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Harley 09-29-2011 11:19 AM

Harley's Wraith Sportsman
 

Crawlapalooza is coming up in just over a week. We will be running a Sportsman class as well, which is just like 2.2 but is for shaftys only and no dig allowed. I built a bad ass sportsman a couple years ago but yesterday I decided if I was going to go through all the work to get it going again I might as well do something all new and awesome 8)

So at 4:00 yesterday afternoon I decided I was going to do it, and it had to be a AR60 axle base. So while this truck will not resemble a Wraith at all, it will have started as one.

Here we go...

Harley 09-29-2011 11:31 AM

Axles

I had to make a lot of quick decisions and phone calls. I don't have time to do a bunch of fabricating in order to get this thing done. I started at the axles, I already have a set of stock axles from my second Wraith so that is the base. Then I rang up Steve at Vanquish...

XR10 Knuckles, C's hubs, Knuckle Weights, Lockouts, Servo Guard, Ti Drag link and Ti Tie-rod



http://www.vanquishproducts.com/xr10...-knuckl10.html
http://www.vanquishproducts.com/xr10...ion-c-h10.html
http://www.vanquishproducts.com/vp-i...rvo-armor.html
http://www.vanquishproducts.com/wrai...-lockouts.html
http://www.vanquishproducts.com/wraith-ti-tie-rod.html
http://www.vanquishproducts.com/wraith-drag-link.html
http://www.vanquishproducts.com/xr10...le-weig10.html

Next call went to Kevin at TCS to pick up the parts I don't already have.

Axial underdrive rear gears, Axial overdrive front gears, Junfac driveshafts, I'll be using the stock HD lockers for now, and hopefully have some Axial Universal joints before the comp too :shock:


http://www.tcscrawlers.com/On-Sale-3...2-p-17254.html
http://www.tcscrawlers.com/Axial-Rac...1-p-17253.html
http://www.tcscrawlers.com/Junfac-Ha...2-p-18242.html

Harley 09-29-2011 11:31 AM

Chassis and Suspension

Next choice was chassis and suspension. While I was bugging Steve I figured I would ask if they still had some Incision's still around. Lucky for me they did! So after getting some info on the skid plate that it uses I threw it into a model in Solidworks so I could check some link lengths. I want to use Vanquish's Ti links they have available for the Wraith, and again, lucky me they work out about perfectly 8)

Click the pictures to go to the product pages


http://www.vanquishproducts.com/vp-p...0-chass10.html
http://www.vanquishproducts.com/wrai...per-links.html
http://www.vanquishproducts.com/wrai...wer-links.html

Then again back over to www.TCScrawlers.com to snag the shocks I wanted. Some Traxxas Big Bores Long's were my choice.


http://www.tcscrawlers.com/Traxxas-H...0-p-17899.html

Harley 09-29-2011 11:31 AM

Rolling Stock

Vanquish Wheels are an obvious given. I have yet to see anyone give the VP a run for their money on wheels. 8)

Another set of SSZ's will be slapped on, because I love some bling'ed out wheels :afro:




Mounted to those will be a set of Losi Boss Claws from www.TCScrawlers.com and at this point my foams are undecided.


Harley 09-29-2011 11:31 AM

Power

Again, some quick decisions and phone calls and my stuff is on the way.

First I called John at Holmes Hobbies. We talked for a minute and decided on the 13 turn Crawlmaster with Checkpoint end bell. These motors are so smooth, I can't wait to see how it does in this rig. To push the Crawlmaster we went with a BRXL and threw in a Castle BEC for good measure.

http://holmeshobbies.com/images/P/CM-PRO-detail.jpg

http://holmeshobbies.com/images/P/BRxl-detail.jpg

http://holmeshobbies.com/files/d_56.jpg


The batteries I'll be using are from Hobbypartz.com and are 3s 450 GenAce packs. I have been running these in my XR10 and have had good results.

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-6219634..._2176_57110560

Harley 09-29-2011 11:31 AM

Control

Futaba. We all know why 8)

This servo is 514 oz/in and has a speed of 0.11 seconds! :twisted:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/291d92c1.jpg

Make it all work together will be my Futaba 4PKS with a Futaba 614 RX.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/f11a01ad.jpg


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/b18ae8c7.jpg

jdawg53 09-29-2011 11:32 AM

I built a bad ass sportsman a couple years ago

:lmao::lmao:

Harley 09-29-2011 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdawg53 (Post 3303559)
I built a bad ass sportsman a couple years ago

:lmao::lmao:

Don't be jealous.... :flipoff:

XDR 09-29-2011 11:59 AM

Harley,

I thought that you couldn't run the overdrive and underdrive gears at the same time? That the gear ratio is too far off that it causes a bind, ie breakage..

Drail 09-29-2011 12:02 PM

gonna be a killer rig...as allways with your builds"thumbsup" Drail

Harley 09-29-2011 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XDR (Post 3303605)
Harley,

I thought that you couldn't run the overdrive and underdrive gears at the same time? That the gear ratio is too far off that it causes a bind, ie breakage..

It's not a good idea in a rig that goes fast as there is a lot of bind. A comp rig is a little different of course. The gear sets will cut my turning radius WAY down and give a dig like effect when climbing. I ran this setup before and loved it.

PipeDreams 09-29-2011 12:07 PM

Have you had good results with the junfac shafts? Better or worse then mip? Haven't seen them much so I was curious

Harley 09-29-2011 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PipeDreams (Post 3303621)
Have you had good results with the junfac shafts? Better or worse then mip? Haven't seen them much so I was curious

I have ran them in my Sportsman before and they did fine, just need locktite on assembly like everything else. I have not tried them in a high stress situation like the Wraith or a TTC rig though.

PipeDreams 09-29-2011 12:17 PM

Cool thanks for the info.

DRCrawlGood 09-29-2011 12:19 PM

Surprised it took someone this long to try these axles in a sportsmen setting.

hoghead5150 09-29-2011 12:28 PM

what was the part number on those junfac driveshafts? will they fit a stock wraith??

mjderstine 09-29-2011 12:31 PM

the files arent opening in the control department...

wondering if that motor is a bit to high speed. it will definitely have all the power you ever needed. and wheel speed.

just being curious i suppose.

i have a cobalt 13t motor, and that thing was as fast as a MM 4600 brushless.

Harley 09-29-2011 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRCrawlGood (Post 3303639)
Surprised it took someone this long to try these axles in a sportsmen setting.

I hadn't seen one yet but I'm sure they'll start popping up soon with the new seasons starting up.

Harley 09-29-2011 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoghead5150 (Post 3303657)
what was the part number on those junfac driveshafts? will they fit a stock wraith??

You can click on any picture in this thread and it will link you to the part and where to get it. I have not used them on a Wraith so they may be stretched a little far. However Junfac has longer shafts available.

Harley 09-29-2011 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjderstine (Post 3303663)
the files arent opening in the control department...

wondering if that motor is a bit to high speed. it will definitely have all the power you ever needed. and wheel speed.

just being curious i suppose.

i have a cobalt 13t motor, and that thing was as fast as a MM 4600 brushless.

A 13t Crawlmaster is much different then a 13t Cobalt. The Crawlmaster motors are a 5 slot are instead of a traditional 3 slot arm. So this motor will be close to the equivalent of a 27t traditional handwound, only MUCH smoother down low.

mjderstine 09-29-2011 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley (Post 3303693)
A 13t Crawlmaster is much different then a 13t Cobalt. The Crawlmaster motors are a 5 slot are instead of a traditional 3 slot arm. So this motor will be close to the equivalent of a 27t traditional handwound, only MUCH smoother down low.


good to know. someone like me woulda thought i could just plop a 13t right in my 2.2 and go.

all that down low control is always a good thing.:lmao:

Harley 09-29-2011 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjderstine (Post 3303698)
good to know. someone like me woulda thought i could just plop a 13t right in my 2.2 and go.

all that down low control is always a good thing.:lmao:

Throwing in a regular 13 turn would likely just result in a big cloud of grayish blue very smelly smoke... :ror:

mjderstine 09-29-2011 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley (Post 3303708)
Throwing in a regular 13 turn would likely just result in a big cloud of grayish blue very smelly smoke... :ror:


agreed, no way i would be able to gear it even close to correctly for the rpms of that motor.

chicklet 09-29-2011 01:05 PM

Like I said this morning...can't wait to see this beast!

Mini 09-29-2011 01:06 PM

Is it done yet??? lololol

helhedded 09-29-2011 01:09 PM

When the wraith first came out I thought that the axles would be really cool for a sportsman rig. I'm glad you got started with one and I'll be looking forward to checking it out in Disney.

Harley 09-29-2011 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicklet (Post 3303717)
Like I said this morning...can't wait to see this beast!

It's going to have to be a quick one, not a bunch of time to think about it!

Harley 09-29-2011 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mini (Post 3303718)
Is it done yet??? lololol

You going to throw one together for the event? :flipoff:

Harley 09-29-2011 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helhedded (Post 3303723)
When the wraith first came out I thought that the axles would be really cool for a sportsman rig. I'm glad you got started with one and I'll be looking forward to checking it out in Disney.

I thought the same thing, this will be a good start I think. I have really enjoyed the sportsman class in the past, this should help spark that again.

ittybitty 09-29-2011 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley (Post 3303679)
You can click on any picture in this thread and it will link you to the part and where to get it.

I may be doing this wrong...but I don't think you can do that now that RCC lets you click on an image to view it fullsize. When I click on the images in Google Chrome or IE it simply opens the image in a popup within the current screen.

Harley 09-29-2011 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ittybitty (Post 3303778)
I may be doing this wrong...but I don't think you can do that now that RCC lets you click on an image to view it fullsize. When I click on the images in Google Chrome or IE it simply opens the image in a popup within the current screen.

You know what, I forgot about that! Eff....

I'll post the links.

BC Racing 09-29-2011 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley (Post 3303752)
I thought the same thing, this will be a good start I think. I have really enjoyed the sportsman class in the past, this should help spark that again.


Well isn't that a beotch...I start kick'n arse this year, and now you build this.

Harley 09-29-2011 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BC Racing (Post 3303834)
Well isn't that a beotch...I start kick'n arse this year, and now you build this.

Haha, awe you know you want the competition! :lol:

Matt.k 09-29-2011 03:19 PM

You know that in most competitive circles if you are a sponsored driver you are not allowed to compete in a sportsman class.... I'm just sayin'

Matt.k 09-29-2011 03:20 PM

where do I sign up for this sportsman class?

Harley 09-29-2011 03:29 PM

Yeah the "Sportsman" denotation could maybe be a little off. Call it a Shafty class then :lol: And let's also not confuse my sponsorships to have anything to do with driving skill! We all know I'm a hack at that!

Well there is our good 'ol local club that you can come play along with. I'm sure you'd be super excited for a vacation to Missouri...

TURTLE 09-29-2011 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley (Post 3303956)
And let's also not confuse my sponsorships to have anything to do with driving skill! We all know I'm a hack at that!


I can vouch for that!:lmao:

Harley 09-29-2011 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TURTLE (Post 3303986)
I can vouch for that!:lmao:

:flipoff:

:lmao:

Mini 09-29-2011 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley (Post 3303747)
You going to throw one together for the event? :flipoff:


Am still recovering from vegas :shock::roll::lmao:

But the wraith build will be up soon."thumbsup"

Almighty Malach 09-29-2011 05:24 PM

Hows the width with those wheels?


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