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| Re: Lift for 2.2s?
You could raise the body, use longer rod ends on your shocks, use longer shocks, or any combo of the 3 to clear bigger tires if you don't want to make or use shock brackets.
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02-01-2013, 02:19 PM | #5 |
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| Re: Lift for 2.2s?
I thought abut that , but not fond on the looks with the open gap between the body and chassis. Ill prolly end up going with longer shocks and adjusting the links to make the pinion angle good to go .
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02-01-2013, 02:20 PM | #6 |
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| Re: Lift for 2.2s? I agree, I didn't know if you had room to go up with the body without creating a visable gap.
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02-01-2013, 02:36 PM | #7 |
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| Re: Lift for 2.2s?
P.s . Correction.. I'm currently running the ripsaws not flat irons on this rig. Sorry about that
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02-01-2013, 02:41 PM | #8 | |
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| Re: Lift for 2.2s? Quote:
No, I tried it last night and found out it has a horrible gap , lol.. Well I did a few searches on all the tires, found the 1.9 slingers and smaller that what I'm running now. So it looks like I will be going to 2.2s and slingers.. Also something I learned the 1.9 slingers don't have the side lugs like a 2.2 does.. Wonder why that is.. By in the end I think with what I'm doing to/with my rig the slingers aggressiveness will be the best bet for me , I may get a set of something in 1.9 size to keep on side in case I wanna run a more scale look as well.. Who knows lol | |
02-01-2013, 02:54 PM | #9 |
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| Re: Lift for 2.2s?
The Mud Slingers are pretty small tires for their respective rim sizes. The 1.9's are only 3.66" tall according to rc4wd.com (edit: looks like you found this out, haha), so if you are set on those tires you definitely need to go with 2.2's @ 4.88" tall. Weighing in at 4.25oz. each + alloy beadlocks you will certainly gain a bit of un-sprung weight down low which is always nice. You are probably looking at something around 8oz. per tire/wheel combo vs. your current 4-5oz combo. Remeber to drop a tooth or two on your pinion. It's definitely a give and take situation. I just made a small jump from the stock Ripsaws to Trepadors on my Dingo. I had the body trimmed along the bottom of the front and back to sit as low as I could on the bumper posts (sides only a mm or so from the sliders). Simply jumping up to the Trepadors forced me to do some light trimming to the flares and front bumper corners and raise the body 2 holes, and this is after I had mounted the fender flares as high as possible (a few mm higher than stock) and spread them open a wee bit from the get go. It did look pretty cool though before raising the body with the Trepadors only 1/2" at most from the top of the fenders at ride height with massive down travel, but the rubbing was terrible. I realize we are talking about 2 completely different bodies, but the point is that even a relatively small jump up in size can induce scissor/x-acto blade madness, lol. Granted I am running a 50/50 droop setup, but my goal was to maintain full travel without cranking the shocks up. I personally don't like the looks or handling of a fully sprung setup. |
02-01-2013, 04:52 PM | #10 | |
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| Re: Lift for 2.2s? Quote:
My goal is to maintain full travel as well and have a med. soft suspension to take the it and twist to the terrain as well a the somewhat little crawling I do. Thanks I didn't think about dropping a tooth and pinion gear . That help with the torque on the bigger wheels ? | |
02-01-2013, 05:19 PM | #11 |
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| Re: Lift for 2.2s?
Yup, you'll want a smaller pinion to maintain the same overall drive ratio. The added weight and tread aggressiveness also make it a good idea. There's no harm in going too small, but too big can cause the motor to burn out prematurely, and decreased run times. I'm not sure what motor and power setup you are running, but those 2.2 Mud Slingers are going to require a bit more power to keep up the wheelspeed vs. the smaller/lighter 1.9 Flat Irons.
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02-01-2013, 09:56 PM | #12 |
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I had the 2.2 mudslingers on my old honcho and a level3rc lift cleared these tires with no cutting of the body. I didn't needed to have the lift on the max setting and everything cleared and no drivetrain binding. Oh, and stock shocks. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD |
02-02-2013, 10:33 AM | #13 | |
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Thanks , I was hoping someone would see this tread that had used the lift and could Shedd some light on that .. | |
02-02-2013, 10:35 AM | #14 | |
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02-02-2013, 03:26 PM | #15 |
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The travel actually increased. Stock the tie rods would hit the frame and the links would hit the receiver box mount. When the suspension lift is on it doesn't hit much anymore and increases travel some. NOTErized! |
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