Poison spyder bumper issue
 

I just installed the swing out tire carrier onto Buster and I am having some issues with it. the entire bumper flexes and sags away from the body. Did I miss something during assembly or is this normal?
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On the JK there is a post that connects top the main roll cage...

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This is normal of that bumper. Its due to the weight of the spare tire.

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Since Buster was a dingo how would I attach the upper bar to the body? Also if the upper bar is fixed how does the tire carrier swing out?

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There is a body clip that attaches the tire mount and keeps the tire from swinging out. Looks like you'll have to get creative to attach it.

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Have you tried fixing a strong magnet to the inside of the body? Right where the hole of the screw that secures the tire to the carrier would be? Maybe the magnetic force will somehow pull the head of the screw towards the body? Good luck.

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Does your spare have weight in it?

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I'm going to give the magnet idea a try if I can't come up with a solution to mount an upper bar. And no the spare tire doesn't have weight in it. The plastic wheel that it is on is considerably lighter than the stock bead lock.

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Looks like I may have the same issue once I get a tire for mine, let us know what you find out. Thanks

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The stock dingo rear bumper mount is much thinner and smaller than the one that comes with the poison spyder bumper. On my dingo I changed out the mount and bumper and have had no problems.

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you can see here how the poison spyder bumper mount is reinforced to take the extra weight

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Thanks for posting that, it puts my mind at ease. Mine is the Poison Spyder bumper mount

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I hope you guys have all the luck with just the JK mount but I know on my JK's that when the clip was out, the carrier would sag down. A big contributor to the thicker bumper mount is that it's set up to accept an Anti-Sway bar.

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mine does that but when you clip it to the cage it holds it upright...

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The Vanquish SCX10 JK Rear bumper mount solves the problem of the bumper mount twisting from the weight of the spare tire.

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It's not really the bumper mount flexing, its the spare mount flexing.

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I just change the amount out to the poison spyder unit and it is still flexing. I am going to have to figure out how to attach the upper tire mount to the body. Unfortunately the magnet idea was not strong enough to hold the tire in place. Any ideas for a removable brace so that the tire carrier can still open?

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You could try running a longer screw through the body into the spare mount which hold the tire on. Then to get the boddy off just unscrew the tire mount wingnut and slide it out.

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You could also try to brace it with some aluminum. just trying to think outside the box.

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I had an aluminum brace on my last swing out tire carrier. It ran from the rear bumper crossmember to the bumper itself. It was strong but my only complaint was that it look out of place. Plus I'm leary of drilling into that new bumper that just came out of the package. I have been working on the magnet idea and may have it working now. I need to take Buster out and test the strength of the magnet before I call it a success. Any other ideas about a brace would be greatly appreciated.

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What kind of magnet did you use? There are a couple of magnet types that comes to mind that I would try out:

1) Go to your local hardware store and check out the catch magnets. They are used to prevent cabinet doors from swinging out on their own. They come with a metal plate and magnet. I think they go for about $1 each. Downside they aren't really that strong. Maybe grab pair just to double up the effect.

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2) Get a magnetic aquarium glass cleaner. These are very strong as they designed to hold up a magnet on the outside of 3/8" thick glass. I assume you may not need to take the actual magnet out of the plastic housing to make it effective. The only downside to these are the can be pricey over $20 in some cases.

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I used a small round neodymium magnets. It came in a six pack from Harbor Freight for $3. I'm going to let the CA dry overnight before I test it.

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Oh ok. You should be better off since neodymium magnets are stronger than the ones I mentioned.

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The magnet idea was a fail. Even the neodymium magnet couldn't hold the tire carrier close to the body. I noticed that the plastic on the poison spyder bumper is much softer than the stock dingo bumper. If the new bumper was molded from a more reinforced nylon blend it may hold up to the tires weight better. For now I am still trying to find a way to brace the carrier that will allow the swing out tire function to still operate.

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Im stumped on this problem. I fear that i may have to build a brace to connect the bumper ro the frame similar to what Buster had before. I am not too keen on that idea since the brace ia visible once the bumper is installed. Is there anything that can be done to stiffen up the bumper, including the mounting posts?

I know money doesn't grow on trees but rc4wd makes a metal one that will most likely work better......seems like.this is a symptom of it being plastic....so the 2 options would be spend time engineering a solution or buy a metal one that doesn't sag


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Just drill a hole in the body. That is how it is on the JK kits and I know it sounds nuts, but you're really never going to be using the tire carrier in the open position. Ever. You may for a photo or two but that's it. Mount it semi permanently and then you only need to open it when the body comes off.

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You could try to attach a tube to the body that has a inside diameter just larger than the tire carrier. Then tap 1 side and attach to body, while drilling 1 hole for body clip to attach to the tire carrier. Maybe reinforce the body with a piece of lexan in that area. Shoe goo works great for that!"thumbsup"

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I woulg go this route (and did on my clod bodied mud truck) but since the bumper mounts to the frame rails and not to the body, i don't want to have to disassemble the carrier each time the body comes off for a battery change or maintenance. it worked great on my mud truck though. Thanks for the tip.

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Ok, I just mounted my tire and I had a tiny bit of sag so I took the little adjustable post thingy that came with my bumper set-up and cut a notch out of it. Then mounted that to my body. Now when the bumper tire carrier is closed I just snap the piece on my body onto the head of the screw that holds the tire on, I just leave enough room for it to snap over the screw: Here is a video:
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Another shot

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From the top

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Ok, after running this ^ around for a while it's not really a soulution. Trailing it's fine but getting into the rough it can come loose. Maybe if I made the cut lower it would hold better....

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Demodude, i like that mount. Is it available on the same parts tree as the bumper?

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I got the bumper from a member already put together so I'm not sure. Maybe someone can chime in on that. The portion that goes into the drilled hole has a hole for a body clip. I've tightened things up a bit and it seems to be working just fine

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Well done!

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I tried doubling up the magnets but they are still too weak. I may try to fab an aluminum brace after my hand heals and my cast comes off. Broke my fifth metacarpal in half and broke the bone on the side of my hand in nine places. They call it a boxer's fracture.

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OMG...

Ream a hole in the rear body panel or window. Screw the spare to the body using the existing hardware. Take the swing arm off the bumper. Now you can lift the body off normally and the spare is that much closer to the COG of the truck. 8)

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Well i see the orthopedist tomorrow for more xrays and to see if the cast can come off. Hopefully i can get some work done on Buster by this weekend. I really want to get him running and get some pics as the leaves fall.

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Unfortunately im still in a cast for another 3 weeks. Xrays showed that the fractures are healing, but they are still brooken. I may try to use one magnet epoxied to the carrier in conjunction with the one on the body to get a stronger hold between the two. If that doesnt work then i will look into hard mounting the carrier, but i really want to keep its functiomality if at all possible.