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Old 11-23-2015, 06:15 PM   #1
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I'm new here and have read and read. I would like to here a few options on what you guys are running in your wraiths. I like trailing and crawling. I have a 45turn , 58spur, 9 pinion and it's ok. But I'm thinking of graduating to a brushless set up but still want the nice crawling ability that I get with the brushed motor if thats possible. Your thoughts and set up detail would be greatly appreciated!

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Old 11-23-2015, 06:19 PM   #2
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I have not been able to achieve both a race truck and crawler using brushless. Brushless is not as smooth brushed.


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Old 11-23-2015, 06:25 PM   #3
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Look and you will find: Choosing a motor and ESC for your Wraith - Gearing Added!
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Old 11-23-2015, 06:26 PM   #4
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I have not been able to achieve both a race truck and crawler using brushless. Brushless is not as smooth brushed.


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This is exactly what I want to hear! Thank you
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I have not been able to achieve both a race truck and crawler using brushless. Brushless is not as smooth brushed.


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Not my experience at all. MMP and a Holmes trailmaster pro 3300kv is super smooth. It's a great all around setup, geared 56/11.

A quality transmitter makes a huge difference as well. Expo on the throttle is awesome
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Old 11-23-2015, 06:54 PM   #6
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I think it's better to have 1 crawler and 1 race truck. Here are mine.




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Old 11-23-2015, 07:10 PM   #7
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I'm extremely happy with my Holmes Puller Pro 3500kv and Holmes BLE ESC. Ridiculous speed and nice and slow when you need it. The Trailmaster Pro 3300kv is nearly as smooth. My rig is a crawler first and I don't feel I've compromised on that.

The only thing really different with a brushless motor is when you give it any throttle on a hill (in the downhill direction) it will freewheel a lot faster than a brushed motor, it does take a bit of getting used to.
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Old 11-23-2015, 07:14 PM   #8
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I have not been able to achieve both a race truck and crawler using brushless. Brushless is not as smooth brushed.
Have you been trying sensored esc/motor combos?
I'm not sure what combos you've tried & while you are correct that brushless isn't as smooth as brushed.......
having said that I've got Castle MMP speed controls in both a 1.9 Wraith with a Tekin 13.5 Redline & 2.2 U4RC Trophy rig with a Tekin 3300kv Pro4 & both of those are reasonable fast (15-20mph) U4 rigs but both crawl great too.
I recently took the Wraith on a 3 hour trail run with a whole bunch of brushed SCX10s & there was nothing they crawled that the Wraith didn't (other than the creeks which was merely a personal choice)

I've seen SOME un-sensored combos be really quite smooth, I've an MMP & 3800 SCT combo in a MT that seems ok, counter that with a 1/8 Hobbywing combo I've got in an Apache that is functional down low but I wouldn't call it smooth.
Any sensored combo should be better be it Castle MMP, Tekin RX8, Holmes Trailmaster esc's & Tekin ROC412, Pro4, Pro4HD, Redline or Holmes Puller Pro motors.

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Old 11-23-2015, 08:58 PM   #9
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I run a mmp and tekin roc412 in my wraith running 32 pitch gearing at 56/12. Its super smooth and the settings in the mmp are very in depth. While other users run different setups this is what I like.
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Old 11-23-2015, 10:42 PM   #10
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Good stuff fellas thx for your input!
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Old 11-24-2015, 12:34 AM   #11
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Got a mmp with a 3900kv hobbyking motor. Halls ass and crawls! The motor was only $35 have been beating it for two years now!


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Old 11-24-2015, 09:53 AM   #12
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Got a mmp with a 3900kv hobbyking motor. Halls ass and crawls! The motor was only $35 have been beating it for two years now!
Which HK motor?
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Old 11-24-2015, 10:17 AM   #13
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If running brushless sensored is the way to go and a little conformal coating well let you dive right into the creeks. I run a rock 412 and tekin rsx in my trail rig and its butter smooth. I also run a cheap dynamite esc and hackmoto brushed motor in my 1.9 and it does ok as well. I run traxxas slipper clutch with 32 pitch 54 spur and depending on which battery I choose to run I change the pinion size. If your on a rock brushed all the way but my experience with trail runs is brushless is the best choice.


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Old 11-24-2015, 10:48 AM   #14
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You get a vote for me for a Mamba Max Pro for slow speed control. The Castle Sidewinder doesn't provide it, only the MMP, and it is much better when you run it sensored. I have been able to get smooth slow speed operation in all motors I have run with a MMP, including a 3800 KV Revtech 4XS and they are very, very smooth with that speed controller. I have also run the same motors with other branded ESCs including Hobbywing and Toro and they were not smooth.

Do yourself a favor; buy a MMP with a programming card and any sensored motor you want. You won't be disappointed.
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Old 11-24-2015, 11:26 AM   #15
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Holmes hobbies BLE esc and a Holmes 3300kv or Tekin Roc412 motor and you should be good to go. I run a MMP and Roc412 in my Wraith and love it, still slow and smooth but has great wheel speed when needed. Like others have said, proper gearing and a good sensored setup and you should be very happy with the outcome.

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Old 11-24-2015, 01:36 PM   #16
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http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...or_3983KV.html

This is the motor I run. 32p 9 pinion 56 spur


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Old 11-24-2015, 09:29 PM   #17
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Turnigy TrackStar 8.5T Sensored Brushless Motor 3983KV

This is the motor I run. 32p 9 pinion 56 spur
Cheers, options is always a handy thing
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Old 11-25-2015, 08:59 AM   #18
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I love my Holmes combo, trailmaster pro esc and trailmaster pro 3300kv sensored, both warerproof. I'm running the 43/13 ring and pinions and 56/10 spur/pinion. It's a great combo for trails and works good for slow crawling. It's awesome hill climbing and bouncing. If I bashed/bounced more I would probably go to a 11t pinion.

The sensored brushless is actually quite smooth and the wheel speed is outstanding. Tons and tons of torque.

Mmp or Holmes esc gives you all the control/programming you could ever want and it's very user friendly. Drive it, hook up the lap top, change settings, a few minutes and you are running new settings. You can tune the throttle and brake curves to do anything you want. The fine tuning is endless!
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Old 11-25-2015, 08:23 PM   #19
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Just to add, I think the Holmes Hobby offerings are far superior to Castle, and the price is about the same. Buy from Holmes, he supports our community and has the best products and a fair price.
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Old 11-26-2015, 08:03 PM   #20
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YJ4ROX,

What transmitter are you using on that setup? It sounds ideal.

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