I am Done with the United states government.

[holycaveman]

We just in my opinion lost our last freedom and that is the right to take care of yourself.

Supreme court ruled in favor of Obamacare.

I won't go postal and start shooting up the place but lets just say I am done with being a role model tax paying citizen.

This is not the America I signed up for

[CREEPERBOB]

But will you pay the new tax? up to $1200.00 for a single person a year if you "disobey"?
Obummer is socialist, who does not see this? Reminisant of Moscow.
But don't be done Caveman, do your duty and vote this shit into oblivion.

[xjman]

There are good and bad things with Obamacare. Shame the bad things make the good things useless.

The 1200 bucks may turn out to be cheaper than actually paying for it. Now that everyone who has a job has to pay for health insurance there is nothing to regulate premiums. They will just rise and rise and rise and when questioned some BS reason will be given. Last I checked this is a capitalism, forcing anyone to buy anything is bogus.

This goes back to one of my previous statements. If people would do the un-American thing and vote the world may be a better place.

[holycaveman]

Originally Posted by CREEPERBOB

But will you pay the new tax? up to $1200.00 for a single person a year if you "disobey"?
Obummer is socialist, who does not see this? Reminisant of Moscow.
But don't be done Caveman, do your duty and vote this shit into oblivion.

Honestly if I have to pay 1200$ because I chose not to take part in this system, I will cheat that 1200 out of my taxes another way. Cash is king


Now I believe in being honest and giving cezar what is cezars. But this is not a dictatorship. And me and my family will not partake in government healthcare.

This is an outright robery of our civil liberties more than owning a gun! Its our right to chose how to take care of ourselves.

I don't thing people realize the future laws and regulations this bill leads to. YOU WILL BE OWNED if you take part in this system. Not right away, but eventually it will bleed into every aspect of your life. Say goodbye to your freedoms people.

[GySgt Hartman]

Vote, and get everybody you know to vote.



Mitt Romney for President | Mitt Romney for President of the United States of America in 2012

[xjman]

We need someone more to the middle of the spectrum than either candidate.

I'd like to see Rand Paul run eventually. There are many things that I don't agree with he supports. But he supports one thing I just admire in a leader. Just because he doesn't agree with it, it doesn't mean its his rite to make it illegal. Its up to each state.

Every state has a different culture, with different issues. One law to rule them all doesn't work in his eyes. That alone I support him for.

[Deerhurst]

Since this topic is here for the time being I'd like to thank all those who voted to make all of this happen. I would like to thank you who voted for this administration for destroying my future. My generation will be cleaning up the mess for decades to come. Sadly I was not old enough to vote in the last election but I will be this election and I hope my one vote can help make things the way they should be.

Where did the people who could think for them selves and are down to earth go? This government motors, obamacare bs is just the beginning if we don't do anything about it. No way I'm paying a disowned lawyer 1200 bucks so I can have my own health care. That's ridiculous to have a mandatory tax of that sort.

To stir up another bee hive, what about having to be a US citizen for, I want to say is a 100 years that the constitution says, before one can become president?

And end rant.

[ctrwannabe]

I agree our current guy sucks but what happens in 4 years if rombot is prez and we are sayin the same crap about him. Anyone remeber bush? They all suck ass and the system is broken. No longer by the people or for the people.

[GySgt Hartman]

Originally Posted by xjman

We need someone more to the middle of the spectrum than either candidate.

That may be however it's irrelevant we have our two candidates...

Obama has to go!

[CREEPERBOB]

I just listened to Obummer's speech .
Did'nt you know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, everyone with pre existing conditions can get health care?, did'nt you know kids can stay on momma and daddy's insurance till 26?, did'nt you know that the people that can't afford a $15,000.00 a year policy will be subsidised by the goverment?, did'nt you know this is what Americans want?
Man , Obummer sure is counting on his citizens to be useless idiots and follow our King to the poverty fields, the death councils, the man who wants to be lord over our freedom.
That is impossible, we are not free when we are servant's of the king, we are merely subjects to the throne.
This is the lefts shining place on the mountain top where they can look down on the lowly servants and infict there socialist agenda and think we will cocede to there demensia.
I'm not voting for Romney merely because he is Republican, I am voting for Romney because he has made promise's, promise's I can relate to. I believe he will try to invoke change in our goverment, I say give him a try, he definately cannot be worse than what we have.
Obummer is our modern version of Stalin, a Woodrow Wilson on steroids.
For me and my house, we will continue to trust what my God has has givin' us, a free will and a clear vision of what a goverment should be and do, so therefore we will be voting against what we have oppressing us now.

[JeremyH]

But, but, but.....now everyone will have Medicaid (you know, the program that very few doctors will accept because of how big of a pain in the ass it is to get paid for). We can all feel safer now.....

Originally Posted by CREEPERBOB

did'nt you know that the people that can't afford a $15,000.00 a year policy will be subsidised by the goverment?,

Sweet! Sign me up. I told my boss at lunch that she should drop the health coverage for our whole company (and give us the benefit in cash) and let us sign up for the free government program. She said that as a business, the penalty for not offering insurance to your employees is MUCH lower than what it costs per year to insure all of us.

[xjman]

Originally Posted by GySgt Hartman

That may be however it's irrelevant we have our two candidates...

Obama has to go!

There is almost always a 3rd party no one votes for. The we have to vote republican or democrat got us into the mess we are in.

And before you start that "throwing your vote away crap". If everyone would vote for the best candidate and not just repub or demo shit would change quick.

Just remember, the republicans are working on passing bills that kill freedom of information, giving the government and corporations the right to shut down internet websites for no reason. They don't like the information you put up, it paints them in a bad light. Well thats fine, because your website is gone.

[CREEPERBOB]

SOOOOOOO negative , tell it brother .

Originally Posted by JeremyH

But, but, but.....now everyone will have Medicaid (you know, the program that very few doctors will accept because of how big of a pain in the ass it is to get paid for). We can all feel safer now.....

[dkf]

Originally Posted by GySgt Hartman

That may be however it's irrelevant we have our two candidates...

Obama has to go!

The two choices are chicken shit and that little white speck in the middle of the chicken shit. Thing is that little white speck is chicken shit too.

[GySgt Hartman]

Originally Posted by xjman

If everyone would vote for the best candidate and not just repub or demo shit would change quick.

You are assuming the majority of the population has their head out of their ass...

What's the #1 show on MTV?

Nuff said...?

[holycaveman]

Originally Posted by ctrwannabe

I agree our current guy sucks but what happens in 4 years if rombot is prez and we are sayin the same crap about him. Anyone remeber bush? They all suck ass and the system is broken. No longer by the people or for the people.

I wish it were as simple as eliminating one man. But its not. Our society is becoming more and more dependant for survival based on what our government can provide and protect us with.

Anyone remember the movie braveheart? Listen guys I would rather be sick and dying and have my freedoms than to be a slave to the government. We are already taxed and fined, including licens, fees, registrations, permits, etc.... more than any dictatorship stole from its citizens in history!!!

How much is enough? How much can the government take from us and provide for us until we are considered slaves? I think we are getting close now

[ScaleReady]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

But, but, but.....now everyone will have Medicaid (you know, the program that very few doctors will accept because of how big of a pain in the ass it is to get paid for). We can all feel safer now.....


Sweet! Sign me up. I told my boss at lunch that she should drop the health coverage for our whole company (and give us the benefit in cash) and let us sign up for the free government program. She said that as a business, the penalty for not offering insurance to your employees is MUCH lower than what it costs per year to insure all of us.

Yep. Private practices are going to rake it in now! Everyone will be going to them so they can actually be seen. I see prices going up big time.


A recent job I did in Canada, I asked about their free health care and how they liked it.... They fawkin hate it! The waiting list to get seen at a doctor isn't even worth getting fixed. Have a heart attack.....wait in line. Broken bones heal before you get seen. They often tell you to come back another day.....

[CREEPERBOB]

I want to offer up one small bit of insite to anyone who loves our country.
Please , whether you like her or not, please buy (or at least get it from the library) the book called "Treason" by Ann Coulter. This is the most explicate description of who the left is , what the left wants, and how they achieve there agenda.
This is the most honest look at what Marxist, socialist and progressive anti American's want and will do to destroy our freedom, our lives and our nation.

[binaryterror]

Originally Posted by GySgt Hartman

Vote, and get everybody you know to vote.

3. The individual mandate was originally a Republican idea.

Recently, President Obama’s senior adviser David Plouffe called Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney “the godfather of the individual mandate.” At a GOP primary debate in 2011, Romney said, “We got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation.”
In fact, the idea of requiring businesses or individuals to provide and pay for health insurance traces at least as far back as Richard Nixon, who in 1974 proposed a mandate that “every employer would be required to offer all full-time employees the Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan,” the insurance plan Nixon was pushing.
In 1989, Stuart Butler of the Heritage Foundation shifted the conservative frame from an employer mandate to an individual mandate, writing:
If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance. If we find that he has spent his money on other things rather than insurance, we may be angry but we will not deny him services—even if that means more prudent citizens end up paying the tab…. A mandate on households certainly would force those with adequate means to obtain insurance protection, which would end the problem of middle-class “free riders” on society’s sense of obligation.
Incidentally, Butler has recently tried to renounce his invention of the individual mandate, but it appears to me that his reasoning reads something like, “I was for it when it was a Republican idea and am against it now that Democrats embraced it.”


Read more: 5 reasons ObamaCare is already good for you | Fox News

Keep blaming Obama for following age old loved Republican's original plans from the 70's

You should also note that article is from a known Republican source...one you claimed Republicans believe - Fox News.

[binaryterror]

Originally Posted by CREEPERBOB

book called "Treason" by Ann Coulter.

I wouldn't buy her biased book to burn. She's the right wing's version of Nancy Pelosi except more hated and never made it into politics, instead just writes or comments on politics.

I'm neither Republican or Democrat...before you go attacking me.