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ScaleFreak93 · 10-05-2011, 12:06 AM

Something new from CKRC that looks like it may be fairly effective not to mention has a bada** name

Anyway here is the link CKRC's Suicide Switch Steering Upgrade Kit (Wraith) [ck180020] - $31.99 : CKRC Crawlers, RC Rock Crawlers I may order one and do a review

DiEzel · 10-05-2011, 12:16 AM

Am i the only one that see's this for $32 ?

drzjohn · 10-05-2011, 01:03 AM

Good idea, but most of us will have the parts/skills to make that kit up for a lot less $$$$$

buzzbuzzard · 10-05-2011, 07:07 AM

Looks very interesting. Will that setup increase or decrease the amount of torque applied while turning? Meaning, Will my servo work harder. Or make easier for it to turn. Or no effect? This setup would successfully allow the use of a servo savor. Which would improve handling at higher speeds!
Yes, I do understand that would take away the ability to crawl.

lagz2point0 · 10-05-2011, 07:17 AM

Great idea. Glad I made mine from all thread, extra rod ends, and stainless tubing for sleeves. Already had everything.

sent from my on the go rcc updater.

XDR · 10-05-2011, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DiEzel

Am i the only one that see's this for $32 ?

VPs setup is around $27 with titanium. Interesting setup though.

Harley · 10-05-2011, 08:12 AM

There is a reason we don't use a setup like that. A tie-rod keeps the wheels turning the same amount (percentage of throw as distance depends on Ackerman). Two drag links does not accomplish that. To prove that, try and attach another drag link to the other side of you standard setup. I think you will see ill effects at speed.

buzzbuzzard · 10-05-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Harley

There is a reason we don't use a setup like that. A tie-rod keeps the wheels turning the same amount (percentage of throw as distance depends on Ackerman). Two drag links does not accomplish that. To prove that, try and attach another drag link to the other side of you standard setup. I think you will see ill effects at speed.

So, One side will start turning before the other side. Not syncronized?
Is that because of the slop in the ball joint? Which would cause a delay?

Harley · 10-05-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzbuzzard

So, One side will start turning before the other side. Not syncronized?

No it has to do with the arc of the servo horn. The effect is most noticeable at the end of the steering throw.

buzzbuzzard · 10-05-2011, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Harley

No it has to do with the arc of the servo horn. The effect is most noticeable at the end of the steering throw.

Bummer, Thanks Bro. Almost had a solution for me needing a servo saver.

strap624 · 10-05-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Harley

No it has to do with the arc of the servo horn. The effect is most noticeable at the end of the steering throw.

Most of that effect could be counteracted with a longer servo horn, but then again longer servo horn= less torque for steering. But in this application I don't think we have room for a longer horn or we will be hitting the diff cover.

buzzbuzzard · 10-05-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by strap624

Most of that effect could be counteracted with a longer servo horn, but then again longer servo horn= less torque for steering. But in this application I don't think we have room for a longer horn or we will be hitting the diff cover.

Same reason I can't use a servo saver. Clearance of the diff. The saver won't clear the tie rod. Can't move the tie rod.

Harley · 10-05-2011, 08:45 AM

I see absolutely no reason to use this.

buzzbuzzard · 10-05-2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Harley

I see absolutely no reason to use this.

Indeed Harley. There is no need for servo saver. The tension from the saver won't allow the wheels to turn at slow speeds. Or at all while at idle. I have experianced this in my trials. However, I have no plans of crawling with my RTR Wraith. I'm gonna get the kit and start over for that. The Wraith I have now. I have plans to put a front indepenant suspension. Straight axle at high speeds=violent wrecks

. Having saying that. I still need to use the Stock diff.

JeremyH · 10-05-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Harley

Two drag links does not accomplish that.

Agreed. I tried a setup like this long ago on my AX10 and it was horrible! The steering is not consistent at all throughout the cycle.

Harley · 10-05-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JeremyH

Agreed. I tried a setup like this long ago on my AX10 and it was horrible! The steering is not consistent at all throughout the cycle.

Yeah I tried it on my Berg for one comp in 2008 and realized it was terrible.

Harley · 10-05-2011, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzbuzzard

Indeed Harley. There is no need for servo saver. The tension from the saver won't allow the wheels to turn at slow speeds. Or at all while at idle. I have experianced this in my trials. However, I have no plans of crawling with my RTR Wraith. I'm gonna get the kit and start over for that. The Wraith I have now. I have plans to put a front indepenant suspension. Straight axle at high speeds=violent wrecks

. Having saying that. I still need to use the Stock diff.

I wasn't referring to the servo saver, I see why people use those. I was just saying I see no benefit at all of running this CKRC steering kit.

skid · 10-05-2011, 09:28 AM

If the servo arm went up instead of down, you would actually see a good effect from the ackerman created. As is, it going to be toed in while turning. Fail, and x2 for the price!

2500hdon37s · 10-05-2011, 09:31 AM

you could make that for less than 1/3 of the price.

IMO ckrc, just say no.

buzzbuzzard · 10-05-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Harley

I wasn't referring to the servo saver, I see why people use those. I was just saying I see no benefit at all of running this CKRC steering kit.

To elimanate the drag link. Allow better clearance of the diff.

10-05-2011, 12:06 AM	#1
ScaleFreak93 RCC Addict Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Bozangeles Posts: 1,484	Suicide Switch Steering Something new from CKRC that looks like it may be fairly effective not to mention has a bada** name Anyway here is the link CKRC's Suicide Switch Steering Upgrade Kit (Wraith) [ck180020] - $31.99 : CKRC Crawlers, RC Rock Crawlers I may order one and do a review

10-05-2011, 07:07 AM	#4
buzzbuzzard Pebble Pounder Join Date: May 2011 Location: Port st. lucie Posts: 162	Looks very interesting. Will that setup increase or decrease the amount of torque applied while turning? Meaning, Will my servo work harder. Or make easier for it to turn. Or no effect? This setup would successfully allow the use of a servo savor. Which would improve handling at higher speeds! Yes, I do understand that would take away the ability to crawl. Last edited by buzzbuzzard; 10-05-2011 at 07:22 AM.

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10-05-2011, 12:16 AM	#2
DiEzel RCC Addict Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Alpine,CA Posts: 1,258	Am i the only one that see's this for $32 ?

10-05-2011, 01:03 AM	#3
drzjohn Rock Crawler Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Derbyshire UK Posts: 623	Good idea, but most of us will have the parts/skills to make that kit up for a lot less $$$$$

10-05-2011, 07:17 AM	#5
lagz2point0 Pebble Pounder Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: schererville Posts: 169	Great idea. Glad I made mine from all thread, extra rod ends, and stainless tubing for sleeves. Already had everything. sent from my on the go rcc updater.

10-05-2011, 08:12 AM	#7
Harley 20K Club Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sending illegals home one Hayabusa at a time. Posts: 22,981	There is a reason we don't use a setup like that. A tie-rod keeps the wheels turning the same amount (percentage of throw as distance depends on Ackerman). Two drag links does not accomplish that. To prove that, try and attach another drag link to the other side of you standard setup. I think you will see ill effects at speed.

10-05-2011, 08:45 AM	#13
Harley 20K Club Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sending illegals home one Hayabusa at a time. Posts: 22,981	I see absolutely no reason to use this.

10-05-2011, 09:28 AM	#18
skid Rock Crawler Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: in a basement in Kalispell, MT Posts: 857	If the servo arm went up instead of down, you would actually see a good effect from the ackerman created. As is, it going to be toed in while turning. Fail, and x2 for the price!

10-05-2011, 09:31 AM	#19
2500hdon37s I wanna be Dave Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: sittin in the sky Posts: 4,630	you could make that for less than 1/3 of the price. IMO ckrc, just say no.

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