08-28-2009, 01:46 PM | #21 |
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Yes, it is a public body. It is the governing body that presides over the rules and comp in our hobby. Ultimately we all play by those rules, even if we think we dont. If you buy a part that was designed for a crawler, then the rules of the usrcca were taken into account when designing that part. Our national, or world now I guess, is governed by them. They would not matter if it werent for us. we would not have the comps and rules we have if it werent for them. They rely on us as we rely on them. So, yes, they are public. Yes, the good people of this hobby had a right to know, and in all fairness we should have been allowed to know who the other possible contestants were, if there were any. Just my opinion tho. |
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08-28-2009, 01:50 PM | #22 | |
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it would be different if they charged us to be a member like ROAR does but they dont so when looking at it that way ..... no its not a public body Have to agree with Harley on that part. | |
08-28-2009, 01:51 PM | #23 | |
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I don't see what any of that has to do with it being a public body. It has always been a privately owned body. Nobody forces you to run USRCCA rules. They were the first to setup the committees and such that were needed, that still doesn't make it a public body. | |
08-28-2009, 01:54 PM | #24 |
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| Good shut your pie hole now! Did you own ANY part of anything? Nope, again...shut it. Jason and John are providing things for all of us as fast and hard as they can. "I should have known"... Last edited by BigBaller; 08-28-2009 at 01:57 PM. |
08-28-2009, 01:56 PM | #25 | |
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Badger and I have worked our asses off for the last 5 years building the USRCCA to what it is. It wasn't out for sale because we didn't want just anybody having it. We care about and rely on it doing well. The new owners are currently working their asses off running the biggest event in the country after months of preparation, I could imagine it may be a little bit before you get a response. | |
08-28-2009, 01:57 PM | #26 |
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08-28-2009, 02:01 PM | #27 |
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It does not mean it is public because the public use them. the rules were adopted by many clubs as a standard, some clubs use only parts from the rules & add other rules of their own. if the rule " must be eating bacon while on the course" is added the only places you would have to do that is at Worlds or qualifing for Worlds. I vote for the bacon rule |
08-28-2009, 02:04 PM | #28 |
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I just hope they left someone at the shop so they can mail out my CVDs I ordered last week :?
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08-28-2009, 02:10 PM | #29 |
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not public in the sense that it is publicly traded on the open market sure. Yes it is privately held. However, as I stated, the fact that it is the governing body that most, if not all clubs revolve around means that it is public. As in publicly acknowledged as THE ruling body of our hobby. Privately held in that two people own it. I guess in the grand scheme of things, I feel like they took a giant piss in the face of all of us that support them thru supporting this hobby. If it werent for us, why would there rules matter. Ya know, I was gonna wait for a response, and I still will before I go passing my final opinion on the whole thing. And what I am about to say may well get deleted, or maybe even me banned permantly. But thats a risk that I am willing to take. I think that the whole bit of selling off the USRCCA to somebody is fine on a whole. However Selling it to the owner of a company that deals in and sells RC crawler parts is complete BS. Do you not remember the whole bit not to long ago when one of president bush's good friends was getting all sorts of government contracts... People cried foul, as well they should have. Granted, for all I know maybe Jake can keep the two seperate. But is that a risk worth taking. Several years back Electronics Arts "won" a contract with the NFL to be the sole liscensed distributor for NFL video games. Gamers the world over stood up and cried foul. Nothing was done about it, madden sales dropped by half the first year, and EA gained a horrible reputation from it. Then, a couple of years later someone from EA (and I'm not saying names, but look it up, used to be the head of microsoft games studios) said in an interview that although EA did not hold the liscense for MLB games that he was going to use his "contacts" to work out a deal as soon as the then current contract expired. He did, and EA MLB tanked. The same thing happened here. Jake came in with money and bought the company. Which is fine on one hand. But he also owns CKRC. Whats to keep him from re-organizing the rules to favor his products, or banning something he doesnt personally like. Whos to say that next year MOA wont really be banned, or that Worm Gears are out. At the end of the day, he may not sit on the rules commitee, however he owns it. He can easily fire whoever oposes him, and hire someone that will go along with what he wants. He could get eff over the other companies as well very easily. He could design and produce a product and then pass a rule that it is allowed, making him the only seller of that particular product until the compition has time to catch up. And like I said, he may not be like that, and everything may be fine. But then foul number 2 was commited. Keeping the people of this hobby in the dark. We have the right to know. NOW. Not later when it suits you, but now. Keeping it a secret only adds to the frustrations of people. Now, as far as RCC, Jason, and Badger's end goes. I dont know. I'm not in their shoes. Maybe they got tired of handeling it and wanted to pass it off. I think they could have handled things better, but I dont know their situation. Do I think the way this, and the worlds has been handled is a slap in the face to each and every member of this site, and the rc rock crawling world. Yes, I do. |
08-28-2009, 02:12 PM | #30 |
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So I got bored and read SC posts, sounds like a conspiracy theorist head is in overdrive... Last edited by ThinkTank; 08-28-2009 at 02:23 PM. |
08-28-2009, 02:15 PM | #31 |
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Sound color, the rules are created by a GROUP of people....Jake is NOT one of those folks. You dont have to worry about him changing them to help out his business. Also, would you have wanted this organization be sold to someone who didnt give a shit about this hobby? Jake is one of the top drivers in the country...if anyone deserves to be in charge, he does! |
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08-28-2009, 02:22 PM | #33 | ||
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Jeremy, I understand he is not on the ruling body, but as I stated who's to say he cant change the people of that body to get the result he wants. I am by no means saying he would do that. I dont know him. I am just raising what I feel is a valid question about the overall controll of the organization. Already alot of people have been screwed over pretty bad. There are alot of really good top drivers ready to quick comping alltogether over the miss-steps that have already been taken. I just want simple straight forward answers. Its the only way to solve the problem | ||
08-28-2009, 02:23 PM | #34 | |
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I dont know Jason and John nearly as good as half the site does but something tells me that if they didnt feel Jake and Brian were capable of doing a successful job at this then they woudlnt have sold it to them. And yeah Jake owns CKRC but as for manufacturing part of it ..... CKRC makes aftermarket parts, its not like hes manufacturing a complete kit thats gonna rewrite the rules for. Cant see a conflict of interest there at all. | |
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08-28-2009, 02:32 PM | #36 | |
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08-28-2009, 02:35 PM | #37 | |
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08-28-2009, 02:41 PM | #39 | ||
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08-28-2009, 02:44 PM | #40 |
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Right, the owners of the governing body are not actually involved in the rule making. Sure he could pull the rug at any time, but Jason and Badger always had that right too. In reality, nothing has changed on the whole except a few names on legal documents. I think it will be good for the sport as a whole in the long run, as you need someone with a LOT of drive and savvy to keep on top of everything.
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