VP ackermann steering or factory setup

[eastside]

Getting the wraith kit soon. There is some confussion on my part about ackermann (racing) TI tie rod from VP. I'm going to use this wraith for 80% trail and crawling with a 35T 3s FXR setup so I'm thinking I would just get the factory length TI rod from VP.

I would not really call this a "racing" or high speed setup. So I just go with the factory length VP tie rod and not the ackerman 90 (racing) tie rod ? Whats the opinion out there?

I'm planning on using the VP stage 1 setup. Would the VP tie rod (stock length) clear the factory axial rims. I'm trying to keep the cost down, and using the factory wheels for now.

Thanks!

[crawler nut]

Racing ackerman allows the outer tire to turn sharper than the inner tire, which creates better handling at speeds. The 0 ackerman is designed so both tires turn the same, which is what you want for crawling.

The stock wheels will not work if you have vp or any other after market aluminum knuckles and the vp tie rod. You will just have to clearance the inner lip of the wheel a bit though and they'll work. Or just get some wheels.

[TSK]

Originally Posted by crawler nut

Racing ackerman allows the outer tire to turn sharper than the inner tire, which creates better handling at speeds. The 0 ackerman is designed so both tires turn the same, which is what you want for crawling.

The stock wheels will not work if you have vp or any other after market aluminum knuckles and the vp tie rod. You will just have to clearance the inner lip of the wheel a bit though and they'll work. Or just get some wheels.

This is incorrect information, "true Ackerman" or the racing Ackerman as VP calls it is actually when the INSIDE tire turns sharper than the outside, because in reality, the inside wheel always runs a tighter path of travel than the outside wheel does. The problem is that VP does not state that the racing Ackerman arms need to be mounted in a BTA fashion to provide correct Ackerman steering geometry.

For crawling, you typically want zero Ackerman, which the stock VP setup provides. True Ackerman or racing Ackerman will provide more stable high speed handling as it reduces the twitchiness zero Ackerman geometry will cause at speed.

Ackermann steering geometry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[eastside]

Thanks for the clarification. It was confusing what VP product I was looking for. I've never really though about zero ackerman or racing ackerman and the differences in handling at different speeds.

[evan03]

Dinky setup. Best steering out there. Will need to possibly build your own drag link

[TSK]

Originally Posted by evan03

Dinky setup. Best steering out there. Will need to possibly build your own drag link

The Dinky mount has nothing to do with Ackeman related steering geometry, so I'm not sure why you mention it.