Is our President for real????

[Topher Builds]

How is the economy is great, if you aren’t a 1%er or a corporation? deficit is ballooning, wages are stagnant, and the GDP will come back down to earth since there was a surge to sell crops and such before tariffs hit. These farmers are now on subsidies (I thought socialism was bad?). The consumer price index continues to rise faster than wages and also at the highest rate in a decade.

Meanwhile the cost of healthcare continues to sky rocket, health insurance plans cost more money and provide far less coverage, and the companies are taking in record profits.

Tell me something you didn’t hear on Fox please.

And then his foreign policy? North Korea is expanding its nuclear programs behind our backs (who saw that coming?) and we’re backing a country whom our own intelligence agency said ordered the cold blooded murder for an American based journalist all under the guise of an arms sale. I’m sure this has nothing to do with the millions trump admittedly makes from the saudis. Hate crimes are up across the board and people are working two jobs to earn one living income.

To whomever said he’s keeping out people that don’t “deserve” to be here. That’s a hell of a thing to say on a day that commemorates Europeans taking over the new world that was left thrashed and decimated by the dieseases brought by these same people. The hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[JSterrett]

Originally Posted by GA Dawg

That's my feelings 100%. I would much rather have someone crudely tell me the truth than eloquently lie to me. That was the choice that was presented to us 2 years ago.

Except he quite often isn't telling the truth... so we're looking at an eloquent lie or a crude/insulting lie...

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[CODYBOY]

Originally Posted by Pant Danza

How is the economy is great, if you aren’t a 1%er or a corporation? deficit is ballooning, wages are stagnant, and the GDP will come back down to earth since there was a surge to sell crops and such before tariffs hit. These farmers are now on subsidies (I thought socialism was bad?). The consumer price index continues to rise faster than wages and also at the highest rate in a decade.

Meanwhile the cost of healthcare continues to sky rocket, health insurance plans cost more money and provide far less coverage, and the companies are taking in record profits.

Tell me something you didn’t hear on Fox please.

And then his foreign policy? North Korea is expanding its nuclear programs behind our backs (who saw that coming?) and we’re backing a country whom our own intelligence agency said ordered the cold blooded murder for an American based journalist all under the guise of an arms sale. I’m sure this has nothing to do with the millions trump admittedly makes from the saudis. Hate crimes are up across the board and people are working two jobs to earn one living income.

To whomever said he’s keeping out people that don’t “deserve” to be here. That’s a hell of a thing to say on a day that commemorates Europeans taking over the new world that was left thrashed and decimated by the dieseases brought by these same people. The hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Very nicely said!

[CODYBOY]

Originally Posted by tapped-out

IMO if someone didn't vote their opinion doesn't matter.

Well, it sounds to me like your just trying to start something and I'm not going to go there! Your entitled to your thoughts, although I bet must on here would disagree with you. Why would I vote for someone or something that I didn't agree with. I didn't want either of them representing me as President. I voted for every other issue and person that reflected my ideals that day. And I guess if my opinion doesn't count we must live in different Americas!

Ernie

[tapped-out]

I deleted my post.. good luck with your opinions.

[Peaker]

Disruption seem popular, and truth be told i think most countries in the world need a swift kick in the groin.
It is debatable if Trump-ruption are the way to go for my American internet friends, but i cant really take part of it as i am caught behind a wall of ignorance and a crap-load of internet and Mainstream media BS.


But i have a feeling we could all do better, if we cleared out a few things.

[OSRC]

I voted for him, and will vote for him again. Several reasons why:

I'm tired of the same old politicians who spew the same lines at every election, nothing ever changes, and get rich while figuring out how to divide this country a little bit finer among the rich and powerful. I voted to shake things up, for better or for worse. Washington was and still is completely out of touch with the average American imo.

I like a republican who pushes back. Against the media, politically correct, establishment, and members of congress who have also lost most sense of decorum. It's frankly refreshing. No other candidate has the chutzpah to stand up to 2 years of constant negative abuse, and somehow keep going. With a high 40's approval rating amazingly.

I like the idea of America first. Seems to be a good attitude for an American president to have. No idea why that horrifies so many people.

I think we've seen some interesting results since. No question the national media has become a joke. I think most of them have lost their minds, and their left bias has finally spilled over into the open. It's not even a question anymore.

Highlighted just how weak the republican party really is - they have no courage of conviction at all. How many times have we heard they want to repeal obamacare, and when they had the chance, they whiffed. Or reigning in spending and the debt - the "small government people" Nada. They are frankly not much different from the democrat party imo.

Highlighted just how far left the democrat party has gone. Some of them are running (and winning) as open socialists. As a former Dem, I don't even recognize this party anymore. I'm a white guy. According to them, I'm a racist, homophobe, xenophobe, mysogynist, dog hating, steals candy from children, kicks out the walker from seniors deplorable. I'm so sick of being painted with some kind of wide brush every time I glance at CNN. It's just pushing me further away from these idiots.

I don't even care about social issues really. I wanted some control on the border, some economic sanity in Washington, no more overseas wars, lower taxes and regulation, more freedom to succeed or fail, my tax money spent wisely (right) ...Trump was checking those boxes.

Not to mention I would have crawled naked over 3 miles of broken glass to vote against Hillary. I think she's the utter definition of a career politician, and exactly who I am sick of.

Codyboy, hope this gives you some insight since you asked. No, i don't like everything he does, but I did and still do like his policy positions. Don't like to get into politics so much on here as RC is my escape from the real world, but since you asked, here you go!

[WHITE-TRASH]

I voted for him and I'll likely vote for him again in 2 years. Too many decades of the same old shit from the left and the right and now we have someone different at the top, I dig it. The media HATES him, the left HATES him and the right HATES him so based upon even that alone means he must be doing something right.

We just came from 8 years of media fawning over a president as the second coming of christ and the left and right liked him. That got us trillions of dollars into debt, insane healthcare costs we didn't have a choice but to pay and further into bed with people that hate us but like our money such as the UN.

I don't agree with his big mouth and how he goes about some things but I do love how he has bypassed the media that is twisting every single thing he says into the absolute worst possible thing ever. Journalism is mostly dead now that it is a 24 hour constant barrage of talking heads all trying to gain clicks and views before the next guy so they'll come up with the most off the wall sound bytes to get your attention.

As for wanting to "exclude" people I'm 100% all for it. We need to streamline the legal way to citizenship, that's the real issue. I've been working on farms my whole life so I've been around immigrant labor and for the most part all of them whether legal or illegal just wanted to work and make a better life for their families. Make it easier to be legal and more people will go that route.

[Frank211]

He is thankful for himself ! I mean who isn't during the holidays....LMAO

[CODYBOY]

Originally Posted by tapped-out

I deleted my post.. good luck with your opinions.

Thanks for the PM, sorry you don't think this thread is worth our time.
I know you have some good ideas and thoughts on the subject.

Originally Posted by Peaker

Disruption seem popular, and truth be told i think most countries in the world need a swift kick in the groin.
It is debatable if Trump-ruption are the way to go for my American internet friends, but i cant really take part of it as i am caught behind a wall of ignorance and a crap-load of internet and Mainstream media BS.


But i have a feeling we could all do better, if we cleared out a few things.

Some interesting thoughts from a international perspective!

Originally Posted by OSRC

I voted for him, and will vote for him again. Several reasons why:

I'm tired of the same old politicians who spew the same lines at every election, nothing ever changes, and get rich while figuring out how to divide this country a little bit finer among the rich and powerful. I voted to shake things up, for better or for worse. Washington was and still is completely out of touch with the average American imo.

I like a republican who pushes back. Against the media, politically correct, establishment, and members of congress who have also lost most sense of decorum. It's frankly refreshing. No other candidate has the chutzpah to stand up to 2 years of constant negative abuse, and somehow keep going. With a high 40's approval rating amazingly.

I like the idea of America first. Seems to be a good attitude for an American president to have. No idea why that horrifies so many people.

I think we've seen some interesting results since. No question the national media has become a joke. I think most of them have lost their minds, and their left bias has finally spilled over into the open. It's not even a question anymore.

Highlighted just how weak the republican party really is - they have no courage of conviction at all. How many times have we heard they want to repeal obamacare, and when they had the chance, they whiffed. Or reigning in spending and the debt - the "small government people" Nada. They are frankly not much different from the democrat party imo.

Highlighted just how far left the democrat party has gone. Some of them are running (and winning) as open socialists. As a former Dem, I don't even recognize this party anymore. I'm a white guy. According to them, I'm a racist, homophobe, xenophobe, mysogynist, dog hating, steals candy from children, kicks out the walker from seniors deplorable. I'm so sick of being painted with some kind of wide brush every time I glance at CNN. It's just pushing me further away from these idiots.

I don't even care about social issues really. I wanted some control on the border, some economic sanity in Washington, no more overseas wars, lower taxes and regulation, more freedom to succeed or fail, my tax money spent wisely (right) ...Trump was checking those boxes.

Not to mention I would have crawled naked over 3 miles of broken glass to vote against Hillary. I think she's the utter definition of a career politician, and exactly who I am sick of.

Codyboy, hope this gives you some insight since you asked. No, i don't like everything he does, but I did and still do like his policy positions. Don't like to get into politics so much on here as RC is my escape from the real world, but since you asked, here you go!

Thank you sir for your honest input. I know that our country is very much in need of change. Our government system seems that it just isn't working the way our for fathers intended!
I do appreciate some of the changes he is making but not all. What really bothers me is his caustic style and demeaner. And I'm sure his arms are at least 2 inches longer from reaching around and patting him self on the back!
And a very good job by you in sharing why you think he is good for the country.

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

I voted for him and I'll likely vote for him again in 2 years. Too many decades of the same old shit from the left and the right and now we have someone different at the top, I dig it. The media HATES him, the left HATES him and the right HATES him so based upon even that alone means he must be doing something right.

We just came from 8 years of media fawning over a president as the second coming of christ and the left and right liked him. That got us trillions of dollars into debt, insane healthcare costs we didn't have a choice but to pay and further into bed with people that hate us but like our money such as the UN.

I don't agree with his big mouth and how he goes about some things but I do love how he has bypassed the media that is twisting every single thing he says into the absolute worst possible thing ever. Journalism is mostly dead now that it is a 24 hour constant barrage of talking heads all trying to gain clicks and views before the next guy so they'll come up with the most off the wall sound bytes to get your attention.

As for wanting to "exclude" people I'm 100% all for it. We need to streamline the legal way to citizenship, that's the real issue. I've been working on farms my whole life so I've been around immigrant labor and for the most part all of them whether legal or illegal just wanted to work and make a better life for their families. Make it easier to be legal and more people will go that route.

A good response! You were one of the RCC members I hope would share your opinion. You are well read and there is no mistaking where you are coming from. I don't always agree with you but respect your input.
I have been wanting to do this thread for quite some time but never had the push to do it until now. My wife and I have just finished our second road trip in two years, just driving the US in our motorhome, 13 weeks total in the two trips. We have visited family, met some great new friends, but the main reason was to just see what our great country is really all about. We have made many new friends as we drove as many back roads as we could. We passed through all but three states in our trips and did not meet anyone that wasn't a friend. IMO the people we met are doing fine, our problem right now in our country is that our government system is broken! Like I said earlier, it will be interesting in 20 years to look back at this time in history and see if we all have the same opinion about what is going on now!
And I do like the mellower Whitetrash we have seen this year!


Ernie

[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by CODYBOY

A good response! You were one of the RCC members I hope would share your opinion. You are well read and there is no mistaking where you are coming from. I don't always agree with you but respect your input.
I have been wanting to do this thread for quite some time but never had the push to do it until now. My wife and I have just finished our second road trip in two years, just driving the US in our motorhome, 13 weeks total in the two trips. We have visited family, met some great new friends, but out main reason was to just see what our great country is really all about. We have made many new friends as we drove as many back roads as we could. We passed through all but three states in our trips and did not meet any that wasn't a friend. IMO the people we met are doing fine, our problem right now in our country is our government system is broken! Like I said earlier, it will be interesting in 20 years to look back at this time in history and see if we all have the same opinion about what is going on now!
And I do like the mellower Whitetrash we have seen this year!


Ernie

Travelling around the US you will be hard pressed to find anyone that is a rabid idiot. CA has a reputation as being a far left leaning state due to their voting history. When I first started driving down there I expected a shit show but instead was met with the exact opposite 99.999992% of the time. The political picture is painted by the big cities full of bought & paid for voters. Get away from the big population centers and you'll find nothing but good old fashioned humans.

This country is made up of good people that just want to be left alone to live their lives. The media doesn't report on Fred the farmer or Carl the construction worker because nobody would pay attention. Outlandish bullshit and sound bytes make headlines and get clicks so that is all we hear about. Look at the news, LGBTQ, racism, sexism, xenophobia etc etc etc. not a damned bit of normalcy is reported on the national news. To the outside world the US must look completely insane, same as it does to anyone that only watches the national news and doesn't bother to look beyond the headlines.

[NoobCrawler]

Originally Posted by CODYBOY

OK guys, thanks for your thoughts!! Like I said, I didn't start this thread to create a big debate, but to try and help some of us understand why he has your favor.


I'm a registered Republican but didn't vote for either candidate. I can't stand the thought that he has to be such a bully to anyone that disagrees with him. It seems that he sometimes speaks before he has time to digest the aftermath of what he is saying!! And why does he feel the need to give anyone who speaks out against him a negative nick name. As I see it he was born with that golden spoon in his mouth and has no idea how everyday common America lives. I don't think he has the ability for common sense reasoning. Hope you at least respect my thoughts on how he scares me and fear for the road he is leading this great country down. It will be interesting to hear how all of us think about this time in history 20 years from now!!


Ernie

I don’t quite understand the running off at the mouth either, but at the same time, I don’t exactly mind it. I don’t know if it’s just the NY’er in him...or just how he’s come to be being in the world he has. But he said proven that despite the nicknames given & the back & forth, he can work with those same people.

Originally Posted by Pant Danza

Ahhh. Damnit Mopar mans post has me really wanting to rip into it but it’s too early. All I can say is, boy that echo chamber is deep when your head is in the sand.

How many last straws do you need?

He’s a dangerous man not just because of the military power idling behind his dangerous words, but moreso because of his ability to indoctrinate as we see in exhibit A above. To really believe those things you have to have your eyes closed so tight and be so willfully ignorant of the world it is appalling. But here we are.

The scary part is he’s started a movement that won’t disappear after his term is over, the opposition needs to find an identity and one with some common ground before it gets further out of hand. People think he’s dumb but they are wrong. Trump is the master manipulator and knows exactly how to use his words to rile up the phobias and insecurities that have been sending our country backwards.

Inverted totalitarianism at best, fascism at worst. Neither is good for our country.

I find it comical when people criticize him over things all politicians do these days. Phobias & insecurities are page 1 & 2 of the political playbook. Remember the Ed Gilipse smear ad by his opponent where a truck with the name on a bumper sticker chasing some minority kid? I do. How many right mes a week are Republicans called racist using baseless claims?

Originally Posted by CODYBOY

No debate, but I disagree.
The desire to implement change is a good thing, but...……...it's some of his choices for change that I have a concern with. One would be his thoughts that climate change isn't happening! Just one example is the terrible fires we have been having in the west the last few years! His response is poor forest management, "we need to start raking our forests"! Does he really understand how stupid that make him sound?

Ernie

As far as Cali is concerned, he isn’t exactly wrong. I’ll use the NorCal fires from last year. PG&E, who is getting blamed/sued for not cutting back trees. Well, years prior they got sued for doing just that...cutting trees.

One thing I’d be interested to know about the current fires, is how much(if any) impact areas that could’ve benefited from control burns had on the spread of these fires. Also, while I haven’t read the bill, governor Brown is getting some flak for not signing some prevention bill in ‘16. As I said, I didn’t read the bill yet, so I don’t know if it’s genuine finger pointing or political dice pointing.

[CM9000]

I didn't vote for either. simply put, I didn't think either of them were fit for the job.

imho fwiw, I don't think the last 8-10 terms were worthy of having anybody that was selected. though I was born in 92' I did a lot of research in high school on our political figures over the last 60 years.

to a lot of people, my opinion does not really matter. that's okay. i don't really care. < im not even going to capitalize that i. i simply could care less. most people i meet, are not even into politics. just cars or crawlers.


are we on a good path as far as our political standings go? sure, i couldn't see why we are not. though i didn't vote for our current POTUS, i do wish him the best of luck guiding this country i call HOME.

[Inspector86]

Originally Posted by CODYBOY

No debate, but I disagree.
The desire to implement change is a good thing, but...……...it's some of his choices for change that I have a concern with. One would be his thoughts that climate change isn't happening! Just one example is the terrible fires we have been having in the west the last few years! His response is poor forest management, "we need to start raking our forests"! Does he really understand how stupid that make him sound?

Ernie

My wife recently retired from the US Forest Service after 30 years and when Trump made that comment about raking the forest she couldn't stop laughing for nearly an hour. Stupid does not even begin to describe this man. He lies and cheats every chance he gets. He has undermined the public trust with his fake news rhetoric. He has single handedly empowered the neo-nazi movement with his failure to condemn the movement and is directly responsible for the rise in violent attacks all over this country. Without a free press to keep an eye on politicians we would end up in a dictatorship which is exactly what Trump thinks he is. Trumps response to the killing of Jamal Khashoggi by a Saudi death squad, is despicable and just highlights how he is more interested in protecting his money over all else. I sincerely hope to see him in prision in the coming years.

[CODYBOY]

Being a retired Forest Service employee I have a little insight as to how our National Forest are managed. For the most part the forest managers hands are tied by rules, regulations and fear of law suits by friends of the forest type groups. To try and get a timber sale approved to even do a thinning takes so much time, research, and legal documentation by specialist ($$$) and then it needs to go into a public input stage, and each and every one of those comments need to be address by a NEPA team...…….and so on and so on. Even going out and "Raking the forest" would require some level of this process to be sure the T&E species habitat was not being destroyed!
I'm sure your Sequoia Forest mangers near Santa Rosa have to go through the same process. To say the least, the process is filled with red tape. Even to do managed controlled burns would take a process close to the above.

And to top it off, all the funding to achieve this takes funding approve by Congress! A sad conundrum it is.
Thanks for your insight guys!
Ernie

[CODYBOY]

Originally Posted by Inspector86

My wife recently retired from the US Forest Service after 30 years and when Trump made that comment about raking the forest she couldn't stop laughing for nearly an hour. Stupid does not even begin to describe this man. He lies and cheats every chance he gets. He has undermined the public trust with his fake news rhetoric. He has single handedly empowered the neo-nazi movement and is directly responsible for the rise in violent attacks all over this country. Without a free press to keep an eye on politicians we would end up in a dictatorship which is exactly what Trump thinks he is. Trumps response to the killing of Jamal Khashoggi by a Saudi death squad, is despicable and just highlights how he is more interested in protecting his money over all else. I sincerely hope to see him in prision in the coming years.

I had in 20 years with the FS and my wife had 33.

[Peaker]

We Danes once elected a clown into our parliament, but he just sat there one term and dident really do anything good or bad.
His party was called "conscious freeloaders" i think are the best translation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_...k-Shy_Elements
And the hint to the established parties was not taken at all.


I think the main good thing you / we could do in any country or democratic environment are to limit how long a person can actually serve his country in this the highest way ( politically )
Where i live and where we have 179 seats in our parliament it seem like some families have decided that Denmark can not exist unless one or more of those families members are in the parliament, and so they have taken 1 some times 2 seats for decades and so IMO stifled progress.
So in reality we only have 170 or so seats in out parliament if you disregard these sick self entitled A- holes.


Hard for me to fathom the American political environment with 2 "houses" and not forgetting the local branches too, it do seem overly complex to me as a outsider.
This and much more are all something i would like my American internet friends to tell me about if i ever got to meet them.

[OSRC]

Peaker, sadly most Americans could not name their local representatives, state legislators, or even federal representatives. Too busy not paying attention. It's a sad state, and we get the politicians we deserve.

I agree 100% on term limits for every politician at every level.

[JatoTheRipper]

Trump runs his mouth - all Presidents do it, but he does it more. That's stupid and I wish he wouldn't do it, but he has been a good President. He'd be an even better President if the liberals would stop him from doing what's right. He is trying to secure our borders, which Obama even said was a good thing, but now liberals are calling Trump a racist because of this. It's insane. A country without a border isn't a country. Your house has borders called walls. You wouldn't want illegals breaking into your house so why do we allow it to happen in our country?

[Topher Builds]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

Your house has borders called walls. You wouldn't want illegals breaking into your house so why do we allow it to happen in our country?

If their house was burning down and I was partially responsible for the fire I would.

Keep in mind they have to be in the country to apply for asylum as well.

The false equivalency of the crime in your analogy is part of the problem as well, with Trump’s rhetoric. Immigrants don’t come here to commit crime. Sure, some of them do, but that’s more of a reflection of human nature than their origin.



Secure borders are important but there’s a way to go about it and then there’s trump’s way. Deploying thousands of service members to the border just before the mid terms to waste millions of dollars and drum up more phobia inspired votes isn’t how to go about it. Separating families at the border and locking immigrant children in cages is not the way to go about it. Ethics aside, it’s a grand waste of money as it costs $775 a night per child in one of these tent cities, as opposed to a 2-350 for the family detentions that were previously established.

This is why I struggle so much with many Trump supporters. They all like what he says, it’s easy not to give a shit about other people’s problems when they don’t affect you, but very rarely is there any thought or research behind his impact. If there was you’d be hard pressed to support anything he does other than because “it’s a change of pace”.

I’ve voted republican more than democrat for presidencies in my lifetime but I’m not loyal to any party just because of the party itself. Trump isn’t even a republican, by his own admission he’s a nationalist. You know, like Stalin and Hitler.

I digress, our government absolutely needs term limits at all levels, including judges and the scotus. We also need to get away from corporate money and lobbying for a government that will ever truly act on the will of the people. We’re all products in this country and that won’t change until there’s a drastic overhaul of the way things are done and the faces of those that make the rules.