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dirk379 · 01-05-2008, 01:06 PM

Who all thinks engaging a DIG system should be pointed?

EDIT- I thought 1:1 WErock did this, i was up late and coulda swore i read it somewhere, but now i can't find it.. :oops:

Now if everyone ran dig, i bet more votes would come up as "Yes" point it.
However, If it was that way, the people running Dig would still have an advantage by taking a dig point vs mulitiple reverse points in certain areas on the course so they would still have an edge over non-dig users to an extent. DIG's would still be around even if it were.

For you guys who are voting "No" why don't you give some reasons?

Is it only because you have an advantage over other guys not running it, or because you've now bought this radio, bought the r2d, or what?

Seems only logical to count it as a point...

Harley · 01-05-2008, 01:17 PM

No - Because I have it and I don't care about the rest of you!

jason · 01-05-2008, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk379

Who all thinks engaging a DIG system should be pointed just like the 1:1 series?

Not a 1:1 series that I know of that gives points for digging now, or ever has there been.

CCFBERG · 01-05-2008, 01:25 PM

I voted no! Because: (not pointing at any one person) its not my fault you dont have dig on your rig and I do when we compete. The knowledge base is out there and available to make this setup from things most of us have already in our shops or work areas without going to the LHS. Get dig and there isnt a problem. Start adding rules to the already to many rules out there and things become complicated and not fun!

Here is an example for ya:

Most guys dont like fat chics! Fat chics know this! Dress codes in the work place are made to please the fat folks and help return the advantage in the fat favor over that hot ass brunet shaken her shit past your cube. Hot chick is forced to dress like the fat chic and it kinda levels everything out some what and fat chic doesnt complain that hot chic is hot and she is not. Just like some people not having dig on their rig!

Shawn

mrpink · 01-05-2008, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason

Not a 1:1 series that I know of that gives points for digging now, or ever has there been.

I was thinking the same thing. Just wasn't sure if you west coasters did things different. i have been to many events locally and never heard of a "Dig Point"

Do you have a link or something to this 1:1 series?

p!nK

dirk379 · 01-05-2008, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrpink

I was thinking the same thing. Just wasn't sure if you west coasters did things different. i have been to many events locally and never heard of a "Dig Point"

Do you have a link or something to this 1:1 series?

p!nK

Maybe i misunderstood the information.

EDIT- Nevermind, i re-read the rules and dont know where i read it. Sorry for the wrong info presented.

crawls2thewalls · 01-05-2008, 02:05 PM

NO, why should the deep wallets be punished..

don't be jealous!!

RocJoc · 01-05-2008, 02:14 PM

i voted yes, because it is unfair to the guys & gals that dont have it, i wish they would have a 2.2 class that is 4wd with front steering and thats it, and then a 2.2 unlimited class that you can run a dig,winch,front and rear steering, cutting brakes or what ever you can think up that is used in the 1.1 comps. i have a buggy with front and rear steer, one with a dig and sw2 with just front steering only i personally would take a rear steer over any of them but thats me......just my 2 cents

TLTCrawlin · 01-05-2008, 02:27 PM

True RocJoc, thats why us w/o dig will become better drivers then if we did get dig we would beat the guys with dig!

HndsWthtShdws · 01-05-2008, 02:49 PM

The way I see it dig is part of the rig; just like shocks, links, and wheels. Pointing it would be like giving points for articulation in my eyes.

LumTheMad · 01-05-2008, 02:57 PM

I voted yes because 4ws should be able to be used just like 1:1 buggys. I still don't get why there is no 4ws in some classes. 1:1 seem to have it alot more than just dig. If I was building a buggy, dig would be built in as an option but 4ws would be my first choice.

PS- Some of you really need to get a star.

joemomma95 · 01-05-2008, 03:19 PM

I voted NO and I don't have dig. It's been allowed since I've been into cralwing and I've never had it(yet). I think I do ok without it, I think the one guy with dig that I run with does ok. There's always an advantage to having it, but I don't think I'm at a disadvantage right now for not having it(I'm sure it could help in certain situations, anything can help my driving:-P)....besides, if I wanted to have dig then it's my option to have it. No one is requiring anyone to run dig or not run it and everything seems to be staying pretty fair in our crawling group.

DARKHORSE · 01-05-2008, 03:25 PM

I voted NO. Besides, Do you know how much of a pain it would be just to set up another class for 2.2 unlimited.> If you like having unlimited everything, Get a Super....

What next, A limited super.. Um dont think so..

And besides dig is cooler than 4ws...

Dont hate the player, Hate the game

RocJoc · 01-05-2008, 03:45 PM

no i dont see it being that hard to set up another class, it would be a unlimited class so you can run what ever you want and you wouldnt get any points for useing your dig, rear steer, winch or what ever, you can use the same scoring as the 2.2 class. what i dont understand is why you run a dig in 2.2 class but not rear steer, if you allow one then they should both be allowed. but we should have two classes to even things up.

Scattman · 01-05-2008, 03:50 PM

NO.....Player Hater

DUDE · 01-05-2008, 03:59 PM

I voted no because I can.

dirk379 · 01-05-2008, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RocJoc

no i dont see it being that hard to set up another class, it would be a unlimited class so you can run what ever you want and you wouldnt get any points for useing your dig, rear steer, winch or what ever, you can use the same scoring as the 2.2 class. what i dont understand is why you run a dig in 2.2 class but not rear steer, if you allow one then they should both be allowed. but we should have two classes to even things up.

nailed it.

I was hoping there were more guys like this than just local.

"dont hate the player hate the game"? Thats not the point. I've built a dig, it's not that i dont run one and dont know how to build one.

Norcal crawler · 01-05-2008, 04:18 PM

I voted No because when you are competing you use any advantage you can get to win. DIG is just another advantage. Like some people use tubers and some don't. One thing tubers have is more clearance than a regular chassis with a body. Does that mean that the guys running tubers should be penalized because they have an advantage? No. And i dont have DIG, but i learn to work without it and do just fine.

About the new class, have you ever been to a comp with 2.2s and supers? There isnt any time to run any other classes. Thats like saying supers should have a class for 17" wb, 18"wb, 19"wb... because the 18"wb supers might have an advantage over the 17"wb or the other way around.

Zardoz · 01-05-2008, 04:49 PM

I voted yes because using dig, IMHO, is no different then going in reverse or 4WS. The point is to get better position on, or going into, an obstacle. If dig is allowed then 4WS should be allowed and reverse should not be pointed. Reverse, dig and 4ws all require an action to be taken on the tx seperate then going forward.

TwistedCreations · 01-05-2008, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norcal crawler

One thing tubers have is more clearance than a regular chassis with a body.

I beg to differ on that one

View Poll Results: Should engaging DIG be pointed?
Yes	32	28.57%
No	68	60.71%
OR there should be an unlimited 2.2 class for the digs, winches, brakes, etc.	12	10.71%
Voters: 112. You may not vote on this poll

01-05-2008, 01:06 PM	#1
dirk379 RCC Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 1,530	Rule For DIG Who all thinks engaging a DIG system should be pointed? EDIT- I thought 1:1 WErock did this, i was up late and coulda swore i read it somewhere, but now i can't find it.. :oops: Now if everyone ran dig, i bet more votes would come up as "Yes" point it. However, If it was that way, the people running Dig would still have an advantage by taking a dig point vs mulitiple reverse points in certain areas on the course so they would still have an edge over non-dig users to an extent. DIG's would still be around even if it were. For you guys who are voting "No" why don't you give some reasons? Is it only because you have an advantage over other guys not running it, or because you've now bought this radio, bought the r2d, or what? Seems only logical to count it as a point... Last edited by dirk379; 01-05-2008 at 01:43 PM.

01-05-2008, 04:18 PM	#18
Norcal crawler RCC Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,361	I voted No because when you are competing you use any advantage you can get to win. DIG is just another advantage. Like some people use tubers and some don't. One thing tubers have is more clearance than a regular chassis with a body. Does that mean that the guys running tubers should be penalized because they have an advantage? No. And i dont have DIG, but i learn to work without it and do just fine. About the new class, have you ever been to a comp with 2.2s and supers? There isnt any time to run any other classes. Thats like saying supers should have a class for 17" wb, 18"wb, 19"wb... because the 18"wb supers might have an advantage over the 17"wb or the other way around. Last edited by Norcal crawler; 01-05-2008 at 04:22 PM.

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01-05-2008, 01:17 PM	#2
Harley 20K Club Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sending illegals home one Hayabusa at a time. Posts: 22,981	No - Because I have it and I don't care about the rest of you!

01-05-2008, 01:25 PM	#4
CCFBERG Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ramstein Air Base Germany ...ya Ive been Ramshafted Posts: 567	I voted no! Because: (not pointing at any one person) its not my fault you dont have dig on your rig and I do when we compete. The knowledge base is out there and available to make this setup from things most of us have already in our shops or work areas without going to the LHS. Get dig and there isnt a problem. Start adding rules to the already to many rules out there and things become complicated and not fun! Here is an example for ya: Most guys dont like fat chics! Fat chics know this! Dress codes in the work place are made to please the fat folks and help return the advantage in the fat favor over that hot ass brunet shaken her shit past your cube. Hot chick is forced to dress like the fat chic and it kinda levels everything out some what and fat chic doesnt complain that hot chic is hot and she is not. Just like some people not having dig on their rig! Shawn

01-05-2008, 02:05 PM	#7
crawls2thewalls Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NOR*CAL Posts: 476	NO, why should the deep wallets be punished.. don't be jealous!!

01-05-2008, 02:14 PM	#8
RocJoc Quarry Creeper Join Date: May 2004 Location: ROCK CRAWLIN AND RACING WHERE I WANT AND HOW I WANT!!! Posts: 413	i voted yes, because it is unfair to the guys & gals that dont have it, i wish they would have a 2.2 class that is 4wd with front steering and thats it, and then a 2.2 unlimited class that you can run a dig,winch,front and rear steering, cutting brakes or what ever you can think up that is used in the 1.1 comps. i have a buggy with front and rear steer, one with a dig and sw2 with just front steering only i personally would take a rear steer over any of them but thats me......just my 2 cents

01-05-2008, 02:27 PM	#9
TLTCrawlin I wanna be Dave Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Eastern WA Posts: 2,489	True RocJoc, thats why us w/o dig will become better drivers then if we did get dig we would beat the guys with dig!

01-05-2008, 02:49 PM	#10
HndsWthtShdws Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 341	The way I see it dig is part of the rig; just like shocks, links, and wheels. Pointing it would be like giving points for articulation in my eyes.

01-05-2008, 02:57 PM	#11
LumTheMad Hell's Gnome Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: I'm mean because you're stupid. Posts: 334	I voted yes because 4ws should be able to be used just like 1:1 buggys. I still don't get why there is no 4ws in some classes. 1:1 seem to have it alot more than just dig. If I was building a buggy, dig would be built in as an option but 4ws would be my first choice. PS- Some of you really need to get a star.

01-05-2008, 03:19 PM	#12
joemomma95 Rock Crawler Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sierra Vista Posts: 672	I voted NO and I don't have dig. It's been allowed since I've been into cralwing and I've never had it(yet). I think I do ok without it, I think the one guy with dig that I run with does ok. There's always an advantage to having it, but I don't think I'm at a disadvantage right now for not having it(I'm sure it could help in certain situations, anything can help my driving:-P)....besides, if I wanted to have dig then it's my option to have it. No one is requiring anyone to run dig or not run it and everything seems to be staying pretty fair in our crawling group.

01-05-2008, 03:25 PM	#13
DARKHORSE RCC Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,329	I voted NO. Besides, Do you know how much of a pain it would be just to set up another class for 2.2 unlimited.> If you like having unlimited everything, Get a Super.... What next, A limited super.. Um dont think so.. And besides dig is cooler than 4ws... Dont hate the player, Hate the game

01-05-2008, 03:45 PM	#14
RocJoc Quarry Creeper Join Date: May 2004 Location: ROCK CRAWLIN AND RACING WHERE I WANT AND HOW I WANT!!! Posts: 413	no i dont see it being that hard to set up another class, it would be a unlimited class so you can run what ever you want and you wouldnt get any points for useing your dig, rear steer, winch or what ever, you can use the same scoring as the 2.2 class. what i dont understand is why you run a dig in 2.2 class but not rear steer, if you allow one then they should both be allowed. but we should have two classes to even things up.

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01-05-2008, 03:50 PM	#15
Scattman Official Cook of the ECC Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hawthorne, Florida Posts: 2,653	NO.....Player Hater

01-05-2008, 03:59 PM	#16
DUDE RCC Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The other Crawler State Posts: 1,247	I voted no because I can.

01-05-2008, 04:49 PM	#19
Zardoz Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 292	I voted yes because using dig, IMHO, is no different then going in reverse or 4WS. The point is to get better position on, or going into, an obstacle. If dig is allowed then 4WS should be allowed and reverse should not be pointed. Reverse, dig and 4ws all require an action to be taken on the tx seperate then going forward.

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