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Grizzly4x4 · 10-07-2009, 01:22 PM

Juan (CHUD) and I were talking and something we thought of.

Lets make the class beginner friendly, but not beginner only.

From what I have seen over the years is that most guys just want to finish courses and feel like they are competitive. They don't necessarily want to only drive against other beginners and they don't have to win to feel good about what they did.
When you have good drivers to compete against you can learn alot from them and they make you drive better.
A guy without dig may have trouble learning what to do in a situation by watching Jay drive because if he doesn't have dig he won't know what to do in the situation where dig was used. But in a class where neither one has dig, the new driver can learn alot about what to do (or not to do

).

FinishLineRC · 10-07-2009, 01:30 PM

Ive been bumping around having a sportsman comp here ....I like the rules and I want to implement it in the schedule but I didnt think I could get it into this winter series. I want to run a separate series...not on the same days. ?????

FinishLineRC · 10-07-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

Juan (CHUD) and I were talking and something we thought of.

Lets make the class beginner friendly, but not beginner only.

From what I have seen over the years is that most guys just want to finish courses and feel like they are competitive. They don't necessarily want to only drive against other beginners and they don't have to win to feel good about what they did.
When you have good drivers to compete against you can learn alot from them and they make you drive better.
A guy without dig may have trouble learning what to do in a situation by watching Jay drive because if he doesn't have dig he won't know what to do in the situation where dig was used. But in a class where neither one has dig, the new driver can learn alot about what to do (or not to do

).

To add to that some drivers had dig and or bergs to start so this would really be a hard drive...probably frustrating somewhat cause they are use to being able to do whatever. More fun for NON beginners too!! (I remember these days!! I have a stampeded SW2 with TLT axles right here.......ahhhh old school!!)

C*H*U*D · 10-07-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

When you have good drivers to compete against you can learn alot from them and they make you drive better.

After driving with Chris today at lunch, I feel even more strongly about having everyone compete in this class, and not just new drivers. I know that there won't be someone there to coax every driver through every gate (thanks for the patience Chris

), but just watching a better driver run the same line first, really helps. Just my 2 cents.

monkeyracer · 10-07-2009, 04:14 PM

I think that this class should be possible for someone to pick up a box stock RTC and actually have a chance at winning (assuming they can drive), regardless of who's competing.

I think finishing a course is a big thing. I've only finished 2 courses ever, and having that satisfaction of being able to finish a course is a good thing to keep me going the next course or competition.

If we start to get into too many rules it becomes a hassle, too few rules and people get away with cheating (or massively bending rules beyond their intention)

I'd say, at the very minimum, all box stock RTRs are eligible. Losi, Duratrax, Axial, etc. If it has the stock radio and esc, for sure, they should be able to compete. I don't think I've seen an RTR berg, so that would prevent them from running. As far as other rigs, kit bashes, etc. As long as there is no clear advantage over the above mentioned RTRs, then I'd say they should be ok too.

BILLYGOAT · 10-07-2009, 04:15 PM

my only concern is time. with 3 classes already taking most of 1 day adding another class that is open to all makes for a teribley long day . but if the field is limited then could see it working. i understand the points made ,i just feel there is a class for seasoned driver called 1.9 that is simmilar already.

monkeyracer · 10-07-2009, 04:46 PM

only because I had considered 1.9 before...

I don't want to run 1.9, it's a totally different class. I don't want to go and buy a whole new vehicle (as do a lot of "seasoned" drivers) just to run a stripped down class. The 1.9 class was specifically designed for ONE vehicle and ONE vehicle only, the Losi MRC. Anything else is either too big or has too many motors.

Most of us already have 2.2s and the parts to make a sportsman legal 2.2, and those who don't can usually build one for pretty damn cheap (have you seen the price on the venom lately?) So just saying seasoned vets should just run 1.9s isn't gonna cut it. I could potentially run the same rig in both classes (just make sure to not use dig!) and actually have fun.

If that was the answer, there would be a whole lot more 1.9s being run each comp.

I'd say to start, as finishlinerc said, we'd have to do it on a different day, at least at first. We can see how many people actually show up. If it's a bunch of people, then it's worth a seperate day, if it's only a handful of guys, then combine into the regular comp day. easy peasy.

The rules will change as we start to see what happens with the class, but a good start will be the way to go.

BILLYGOAT · 10-07-2009, 04:51 PM

agree to dissagree. have fun with it

slowrockr · 10-07-2009, 05:49 PM

I think everyone knows how I feel about the piss ants but I wouldn't mind using alot of these old parts layin around here. Hell untill my berg I never had dig anyway.

If it could be worked out to fit in the day I'd build something to run.

TURTLE · 10-07-2009, 09:53 PM

A fellow crawler and I were just talking about it, just talking, and here in Colorado I can see a lot of people being interested in this class, with that said "if" it did run with the rest of the winter series classes maybe it could be worked it so it was the only class people ran, and it ran all day. So if you ran sportsman class you would not be allowed to run the other classes...
With that said why would you want to anyway?

slowrockr · 10-08-2009, 07:52 AM

FinishLineRC · 10-08-2009, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TURTLE

A fellow crawler and I were just talking about it, just talking, and here in Colorado I can see a lot of people being interested in this class, with that said "if" it did run with the rest of the winter series classes maybe it could be worked it so it was the only class people ran, and it ran all day. So if you ran sportsman class you would not be allowed to run the other classes...
With that said why would you want to anyway?

Why would they??? They dont have money for dig, they have a new truck w/o dig, they have a 2nd truck thats not getting used, they dont match up well with the bergs nor compete regularly well so this class would be better suited for them,,,,or they just want to feel/drive an old school rig. It doesnt have to be a part of the winter series to work.....there are many people who do not run that series regularly....and there are alot of crawlers you dont even know. So.......why wouldnt they?

BILLYGOAT · 10-08-2009, 09:31 AM

HEY GRIZ, LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR WORK CUT OUT. THANKS FOR THE JOB YOU DO OF FIGURING OUT HOW TO INTERPERATE ALL OUR IDEAS INTO ONE CONCENSUS. IT CAN BE A THANKLESS TASKTO BE A REPRESETATIVE FOR A GROUP SO....

THANKS

flapjack · 10-08-2009, 02:01 PM

i personally have a way custom rig and have had massive issues with my dig and think that a class like this would be awesome....as well as good for guys like me who have way too many other things to take care of other then crawling and such...ive done alot of comps last winter and early spring and got totally frustrated because i stood no chance against a dig mounted truck....didnt matter if i drove better or worse..so i put one on proper setup and multiple servo/battery combos...nothing but issues..electrical issues ruined it for me...those of you who know me saw me just dissapear and not want to drive my truck.....so all crying in my beer aside this would be an excellent idea and hope it dosent get fuddled up to much with bs and odd restrictions... i dont run a dig now or dual motor axles...went out to finishline for the grand reopening and since i didnt have a dig...couldnt even start 2 of the courses..not bitching about it..the courses are supposed to be had but this kind of thing is extremely discouraging to new drivers

Grizzly4x4 · 10-08-2009, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILLYGOAT

HEY GRIZ, LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR WORK CUT OUT. THANKS FOR THE JOB YOU DO OF FIGURING OUT HOW TO INTERPERATE ALL OUR IDEAS INTO ONE CONCENSUS. IT CAN BE A THANKLESS TASKTO BE A REPRESETATIVE FOR A GROUP SO....

THANKS

Thanks John. I'll do what I can.

TURTLE · 10-08-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FinishLineRC

Why would they??? They dont have money for dig, they have a new truck w/o dig, they have a 2nd truck thats not getting used, they dont match up well with the bergs nor compete regularly well so this class would be better suited for them,,,,or they just want to feel/drive an old school rig. It doesnt have to be a part of the winter series to work.....there are many people who do not run that series regularly....and there are alot of crawlers you dont even know. So.......why wouldnt they?

Why would you want to run the other classes, was what I was saying, especially since you can't afford dig. How can you afford other crawlers. After all this class was introduced as a gate way class. Now chill out and go back to never answering your phone.

icer · 10-08-2009, 06:04 PM

Billygoat is right, Whether or not this happens.(I think it will) Grizz, thanks for taking on this new class. And to all the crawlers that have put their 2 cents in.

monkeyracer · 10-08-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TURTLE

Why would you want to run the other classes, was what I was saying, especially since you can't afford dig. How can you afford other crawlers. After all this class was introduced as a gate way class. Now chill out and go back to never answering your phone.

It seemed like you were saying that you would be restricted to only the sportsman, even if you had a 1.9 or anything, you could only run the sportsman. I think that's why Dan responded that way.

Even though the class is a kind of gateway class, it can be a lot of fun for pros to drive a stripped rig, and get back into the "good ol days" before there was dig, when tlts were the standard fare.

paintballer9876 · 10-08-2009, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TURTLE

Why would you want to run the other classes, was what I was saying, especially since you can't afford dig. How can you afford other crawlers. After all this class was introduced as a gate way class. Now chill out and go back to never answering your phone.

if someone started out with a mini and just bought an axial rtc or the like and is slowly upgrading, they shouldnt be limited to only run the sportmans class.

Almighty Malach · 10-08-2009, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TURTLE

Why would you want to run the other classes, was what I was saying, especially since you can't afford dig. How can you afford other crawlers. After all this class was introduced as a gate way class. Now chill out and go back to never answering your phone.

So just eliminate people with more than one truck? Shouldn't we be looking at this like a spec class so it's a driver's class and a gateway class? And don't say we have 1.9's for a drivers class; there's a reason why there's so many for sale...

10-08-2009, 02:01 PM	#54
flapjack Rock Crawler Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: crawlorado Posts: 555	i personally have a way custom rig and have had massive issues with my dig and think that a class like this would be awesome....as well as good for guys like me who have way too many other things to take care of other then crawling and such...ive done alot of comps last winter and early spring and got totally frustrated because i stood no chance against a dig mounted truck....didnt matter if i drove better or worse..so i put one on proper setup and multiple servo/battery combos...nothing but issues..electrical issues ruined it for me...those of you who know me saw me just dissapear and not want to drive my truck.....so all crying in my beer aside this would be an excellent idea and hope it dosent get fuddled up to much with bs and odd restrictions... i dont run a dig now or dual motor axles...went out to finishline for the grand reopening and since i didnt have a dig...couldnt even start 2 of the courses..not bitching about it..the courses are supposed to be had but this kind of thing is extremely discouraging to new drivers Last edited by flapjack; 10-08-2009 at 02:03 PM.

10-07-2009, 01:22 PM	#41
Grizzly4x4 PapaGriz Yo Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the garage building the wife a crawler Posts: 13,137	Juan (CHUD) and I were talking and something we thought of. Lets make the class beginner friendly, but not beginner only. From what I have seen over the years is that most guys just want to finish courses and feel like they are competitive. They don't necessarily want to only drive against other beginners and they don't have to win to feel good about what they did. When you have good drivers to compete against you can learn alot from them and they make you drive better. A guy without dig may have trouble learning what to do in a situation by watching Jay drive because if he doesn't have dig he won't know what to do in the situation where dig was used. But in a class where neither one has dig, the new driver can learn alot about what to do (or not to do ).

10-07-2009, 01:30 PM	#42
FinishLineRC Rock Crawler Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 518	Ive been bumping around having a sportsman comp here ....I like the rules and I want to implement it in the schedule but I didnt think I could get it into this winter series. I want to run a separate series...not on the same days. ?????

10-07-2009, 04:14 PM	#45
monkeyracer I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Golden Posts: 2,588	I think that this class should be possible for someone to pick up a box stock RTC and actually have a chance at winning (assuming they can drive), regardless of who's competing. I think finishing a course is a big thing. I've only finished 2 courses ever, and having that satisfaction of being able to finish a course is a good thing to keep me going the next course or competition. If we start to get into too many rules it becomes a hassle, too few rules and people get away with cheating (or massively bending rules beyond their intention) I'd say, at the very minimum, all box stock RTRs are eligible. Losi, Duratrax, Axial, etc. If it has the stock radio and esc, for sure, they should be able to compete. I don't think I've seen an RTR berg, so that would prevent them from running. As far as other rigs, kit bashes, etc. As long as there is no clear advantage over the above mentioned RTRs, then I'd say they should be ok too.

10-07-2009, 04:15 PM	#46
BILLYGOAT RCC Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: RAMBLIN Posts: 1,713	my only concern is time. with 3 classes already taking most of 1 day adding another class that is open to all makes for a teribley long day . but if the field is limited then could see it working. i understand the points made ,i just feel there is a class for seasoned driver called 1.9 that is simmilar already.

10-07-2009, 04:46 PM	#47
monkeyracer I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Golden Posts: 2,588	only because I had considered 1.9 before... I don't want to run 1.9, it's a totally different class. I don't want to go and buy a whole new vehicle (as do a lot of "seasoned" drivers) just to run a stripped down class. The 1.9 class was specifically designed for ONE vehicle and ONE vehicle only, the Losi MRC. Anything else is either too big or has too many motors. Most of us already have 2.2s and the parts to make a sportsman legal 2.2, and those who don't can usually build one for pretty damn cheap (have you seen the price on the venom lately?) So just saying seasoned vets should just run 1.9s isn't gonna cut it. I could potentially run the same rig in both classes (just make sure to not use dig!) and actually have fun. If that was the answer, there would be a whole lot more 1.9s being run each comp. I'd say to start, as finishlinerc said, we'd have to do it on a different day, at least at first. We can see how many people actually show up. If it's a bunch of people, then it's worth a seperate day, if it's only a handful of guys, then combine into the regular comp day. easy peasy. The rules will change as we start to see what happens with the class, but a good start will be the way to go.

10-07-2009, 04:51 PM	#48
BILLYGOAT RCC Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: RAMBLIN Posts: 1,713	agree to dissagree. have fun with it

10-07-2009, 05:49 PM	#49
slowrockr I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Under the 4444 Posts: 2,345	I think everyone knows how I feel about the piss ants but I wouldn't mind using alot of these old parts layin around here. Hell untill my berg I never had dig anyway. If it could be worked out to fit in the day I'd build something to run.

10-07-2009, 09:53 PM	#50
TURTLE Gettin’ back on the horse Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hoonsville Posts: 6,671	A fellow crawler and I were just talking about it, just talking, and here in Colorado I can see a lot of people being interested in this class, with that said "if" it did run with the rest of the winter series classes maybe it could be worked it so it was the only class people ran, and it ran all day. So if you ran sportsman class you would not be allowed to run the other classes... With that said why would you want to anyway?

10-08-2009, 07:52 AM	#51
slowrockr I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Under the 4444 Posts: 2,345

10-08-2009, 09:31 AM	#53
BILLYGOAT RCC Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: RAMBLIN Posts: 1,713	HEY GRIZ, LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR WORK CUT OUT. THANKS FOR THE JOB YOU DO OF FIGURING OUT HOW TO INTERPERATE ALL OUR IDEAS INTO ONE CONCENSUS. IT CAN BE A THANKLESS TASKTO BE A REPRESETATIVE FOR A GROUP SO.... THANKS

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10-08-2009, 06:04 PM	#57
icer Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: arvada Posts: 6	Billygoat is right, Whether or not this happens.(I think it will) Grizz, thanks for taking on this new class. And to all the crawlers that have put their 2 cents in.

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