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Old 01-25-2019, 09:52 AM   #1
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Okay so over the past year ive been building and experimenting with this build

But i cant seem to keep a motor in it, this is a pure crawler build, what is best for motor, im down to a 35t torquemaster, and a 13t crawlmaster, also, what gearing is best?


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Old 01-25-2019, 10:22 AM   #2
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Did you see this thread? Choosing a motor and ESC for your Wraith - Gearing Added!

Also, have you considered brushless?
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:26 AM   #3
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Did you see this thread? Choosing a motor and ESC for your Wraith - Gearing Added!

Also, have you considered brushless?


Ive read the thread many times, hence why im down to those two motor choices, and ive had brushless in it, not a fan of it.


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Old 01-25-2019, 10:27 AM   #4
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Ive read the thread many times, hence why im down to those to motor choices, and ive had brushless in it, not a fan of it.
OK good.

Which ESC do you have? And are you crawling or going fast or both?
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Which ESC do you have? And are you crawling or going fast or both?


Using a hobbywing currently, and speed doesn’t matter, im looking for more crawl power and low end


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OK good.

Which ESC do you have? And are you crawling or going fast or both?
hes using a 1080
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:51 AM   #7
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Ah I missed the details under your last photo the first time around. I worry there's something else wrong with your Wraith if you keep burning up motors. Did you disconnect the drivetrain component by component to see if everything spins freely?

I see you have narrowed it down to a Holmes motor. I like my Crawlmaster, but they are in 1.9 rigs. I don't have experience with Torquemaster motors. On his site he states that either are fine for the Wraith. The site states:

"General Trail use:
35t – 27t TorqueMaster 540*
16t – 13t CrawlMaster 540*
(the 13t TorqueMaster 540 is not suitable for the Axial Wraith)
Puller Pro BL 540 Stubby or Standard
TrailMaster Pro BL 540

*5.6:1 pinion to spur ratio (or even lower gearing) advised to prevent overheating for brushed motors. Example: 15 or 14 tooth pinion and 84 tooth spur.
Stock gearing compatible with brushless motors."
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Ah I missed the details under your last photo the first time around. I worry there's something else wrong with your Wraith if you keep burning up motors. Did you disconnect the drivetrain component by component to see if everything spins freely?

I see you have narrowed it down to a Holmes motor. I like my Crawlmaster, but they are in 1.9 rigs. I don't have experience with Torquemaster motors. On his site he states that either are fine for the Wraith. The site states:

"General Trail use:
35t – 27t TorqueMaster 540*
16t – 13t CrawlMaster 540*
(the 13t TorqueMaster 540 is not suitable for the Axial Wraith)
Puller Pro BL 540 Stubby or Standard
TrailMaster Pro BL 540

*5.6:1 pinion to spur ratio (or even lower gearing) advised to prevent overheating for brushed motors. Example: 15 or 14 tooth pinion and 84 tooth spur.
Stock gearing compatible with brushless motors."
I'm addressing parasitic drag with him and a full bearing kit is in the works. We'll be rebuilding both axles and tranny whether he likes it or not. That was my first thought also. He had been running the 21t 540 el cheapo holmes trailmaster and its a fine motor, but I think the gearing was jacked up, but I've not messed with wraith so I told him to start a thread and get some insight from people who had run both his potential combos.
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I'm addressing parasitic drag with him and a full bearing kit is in the works. We'll be rebuilding both axles and tranny whether he likes it or not. That was my first thought also. He had been running the 21t 540 el cheapo holmes trailmaster and its a fine motor, but I think the gearing was jacked up, but I've not messed with wraith so I told him to start a thread and get some insight from people who had run both his potential combos.


Thanks for workin on my thread while im busy duke, yes, wraith is getting a driveline overhual, but pretty sure my gear ratio is jacked due to the amount of times ive changed things around.


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I'm addressing parasitic drag with him and a full bearing kit is in the works. We'll be rebuilding both axles and tranny whether he likes it or not. That was my first thought also. He had been running the 21t 540 el cheapo holmes trailmaster and its a fine motor, but I think the gearing was jacked up, but I've not messed with wraith so I told him to start a thread and get some insight from people who had run both his potential combos.
Cool. I think once you figure out the drag and get your gearing in check any motor, within reason, will work.

I know some people go to 550 cans in the Wraith, but you have to space the trans up or something like that. And most people don't feel the need for it.
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Old 02-02-2019, 06:24 AM   #11
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A 550 can requires some minor surgery to the upper link mount to provide clearance for the larger can.
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I've been running a 35t motor in my Wraith since new, off an old Novak Rooster Crawler. It's waterproof and the combo gives me very good crawl control and I've never burned the motor up. It's a kit Wraith with stock gearing. It's not fast at all but it crawls really nice.
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I've been running a 35t motor in my Wraith since new, off an old Novak Rooster Crawler. It's waterproof and the combo gives me very good crawl control and I've never burned the motor up. It's a kit Wraith with stock gearing. It's not fast at all but it crawls really nice.
have enough to get up most climbs ? any wheel spin ?

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have enough to get up most climbs ? any wheel spin ?

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If the tires can grab it has plenty of torque to pull itself up even the steepest climbs. It has very good low-speed control and I have found that I can "manufacture" traction just by how slow I can make the tires turn. It doesn't have the speed to spin the tires up like a rockbouncer though. It's all crawl.
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If the tires can grab it has plenty of torque to pull itself up even the steepest climbs. It has very good low-speed control and I have found that I can "manufacture" traction just by how slow I can make the tires turn. It doesn't have the speed to spin the tires up like a rockbouncer though. It's all crawl.
sounds like fun, i think im ganna be going with HH crawlmaster 13t but considering other options

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Update: after some work and parts ordering, ended up getting my wraith up and runnin again. Shes low and slow just like i wanted for crawling. Using a 35t holmes torquemaster.


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Old 06-17-2019, 07:41 AM   #17
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Went out for a run the other day with a buddy loving how the wraith has turned out, very capable rig.


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