axial wraith with 3500kv high tourque brushless system

[Monster1234]

Hi I'm wanna know if my axial stock will handle a 3500kv brushless system with everything stock if not ehat do i upgrade to be able to run it with no worries

[DrDiff952]

That is a little high for crawling. I wouldn't go above 2800kv-3200kv range.

You will break stuff but have fun until you do.

[Monster1234]

Originally Posted by DrDiff952

That is a little high for crawling. I wouldn't go above 2800kv-3200kv range.

You will break stuff but have fun until you do.

So maybe I should just stay with a brush motor I'm on tight budget okaii now do uk what the best motor is for wheelspeed and tourque

[DrDiff952]

A 3S 50C-60C LiPo will wake up any brushless. I like the Texas E-Max motor. Decent tork and speed.

[Harley]

Originally Posted by Monster1234

So maybe I should just stay with a brush motor I'm on tight budget okaii now do uk what the best motor is for wheelspeed and tourque

Read the motor and ESC guide at the top of the Wraith forum page. It covers exactly what you're asking.

[DrDiff952]

DO NOT run the stock gearing

[evan03]

To me 3500 kv means the rig will have a, fast top speed and not much power and youl be fighting hot temps.

1800 to 3000 max.

All depends on what kind of rig your building a good 2100 km motor will crawl very good but then throw rooster tails in the sand on high voltage

Good luck this stuff is all confusing and will take time to learn. Read Harleys guide for ideas but don't get scared when it's confusing.

[Harley]

Originally Posted by evan03

To me 3500 kv means the rig will have a, fast top speed and not much power and youl be fighting hot temps.

1800 to 3000 max.

All depends on what kind of rig your building a good 2100 km motor will crawl very good but then throw rooster tails in the sand on high voltage

Good luck this stuff is all confusing and will take time to learn. Read Harleys guide for ideas but don't get scared when it's confusing.

A quality 4 pole motor in the 3000 to 3500 motor will still have plenty of low end crawl as long as you are running a good sensored system. I don't run anything under 3000 KV in a Wraith and the 3300KV Pro4 or 3100KV ROC412 are the top choice of motors when looking around here.

[o0wiz0o]

If money is tight I'd stay Brushed. Any 27t motor and suitable gearing will help the Wraith last a little longer. I run 16/87 gearing on my 27t. You could use 3s to perk it up if you want more wheel speed yours has the better drive shafts. Just bear in mind this will add more stress and you may end up breaking stuff sooner.

[Maxxamillion]

Originally Posted by o0wiz0o

If money is tight I'd stay Brushed. Any 27t motor and suitable gearing will help the Wraith last a little longer. I run 16/87 gearing on my 27t. You could use 3s to perk it up if you want more wheel speed yours has the better drive shafts. Just bear in mind this will add more stress and you may end up breaking stuff sooner.

Will this apply to my new Wraith Spawn rtr also? It comes with a 20t motor. I bought a nimh battery as I have a nimh charger. Oops
I know I will have to go to lipo shortly...
Really all I want to do is go slow over the winter. TIA

[evan03]

3000 3300 does seem to be popular around here.

[mikelshrum]

I run a 3600kv sensored setup on 2s with a 87t spur and 20t pinion and stock gears with zero problems never to hot to lay your finger on has great tourqe down low and real good wheel speed to jump up stuff. That's my bash wraith but my spawn has a 13t Holmes hobbies crawlmaster expert on the stock axial ae5 with 3s 87t spur and 16t pinion and it also works great for crawling and speed

[Odd-M]

MMP with Pro4 3300 kv crawls almost as good as a brushed motor. Can't wait to try my new project with MMP and ROC412 3100 kv.

[Eric0424]

The Reedy 550-SL 4000kV and 3500kV motors have a lot of torque, will most likely be putting the 3500kV in my incoming Wraith (just ordered it from Amazon). The LRP X12L is even stronger than the 3500kV Reedy 550. The Castle 1410 3800kV 4-pole 540 has good low-end torque too, but not as much as the Reedy and LRP 550's, all are 3S rated.

I currently run a Reedy 4000kV 550-SL in my back-up SC10 4x4 and the LRP X12L 5.0 in my primary SC10 4x4. Tested the Castle 3800kv in these trucks as well. Geared a little lower than my SC10 4x4"s, they should run fine in the Wraith.

[DrDiff952]

Castle motors are sensorless. LOUSY for crawling!

[allanon1965]

I ran the the Castle 1410 3800kV 4-pole 540 in my 1.9 wraith during the mock-up/testing phase of my building it, it was a terrible cogging motor trying to crawl due to the motor being sensorless. The motor did ok as far as a basher goes, but the sensored HH BL Trailmaster 2 pole 540 blows it out of the water in a wraith or scx10 setup in my opinion. I have 2 of these motors, 1 roc412 3100kv and 1 tekin redline 13.5t as well. All are sensored and running castle MMP sensored ESC's. The HH Trailmaster has gobs of torque, it performs better than my roc412 in some respects and equal to it in others, at half the price! Holmes Hobbies will also waterproof the Trailmaster for an extra 7 bucks! Well worth it to me!

[Eric0424]

The Reedy 540/550 SL series are sensorless as well. I've never had a problem creeping around with a sensorless motor and ESC or a sensored motor on sensorless ESC. I see a lot of complaints about cogging and have to wonder what they're doing differently that will cause the motors I have to cog in similar or the exact same applications.

I'll find out soon enough if sensorless motor cogging is an issue in the Wraith. The Reedy 550-SL and SC1200 ESC will be going in after it's built and I'll see how runs before deciding on a new system for it. Might also see how the Dingo runs with the sensorless 540-SL 3300kV and SC700, it currently has a spare LRP Spin Super (sensor only ESC) and K4 10.5 in it. Haven't decided on a system for it yet either.

[greengoblin]

Im running a 4600kv brushless in my wraith dose just fine. I woud upgrade to MMP drive shafts. Im running them I would also upgrade to the axial cvd for the front end and Vanquish Products C hubs,knuckles. You can brake the stock plastic ones fast. if your going to run the larger kv motors i would chang the trans gearing from the stock 48 pitch to 32 pitch. Hope this helps

My set up for my wraith is Robinson Racing idler gear and a one piece lower transmission gear, Vanquish Products C hubs,knuckles, rear lockouts, panhard kit,chasis mount servo, Vanquish Products OCP Axle Housings, White knuckle link set, Rc4wd inner fenders,Castle Creations 4600kv 4 pole, Duratrax DTXC3166 Onyx 1/10 80A WaterProof ESC, Hitec HS-5955Tg servo, trans has been swapped to 32 pitch spur from a associated ntc3 spur gear gearing is 15/54

[allanon1965]

Originally Posted by greengoblin

Im running a 4600kv brushless in my wraith dose just fine. I woud upgrade to MMP drive shafts. Im running them I would also upgrade to the axial cvd for the front end and Vanquish Products C hubs,knuckles. You can brake the stock plastic ones fast. if your going to run the larger kv motors i would chang the trans gearing from the stock 48 pitch to 32 pitch. Hope this helps

My set up for my wraith is Robinson Racing idler gear and a one piece lower transmission gear, Vanquish Products C hubs,knuckles, rear lockouts, panhard kit,chasis mount servo, Vanquish Products OCP Axle Housings, White knuckle link set, Rc4wd inner fenders,Castle Creations 4600kv 4 pole, Duratrax DTXC3166 Onyx 1/10 80A WaterProof ESC, Hitec HS-5955Tg servo, trans has been swapped to 32 pitch spur from a associated ntc3 gearing is 15/54

so you are saying it crawls just as well as a brushed motor with no cogging? I can see your setup being a good basher style rig, but not a good crawler in the rocks where sometimes you need slow and precision handling....

[Eric0424]

Originally Posted by greengoblin

Im running a 4600kv brushless in my wraith dose just fine. I woud upgrade to MMP drive shafts. Im running them I would also upgrade to the axial cvd for the front end and Vanquish Products C hubs,knuckles. You can brake the stock plastic ones fast. if your going to run the larger kv motors i would chang the trans gearing from the stock 48 pitch to 32 pitch. Hope this helps

My set up for my wraith is Robinson Racing idler gear and a one piece lower transmission gear, Vanquish Products C hubs,knuckles, rear lockouts, panhard kit,chasis mount servo, Vanquish Products OCP Axle Housings, White knuckle link set, Rc4wd inner fenders,Castle Creations 4600kv 4 pole, Duratrax DTXC3166 Onyx 1/10 80A WaterProof ESC, Hitec HS-5955Tg servo, trans has been swapped to 32 pitch spur from a associated ntc3 gearing is 15/54

I was looking at Onyx combos, but wanted to see how the Wraith runs on the 550-SL first. Would prefer the 1/8 scale 120amp ESC, but have no need for the 1/8 motor. So I may end up with the 80amp 1/10 and another spare 4-pole 540 I can use in other trucks.

I was planning on converting to 32 pitch with RC10 GT2 and SC10 4x4 spur gears, but the hole in the center would have to be bored to 5mm and that would make them useless on the GT and SC10. So I'm thinking I might cut the Axial transmission shaft down and use the VTS clutch and SC10 4x4/GT2 gears.

Or I may upgrade to the new Axial Dual Slipper and gears.

What gears are you using from the NTC3, do these 2-speed gears bolt up to the Axial outer slipper plate?