Roc 412 in wraith compared to brushed

[rcmedic]

I'll put my pro4 HD against your puller all day. I can out run, and out crawl you. I have atleast 3 times your torque outpit

[12stepRC]

Ohhh sorry medic i misread your 2nd to last post I thought you said (I don't know who persuaded you into thinking you CAN crawl with a sensored tekin motor.) So I was like wuuutttt?¿ but I read it right now haha

[JohnRobHolmes]

I've never been overly impressed with two and four pole brushless motors, except in the power and wheelspeed they can create without worry of brush wear. Sensored outrunners are close to creating the absolute control of a brushed setup, but nothing can beat a handwound brushed motor in feel when you need precision.


Crawling and slow jog trailing? Brushed is overall cheaper and will offer a lot better control during inclined situations.

[12stepRC]

Well brushed is already the direction I was heading, and of course I would buy Holmes hobbies, thanks for the input

[JohnRobHolmes]

If you do get brushless, choose a 4 pole if the budget allows. They do offer better control than two pole. By the same token, 14 and 10 pole outrunners like we are developing do an even better job.

[12stepRC]

Ok so the honest unbiased truth is that brushed motors have more torque and control ? Or not ? And john, is there any other way to order motors from hh, because my computer is blocking your website saying it has malicious content, wtf ?

[JohnRobHolmes]

send us an email to orders at holmeshobbies.com and we can process it for you.


torque with control, brushed is the ticket. Power and long term wear, brushless has that. Torque is plenty from brushless but the control and low speed finesse isn't as refined. Again, except for sensored outrunners which are not quite to market. I practically run Revolver S motors in all my scale/trail rigs unless I'm testing or running in mud. Mud calls for inrunners with sealed cans.

[12stepRC]

And you sell those right? I haven't really looked closely into your website and your products

[12stepRC]

And I can't even get onto your website, at all

[JohnRobHolmes]

We offer all types, but it's kinda hard to see when your browser won't let you huh.

[12stepRC]

Yea... very haha.

[sic1to]

Originally Posted by rcmedic

I'll put my pro4 HD against your puller all day. I can out run, and out crawl you. I have atleast 3 times your torque outpit

Nope sorry!!! As you see JRH has spoken but don't listen to him he prob knows nothing??? Lol what a clown!!!(maybe faster but that's it)You might wanna know difference before ya start sayn dumb shit like brushless crawlin better than brushed.

[12stepRC]

I don't recall him ever saying that brushless was ever better that brushed at crawling

[12stepRC]

That was rc medic not JRH...

[sic1to]

JRH prob forgot more about motors than rcmedic & myself will ever know that's why I ask somebody that knows!!! I run HH motors in all my rigs.

[12stepRC]

What ?¿ you just said JRH has no clue what he's talking about and now your saying he knows more than both of you ?

[rcmedic]

If you're trailing, get the 1800 gear it about 11/56 and run 3s. It'll have low speed grunt, plus some wheel speed

[rcmedic]

John knows more about motors then I'll ever know, I'm just tellnig you from persional expirence. Anyone who has never owned a top notch brushless system will preach brushed, and vise versa. Comming from someone thats owned both. I won't ever run anything but a tekin sensored motor, and a mambamax pro in and of my rigs.

[sic1to]

Originally Posted by 12stepRC

What ?¿ you just said JRH has no clue what he's talking about and now your saying he knows more than both of you ?

That was sarcasm bro! Just so ya know!!! I'm not tryin to have a pissin contest with anyone on here but fact & opinion is a difference!

[12stepRC]

Ok, thanks for clearing that up because I couldn't tell if you were serious or not haha