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Bansh88 · 03-07-2013, 07:10 PM

Im strictly crawling with my Wraith. It currently has an Axial 20T motor. I think it works pretty damn good.
If I put in a 27, 45, 55T motor is it really more torque? power? Would I notice an increased crawl ability?
I'm running 87/14 gearing

IM still brand new to crawlers so I only know what I have.

crawler nut · 03-07-2013, 07:16 PM

Yes you'll gave more torque. But if you get a 27t Holmes Hobbies torque master you'll have speed and torque.

throttlejock27 · 03-07-2013, 07:29 PM

Will make a huge difference. I'm running a Holmes 35t

Cheatin · 03-07-2013, 07:31 PM

Bigger parts bill.

Bansh88 · 03-07-2013, 07:31 PM

Axial 55T is less than $20. Is there a downside to that high turns?

Bansh88 · 03-07-2013, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheatin

Bigger parts bill.

Itll start tearing up drivetrain? I get twisted up pretty bad as is. Havent broke anything so far with my 20T

Pita · 03-07-2013, 07:39 PM

I have my Wraith setup for crawling only...

Parts include:

Axial 87 Tooth Spur Gear
Axial 14 Tooth Pinion Gear
Tekin FXR ESC and 35 Turn Motor (Crawler System)= Freakin AWESOME !!!
Torque went through the roof with the gear swaps.

This setup crawls really slowly. Its like my old Jeep TJ with 4.56 gears in low range and Atlas Transfer case.

k7zpj · 03-07-2013, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bansh88

Im strictly crawling with my Wraith. It currently has an Axial 20T motor. I think it works pretty damn good.
If I put in a 27, 45, 55T motor is it really more torque? power? Would I notice an increased crawl ability?
I'm running 87/14 gearing

IM still brand new to crawlers so I only know what I have.

If it is working good for you, I would do things like moving the battery forward, adding/tuning weight and steering mods first.

If you are ready to look at different motor options, then also check the HH Crawlmaster 13T. The 5 slot arm produces really smooth low speed crawling. A 13T Crawlmaster is about the same speed as the 27T TorqueMaster.

throttlejock27 · 03-07-2013, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bansh88

Axial 55T is less than $20. Is there a downside to that high turns?

That would be really slow with your gearing but it will work. That motor won't last forever though compared to a Holmes or other popular brand

Bansh88 · 03-07-2013, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k7zpj

If it is working good for you, I would do things like moving the battery forward, adding/tuning weight and steering mods first.

If you are ready to look at different motor options, then also check the HH Crawlmaster 13T. The 5 slot arm produces really smooth low speed crawling. A 13T Crawlmaster is about the same speed as the 27T TorqueMaster.

I just put weighted XR10 wheels on with Sedonas and CI foams. HUGE improvement. I know my motor is old and that motors are fairly inexpensive.
Looks like I'll keep an eye out for a Holmes

Cheatin · 03-07-2013, 09:53 PM

LOLZ, just bustin' your ballzderdashesshh man, besides the RTR cost is just the buy in, next is to replace it with all new shit. Then, repeat over and over....

Roland5color · 03-20-2013, 07:44 AM

Only had my wraith a few weeks but I'm running a 17.5 Orion brushless motor that I use to run in my 2wd buggy. I have it geared 16/87 and it has plenty of grunt and even a little speed.

ROLANDROCKSHOP · 03-20-2013, 08:09 AM

Higher turn# more torque, less Rpm
Lower turn# more Rpm,less torque

@30-35t on 3s is a decent combo for crawlability and a lil wheelspeed
when needed.

JohnRobHolmes · 03-20-2013, 08:32 AM

Motors faster than about 2100kv (27t torquemaster type) produce less torque because of brush saturation with standard copper brushes. Sealed can motors lose torque a bit earlier from the cheaper brush compound. Anything 27t or slower will have great torque.

03-07-2013, 07:10 PM	#1
Bansh88 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Julian, CA Posts: 339	What to expect from bigger turn motor? Im strictly crawling with my Wraith. It currently has an Axial 20T motor. I think it works pretty damn good. If I put in a 27, 45, 55T motor is it really more torque? power? Would I notice an increased crawl ability? I'm running 87/14 gearing IM still brand new to crawlers so I only know what I have. Last edited by Bansh88; 03-07-2013 at 07:20 PM.

03-07-2013, 07:16 PM	#2
crawler nut RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: paradise Posts: 1,354	Re: What to expect from bigger turn motor? Yes you'll gave more torque. But if you get a 27t Holmes Hobbies torque master you'll have speed and torque.

03-07-2013, 07:29 PM	#3
throttlejock27 Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: rochester, mn Posts: 579	Re: What to expect from bigger turn motor? Will make a huge difference. I'm running a Holmes 35t

03-07-2013, 07:31 PM	#4
Cheatin Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: No Cajones en El Cajones Posts: 495	Re: What to expect from bigger turn motor? Bigger parts bill.

03-07-2013, 07:31 PM	#5
Bansh88 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Julian, CA Posts: 339	Re: What to expect from bigger turn motor? Axial 55T is less than $20. Is there a downside to that high turns?

03-07-2013, 07:39 PM	#7
Pita Quarry Creeper Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Cottage Grove MN Posts: 200	Re: What to expect from bigger turn motor? I have my Wraith setup for crawling only... Parts include: Axial 87 Tooth Spur Gear Axial 14 Tooth Pinion Gear Tekin FXR ESC and 35 Turn Motor (Crawler System)= Freakin AWESOME !!! Torque went through the roof with the gear swaps. This setup crawls really slowly. Its like my old Jeep TJ with 4.56 gears in low range and Atlas Transfer case.

03-07-2013, 09:53 PM	#11
Cheatin Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: No Cajones en El Cajones Posts: 495	Re: What to expect from bigger turn motor? LOLZ, just bustin' your ballzderdashesshh man, besides the RTR cost is just the buy in, next is to replace it with all new shit. Then, repeat over and over....

03-20-2013, 07:44 AM	#12
Roland5color Newbie Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Central city Posts: 32	Re: What to expect from bigger turn motor? Only had my wraith a few weeks but I'm running a 17.5 Orion brushless motor that I use to run in my 2wd buggy. I have it geared 16/87 and it has plenty of grunt and even a little speed.

03-20-2013, 08:09 AM	#13
ROLANDROCKSHOP I wanna be Dave Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: roland,ar Posts: 5,981	Re: What to expect from bigger turn motor? Higher turn# more torque, less Rpm Lower turn# more Rpm,less torque @30-35t on 3s is a decent combo for crawlability and a lil wheelspeed when needed.

03-20-2013, 08:32 AM	#14
JohnRobHolmes owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down! Posts: 20,290	Re: What to expect from bigger turn motor? Motors faster than about 2100kv (27t torquemaster type) produce less torque because of brush saturation with standard copper brushes. Sealed can motors lose torque a bit earlier from the cheaper brush compound. Anything 27t or slower will have great torque.

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