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12-24-2012, 06:26 PM | #161 | |
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Athens
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I'd say that's a military based assault rifle type gun, yep | |
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12-24-2012, 06:30 PM | #162 |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: n.e.pa
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guards in schools yes. the school my son is in has a state police officer there all day. i would like to add that parents need to be more alert to there children. if a teacher says that your child needs help then maybe there is a reason. too many parents just blow it off and say not my kid. well i have news for them no ones kid or kids are perfect. if you have a kid thats 20 years old, has no friends, sits and plays video games all day maybe there is a problem. |
12-24-2012, 06:45 PM | #163 | |
Rock Stacker Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Third Rock From The Sun
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| Re: NRA reccomends armed officers in all schools It's even easier to offer up this moronic rhetoric..... Quote:
....or this gem of your moronic rhetoric....... ....oh yeah that will work......excuse me mister burglar....I need to get my gun out of my safe before you have the opportunity to harm me !!! | |
12-24-2012, 06:50 PM | #164 | |
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mechanicsville, VA
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So what, we're the apple and everyone else are the oranges? Many other countries have, or are enduring some of the same struggles as we have/are. To disregard there thoughts simply because they hail from a different continent and culture is silly IMHO. And speaking of off topic, we're both off it. | |
12-24-2012, 06:50 PM | #165 |
Rock Stacker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Santa Rosa, CA
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Seeing people comment about gun safes and what not for safety, were the mothers guns locked up(I honestly don't know this answer)? If they were and he knew either where the keys were to the locks or to the combo of the safe all the safety precautions in the world wouldn't have prevented him stealing them...
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12-24-2012, 07:02 PM | #166 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: spring hill TN
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Sounds like a hunting rifle to me not something that should fall into any thing to do with Assault rifles. It is semi fire only so that takes it out of the assault rifle category by its self.It only holds 4 rounds well mine will hold 5 so that takes it out of the high capacity category. Its plane and simple its a hunting rifle and that's it.But some idiots cant separate the differences so they say get rid of them all. Its no damn different than this which would never fall into a ban. | |
12-24-2012, 07:15 PM | #167 | |
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NW San Antonio
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I'm tired of special interests, ranging from the military industrial complex to the NRA, from the health care industry to Wall Street, to states and municipalities and big government initiatives from housing to welfare wanting more, more, more. Stay out of my damn pocket. We are fiscally ****ed. On a Federal level, the $0.40 cents being spent now funded by debt will be paid by your children, their children and their childrens' children if somehow we are able to make it that far. It will be paid either via higher taxes, or an absolute erosion in the purchasing power of the dollars they use. | |
12-24-2012, 07:26 PM | #168 | |
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12-24-2012, 07:31 PM | #169 | |
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Athens
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS2MmvzkSgQ Kinda makes it tough for your point when the manufacturer themselves are obvious aiming for the tacticool market. | |
12-24-2012, 07:35 PM | #170 | |
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12-24-2012, 07:36 PM | #171 | |
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It only takes one illegal gun. The only 100% foolproof way to solve the problem is getting rid of all the guns. Every. Single. One. And we all know that's not gonna happen. | |
12-24-2012, 07:53 PM | #172 | ||
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Ok here..... I swear its like you talk about things in your country one way but in actuality they are so much different. You say enthusiastic shooter?? Odd to me how in all of this you failed to tell us that your own law enforcement departments and Olympic shooters have to travel elsewhere to practice shooting. This to me is not helpful if im a "enthusiastic shooter". Last edited by JokersWild; 12-24-2012 at 08:02 PM. | ||
12-24-2012, 08:02 PM | #173 | |||
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Athens
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I'd say that's as worth while a job as you can get personally, but then i am a responsible adult. They could do it in their free time, you know the time they previously spent dealing with gun crime. You don't have to be so frightened of burglars, i'm sure your Ninja pyjama's would scare them off, well until your parents got home. Quote:
We did have problems with gun crime after the hand guns ban, there are many reasons for this and this is not the platform for that discussion. But the figures are now coming down. In 2010/11 there were 58 firearm involved homicides. That boils down to 0.03 illegal gun homicides per 100,000 people. The USA has 3.2 illegal gun homicides per 100,000 people. Figures here I think that puts a strong case forward that tighter gun laws DO make a dramatic difference. Quote:
Even then people will still find a way to kill and hurt each other. I don't see any way we can stop murders, it'd be a great ideal but in the real world it's just not possible. I do honestly believe that by tightening gun laws, you guys CAN make a difference in these mass murders though. Sure the committed will still find ways to cause mass suffering, but as i said earlier. Why the hell should we make it easy for them to kill so many though? | |||
12-24-2012, 08:11 PM | #174 | ||
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Athens
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Men in army fatigues storming beeches, LEO's storming buildings. This from the manufacturer. Quote:
Again, how exactly does any of that matter? None of it is relevant to either armed guards being posted at school (the point of the thread), or how is best to prevent yet another mass murder on US soil (that the thread has sidelined to). You can try and divert the real problem as much as you want, it's still not going to change the fact that this kind of tragedy WILL happen again unless SOMETHING is done. A solution needs to be found and armed guards at schools in not a solution, it's a sticky plaster for what is proving to be a arterial cut. | ||
12-24-2012, 08:22 PM | #175 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: spring hill TN
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I wont argue that the action is based off of a military design but its not the same gun by any realm and especially not in a 45 caliber 5 shot configuration. I look at hunting type guns very different than actual military firearms. And I look at comp guns in a total different way . One of my AR15's is built for the family to shoot 3 gun matches with. We use it for nothing else.It would not be much good for anything else.Not to mention with the compensator that is on it would render it useless in a battle situation due to several reasons. And people who own rifles like mine are not the people that would pose any threat to society and know how to store and respect ther fireams. I will say it agin if a ban occures it will punish people just off the looks of a certain firearm. Kinda of like this pistol It was designed purely for competitive pistol matches like USPSA and IPSC.In 40 cal. it can hold 14+1,17+1 or 22+1 depending on magazine used. This is not a pistol that would be owned by someone who is careless.No one is going to buy a 3000-4000 dollar pistol and just leave it laying around the house to be picked up by a idiot that may go shoot up a school. But with people saying limit round count in firearms knocks out yet another great firearm and makes it hard to be a competitive shooter if you do not already have a pre ban gun. | |
12-24-2012, 08:23 PM | #176 | |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: n.e.pa
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banning a weapon isnt going to keep the honest sane people any safer from the psychos in the world. point is if someone wants something bad enough there going to get it at any cost. | |
12-24-2012, 08:29 PM | #177 | |
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12-24-2012, 08:32 PM | #178 | |
RCC Addict Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Turn the mayflower around.. it will never work
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Well duh..... if you are hard up and have the cash you can get drugs and guns from the US gov. Hell ask Bill Clinton, his brother says "Billy has a nose like a vacuum cleaner" | |
12-24-2012, 08:43 PM | #179 | |
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Athens
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I honestly think that if everyone was as responsible as you the event from just over 1 week ago would not have occurred. The problem is though, like with any walk of life not everyone is as responsible. As an example there is a gal at our offices that has taken her driving test 12 times Shes knows i do some track driving tuition so asked me to give her my honest opinion on her driving on the lunch break. Now i've gone over 200mph on a motorbike been driven through a forest at 100mph in the rain with trees inches away and although i was scared i managed to stay cool. This broad scared the crap out of me. She had absolutely no spacial awareness, no idea on the controls and failed to put the handbrake on when we parked. I rolled out the car as white as a ghost. This broad should not be driving on public roads, she doesn't have the necessary skills nor responsibility (when i suggested that she put the handbrake on, she looked behind her and told me there was a car behind to stop her car). Why should guns be any different? Shouldn't people that want to own and operate guns show a reasonable amount of skill and responsibility? In your case you have invested a lot of your time, money and energy into your hobby and it seems as though it's a hobby that's shared with your family, something that you should be congratulated on as that's a rare thing these days. I cannot imagine for a second that a local cop requesting a look at your gun safe would put you off your hobby for even a fraction of a second. Likewise if your AR15's required say another level of licensing i can't imagine that filling out a form would put you off either. Both ball aches no doubt. But the way i see it is, if those small inconveniences prevent a tragedy of these proportions occurring again in the future surely it's a compromise that's worth it? What bad can come out of semi automatic AR15 type guns requiring gun safes and to be kept in the safe when not in use? What bad can come from having a scale of licensing with more background checks being carried out the more deadly the gun? It's not preventing honest decent folks like yourself from perusing your hobby, but if it makes it difficult even slightly more for these crazies to carry out mass murder is it not worth it? It is to me and i honestly believe it's a better solution than armed guards at schools. | |
12-24-2012, 09:09 PM | #180 | |||
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Athens
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| Re: NRA reccomends armed officers in all schools I did and my interpretation was that they heavily sold the armed forces influence on the design. Quote:
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23 people stabbed, all survived. In the 7 attacks since 2010 only 2 attacks involved a fatality. In total 97 kids and adults were attacked since 2010, 17 died as a result. An absolute disgusting tragedy, but tell me in all honesty if those attackers had access to AR15's do you believe so many would have gone home that night? I'm not arguing that bad people are out there, even as a staunch atheist i still find the only real way to describe these people is pure evil. Someone somewhere WILL attack a school again, someone somewhere will attempt a mass murder event again. Absolutely no doubt about that. My entire point is, shouldn't we work towards restricting the access these evil people have to weapons that make mass murder easy for them? If we don't have the technology or know how to detect this evil before it occurs then as a morally responsible society we HAVE to do something. What else can we do that's as effective at preventing these evil doers as making it as difficult as possible for them to get their hands on effective killing equipment? Quote:
In fact i've said several times that you can't stop people killing each other, i don't know how much clearer i can make that point. You are the one that has bought up the UK a lot more than i have. There is no comparison, the entire mentality, mindset and media are entirely different. You an't argue with the facts 0.03 illegal gun homicides per 100,000 people in the UK 3.2 illegal gun homicides per 100,000 people in the USA Figures here You are well over 100 times more likely to get murdered by a gun in the USA than you are in the UK. AGAIN i'm not holding that up as an example to follow, the laws there are too strict IMO, but still it's a start. | |||
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