question about 3 Link / CMS / Panhard Conversion Kit

[urnot2brightru]

Thinking about buying this vanquish kit since I need links and want a cms anyway. Tired of having the servo hit the frame rails when flexing and with as much as I go in water it would be a good idea to have the servo up higher not to mention it look's much better. I've looked at video's and pictures and haven't really got any answers. My concern is how much does it effect or limit flex? I'am running the stock axial icon shocks ( thinking about picking up a set of 4" shocks for more droop ). I've read that it limits flex and was just curious of peoples opinions that have this set up, the hand bro's or the new rc4wd cms with panhard. Does it actually limit the flex? does it bind at all?

[Louisbaby]

With all due respect dude, use the search tool. I typed in CMS under the Axial SCX10 section and got 154 hits. Its been explained over and over again.

CMS is more for scale looks than for functional improvements...

[ev0l]

I'd say it limits flex very little if at all...on my rig.

[SwampDawg]

ive had the cms on both my scx10 and wraith at one point...never again!
i never cared for it especially on a wraith where it is mounted on a plastic tube setup. lol

i like my servo mounted on the axle where it sits solid without flex limitation.
or better....bumpsteer!

[kaneohecrawler]

The ONLY variable that limits articulation is shocks and the travel that any given shock provides.... its nothing to do with where your servo is mounted or if 3 or 4 link.. people need to stop giving out bad info...

If in you cms/panhard setup, the links hit stuff put bends in it to keep it from hitting something.. most common are frame rail and top of pumpkin... bending any link has no affect on functionality. The end points of said link are still in the same place reguardless of the links shape...

[alpine4x4]

A properly setup 3-link with panhard and cms setup has very little to no bumpsteer and zero flex limitations. The RC4WD cms kit has worked extremely well for me. No flex limitation. No bumpsteer. You need the panhard and drag link to be parallel and the same length for proper geometry. I have had no ill effects going from axle mount to cms.

I had flex limitation with my servo hitting the frame rails before cms, no limitation now.

[ToyZuki]

Like stated above. Cms is 5 scale points and if properly setup has 0 bump steer. When bending links for clearance remember each bend shortens the link a little and you may have to unthread it a little to compensate. Also keep in mind that most every kit is designed for stock knuckles. Adding histeer knuckles changes the link mount points of the rod your trying to parralel. Adding 0 Ackerman knuckles changes the length of the rod your trying to match in length. Rolling your axle to create caster or correct pinion angle effects the parralel. Not everyone understands the mechanical engineering of steering geometry and that's where the "it doesn't work" feedback comes from. Very soon I will be releasing my bolt on cms kit that has multiple panhard mounting options to correct your bump steer no matter what knuckles your running.

[kaneohecrawler]

Im just tired of people who have no clue what they are talking about, say to new people, that cms and or 3 link limits articulation... cause it doesnt.... at all...

I personally dont give a crap about articulation. it gets you in trouble more often than not. My rigs always have less than 4.25" of lift on any given tire for C2 and its on purpose. My C1 rigs have even less. And its a proven recipe...

Flex isnt everything guys. The sooner you figure that out youll be amazed at how well your rig can perform.


Rant over.

[alpine4x4]

Originally Posted by kaneohecrawler

Im just tired of people who have no clue what they are talking about, say to new people, that cms and or 3 link limits articulation... cause it doesnt.... at all...

I personally dont give a crap about articulation. it gets you in trouble more often than not. My rigs always have less than 4.25" of lift on any given tire for C2 and its on purpose. My C1 rigs have even less. And its a proven recipe...

Flex isnt everything guys. The sooner you figure that out youll be amazed at how well your rig can perform.


Rant over.

This whole section is full of garbage misinformation. It really needs a sticky at the top with links to threads with proven information on topics such as CMS/3link, "First Upgrades" with explanations as to why you need to upgrade transmission gears if you upgrade to metal driveshafts, etc.

[Meatwad]

Limited articulation is a good thing, have a look in the comp section... rear sway bar is all the rage now.

However, a properly setup 3link/cms doesn't limit suspension articulation and causes no bumpsteer. If you favor performance over scale then keep it on the axle, it's easier and cms is for looks only. Flex like it's '04

[ToyZuki]

and points if you compete

[urnot2brightru]

Originally Posted by Louisbaby

With all due respect dude, use the search tool. I typed in CMS under the Axial SCX10 section and got 154 hits. Its been explained over and over again.

CMS is more for scale looks than for functional improvements...

yes, that lovely use the search phrase. I have searched, read, and watched. most threads are years and years old and usually aren't too informative.



I realize flex isn't everything. I'm not trying to turn 6 inch shocks and have massive flex. I just want to keep what I have right now and not lose it. I know the cms is more for looks but having the servo up on the frame will be better for me as I go in water quite often. I just wanted to get a little input befor dropping 115$ on the kit. I don't do any comps although some day I would like to get into that.

[alpine4x4]

Originally Posted by urnot2brightru

yes, that lovely use the search phrase. I have searched, read, and watched. most threads are years and years old and usually aren't too informative.



I realize flex isn't everything. I'm not trying to turn 6 inch shocks and have massive flex. I just want to keep what I have right now and not lose it. I know the cms is more for looks but having the servo up on the frame will be better for me as I go in water quite often. I just wanted to get a little input befor dropping 115$ on the kit. I don't do any comps although some day I would like to get into that.

If you set up the cms so the panhard and drag link are parallel and the same length you will have no issues at all. The RC4WD kit is done this way.

[khj94704]

Originally Posted by ToyZuki

Like stated above. Cms is 5 scale points and if properly setup has 0 bump steer. When bending links for clearance remember each bend shortens the link a little and you may have to unthread it a little to compensate. Also keep in mind that most every kit is designed for stock knuckles. Adding histeer knuckles changes the link mount points of the rod your trying to parralel. Adding 0 Ackerman knuckles changes the length of the rod your trying to match in length. Rolling your axle to create caster or correct pinion angle effects the parralel. Not everyone understands the mechanical engineering of steering geometry and that's where the "it doesn't work" feedback comes from. Very soon I will be releasing my bolt on cms kit that has multiple panhard mounting options to correct your bump steer no matter what knuckles your running.

The adjustability in your bolt on (I'm taking this to mean no drilling, perhaps boring out a hole on the chassis rails) kit sounds good, are you going to have a version that works with the shorter Dingo wheelbase?

[urnot2brightru]

Originally Posted by alpine4x4

If you set up the cms so the panhard and drag link are parallel and the same length you will have no issues at all. The RC4WD kit is done this way.

I was looking at the rc4wd kit with panhard but since I need new links anyways i'll just snag the vanquish kit. Appreciate people's input.

[alpine4x4]

Originally Posted by urnot2brightru

I was looking at the rc4wd kit with panhard but since I need new links anyways i'll just snag the vanquish kit. Appreciate people's input.

Vanquish's kit is the bees knees, just too rich for my blood since I make any new metal links I need. I wish they would release their axle mounted panhard/3-link bracket by itself, killer design.

[allanon1965]

Mine is the rc4wd setup and i really like it...not a single issue with it...