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rojo 09-22-2011 10:32 AM

ROJO's 4WS Wraith
 
The Cliff Notes as of 7/26/12: :ror:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...C_0019wm-1.jpg


The Start:

Been fooling with this thing a little, figured might as well do a build thread on it. It was bought to trail run with, so I am looking for a reliable mix of speed and crawl-ability...

Out of the box like all the others:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/DSC_0225.jpg

The first day before even running it:

Swapped Tires (foams: CI 5.5=fr/rc4wd stock=rr), Wheels, Lower Links, Servo (5955TG), 7T Puller, RR idler in transmission, 87t spur, MIP drive shafts, 3r Radio Gear, 3s lipo, CCBEC @ 6v, and rewired everything with Bullets and Deans. Battery location left in the rear (for now).

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/DSC_0226.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/DSC_0227.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/DSC_0230.jpg


Next day the Pro-line shocks (slash ones) went on. I used the longer (slash-rear) shocks on the front. The shocks are mounted all the way back on the tower. I also used a shorter rod end on the shaft to lower it a hair more. I used the shorter (slash-front) shocks on the rear. They are mounted in the middle hole on the tower and also have a little shorter rod ends on them as well.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/ccede1b9.jpg


A few more poser shots while I was trying it out:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...oundWraith.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...undWraith2.jpg


Overall I am fairly happy with it so far. The puller gets pretty hot, so I may have to find another solution motor wise. Definitely going to need to move the batteries to the front (somewhere) as well. It has almost a 50-50 weight distribution right now. The shocks seemed to be working pretty smoothly. I am running 25wt in them with the springs they come with. The springs are a little stiff for crawling, so I ordered a few softer rate springs to play with. Still tons to do to it, but it is running for now... "thumbsup"

drzjohn 09-22-2011 11:20 AM

Looking good, where did you get the lower links from and do you have a close up pic ??

rojo 09-22-2011 11:43 AM

Thanks "thumbsup"

62Pyro made the links a while back. I got these particular ones as some extra's that he posted up in the For Sale section a year or two ago. Finally got something to put them on... :ror:

FlightInstrukta 09-22-2011 12:18 PM

Im diggin those lower links too, they look sick on a wraith!!! and even cooler that no other wraith has the same links..."thumbsup"

rojo 09-22-2011 01:14 PM

Thanks! I really like the links too. They fit the look of the Wraith great, are a huge upgrade in strength, and help to set it apart from the others "thumbsup"

Colby 09-23-2011 11:42 PM

Didn't realise you had a thread! I love the looks of your Wraith. Cannot wait to get some pictures and video with it and my bronco tomorrow! Seeya around noon! "thumbsup"

MTHead 09-24-2011 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojo (Post 3291418)
Thanks "thumbsup"

62Pyro made the links a while back. I got these particular ones as some extra's that he posted up in the For Sale section a year or two ago. Finally got something to put them on... :ror:

Now that's determination!! :ror:

They look so much better lowered, very nice.. "thumbsup"

rojo 09-24-2011 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTHead (Post 3294404)
Now that's determination!! :ror:

They look so much better lowered, very nice.. "thumbsup"

Thanks! Ran it on a hike today for a few miles and I am really starting to like it a lot. There is a lot of potential for good looks and performance in these Wraiths. "thumbsup"

Colby 09-24-2011 11:13 PM

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Wraith ran awesome today! Heres the only pic i got of it. Will get more for ya next time.

biggin69 09-25-2011 01:53 PM

Colby, Got any pics of the 7T Puller installed? I was looking at mine and did not think it would fit (lower link mount in the way).

rojo 09-25-2011 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggin69 (Post 3296407)
Colby, Got any pics of the 7T Puller installed? I was looking at mine and did not think it would fit (lower link mount in the way).

You have to notch the upper control arm mount for it to fit... I will get a few pictures tomorrow for you "thumbsup"

Desert Rc 09-26-2011 09:22 AM

I have had 3 pullers....with all the hype I have to agree with you. TOO MUCH HEAT on these motors. Long time ago this might have been the best avail but today the motors that HH has coming (torquemaster series and crawlmasters) are walking all over the performance of the old style puller. IMO

rojo 09-26-2011 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desert Rc (Post 3297688)
I have had 3 pullers....with all the hype I have to agree with you. TOO MUCH HEAT on these motors. Long time ago this might have been the best avail but today the motors that HH has coming (torquemaster series and crawlmasters) are walking all over the performance of the old style puller. IMO

They do make a bunch of heat on a 3s. But I have also never had one fail due to heat either. What I love about the 7t puller motors are the torque they put out along with the decent amount wheel speed... The trick to a puller is to gear it down on a 3s battery. You can't use the same gearing as you do on a 2s setup. A 3s (in my opinion) should not be used with the intent to increase wheel speed drastically with a puller, but rather to just increase the torque.

As far as durability goes, I put right at 11,000 mah (all 3s) through it on a hike this weekend. Every battery was back to back with little to no cool down time. Never missed a beat or let me down. The motor was hot. I am even using the stock esc (with a ccbec wired in) just to see if it could take it. So far everything is working like a champ. I also managed to spin the rear locker in the housing shearing off its "ears" in the diff case. :shock:

There are definitely better options for speed and for crawling individually, but I think the puller has its place for mix trail use. The wraith puts it at its edge just due to its shear size, but I am going to run it a while more to see if the motor can stand the high temps for extended periods of time (in my application). If not, I will order a HH crawl master with a waterproofed XL :twisted:

rojo 09-28-2011 12:08 PM

Quick update:

I cut the tires up before the last trip. Stock the 2.2 claws were marginal at best, and left a lot to be desired. They seemed too stiff for the rocks, voids were not large enough to really pull on the dirt, and the compound seemed a bit hard for everything... especially if there was even the hint of water on the ground. My solution involved a specific front/rear cut. The rears were cut to push, the fronts needed a little more rubber on them to help steer and pull...

Here is what I came up with for the front:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...DSC_0002-3.jpg

here is what I came up with for the rear:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...DSC_0001-3.jpg

Bottom line, cutting the claws makes them turn into a monster on the trail. There was a night and day difference over all terrains and conditions. Half way through the day last Saturday I managed to spin the rear locker in the housing when the both hooked up while spinning over a ledge...

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...DSC_0004-1.jpg

At first when the rear tires stopped spinning the same speed as the fronts. I didn't know if I sheared a pin at the hex, broke an axle, or spun the locker. But the famous bulge was awaiting me when I looked at the carrier in the differential. You can see it circled in red in the picture above... Also, the removable diff cover is priceless for on the trail fixes. Thanks Axial for coming up with this design! 8)

To fix this on the trail, a few friends and I came up with the below solution. It ended up holding up all day like you see it. To fix it I removed the locker and cleaned the broken ears out of the notches in the plastic carrier. Re-insert the locker in the "clocked position" and put two 3mm nuts (non-lock nuts) into the carrier as seen below. I then had to cut off the two stubs on the ring gear (with side cutters) so it would bolt back flush to the carrier.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...DSC_0006-2.jpg

It is a great trail fix to keep the fun going for the rest of the day. Just make sure you have hex drivers, pliers, a few nuts, and side-cutters in your daypack before heading out. "thumbsup"

More parts are on the way, I will update as they come in :mrgreen:

rojo 10-05-2011 07:18 AM

Parts are piling up! Shipments from Crawler Innovations and Vanquish arrived this week...

No time to install them though.... :ror:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...DSC_0023-2.jpg

More on the way from RPP, Germany, Proline, and Tower :shock:

buzzbuzzard 10-05-2011 07:49 AM

Nice! Your trail fix for the locker looks solid. Looks beefier than stock.
Sweet, I never threw away mine when they crapped out. Thanks Bro!

rojo 10-17-2011 09:35 PM

Finally got to sit down and do some work.

Under-drive gears front and rear with no-slop lockers and strc bearing caps.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/3027669c.jpg

Machined shock balls from Crawler Innovations

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/5089840e.jpg

Made a Delrin battery and electronics tray. Now all the electronics are all under the hood. "

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/255a438e.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/806bcf4f.jpg

Vanquish c's, knuckles, diff covers, tierod and drag link. HD servo horn.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/9e917419.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/8ccfcf70.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/6b3e6ee0.jpg

Vanquish SLW's. 1.35 wide, 600 hubs.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/6c6b67b1.jpg

Relocated and flush mounted rear lights.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/13b23028.jpg

Got steering? :shock: Axial universals also got installed.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/c67f6645.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/e6c93820.jpg

Still have to put in the 32P gearing and replace the last piece of plastic in the transmission. Also have to replace all the plastic flanged balls with steel for smoothness and durability.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/7de604e1.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/9660392e.jpg

I have some special tires coming. More details on that later. 8)

OntarioCrawler 10-17-2011 10:00 PM

That things looking great!

rojo 10-18-2011 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OntarioCrawler (Post 3332840)
That things looking great!

Thanks!

rojo 10-18-2011 07:39 PM

Got the transmission updated with 32p gearing and the hardened transmission gears. These 32p gears are beef! 8)

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/5bb42c88.jpg

Also swapped out the uppers with some old kamikaze links I cut down to match the stock Wraith length. While I had the chassis torn down, I also went ahead and swapped in the axial metal balls in place of the plastic ones on the links and shocks.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/b207e0c1.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/308c8edc.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/c59147c9.jpg

The delrin upper links really helped to take the rest of the suspension slop out. I think I will eventually go with all titanium links in the future, but this will work for now. "thumbsup"

rojo 10-19-2011 05:45 PM

Got the hood done today...

The parts needed:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/577579de.jpg

Took the stock hood off:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/238317f1.jpg

Close up of the hood pins:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/3c0c8089.jpg

Drilled out holes and threaded the pin studs in:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/a7322549.jpg

Hood teamed out to fit pins:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/a911d4d6.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/7e03e492.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/38ff12ef.jpg

Mounted the rear clamps:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/c403e467.jpg

Mod cost about $5 and is a must if you run a battery up front. So much easier!

OntarioCrawler 10-19-2011 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojo (Post 3335941)
Mounted the rear clamps:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/c403e467.jpg

Mod cost about $5 and is a must if you run a battery up front. So much easier!


Hope you dont mind if i steal that idea. Traxxas slash battery hold down pins?

part #?

rojo 10-19-2011 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OntarioCrawler (Post 3336010)
Hope you dont mind if i steal that idea. Traxxas slash battery hold down pins?

part #?

3727, I think it is the battery hold down parts for a stampede.

I stole the idea from someone else, so have at it. :ror: "thumbsup"

OntarioCrawler 10-19-2011 06:35 PM

alright. ill pick some up tomorrow. can you get the wire clamps at the hobby store too? ive never seen small ones like those.

rojo 10-19-2011 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OntarioCrawler (Post 3336038)
alright. ill pick some up tomorrow. can you get the wire clamps at the hobby store too? ive never seen small ones like those.

I got mine at Home Depot. Its a 1/4" plastic wire loom clamp found in the electric section with the wire ties, etc...

AR Fabrication 10-20-2011 05:31 PM

I'm really digging your rig. I am in the process of converting to a front mount battery and want to know what batteries you are running. More specifically the dimension and capacity.

rojo 10-20-2011 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Rat (Post 3337959)
I'm really digging your rig. I am in the process of converting to a front mount battery and want to know what batteries you are running. More specifically the dimension and capacity.

Largest I can fit like it is set up now is 40mm x 40mm x 75mm. The batteries i run are a hair smaller than that. They are cheapo "mystery" lipos (3s) with 1500mah capacity. I am going to eventually swap for something with a little more C- rating as these are slowly starting to go out one by one. Several vendors sell lipos on rcc. I also recommend Hobby King if you want cheaper ones. Just be ready to do some soldering and have plenty of time to wait on shipping if you use them. "thumbsup"

rojo 10-20-2011 07:04 PM

Put new Dinky Cowl Hood on today... Also made front inner fenders... "thumbsup"

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...11020-1711.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...11020-1711.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...11020-1712.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...11020-1745.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...11020-1745.jpg

Pdog7 10-21-2011 09:45 AM

I got the proline shocks installed but feel like the stock springs are a little stiff. Are you using the stock springs or did you get the tuning pack?

rojo 10-21-2011 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdog7 (Post 3339037)
I got the proline shocks installed but feel like the stock springs are a little stiff. Are you using the stock springs or did you get the tuning pack?

Right now the stock ones are on it. The tuning kit came in today for them, though, so I will report back on how the new spring rates work. "thumbsup"

On a side note, we need to get a Southeast Wraith GTG planned...:mrgreen:

rojo 10-24-2011 06:46 PM

The Proline shock tuning kits came in a few days ago. I dropped the primary spring down a rate to blue. You can see the steel gauge is a bit smaller.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/5adb4759.jpg

I also got around to getting the upper shock mount shimmed with a few O-rings. The mounts are 5mm machined balls by Jeepin Doug.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/bc07af71.jpg

Also picked up a set of 2.2 Proline TSL's to get me rolling for a while. I used CI foams in them. These things bite hard. I am really impressed with them.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/38fdb6bf.jpg

A few shots before I gave it a good shake down this afternoon.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/17e9fb05.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/29be0540.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/fe3e0e1f.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/b6b7d730.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/f0f20543.jpg

A few after I had a chance to run the bugs out of it... Lol

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/279a7644.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/27bceb5c.jpg

Driving impressions:

I love the new lockers and universals. Amazing steering. No drivetrain slop. It gives you a ton more control as well as reliability and consistency.

I love the new 32p trans gearing with under drive gears. Temps seemed to stay cooler, lots of beef for abuse.

I also really am impressed with the shock setup now. Night and day difference from the stock spring rate. No more random suspension unloading anymore, seems a lot more consistent and smooth as well.

Judging by my experience today, I wouldn't change a thing on any part I have put on it. "thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup"

j-bird 10-25-2011 02:55 AM

i like what ya did with it..keep it simple and replace the critical stuff first instead of going for looks b4 performance...nice work keep it up

revo au 10-25-2011 04:24 AM

Great build, i'm going to follow a few of your mods on mine."thumbsup"

rojo 10-25-2011 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j-bird (Post 3345189)
i like what ya did with it..keep it simple and replace the critical stuff first instead of going for looks b4 performance...nice work keep it up

Thanks! Don't have to make it look too different yet, not many Wraith's in the RCA (Rock Crawlers of Atlanta) group... That may change after our scale comp this weekend though :mrgreen:

In all seriousness, I don't care what it looks like near as much as I care how it drives. Building this one with a soul of a comp truck... :twisted:

I am thinking of taking the cage off the back and making some delrin kick braces to the shock mount to clean up the look a bit. Figured it would save some weight and bulk too. You forget how big these things are until you try to get under a ledge or somewhere else tight. :ror:

Quote:

Originally Posted by revo au (Post 3345207)
Great build, i'm going to follow a few of your mods on mine."thumbsup"

Thanks! "thumbsup"

1beatjeep 10-29-2011 10:54 AM

hey
Bye chance what rims are you running?

stricker76 10-29-2011 11:34 AM

SLW V3

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojo (Post 3332766)
Vanquish SLW's. 1.35 wide, 600 hubs.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/6c6b67b1.jpg


chevytrucks44 10-29-2011 12:41 PM

nice looking wraith"thumbsup" i have one also love them looking for and scx10 now or cc01 for my 1.9 rig:mrgreen:

rojo 10-30-2011 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stricker76 (Post 3352440)

Yep "thumbsup"

Quote:

Originally Posted by chevytrucks44 (Post 3352524)
nice looking wraith"thumbsup" i have one also love them looking for and scx10 now or cc01 for my 1.9 rig:mrgreen:

Thanks!




Updated a few things before the trail comp RCA had yesterday...

First, I got DMG to make me a custom set of front shock towers. They are sized for the longer Proline Powerstroke shocks that I use up front. I wasn't happy with them laid back, so I stood them as straight up as possible. It really paid off with a lot more stability and predictability off camber (at the cost of a little travel... But totally with it IMHO). I LOVE the new feel up front now. I also dropped the smaller upper spring down a rate alt all corners as well. :thumbsup:

New mounts:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/9ec3ead3.jpg

Comparison to stock:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/12da11bc.jpg

Before relocation:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/0058adca.jpg

You can see how vertical they now sit. I was playing with the wheelbase in this pic, so they are still angled back a bit... Now they sit almost perfectly verticle (took about a 1/8" of wheelbase out after this pic was taken...). Unbelievable how stiff the front is now as well... it really took a ton of chassis flex out of the front end.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/84a9d655.jpg

This of course changed the way I could access the battery, so I redid the electrics again up front.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/90da5854.jpg

While I was digging into the wiring, I added a few accessories... In the past I powered the servo with a bec through the receiver. Cheapbatterypacks came out with a nifty harness that bypasses the receiver and sends power straight to the servo. They are cheap, and work great. I got two, one for the front... one for future use out back.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/932843c3.jpg

Both bec's wired in:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/e6d9ae6e.jpg

Almost ready to go:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/da0911de.jpg

A Dynamic Concepts 72 blazer body came in the mail yesterday. Stay tuned!

crawlski 10-30-2011 03:37 PM

That hood mod that you came up with is a great idea! And the shock mounts poking out of the hood is looking killer. Nice job"thumbsup"

rojo 10-30-2011 10:36 PM

The body came out of the box and underwent the knife. :shock:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/9b7133ac.jpg

Got the hood fitted up and trimmed:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/127cd1e5.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/db9a2ab4.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/21e7a1c4.jpg

Sides trimmed and fitted:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/d0975451.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/c4903f90.jpg

Rear end mocked in as well...

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...y/eabfd296.jpg

I'm going to do a diamond plate facia over the stock rear corners. For paint it will be a black and/or white paint job. Simple and clean. "thumbsup"


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