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[BadWagon]

Originally Posted by Highmark

Nope, specifically you said:







Sounds like you can't back it up.

Really? Here goes...

~The Somali (Mohamed Osman Mohamud) arrested on charges he planned to blow up a Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Oregon was a refugee. See here in 2010. He was arrested as he planned to detonate a bomb.

~ Two Iraqi refugees were convicted on charges that they helped Al Qaeda in Iraq and may have killed American servicemen there. They lied on their refugee applications. Best coverage of 2011 case here by ABC News. The entire Iraqi flow to America had to be re-screened that year!

~In 2012 Abdullatif Ali Aldosary (an Iraqi refugee) set off a bomb at a Social Security Office in Arizona.

~As successful asylum seekers, the Boston Bombers were refugees who had benefited from America’s generosity. One of many stories here about the 2012 deadly Boston Marathon attack by the Tsarnaev brothers (Chechens).

~In 2013 Fazliddin Kurbanov was arrested in Idaho and later convicted on terrorism charges. Kurbanov is an Uzbek refugee.

~In early 2016 an Iraqi refugee (Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan) living in Texas was accused of planning to bomb a local popular mall.

~In September 2016, a Somali refugee went on a stabbing spree at a mall in St. Cloud, Minnesota. Learn more here about Dahir Adan. Knife attacks are signature terror acts for devout Muslims.

~Also in September, the Chelsea bomber, Ahmad Rahimi, was arrested and we learned his family came to the US from Afghanistan and were given asylum. We need to be paying more attention to these asylum seekers since they enter the country completely unscreened and their numbers are on the rise. Story at CNN. Once granted asylum they are given all the same rights and privileges as the refugees we fly in.

~And, we can’t forget the most recent successful attack by Somali refugee slasher, Abdul Razak Ali Artan, at Ohio State.

Sauce: https://www.google.com/amp/s/refugee...us-crimes/amp/

I chose this article because it lists multiple crimes or people stopped before a crime was committed and contains sources for easy vetting.

It's actually gotten much harder to look up these crimes up without specific search terms. Seems like Google is making it harder to find this information. It was much easier last month when I went looking for the same info.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by BadWagon

How we define terrorist attacks, and if an attack is recorded/defined as one really isn't the point.

It should be. We need to define all like actions the same. If we don't, then one person that does a thing is labeled a terrorist and another person that does the same thing is not.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

Crime, assaults, rape, murders, and riots from one definable group is a problem and the issue. Getting tied down in definitions, and classifying what is and what isn't a terrorist attack only helps our enemy.

They are issues, but they are not different than issues that are instigated by natural born citizens. Rape by an immigrant is the same as rape by a citizen.

Spades are spades and need to be called as such.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

What we need to focus on is a rise in crime, rapes and also the capture and take over of whole areas of our country (like Dearborn, MI). In this areas they are installing/following Sharia Law which is in direct conflict with the Bill of Rights and a slew of American laws.

It's only a violation for the government to adopt Sharia Law. If the people want to adopt a separate code of law or ethics they can, as long as they are not breaking local, state, or federal law.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

Of course sources are important, but I've learned that the source doesn't prove whether or not the information is valid. You asked me if a source only tells the truth 50% of the time would I trust them... I guess I would about 50% of the time.

I don't have time to fact check every source, so the gross offenders get cut from the herd. Using my example from earlier, if I know someone is a habitual liar, I'm not going to spend much energy sorting out whether or not their latest tale is true or not.

I also dismiss outlets that rely on trigger words and obvious bias. If everything you read either scares, angers, or agrees with what you already believe, you aren't getting news, you're getting played.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

How about WaPo (Washington Post), do you trust them? They've been around for ages, broke watergate, and a large majority of the Trump "scandals".

Not necessarily.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

Did you know that Jeff Bezos (Amazing CEO) is under a $600M contract with the CIA? After signing said contract he bought WaPo for $250M. Do you trust them now? I vet stories from WaPo with a lot of scrutiny. Why? Because so often the stories don't check out, and are false or misleading.

I scrutinize everything I read if it's something that I feel I should pay attention to, no matter the source.

Originally Posted by FourDogs

Watch the movie "Clinton Cash" and "Hillarys America" then verify the info given yourself. They are eye openers...

I'm sure they are quite entertaining pieces of political propaganda. Did you research any of the claims or just take it all as gospel?

Originally Posted by Capwn

This could have been your mother, sister, or your grandmother ffs..

You can't guilt trip me, bro. You're wasting your time trying.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by BadWagon

I chose this article because it lists multiple crimes or people stopped before a crime was committed and contains sources for easy vetting.

Item of interest highlighted.

Just because someone enters the US as a refugee doesn't mean they get to run around all willy-nilly and unchecked. The gov't spends a great deal of effort watching people that could be a threat, whether they are natural born citizens, immigrants, or refugees.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

It's actually gotten much harder to look up these crimes up without specific search terms. Seems like Google is making it harder to find this information. It was much easier last month when I went looking for the same info.

I don't think it's on purpose, lots of things are getting pushed to the back pages simply because of more popular news stories. I've had the same issue with other topics. There's stuff I've read not too long ago that have seemingly disappeared and take a great deal of effort to dig back up. Some keywords are not as definitive as they use to be.

[BadWagon]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Item of interest highlighted.



Just because someone enters the US as a refugee doesn't mean they get to run around all willy-nilly and unchecked. The gov't spends a great deal of effort watching people that could be a threat, whether they are natural born citizens, immigrants, or refugees.

I hear ya, but I'm very leary of that statement. We know now that under the Obama administration the NSA and other agencies were not permitted to use the term "Islamic terrorism" or "radical Islam".

When I consider what's going on in Dearborn, MI and other areas where Muslims are being sent/are taking over I have more doubt than faith. There is a lot of very disturbing information on the Dearborn situation. Sharia Law is enforced in areas, and there are violent "citizens" who will assault people using video cameras or asking questions regarding what's going on in that community.

I'm not being contrary just to be an ass, I'm honestly just trying to share info. I hope you are right. I truly do.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

I don't think it's on purpose, lots of things are getting pushed to the back pages simply because of more popular news stories. I've had the same issue with other topics. There's stuff I've read not too long ago that have seemingly disappeared and take a great deal of effort to dig back up. Some keywords are not as definitive as they use to be.

I have seen that happen as well, though what I saw in these searches I just did, I saw a hell of a lot of "no terrorist attacks" articles, and the suggested searches under the results were all geared toward the "nothing happened" narrative.

I do not think it's a stretch to think that Google is censoring. They have been threatening to "crack down on fake news" for months. YouTube has been banning conservative channels in the last week, without explanation. Rodger Stone was banned, not sure if that's been lifted yet.

Reddit is shadow banning conservative threads, especially from r/the_donald. Shadow banning on Reddit is restricting threads subs from appearing in r/all, which is were users go to see what's trending.

All of these items are public. It's censorship plain and simple. Censorship should be fought against at all costs, no matter if you agree with what's being said or not. We are the only country where free speech truly exists.

[Capwn]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

You can't guilt trip me, bro. You're wasting your time trying.

Typical, Get proven wrong, Then act like you're already on the high road..

Go on, Defend your Turkish friend as he murders 5 women in cold blood here in our country that you seem to think is so immune to attack..

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by BadWagon

I hear ya, but I'm very leary of that statement. We know now that under the Obama administration the NSA and other agencies were not permitted to use the term "Islamic terrorism" or "radical Islam".

Just because they couldn't use some terms publicly doesn't mean they didn't have their eyes on people. If you are caught planning some evil-doing, they'll scoop you up before you do. If you're a native, you go to prison, if you aren't, you get deported.

There were a few home-grown would-be terrorist that got nabbed within the past few months. There was the group that was going to attack the refugee building in KC, a guy planning to attack some mosques in NY, and some other dude trying to rig up a nuclear device to irradiate a community of Muslims. There's also the occasional militia types gathering supplies to bomb federal buildings.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

When I consider what's going on in Dearborn, MI and other areas where Muslims are being sent/are taking over I have more doubt than faith. There is a lot of very disturbing information on the Dearborn situation. Sharia Law is enforced in areas, and there are violent "citizens" who will assault people using video cameras or asking questions regarding what's going on in that community.

I've seen some viral videos from Dearborn that are tagged with super scary bylines, but further investigation showed them to be bunk. Some weren't even from this country. IMO it's kinda hard to pin all that down unless your from the area.

If people are carrying out violent punishment in accordance with Sharia Law, they are criminals, plain and simple.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

I'm not being contrary just to be an ass, I'm honestly just trying to share info. I hope you are right. I truly do.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

I have seen that happen as well, though what I saw in these searches I just did, I saw a hell of a lot of "no terrorist attacks" articles, and the suggested searches under the results were all geared toward the "nothing happened" narrative.

I do not think it's a stretch to think that Google is censoring. They have been threatening to "crack down on fake news" for months. YouTube has been banning conservative channels in the last week, without explanation. Rodger Stone was banned, not sure if that's been lifted yet.

The other night when I was trying to find data on refugees, I had to go back 5 pages before I found saw something without Trumps name in the title. The popular news cycle is a bitch.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

All of these items are public. It's censorship plain and simple. Censorship should be fought against at all costs, no matter if you agree with what's being said or not. We are the only country where free speech truly exists.

The information is public, but the places that host that information are privately owned and can censor as they see fit. Fully legal, and within their right to do so.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by Capwn

Typical, Get proven wrong, Then act like you're already on the high road..

Go on, Defend your Turkish friend as he murders 5 women in cold blood here in our country that you seem to think is so immune to attack..

You didn't prove me wrong. I've never claimed that immigrants were innocent of terrorist attacks, I claimed that such instances were statistically rare.

edit: further reading shows that it was not a terrorist attack, just a disturbed young man shooting up the store that his ex-girlfriend once worked at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_C..._Mall_shooting

[BadWagon]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

It should be. We need to define all like actions the same. If we don't, then one person that does a thing is labeled a terrorist and another person that does the same thing is not.







They are issues, but they are not different than issues that are instigated by natural born citizens. Rape by an immigrant is the same as rape by a citizen.



Spades are spades and need to be called as such..

On the surface I agree with your statement, and a year ago I would've given you a "hell yeah". However after watching the situation in Europe, and specifically Sweden (for this item in our discussion) we have to be more careful, and have some foresight in how we label and record what's happening. Here's why...

Sweden was the left's shining country. Socialism worked because of the strong work ethic of its citizens. No Sweden wasn't all blonde hair blue eyed people either. They had a nice diversity going on. They are PC. Super PC. Hate speech and crimes are absolutely not tolerated. The consequences are serious.

The Swedes have opened their doors to be the immigration/refugee example of how well this system of tolerance works... except it doesn't.

Sweden is now the rape capital of the west. Mass gang rapes are so common at music festivals that many bands are boycotting Sweden, Mumford and Sons is one of them. Be warned, if you search on this topic, what you will find is horrific.

Crime, assaults, murder are all not only high or have increased, Sweden is home to the city with the highest murder rate in Western Europe.

Riots, grenades, fire barrels and thugs are everyday occurrences. There are now 55 no go zones in Sweden where ambulances won't enter without a police escort. Utility companies won't enter them to service and do maintenance.

Well so what right??

Ok get this. You can't say you were raped by a Muslim, or refugee, or immigrant. You can be charged with a hate crime. Same for police, government officials, no one may say that a Muslim/Refugee/Immigrant has committed any crime.

The Swedish center for statistics (government agency) no longer tracks nationality of those accused or proven to have committed a crime. The police are not allowed to record it.

Blatant acts of terrorism are swept under the rug and denied. Why? Because it might put mass immigration in a "bad light".

Oh and those 55 no go zones? Officially they don't exist. The Swedish government refuses to even acknowledge them.

They can't even address the problem. They can't even look at it with honesty. This is why we must be careful. Terrorism has many forms, no playbook, no rules, and doesn't carry business cards. An act of terrorism can be one person assaulting another because they don't agree politically. It can be a bomb, a shooting, slashing people with a knife. We have to be careful because if we compartmentalize the issue too far, we'll never be able to see the whole picture, and that is exactly what they want.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

It's only a violation for the government to adopt Sharia Law. If the people want to adopt a separate code of law or ethics they can, as long as they are not breaking local, state, or federal law..

Sharia Law is absolutely oppressive and completely in contrast to the Bill of Rights. If we allow enough people who believe in Sharia Law into America, as citizens who can vote, the Bill of Rights could be amended or dissolved. This is already happening in some areas where Sharia Law courts are being allowed to function without oversight by our legal system.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

I don't have time to fact check every source, so the gross offenders get cut from the herd. Using my example from earlier, if I know someone is a habitual liar, I'm not going to spend much energy sorting out whether or not their latest tale is true or not.



I also dismiss outlets that rely on trigger words and obvious bias. If everything you read either scares, angers, or agrees with what you already believe, you aren't getting news, you're getting played.



Not necessarily.



I scrutinize everything I read if it's something that I feel I should pay attention to, no matter the source..

This very dangerous bud. Seems like you're contradicting yourself. But I think I know what you're getting at. I'll simply say this, if you're too busy to vet what you're reading, and to read articles outside of your narrative, you're in an echo chamber. You are limiting yourself to never be challenged and to only have your ideas/opinions validated.

I hope you'll take the time to at least look at what "the other side" is thinking and talking about. If your time is that tight (which it can't be that tight, look how often you post on RCC :P ) just pop in on Drudge in the morning and afternoon. That at least will give you an overview.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

I'm sure they are quite entertaining pieces of political propaganda. Did you research any of the claims or just take it all as gospel?.

Actually I thought Clinton Cash was gonna be a load of crap. I even went as far as to vet some of the more ridiculous claims... nope. She's a much bigger crook and traitor than I ever realized. It's worth the time, even if you don't agree, it's eye opening.

[Capwn]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

You didn't prove me wrong. I've never claimed that immigrants were innocent of terrorist attacks, I claimed that such instances were statistically rare.

edit: further reading shows that it was not a terrorist attack, just a disturbed young man shooting up the store that his ex-girlfriend once worked at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_C..._Mall_shooting

Ignoring his blog dedicated to the leader of ISIS...

Mall shooting suspect had blog with picture of ISIS leader | Fox News

Then says and I'm just quoting here but “My main dude, Abu bakr al big daddy. #al qaeda.”..

So totally not terrorism tho.. However, I cannot fathom what it would take for you to call something terrorism..

Were the victims not terrorized enough for you?

[BadWagon]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Just because they couldn't use some terms publicly doesn't mean they didn't have their eyes on people. If you are caught planning some evil-doing, they'll scoop you up before you do. If you're a native, you go to prison, if you aren't, you get deported.



There were a few home-grown would-be terrorist that got nabbed within the past few months. There was the group that was going to attack the refugee building in KC, a guy planning to attack some mosques in NY, and some other dude trying to rig up a nuclear device to irradiate a community of Muslims. There's also the occasional militia types gathering supplies to bomb federal buildings.

Right. But if the term "Islamic" "Muslim" and specifically "radical Islamic terrorism" is banned, then they can't even label any attacks as such. So then, zero "radical Islamic terrorist attacks" happen, because they are never recorded as such.

So than CNN or the NYT can tell you that none happened, because technically, it's true. That's the problem. They can "distort" reality after the fact and twist shit around.

Sounds crazy right? Our press would never do that. They have been.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

I've seen some viral videos from Dearborn that are tagged with super scary bylines, but further investigation showed them to be bunk. Some weren't even from this country. IMO it's kinda hard to pin all that down unless your from the area.



If people are carrying out violent punishment in accordance with Sharia Law, they are criminals, plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

The other night when I was trying to find data on refugees, I had to go back 5 pages before I found saw something without Trumps name in the title. The popular news cycle is a bitch.

That's the truth. I agree with all of the above statement.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

The information is public, but the places that host that information are privately owned and can censor as they see fit. Fully legal, and within their right to do so.

Yes, I agree. Though I think there is a debate to have, at least a discussion as to if online communities have an obligation to allow free speech.

I mean Reddit is supposed to be a place of sharing ideas and r/all is labeled as the "trending section" for the whole site. Facebook has morphed itself onto the fence as it's dangerously close to a news/information source, based on trending topics. Same with twitter. All of these are online social areas where the content is created and shared by the users. Where exactly does our right to free speech end?

I think if we start to see platforms targeting a group of people because of their political view or who they voted for, blatantly suppressing speech, news and information... we have a problem.

Oooooops we're already there.

But who gets to decide what can and can't trend, or have videos on YouTube, or whatever if it's PG? Who gets that power?

If they have a coordinated effort behind the scenes it's illegal.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by Capwn

Ignoring his blog dedicated to the leader of ISIS...

Putting up a pic vs dedicating an entire blog are two different things. You're old enough to have learned that by now.


He also had a pic of Ted Bundy on there. Feel free to gloss right over that one. 'cause ya did.


What are you now, 0 for 3 or 0 for 4 tonight? I've lost count.

[BadWagon]

I almost forgot. The Dearborn issue there is absolutely some misinformation out there. There is solid info which is disturbing in itself. I've got a few friends up there. It's no bullshit.

[CR4NK]

Originally Posted by Highmark

Alright so there's one , but if you're going to preach, lets see the sources on those others.

You're already 0-1. He proved it happened. Prove the rest didnt happen. What's funny is when incidents like this are proven to have happened you people discount them or make excuses for why they aren't valid. He could prove undoubtedly that they all happened but you won't accept it anyway.

You people are never going to be convinced you completely missed the mark this election and are grasping at straws for reasons not to accept that the adults are running things now that mullah 0bama isn't the President anymore.

I've had a freedom boner since Nov. 8th, 2016 and I don't see it going away anytime soon. I thank all left leaning folks for that.

"Prove it!" Hahahaha! These are the same people who claim 0bama was the best president we've ever had, but if you ask them to prove it they can't.

[Capwn]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Putting up a pic vs dedicating an entire blog are two different things. You're old enough to have learned that by now.


He also had a pic of Ted Bundy on there. Feel free to gloss right over that one. 'cause ya did.


What are you now, 0 for 3 or 0 for 4 tonight? I've lost count.

Gloss right over his doing a shout out to leaders of terrorists groups..


Just tuck your tail kiddo, You lost..

Want to talk about Omar Mateen? His shoutouts to ISIS, And the fact his wife has been missing since she got his life insurance payout?

You are = to a terrorist if you defend them.. Horrible people, Bad Hombres

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by BadWagon

On the surface I agree with your statement, and a year ago I would've given you a "hell yeah". However after watching the situation in Europe, and specifically Sweden (for this item in our discussion) we have to be more careful, and have some foresight in how we label and record what's happening.

They can't even address the problem. They can't even look at it with honesty. This is why we must be careful. Terrorism has many forms, no playbook, no rules, and doesn't carry business cards. An act of terrorism can be one person assaulting another because they don't agree politically. It can be a bomb, a shooting, slashing people with a knife. We have to be careful because if we compartmentalize the issue too far, we'll never be able to see the whole picture, and that is exactly what they want.

You don't let people into your home without some ground rules and the will to enforce them. It seems apparent that parts of Europe have dropped the ball on that.

Whether or not we are sweeping terrorist activities under the rug is hard to say, and I'm not even going to argue the point because it's impossible to know. My point was that we should pick a standard and apply it universally.

A rape or assault is a rape or assault unless it can be proven to be more than that. Some people don't care who they do it to, some do.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

Sharia Law is absolutely oppressive and completely in contrast to the Bill of Rights. If we allow enough people who believe in Sharia Law into America, as citizens who can vote, the Bill of Rights could be amended or dissolved. This is already happening in some areas where Sharia Law courts are being allowed to function without oversight by our legal system.

I agree. And that goes for any foreign law. Some would say it's in the works to start slipping biblical law into our government, and there are certainly those that support such an idea and are working hard to make it happen. It shouldn't. Slippery slopes are everywhere.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

This very dangerous bud. Seems like you're contradicting yourself. But I think I know what you're getting at. I'll simply say this, if you're too busy to vet what you're reading, and to read articles outside of your narrative, you're in an echo chamber. You are limiting yourself to never be challenged and to only have your ideas/opinions validated.

I hope you'll take the time to at least look at what "the other side" is thinking and talking about. If your time is that tight (which it can't be that tight, look how often you post on RCC :P ) just pop in on Drudge in the morning and afternoon. That at least will give you an overview.

I read lots of things from lots of sources, from the left to the right and all points between. What I don't do is make an immediate determination about the information I digest. Most of it sits and stews for a while. If something really catches my interest or seems terribly important to know, then I research it further. Enlightenment is far more important to me than validation.

The things I keep a wide berth around are the political outliers (extreme left/right), click baiters, news rehashers, sensationalists, etc etc.

Originally Posted by BadWagon

Actually I thought Clinton Cash was gonna be a load of crap. I even went as far as to vet some of the more ridiculous claims... nope. She's a much bigger crook and traitor than I ever realized. It's worth the time, even if you don't agree, it's eye opening.

I avoid political documentaries like the plague, but I have no doubt that her fingers are in quite a few dubious pies.

[CR4NK]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

What are you now, 0 for 3 or 0 for 4 tonight? I've lost count.

You lost count up to 4. What a shock.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by Capwn

Want to talk about Omar Mateen? His shoutouts to ISIS, And the fact his wife has been missing since she got his life insurance payout?

You mean the American born terrorist who was neither a refugee nor an immigrant?

If that were my spouse, I'd disappear too.

Originally Posted by Capwn

You are = to a terrorist if you defend them.

Clearly, but me disagreeing with your ****ed up logic is not the same as defending terrorism.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by CR4NK

You lost count up to 4. What a shock.

If I cared more I'd count better.

[CR4NK]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

If I cared more I'd count better.

I doubt it. ...But, whatever helps you sleep.

[Duuuuuuuude]

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