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bilinvic 07-24-2017 10:29 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
MMP = Mamba Max Pro ESC

I used VP titanium Wraith length lower links to clear the rear DMG "cab wall" section.

I would recommend using the stock Wraith skid, it works better than anything and slides over rocks with minimal friction.

Motorider 08-03-2017 10:36 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Bill, I see that you have switched back to a traditional link setup in the rear. What was the reasoning and is the performance better or worse for crawling? Im looking to get a stiffy kit myself and was curious if I should order TA SK over the Stump back? Thanks for the insight as always.

azTony 08-03-2017 11:04 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorider (Post 5734051)
Bill, I see that you have switched back to a traditional link setup in the rear. What was the reasoning and is the performance better or worse for crawling? Im looking to get a stiffy kit myself and was curious if I should order TA SK over the Stump back? Thanks for the insight as always.
See my inquiry on post #397 and his reply at #398 "thumbsup"

bilinvic 08-03-2017 07:04 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorider (Post 5734051)
Bill, I see that you have switched back to a traditional link setup in the rear. What was the reasoning and is the performance better or worse for crawling? Im looking to get a stiffy kit myself and was curious if I should order TA SK over the Stump back? Thanks for the insight as always.
Just a few replies up is my reasoning. Now that I have had my Wraith with both trailing arms and traditional 4 links...it really is hard to tell what's better. There's more articulation with TAs but I'm an anti-articulation kinda guy!!! :roll: Too much is definitely not needed and makes for poor performance....that being said, stiffer shocks, shock set-up and limit straps controls how much articulation you want dialed in.
Without a doubt, I would recommend a DMG TA set-up if that's what you want. Get Jerry to add sway bar mounts too...I wish I would have!

Motorider 08-03-2017 08:28 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilinvic (Post 5734237)
Just a few replies up is my reasoning. Now that I have had my Wraith with both trailing arms and traditional 4 links...it really is hard to tell what's better. There's more articulation with TAs but I'm an anti-articulation kinda guy!!! :roll: Too much is definitely not needed and makes for poor performance....that being said, stiffer shocks, shock set-up and limit straps controls how much articulation you want dialed in.
Without a doubt, I would recommend a DMG TA set-up if that's what you want. Get Jerry to add sway bar mounts too...I wish I would have!
Thanks for the fast response bill. I think I will go with the TA setup and I can always revert back as you did. The only thing to note is that the stump back for traditional links has more shock adjustments. Not sure if it's even needed. I currently have no trailing arms and I was planning to request the sway bar mount.

Also do you think you would have also had him fab up a light bar mount/cage?

Thanks again.

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bilinvic 08-03-2017 09:50 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
NP Motorider. Maybe you can ask Jerry to add some more material on the upper shocks mounts (rearwards) to give you more options if you do go back to 4 link vs. TA. Personally, I have no issues using the TA upper shock mounts and the shocks are not angled way too far.

As you can see, I used a modified plastic Axial light bar mount and it takes a boatload of abuse and it's lighter than metal which is keeps the CG down.

azTony 08-04-2017 06:29 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
I have been looking at the shock mounts also and asked Jerry if I can get more than 2 holes, I will see what he has to say. I also wanted a light bar mount but he said that comes with a roof which will cover the skull so that was out. I will look at the plastic mounts like you did.

I sent you a PM asking about the trailing arm lengths since I have nothing to measure from as a starting point. I want to make sure I get the right arms.

I am ready to order my arms, shocks and axles but need to get everything correct when I order.

Motorider 08-04-2017 11:08 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by azTony (Post 5734341)
I have been looking at the shock mounts also and asked Jerry if I can get more than 2 holes, I will see what he has to say. I also wanted a light bar mount but he said that comes with a roof which will cover the skull so that was out. I will look at the plastic mounts like you did.

I sent you a PM asking about the trailing arm lengths since I have nothing to measure from as a starting point. I want to make sure I get the right arms.

I am ready to order my arms, shocks and axles but need to get everything correct when I order.
So I talked to Jerry, and he is out of the skulls for a while. He said his cnc guy can be slow. I will be using the same setup as bill for the lights. Guess I'll just have to wait for my stiffy kit.



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Motorider 08-04-2017 11:09 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilinvic (Post 5734271)
NP Motorider. Maybe you can ask Jerry to add some more material on the upper shocks mounts (rearwards) to give you more options if you do go back to 4 link vs. TA. Personally, I have no issues using the TA upper shock mounts and the shocks are not angled way too far.

As you can see, I used a modified plastic Axial light bar mount and it takes a boatload of abuse and it's lighter than metal which is keeps the CG down.
Hey Bill, what width of a light bar will work with that mount? I'm looking at the onetoomanyrc bars. Thanks.

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azTony 08-04-2017 11:29 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorider (Post 5734410)
So I talked to Jerry, and he is out of the skulls for a while. He said his cnc guy can be slow. I will be using the same setup as bill for the lights. Guess I'll just have to wait for my stiffy kit.



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You "talked to Jerry"? How do you do that? My only contact is Facebook Messenger which takes forever

Motorider 08-04-2017 11:36 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by azTony (Post 5734417)
You "talked to Jerry"? How do you do that? My only contact is Facebook Messenger which takes forever
He lives in the Kansas city area. Heads our KCRC club. Great person. I; however, am in Dallas texas and just used Facebook. I lost his number when my phone drowned. [emoji25] horrific swimming accident.

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bilinvic 08-04-2017 08:59 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by azTony (Post 5734341)
I sent you a PM asking about the trailing arm lengths since I have nothing to measure from as a starting point. I want to make sure I get the right arms. I am ready to order my arms, shocks and axles but need to get everything correct when I order.
No PM received azTony.

BMRC TA lengths are listed here: Trailing Arms for Custom Suspensions, Blue Monkey RC

Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorider (Post 5734410)
So I talked to Jerry, and he is out of the skulls for a while. He said his cnc guy can be slow. I will be using the same setup as bill for the lights. Guess I'll just have to wait for my stiffy kit.
Bummer.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorider (Post 5734411)
Hey Bill, what width of a light bar will work with that mount? I'm looking at the onetoomanyrc bars. Thanks.
The RC4WD lightbar I am using is 106mm wide. The Axial mount opening is 114mm wide.

azTony 08-04-2017 09:27 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Well that really sucks! I wrote a long message asking about the length that is defined as the "twin hammer length" since they list 4 different lengths and their kit does not give a length. Since I have never built one of these before, I was trying to prevent buying parts that are wrong. If the trailing arms are too long or too short that would effect the pinion angle since the upper arms will determine that geometry.

I checked my sent PM messages and it does not show I sent the message so apparently it was lost in cyber land. :shock:

bilinvic 08-04-2017 09:50 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Perhaps going with Wraith length would be best, but you can easily alter the length by changing the rod ends from Revo length to Jato length or custom cut Jato length to your needs. I would recommend the RPM rod end equivalents as they are stronger. Same with the upper links, to ensure your pinion angle is perfect, change the rods ends or custom cut them to suit your preference.

smog 08-19-2017 06:36 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Hey Bill, What make are the Posts that your body clips are attached to? They look much better than what I am getting at my LHS.

bilinvic 08-19-2017 06:44 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
These are what I use for the hood:

Pro Line Body Mount Secure-Loc Cap Kit

https://www.prolineracing.com/images...ts/6070-02.jpg

84yoda 08-19-2017 07:51 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Another option, full aluminum and much smaller: JConcepts Battery Hold Down Wrench Nut Black (4) | TowerHobbies.com

http://blog.jconcepts.net/wp-content...60-2_800px.jpg

bilinvic 08-19-2017 08:15 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
I've seen those...but I believe the threaded rods are smaller than the P-L's...therefore my existing holes would be too big!!!!

84yoda 08-19-2017 09:50 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
There 4-40 so just a hair smaller then 3mm PL uses.

mikemcE 08-19-2017 09:53 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
I run them on my wraith and Yeti .....not one lost yet!
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9f14528d22.jpg


Hang up and Drive

azTony 08-20-2017 06:17 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilinvic (Post 5739806)
I've seen those...but I believe the threaded rods are smaller than the P-L's...therefore my existing holes would be too big!!!!
Do they come with the threaded rods? I only shows 4 cap being included

84yoda 08-20-2017 06:50 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by azTony (Post 5739876)
Do they come with the threaded rods? I only shows 4 cap being included
Includes:

(4) Thumbwashers
(4) Set screws
(4) O-Rings*

mikemcE 08-20-2017 07:09 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 84yoda (Post 5739884)
Includes:



(4) Thumbwashers

(4) Set screws

(4) O-Rings*


Not the proline, he's talking the JC


Hang up and Drive

84yoda 08-20-2017 11:41 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Oh, ya just the caps included. All you need is a 4-40 grub screw or if both sides are open, you can use a 4-40 button head screw with a mini nut. That's what I did on my bombers.

azTony 08-24-2017 08:44 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
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What did you use to mount the lights in the rear? I have looking for some type of mount that will go around these tubes and have not found anything

bilinvic 08-24-2017 09:47 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
I used clamps that come with the Axial Universal 5 Bucket Light Bar Set.

TAMELESSTGR 10-19-2017 02:34 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Amazing, do you ever go back and look at where it all started?

bilinvic 10-19-2017 08:13 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
I have...this Wraith is what got me into RC crawling. It's been a long learning process, but I think I have it down pretty good now!!! lol

bilinvic 02-25-2018 10:11 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
It's been a really long time, but I finally got my DMG Wraith out for 5.5 hours of hard core crawling out on the rocks today. I forgot how great this rig is and capable it has become.

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OzarkCrawler 02-27-2018 04:06 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Love that Wraith brother bilinvic, really great photo quality.

bilinvic 03-07-2018 09:11 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
No updates, just a few pics that someone requested.

<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/40683911581/in/album-72157682732498833/" title="DMG_Wraith_12"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4785/40683911581_72c9b2e656_o.jpg" width="1200" height="640" alt="DMG_Wraith_12"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/39788692635/in/album-72157682732498833/" title="DMG_Wraith_11"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4796/39788692635_80f6842cc9_o.jpg" width="1200" height="611" alt="DMG_Wraith_11"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ltd.yfz 03-08-2018 02:20 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Hey bilinvic, is there a reason you didn't do the tummy tuck mod? Just curious as I'm building my wife a wraith and was planning on do it, ordered the emeryworx rails.

bilinvic 03-08-2018 08:26 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
To be honest, I'm not really familiar with the tummy tuck mod. To me, it appears the center of gravity is raised which isn't desirable IMHO.

DukeMinnix 03-08-2018 11:04 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilinvic (Post 5808980)
To be honest, I'm not really familiar with the tummy tuck mod. To me, it appears the center of gravity is raised which isn't desirable IMHO.
Thanks for the pics, I appreciate it. Just one of the many reasons I love this community, all help one another out and take the next step. Is that the crawler innovations delrin electronics tray modified in your underhood?

bilinvic 03-08-2018 11:14 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Your welcome.

No, I fabbed the battery tray from some ABS sheet.

bilinvic 04-09-2018 10:53 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
New wheels for the DMG Black Pearl Wraith.

Vanquish KMC 2.2 XD127 Bully wheels
RC4WD Goodyear Wrangler MT/R tires
CI Double Deuce foams
LURC acorn wheel studs

<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/27473960328/in/album-72157682732498833/" title="DMG_Wraith_16"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/811/27473960328_160cda9261_o.jpg" width="1200" height="827" alt="DMG_Wraith_16"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/156142005@N05/40450253675/in/album-72157682732498833/" title="DMG_Wraith_17"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/881/40450253675_e2efd4ec76_o.jpg" width="1200" height="664" alt="DMG_Wraith_17"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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allanon1965 04-09-2018 01:23 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
looks good Bill, but your left side tires are backwards...unless you intended them to mount that way..... the big lugs go to the outside"thumbsup"

bilinvic 04-09-2018 01:31 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
Thanxs allanon1965....but the big (double) lugs are on the outside on both sides.

allanon1965 04-09-2018 03:21 PM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
my bad, its hard to tell lol....

durok 04-10-2018 01:04 AM
Re: bilinvic's Wraith Rock Crawler
 
The asymmetric MT/R's strike again!

Lookin' kickass!


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