Colorado guys: Gate clearing thoughts for rules

[Grizzly4x4]

Ok, so I voted the way the poll went in the last thread. I voted for the centerline definition as the majority voted for, but the area definition of a gate won.

So given the new definition of a gate which would you prefer.

1) A cleared gate is defined by; after the axle nut passes completely through the gate.

2) A cleared gate is defined by; after the vehicle's tire passes completely through the gate.

Turtle was able to explain the benefit of using the whole tire rather than just the axle nut.

Originally Posted by TURTLE

I see this as the center of the gates how you worded it...
I have been thinking about this more and I get what you are saying griz, by clearing the gates with the tires it would be impossible for a driver to challenge a judge in regards to hitting a gate, if a gate was hit it would be clear that it was not cleared yet, unless the rig slide backwards after clearing the gate. However I do believe that would be easy to see.
There are many examples where it would be more challenging to judge if it went through the gate completely, but in my eyes not nearly as many as our present way of judging a gate progress, if this is what you had in mind Griz Im all for it.

I don't feel that there was anything wrong with the way we were doing things but I do see the benefit to the way some other clubs do it.

Post your opinions and vote please.

[BEELZEBOB]

i'd say #1

only because thats the measured length of the vehicle, therefore common in all rigs?

[Rubbaneck]

Can we vote for this as the finish gate while on the subject?

[Grizzly4x4]

Originally Posted by Rubbaneck

Can we vote for this as the finish gate while on the subject?

Since we are trying to make things foolproof I'd say yes. I'll bring it up to the committee.

Originally Posted by BEELZEBOB

i'd say #1

only because thats the measured length of the vehicle, therefore common in all rigs?

That is a good point.

[cato]

#1...:?

[666]

Originally Posted by Rubbaneck

Can we vote for this as the finish gate while on the subject?

They would just shut it down and say it's too long.....

[STEW<CO>]

I was thinking #2 until beezle piped in. After consideration, I believe a progress shouldn't be decided by the size of a rigs tires, it should be determined by the wheelbase, hence the rear axle centerline.


I have spoken, it is law.

[engineerjoe]

I voted #2 because I think it is easier to judge and less "grey area"

What size tires you use is your decision, I don't think the size of the tire is going to make that much of a difference between #1 and #2.

[engineerjoe]

Originally Posted by BEELZEBOB

i'd say #1

only because thats the measured length of the vehicle, therefore common in all rigs?

wheelbase is not common in all rigs, it just has to be under 12.5"

[MystRacing]

I voted for the Axle nuts like almost everyone.

Here's a logic exercise:?

However; based on Turtles reasoning. If you use the axle nut to call the gate cleared a person could still hit the gate after clearing it without sliding backward because the tire is still within the gate area. Logically it would dictate the result will be the back of the tires based on the same reasoning.

Also just to complicate things I have to ask which axle nut or tire? It probably should be defined as the 4th axle nut or 4th tire that has to pass completely through the gate because the truck doesn't always pass through the gate perpendicular to the gate. Which of course brings up the point that you can't actually see the axle nut on the opposite side of the truck so it would be inherently less accurate than using the tire.

So it seems the result would be "A cleared gate is defined by; after the vehicle's 4th tire passes completely through the gate."

Because someone would question the definition of the forth tire, (claiming thier right front or in scalers maybe the spare is thier 4th tire) then you'd have to define what the 4th tire is. Maybe just say "after all 4 driving tires have passed completely through the gate". Then Turtles explanation would still be valid reasoning for why it's the way it is and it probably would be the easiest call for the judge to make.

[70duncan]

I voted for #1. I think this is the best way of doing it.

[skid plate]

Originally Posted by MystRacing

I voted for the Axle nuts like almost everyone.

Here's a logic exercise:?

However; based on Turtles reasoning. If you use the axle nut to call the gate cleared a person could still hit the gate after clearing it without sliding backward because the tire is still within the gate area. Logically it would dictate the result will be the back of the tires based on the same reasoning.

Also just to complicate things I have to ask which axle nut or tire? It probably should be defined as the 4th axle nut or 4th tire that has to pass completely through the gate because the truck doesn't always pass through the gate perpendicular to the gate. Which of course brings up the point that you can't actually see the axle nut on the opposite side of the truck so it would be inherently less accurate than using the tire.

So it seems the result would be "A cleared gate is defined by; after the vehicle's 4th tire passes completely through the gate."

Because someone would question the definition of the forth tire, (claiming thier right front or in scalers maybe the spare is thier 4th tire) then you'd have to define what the 4th tire is. Maybe just say "after all 4 driving tires have passed completely through the gate". Then Turtles explanation would still be valid reasoning for why it's the way it is and it probably would be the easiest call for the judge to make.

Here's a logic question.

You got yerself a weedwacker?

JC
:-P

[skid plate]

Originally Posted by STEW

I was thinking #2 until beezle piped in. After consideration, I believe a progress shouldn't be decided by the size of a rigs tires, it should be determined by the wheelbase, hence the rear axle centerline.


I have spoken, it is law.

How long has it been since you have heard?

I love you man! ha ha

JC

[Comark]

I vote #1

Originally Posted by skid plate

Here's a logic question.

You got yerself a weedwacker?

JC
:-P

Hell Yes I Gotta Weedwacker!!!!!

[MystRacing]

Originally Posted by skid plate

Here's a logic question.

You got yerself a weedwacker?

JC
:-P

Yes, but it's just a little girly one with no smoke:-(

[BEELZEBOB]

Somebody listened to me.

lol, thats new