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View Poll Results: Should the -10 point Judging bonus be changed? | |||
Yes, give the Judges free entry in one class. | 16 | 44.44% | |
Yes, give the Judges free entry in one class and $5. | 6 | 16.67% | |
Yes, change the rule to ............. (post up what you think) | 3 | 8.33% | |
No, keep the rule the way it is. | 11 | 30.56% | |
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01-25-2008, 01:15 PM | #41 |
MODERHATER™ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado
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01-25-2008, 01:22 PM | #42 |
RCC Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: California
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I'm not a CO guy, but imo, the -10 shouldnt be a rule. The scores should be based on driver skill, not judging. I voted to give them $5 because at the comps i go to, i see how hard it can be to judge. You can't watch other people run other courses so when you are up for those, you have to kinda start over. But again, the scores should have NOTHING to do with judging, or anything else besides driving. Thats totally unfair to everyone else who didn't judge, and those who actually earned their points by their skill.
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01-25-2008, 01:25 PM | #43 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Colorado Springs
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| Everyone saw how I completely choked and Stewey whipped my ass on the finals at PP!! |
01-25-2008, 01:29 PM | #44 |
[HOONIGAN] Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Grand Junction
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| Yes, but saying he got 6th is even more unfair. I would rather have 5th than 6th even if it's still not 100% accurate.
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01-25-2008, 01:30 PM | #45 | |
R.I.P. Chip Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The Crawler State
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I don't want people to think I just pulled the -10 thing from my ass. I talked to a lot of people about it last year and everyone I talked to liked the idea. If we decide to change the past 2 events all I am going to do is remove the -10 from each person and resort by the totals, there will be no hypothetical stuff added "if I would have ran the finals course..." The main reason we did this is because I got sick and tired of begging for judges at every event. I personally do not judge for 2 reasons, 1. I suck at it, my ADD takes over and I end up watching the driver or bs'ing and not keeping score. 2. I spend hours doing the scoring for each event. With that said how about let's all come up with ideas on how you'd like to go about this and we'll make a new poll for everyone to vote on. | |
01-25-2008, 01:34 PM | #46 | |
PapaGriz Yo Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the garage building the wife a crawler
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I wouldn't judge for money, I'd rather have the opportunity to study lines. | |
01-25-2008, 01:37 PM | #47 | |
[HOONIGAN] Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Grand Junction
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I like the removing 10 points from the scores and resorting idea too, no bs'ing blah blah blah stuff. I think we should pull numbers out off a hat for all 6 judges at each comp. If you don't know the rules don't compete! Also, like I said earlier, I'm down for being a dedicated judge if need be. | |
01-25-2008, 01:41 PM | #48 | |
PapaGriz Yo Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the garage building the wife a crawler
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I am opposed to changing anything at this point in the series. In the future, if we kept this, I'd suggest a smaller bonus of 5 points. | |
01-25-2008, 01:43 PM | #49 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Colorado Springs
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| So is that the reason I did so bad on the finals course!!! |
01-25-2008, 01:47 PM | #50 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: One Legend.
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Do you guys have a -10 bonus gate? If so, just give them the -10 and don't make/let them attempt the bonus gate.
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01-25-2008, 01:48 PM | #51 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: R.I.P. Chip
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Sometimes we do the bonus gate stuff, but most of the time not.
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01-25-2008, 01:50 PM | #52 |
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Funky Town
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Rocket----------> My Idea= BOOM! Consistency is important. I see your point. Now that I really get the gears turning I see now why it came down to -10. But still the comp should be decided based on performance on the course not clip board... Well thats all I had atm... back to brainstorming. It seems a free entry into the comp is pretty good reward. Has anyone talked to Axial about sponsoring the series? Maybe they could supply give-a-ways for judges @ these events in turn you take $5 off axial drivers (Axial Event) entry or post banners and all that at comp?? Thoughts? |
01-25-2008, 01:55 PM | #53 |
RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Chucking rocks at your little truck!
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I'm just happy having fun. Thanks, Judges and Jason for your personal time every comp. We should can the -10. Then everyone should pitch in for a Shotgun Willies "judges" party. That place always makes a difference. |
01-25-2008, 01:59 PM | #54 | ||
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Then I go back to judge for a while. Now I'm called to run course 2. I get to watch one guy before me start, but point out 1/2 way through. Now it's my turn and I didn't see anyone run the 2nd half of the course. I got lucky and cleaned it. Quote:
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01-25-2008, 02:01 PM | #55 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: R.I.P. Chip
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How bout free RCC Swag for Judges! I would gladly trade my -20 points for the series for a Shirt, Hat or Hoodie!!
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01-25-2008, 02:02 PM | #56 | ||
Rock Crawler Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Man Cave!
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rubbaneck 39 1st wrecker 54 2nd jason 66 3rd bender 68 4th turtle 72 5th after judges got -10 and before finals course. rubbaneck 1st wrecker 2nd bender 3rd jason 4th turtle 5th after finals course with -10 Bender 1st wrecker 2nd rubbaneck 3rd jason 4th turtle 5th without judging bonus it would have been wrecker 1st rubbaneck 2nd jason 3rd bender 4th turtle 5th Now I know why your upset wrecker! By the way 6th place didn't get shafted out of anything. I agree a -10 is a lot, but like Grizzly said, when you judge it is a detriment and makes it tougher on the rest of your runs. Usually, you end up running all three courses in a row which sucks. I also think you can't reset it now, it is to late. Like grizzly stated, he would need to run a finals course that is no longer set-up and the conditions wouldn't be the same. This judging thing is strategic, you still need to drive well the day you judge or it won't help you that much at all, which I have seen in the 1st 2 comps. What I don't understand is that with all the people at these comps, there should be a new group of judges at every comp, except maybe in supers. If the vets need to call out to help a newbie, then they should do it, every member should learn how to judge. I offered for Rogue and will offer to help any others also, just as long as other people that understand the rules help out too. The only discrepancy I saw in the scores was Dirks 122, which should actually be 160 Sorry Dirk! Last edited by STEW<CO>; 01-25-2008 at 02:07 PM. | ||
01-25-2008, 02:15 PM | #57 |
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Englewood, CO
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In comp 1, I would have beaten Patrick isn't wasnt for the darned -10!! |
01-25-2008, 02:36 PM | #58 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Colorado Springs
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I hate to say this, but StewCO has some good points!!! What about a mentoring program. The first comp you judge, you have one of you old seasoned veterans there to hold our hands and make sure we are not screwing it up. That has been my biggest fear! I know most of the rules but some of them are a judgement call and honestly don't know them all that well. I am with Griz, I like watching others run before me. What about some sort of 4th judge(floater), that will releive everyone on a rotational basis. That way everyone can see the courses and still have the consitancy of the same judges.
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01-25-2008, 02:43 PM | #59 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Man Cave!
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The only way the hat thing works is if everyone is put in and then when your number is pulled that number is removed till everyone has had a turn judging. Judging is cool to do in my opinion, but I also think it affects your runs and should be rewarded. Maybe a -5 instead and you only get it in the class you run/judge. I'm also for a different way to reward judges that doesn't affect the scoring, what ever will appease. When I 1st heard about this rule I also thought it could be unfair, but I realized it was a rule and adapted to it. I think the overall will even out when everyone judges and things will be just fine. I state again that I think it shouldn't be changed until next year! On another note, should a competitor be able to pass his spot to the nationals to the next guy down on the totum pole that can go? |
01-25-2008, 03:02 PM | #60 |
R.I.P. Chip Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The Crawler State
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