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azTony 08-02-2017 06:04 AM

Newbie Working on a New Build - LOTS of questions
 
Well I bought a used one and was looking at things to do to it and thought I am changing most of it so why not build one. My wife is already hating me...

I have a DMG Stiffy ordered, talked a little about the motor and ESC and figured I should first get the chassis and axles together then get the electronics in place.

The next big purchase will be axles and I am torn because I see there are a lot of you out there with the offset axles and a lot with the centered axles. I am looking at the Currie RockJock 70 axles and wanted to hear real life experience opinions on centered vs offset axles. In my full size 4X4 I prefer a more inline geometry for strength but then again I have a 6,000 lb Landcruiser with 37's spinning.

Let's hear from your experiences on the experts in this hobbie, centered or offset? Pros and Cons please

mikemcE 08-02-2017 06:26 AM

Newbie Working on a New Build - LOTS of questions
 
Centered out back.
Look into the SSD diamonds..... great value and performance.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...59ad24805c.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...744e709d01.jpg
With my motor and gearing this truck can be a monster, full throttle will pull a full even wheelie, when full traction is there. The centered rear eliminated most of my torque twist.

This in NOT a wheelie truck, normally slow in the rocks, but I can jump it out of a deep spot if needed. I run rip rap primarily so this helps me.
Stock gearing (HD upgrade) incision locker . I always add the SSD delrin pinion protector

I went this way as it was the cheapest accessory wise. Comes with the HD axles now, no lockouts needed. All shock mounts are the same so what you have will work.


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azTony 08-02-2017 11:46 AM

Re: Newbie Working on a New Build - LOTS of questions
 
Are these He ones to have to flip the gears because hey are opposite? How do they hold up as far as bending? I do not see much as far as support at the center pumpkin

mikemcE 08-02-2017 11:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by azTony (Post 5733696)
Are these He ones to have to flip the gears because hey are opposite? How do they hold up as far as bending? I do not see much as far as support at the center pumpkin



Hold stock axial gears , I put them in the way the old came out. These are solid metal, they are shiny on the bottom of both currently. As I crawl I don't run a U4 truss setup, I've yet to bend an axle or even flatten a bearing . I run 3 of these, 2 in the Wraith and a wide on my Yeti . Bulletproof , 3s and Holmes or Tekin power , I don't baby anything


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azTony 08-02-2017 12:14 PM

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Good answer! I was looking at the VP knuckles and they have a high steer type of approach and I did not see that on the SSD, can the knuckles from VP mount on the SSD's?

mikemcE 08-02-2017 12:22 PM

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Yes, I used a complete VP kit in orange. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d9d23654b2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7c9025ba2a.jpg


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azTony 08-02-2017 01:14 PM

Re: Newbie Working on a New Build - LOTS of questions
 
Nice! Now I will work on the gearing so I can order everything at once. Anyone know of any of the shops have sales or will have a sale relatively soon? I need to order my TA's too

Farabomb 08-02-2017 04:33 PM

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I like those knuckle weights on the steering. Kinda wish they worked with the scale vanquish knuckles I have.

mikemcE 08-02-2017 04:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Farabomb (Post 5733780)
I like those knuckle weights on the steering. Kinda wish they worked with the scale vanquish knuckles I have.



Those are from RC Bros
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...271b71e461.jpg


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Farabomb 08-02-2017 05:57 PM

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I saw they had those. The scale knuckles don't have the adjustable ackerman plates so I'm S.O.L. I might be able to fab a mount that might work but it would ruin the scale look and I'm not sure how strong it would be. I really like the idea of adding weight without adding rotating mass. Having wheel weights on my front rims is probably adding to my issues with the pinion contacting the inside of the axle. Those hexes are quite nice as well.

D440 08-04-2017 09:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Farabomb (Post 5733819)
I saw they had those. The scale knuckles don't have the adjustable ackerman plates so I'm S.O.L. I might be able to fab a mount that might work but it would ruin the scale look and I'm not sure how strong it would be. I really like the idea of adding weight without adding rotating mass. Having wheel weights on my front rims is probably adding to my issues with the pinion contacting the inside of the axle. Those hexes are quite nice as well.

But those are not SORRCA legal... If you play scale I mean..

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mikemcE 08-04-2017 09:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by D440 (Post 5734375)
But those are not SORRCA legal... If you play scale I mean..

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk



Totally true, I don't so I can run them.


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JatoTheRipper 08-04-2017 09:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by D440 (Post 5734375)
But those are not SORRCA legal... If you play scale I mean..

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:flipoff: SORRCA. They're the ROAR of the crawling world, but that's just my 2 cents.

The centered rear looks great. Now I wish somebody would do the same for the front axle.

azTony 08-04-2017 10:29 AM

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Are there axles (internal axle shafts) that are different lengths for whatever reason? I am trying to get a parts list together with numbers so I can try and find a place to buy everything from in hopes of saving some coin. This is going to be an expensive build

mikemcE 08-04-2017 10:59 AM

Newbie Working on a New Build - LOTS of questions
 
Yes , with normal pumpkin off to one side one axle is short, one long. Centered pumpkin means axles are same length


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azTony 08-07-2017 04:13 PM

Re: Newbie Working on a New Build - LOTS of questions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemcE (Post 5733612)
Centered out back.
Look into the SSD diamonds..... great value and performance.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...59ad24805c.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...744e709d01.jpg
With my motor and gearing this truck can be a monster, full throttle will pull a full even wheelie, when full traction is there. The centered rear eliminated most of my torque twist.

This in NOT a wheelie truck, normally slow in the rocks, but I can jump it out of a deep spot if needed. I run rip rap primarily so this helps me.
Stock gearing (HD upgrade) incision locker . I always add the SSD delrin pinion protector

I went this way as it was the cheapest accessory wise. Comes with the HD axles now, no lockouts needed. All shock mounts are the same so what you have will work.


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Pardon my ignorance but what do you mean "no lockouts needed"? I did not see where it comes with the HD axles (SSD00081), I was going to buy them separately. :shock:

mikemcE 08-07-2017 04:58 PM

Newbie Working on a New Build - LOTS of questions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by azTony (Post 5735250)
Pardon my ignorance but what do you mean "no lockouts needed"? I did not see where it comes with the HD axles (SSD00081), I was going to buy them separately. :shock:



"Lockouts are on the outside ends on stock AR60 axles, they hold the end bearings, not needed with SSD
Axles https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5cd158c46e.jpg

I know they are listed separately , but I have 3 SSD diamonds. 1 front, not applicable. I have a wide on my Yeti, when I ordered it I had a set of HDs on hand, I still have them as a spare. The way to see is if the axles come with the slotted hexes, mine did . You can see them in the first picture, small bag up front.
The only complaint I had read was the stock axles bending, and the upgrade solved it.


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azTony 08-08-2017 04:55 PM

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I talked with Chris at SSD and he said the only one that comes with the HD is the Yeti wide axle housing

mikemcE 08-08-2017 04:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by azTony (Post 5735658)
I talked with Chris at SSD and he said the only one that comes with the HD is the Yeti wide axle housing



OK makes sense as I did get that for the yeti, regular on the wraith


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azTony 08-08-2017 05:00 PM

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So is incision the best or cheapest? Just asking because at https://www.amainhobbies.com/incisio...c00001/p487847 they have bad reviews about sloppy fit

azTony 08-08-2017 05:02 PM

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I am up in the air on color, are yours black or grey in the picture? I was leaning toward grey

azTony 08-08-2017 05:37 PM

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So I was getting ready to check out at RPP (went with the grey axle housings) and was looking for avid revolution bearings and they do not carry them. So I looked at Fast Eddy bearings and read their disclaimer on the bearings in the kit. I compared the bearings in the Avid Revolutions

Wraith bearing Kit - Revolution

than the Fast Eddy's

Team Fast Eddy Axial Wraith Bearing Kit

Now I am concerned since I have no idea what the sizes are supposed to be. Was hoping to order all at once. bummer

MRCrackhead 08-08-2017 06:09 PM

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Here's a link to the Wraith user's manual.
Page 10 has all the bearing sizes and required number of each.
Hope that helps.

http://docs.axialracing.com/instruct...raith™_KIT.pdf

mikemcE 08-08-2017 06:14 PM

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All three of mine are tight, no slop. I read a lot of reviews and bang for the buck seems right.


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mikemcE 08-08-2017 06:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by azTony (Post 5735664)
I am up in the air on color, are yours black or grey in the picture? I was leaning toward grey



Mine were black, now a bit shiny due to fun!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...bd0b18812e.jpg


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azTony 08-08-2017 06:26 PM

Re: Newbie Working on a New Build - LOTS of questions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MRCrackhead (Post 5735687)
Here's a link to the Wraith user's manual.
Page 10 has all the bearing sizes and required number of each.
Hope that helps.

http://docs.axialracing.com/instruct...raith™_KIT.pdf

That works! Now that I am looking at the two they are the same just listed differently. Looks like I will get the Fast Eddy's since RPP carries them and lumped in with all the rest of my goodies!

SHHHHH! :shock: Don't tell my wife! "thumbsup"

azTony 08-08-2017 06:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemcE (Post 5735691)
Mine were black, now a bit shiny due to fun!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...bd0b18812e.jpg


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That is what I thought, grey would be less noticeable after said fun :lmao:

azTony 08-10-2017 08:07 PM

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Ok... now the waiting game... RPP is quick but others may not be as quick

clm 08-10-2017 08:11 PM

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Man mike, that's like a lottery scratch-it ticket! The fun doesn't stop until it's all scratched off! lol

azTony 08-13-2017 04:12 PM

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WOW! Sunday delivery! Those guys ROCK! Let the fun begin!

mikemcE 08-13-2017 04:16 PM

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I'm jealous !! My box comes next week , and by pure coincidence , the wife leaves the same day on her vacation ..... I'm gonna have more fun though!


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azTony 08-13-2017 05:50 PM

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I went through the order and all of here. I had some foam issues I wanted to correct in the existing Wraith so I got everything from Crawler Innovations for the 6.0 w/Comp Cut in the new tires. I am done for the night so here is a pic of the existing wheels and new wheels with the tires.

azTony 08-15-2017 05:25 PM

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Ok, I need my main frame pieces to really get started but I decided to start on the rear end. Now, I have never done this so go easy on me. I have the Axial gear set, incision locker, the rear end and a HD axle. The first thing I installed the bearings and the pinion bearing. Then when I got to the incision locker to the ring gear I cannot find hardware. I have a RC Screwz kit but I may have gotten screwzed on that deal because I was unable to find 4 screws that small but then again nothing is organized in the dam thing. Where can I get that hardware? I was also trying to find some instructions to make sure I do it correctly but not able to find anything.

Impatient I guess but I put it together knowing I need to button everything up inside with loctight and screws before I bolt things up. That is a long way down the road, still waiting on parts and now I am going to wait until Labor Day to see if I can get a better discount from RPP to secure a tranny and whatever else I have missed in my ordering. I missed the 15% by ordering 20 hours too soon but who knew.

altd896 08-15-2017 10:10 PM

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The locker screws are M2x10, Axial part # is AXA015 but I wouldn't especially go get those, any brand of the best quality you can get, they are tiny & can tend to break. M2x8 would suffice also into a spool like you've got.

Dunno if you got (or found online) the manual but if not link is here
http://docs.axialracing.com/instruct...cale_-_Kit.pdf

azTony 08-16-2017 05:41 AM

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I have been reading through that manual and those screws are way to long. I guess I am surprised the incision locker does not come with hardware or at least tell you what hardware to use. From what I can tell the hole on the ring is not threaded just a through hole so the threads have to be on the locker which can not be much as thin as it is. In 1:1 at least there are manuals for everything

mikemcE 08-16-2017 05:57 AM

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All the locker is replace the spur holder, if you had a rtr or kit the stock screws would work


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azTony 08-16-2017 06:51 AM

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Still waiting for parts so I sorted the Screwz...

Farabomb 08-16-2017 08:24 AM

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Next time you're in walmart, pick up a plano tackle box. They're great for storing parts like this. I have one filled with KNK parts.

JatoTheRipper 08-16-2017 10:37 AM

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Every time I see Gear Head wheels I get excited. It doesn't matter that I own multiple sets and that I see them often. There is no RC beauty like Gear Head wheels! They look great with that axle. Cool build!

azTony 08-16-2017 12:48 PM

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What are your opinions on slippers? Would the stock slipper clutch be fine or would an after market work better for higher power motors like the Puller Pro 3500 I am using?


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