Top Truck Challenge series

[TURTLE]

Dates and locations for Top Truck Series

February 20th -Finishline RC
March 27th – Lutz
April 17th - 108th and washington
May 15th - Mile Marker 247, 285
June 19th -TBA
July 24th - Mt. Evans
August 14th - Morrison

Official Scale Rules will be used:

B]Class-3 “Modified”[/B]
• Description - An off-road vehicle that you would build from the ground up and might see in a TTC/KOH type competition.

General Vehicle Details
• You are encouraged to go above and beyond to make your truck as scale as possible
• Vehicles must resemble a real 1:1 rig and it will be up to the collective group to vote on whether a questionable rig is accepted or not.
• Tire size will be determined by advertised manufacturer specs. (tires without available specs will be measured off the truck as mounted on the wheel laid flat)
•Tire modification:
Class-1 Street. No tire modification is allowed.
Class-2 Trail. Tire lugs may be removed, sipped, grooved and/or trimmed.
Class-3 Modified. Tire reduction and narrowing is permitted, as well as all modifications listed above.
• You must run a rail chassis (for example: Bruiser/Mountaineer, SCX-10, Reign RC K2-3S, 3L, 4, 5, MFM, X-Trail, CR-01, UTE, etc...) No TVP (twin vertical plate) chassis' or frame rail extensions on a TVPs. The exception to this rule is the Tamiya CC-01 or TA-02 ,(Hummer, S-10, Ford F-150 and Toyota Hilux)and Modified class Tubers.
• 4 wheel steering or dig is allowed in modified class only (must choose 1 per course)
• No "Motor On Axle" (MOA) of any kind. Your axles must be driven by one transmission or transfer case and a minimum of two drive shafts (except CC‐01, TA ‐02 etc..). No separate throttle control of drive shafts or axles.
• There are no Wheel distinctions. For example you can run a 1.55, 1.9, 2.0 or 2.2 rim in any class. Wheels larger than 2.2 are not allowed in any class and no Short course style wheels 1.9/2.2 split diameters
• Spare Tires must be within 1/4" Diameter of Drive tires to receive points
• Any functional recovery tools you wish to use during your run, you must carry it on your rig at all times. IE tow strap, pull pal and, sand ladders.
• Winching can only be performed off of natural objects (i.e. trees, rocks, ect...), other vehicles or stakes supplied by the course maker. Winching off of a person such as there shoe or hand is not allowed.
• All vehicles without an enclosed cab must have the motor, transmission, and electronics covered and hidden when viewed from the top and sides. Batteries must be chassis mounted and also hidden from view.
• Course will be tough and made to push the scale vehicle limits. This is to encourage competitors to improve there rigs from one event to another.
• Winches are HIGHLY recommended!!!!! Expect to use a winch.
• Water proofing is HIGHLY recommended!!!!! Expect your rig to get wet.




Tire Ban List
• Losi Claws (all sizes, and types)
• Hot Bodies Rovers (all sizes)
• Hot Bodies Sedonas
• HPI Rock Grabbers
• Panther Cougars
• Panther Leopards
• Pro-Line Chisels (all sizes)
• RC4WD Rocklin
• RC4WD X-Locks (all sizes)
• RC4WD Crazy Crawlers
• Imex Skulls and Bones
• Losi Bashers

Tires should be scale appearing, if it is questionable have it reviewed before the event, or plan to run a different tire. As new competition specific tires are released this list may be updated.





Class-3 “Modified” Details
• 146mm / 5.75" max tire size with a 2.2 max rims size including spare
• A bumper is not required, but to be counted for points, must be mounted to vehicles chassis and wider the the chassis (chassis cross rails do not count as bumpers)
• Gates will be a minimum of 13" wide
• All bodies (Including tubers) must measure a minimum of five inches wide from front to rear of door, measure a minimum of 4.5 inches tall as measured from the skid to the tallest point on the body and must be as long as the vehicles wheelbase
• Body modifications including, but not limited to, pinched front, dove-tailing and boat-siding are permitted as long as the final dimensions comply with the minimum size rules.


Scale Points
Scale points are to be awarded on a per course basis at 50% of a vehicles total value (rounded down if necessary).
Minimum/Maximum values are to be determined by the event organizers.

Bed :
• Tube bed OR Flat Bed: metal -3, plastic -1
• Bed mounted headache rack or roll bar: metal -2 Plastic -1

Truggy & back halved truck
•Truggy/back halved truck: metal -4, plastic -2
(Must replace the ladder frame from the rear of the skid Min. to the back of the rear axles pumpkin or beyond to be legal.. Must have a roll bar hoop. Must have integrated shock mounts. Must be a structural part of the rear of the vehicle. (If your bed does not meet ALL of the preceding criteria, it does not count as a truggy bed)).

Tuber: metal -8, plastic -4
A tuber consists of a complete body structure where the front, cab, and rear sections are comprised entirely of structural tubework.
• Rigid Metal/plastic body panels -1

Interior cage or exo-cage: (-3 metal -1 Plastic) per row of seats protected. (Must have down bars and cross bars in front & behind each row.)

Tube accessories
• Sliders: (both sides) metal -3, plastic -1
• Tube fenders: Metal -1 per pair
• Integrated tube shock mounts: metal -1 (per pair)

Body
• Hard body: full -8, Cab -4
• Drop bed : -3
• Complete Custom built body: (metal or hard plastic, no lexan) full -4, Cab -2 (in addition to hard body points)
• Inner fender wells: -1 per pair

Bumpers (items must be chassis mounted and separate from the body)
• Bumpers : metal -3 each , plastic -1 each
• Stinger/grill guard: -1
• Spare tire carrier (must be bumper mounted): -1

Exterior roof rack / light bar (may only choose one)
• roof rack: metal: -2, plastic -1
• Roof top light bar : metal -1

Interior:
• 3D interior: 2 seat -3, 4 seat -4, SUV cargo area -1.
• 2D/half interior: 2 seat -1, 4 seat -2.
• Realistic Scale Human figures: full(knees up) -2, part -1(torso up) (max 2 figures)

Suspension/Drive train/Steering:
• Leaf springs (front/rear): -3 ea, -7 both.
• Multiple axles: 3 driven axles -3, 4 (or more) driven axles -5
• Chassis mounted steering servo: -5 (front) rear -2 (Class 3 only)
• Transfer case: -4.
• 3D engine: -4.

Realistic exterior items (max -6 pts): Items that are non functional but you would see on a trail truck
• Fuel cell, exhaust, jerry can, hubs on all wheels, steering stabilizer, disc/drum brakes on all wheels, mirrors(2), wipers(2), antenna, license plate, Fire extinguisher, trail tools (Hi-lift jack, etc.)first aid, Etc. -1 each

Functional items (max -8 pts):
• Tow strap, -D-ring, Pull Pal, sand ladder, hitch, Etc. -1 each
• Headlights(2) and taillights(2) -2
• Winch -2 Each
• Full size spare tire. -3

A minimum of 20 scale points are required and no more then 40 scale points will be given for any vehicle.

[TURTLE]

Here are the layouts for course design and the rules specific to this series.

Vehicle requirements for Top Truck Challenge event
- Top Truck rigs will be required to have a minimum of 20 scale points and no more then 40 will be given. Each scale point will be equal to .5 seconds off of the total time of the day.

Vehicle suggestions for Top Truck Challenge event
-Your vehicle will get wet and muddy, therefore it is highly suggested to be waterproof.
-It is suggested that the vehicle has a working winch, no buddy assistance will be allowed.
- This event will test the limits of the vehicles, therefore it is suggested to make the strongest vehicle possible.
- Mud is sticky, therefore it is suggested that wheel speed and torque be of high concern when preparing your vehicle.
-Be prepared to get wet, have fun, laugh and break some parts!

General scoring and course progress for Frame Twister, Rock Crawl and Tank Trap:
- Gates and boundaries if hit will be a 30 second penalty.
- If a course can not be completed the driver must call out to stop time, all gates left will be added to the time the vehicle was on course, 1 gate left is equal to a 1 minute time penalty.
-winching, rear steer, dig and reverses are all allowed and are not penalized.
-winching must be off a fixed object or a rig, no assistance is allowed during the winching progress, nor is anyone allowed to be touching the line or hook when winching.

EX: If 3 gates are left = 180 seconds (3 minutes) + the driver stopped time at 120 seconds (2 minutes) they would have a total time of 300 seconds for that course.

- If the course was completed, then no penalty will be issued for non completed gates and the final score will be the time on course (unless a gate or boundary was hit).

Out of bounds markers and Gates:
-Out of bounds markers (such as gates and rope line) will be used to show a course outline, in the event that one of these is hit a 30 second penalty will be given, this applies to the Frame Twister, Tank Trap and Rock Crawl only. If a rope line is tangled on a vehicle time can be stopped to untangle the line, the judge will therefore allow the vehicle to be picked up to untangle. The vehicle will then be replaced in a similar location on course by the judge. In the case of a gate a vehicle will have to be driven out of the obstacle and back to the course, time will not stop for any other reason then a tangled line. A gate may be straddled for progress of the course, but a 30 second penalty will be assessed.

General scoring and progress for Hill Climb, Mud Pit and Tractor Pull:
-When marking progress on course, 1 inch is equal to 2 seconds.
-When scored on the mud pit, hill climb and tractor pull distance will be measured from the end of the prescribed area and from the back of the farthest back tire from the end of the course.
- If a boundary marker is hit on the Mud Pit, Hill climb or Tractor Pull The vehicle will be stopped as will time.
-The time on course will added to the distance not traveled (measured by inches), the distance will be measured from the farthest back tire on the course to the finish line.
- If the course is completed time on course will be your score.
-winching is not allowed.
- Reversing is not allowed

EX: If the driver stops time after 5 seconds and there was 72 (144 seconds) inches left of the course their total would be 149 seconds for that course.

Series standings:
Series standings will be tracked using the same method as the winter series.
1st place will receive 250 points 2nd will receive 245 points 3rd place will receive 240 points etc. No low score on course will be tracked.

[TURTLE]

Ok now the idea behind this. To have fun!
To utilize natural locations across Colorado that have pretty simple requirments like water and rocks. We don't plan to have every type of event such as the pull, mud pit, etc. at every event. But I will guarantee that every event will have water and hopefully lots of it.

The first event to start things off will be February 20th at Finishline RC.
Time and courses run TBA.

The rest of the events will be running through the spring. One a month and all in different locations.

Dates and Locations

February 20th -Finishline RC
March 27th –TBA
April 17th -TBA
May 15th -TBA
June 19th -TBA
July 24th -TBA
August 14th -TBA

[Almighty Malach]

Originally Posted by TURTLE

Ok now the idea behind this. To have fun!

I thought fun was against the rules?

Guess I better get working on a rig for this

[TURTLE]

Some photos from the last two Top Truck events held in Colorado:





















If there are any questions please ask. I know some of it may seem a little confusing, but in the end it was done this way to make it simpler and more fun... I hope.

Also If there is something we missed or didn't explain please let us know.

The other two behind this are 666 and RPMJ.

[TURTLE]

Originally Posted by Almighty Malach

I thought fun was against the rules?

Guess I better get working on a rig for this

Thats why we had to modify the rules.

[Fordx4Ranger]

guess i better start buuilding

[RPMJ]

Great Job on the rules Ty I know you put alot of time into this.

[TheSkunkBuster]

so is this gonna be a completly diffrent series

[TURTLE]

Originally Posted by TheSkunkBuster

so is this gonna be a completly diffrent series

Different series then what?

This is a series focused on Top Truck vehicles and courses, purely done to have fun and break the toys.
This is an independent series, not as focused on scale rules persay.

[TheSkunkBuster]

sorry Turtle wondering if its its own series diffrent from the upcoming scale series i can only hope. Bout time we get some scale stuff going. After the last TTCive been itching for some more fun the rules look good also great job

[RPMJ]

More photos of what the TTC will be like.....

[DeaDShorT]

Crap...I was hoping to hold off on a TTC/Class 3 rig until I got what is in front of me done

To dig, rear steer or both??? Interesting

I'll be looking forward to this, even without anything together and running

[TURTLE]

Originally Posted by TheSkunkBuster

sorry Turtle wondering if its its own series diffrent from the upcoming scale series i can only hope. Bout time we get some scale stuff going. After the last TTCive been itching for some more fun the rules look good also great job

No worries buddy, I was just a little confused, thought maybe there was another TTC coming up.

I have been itching for some Top Truck mud and water myself, Its all I want to do lately.

Originally Posted by DeaDShorT

Crap...I was hoping to hold off on a TTC/Class 3 rig until I got what is in front of me done

To dig, rear steer or both??? Interesting

I'll be looking forward to this, even without anything together and running

It should be a blast Stan, even if people don't have anything to drive it will be fun just to watch.

[TheSkunkBuster]

Im Super Pumped Turtle!!!! Finally something besides comp crawling scalers are the funnest thing you can do in my opinion!!!!! This is shapping up to be a great scaling season Probably will be the best yet!!!!!

[bastard]

Originally Posted by TURTLE

Here are the layouts for for course design and the rules specific to this series.

Vehicle requirements for Top Truck Challenge event
-Vehicle must have a roll cage consisting of a minimum of an A pillar and B pillar with connecting supports.
- Top Truck rigs will be required to have a minimum of 20 scale points and no more then 40 will be given.

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WTF that sounds retarded. So my rig with a tube bed two spairs a hard body will not be able to compete because it doesn't have a roll bar with an a and b pillar. what good is roll bar with a and b pillar when it is a hard body with full glass why is that needed to run?

[TURTLE]

Originally Posted by bastard

WTF that sounds retarded. So my rig with a tube bed two spairs a hard body will not be able to compete because it doesn't have a roll bar with an a and b pillar. what good is roll bar with a and b pillar when it is a hard body with full glass why is that needed to run?

Nice Aaron, it's still a new idea and there are several ideas that can use revision or additions. If you instead would like to make a suggestion to change something and why we are all ears.

I can tell you why it was made that way and I think it should be obvious. To keep the class from getting over run with stock Honchos. Its not an issue directly associated with the vehicle, just the fact that the series puts an emphasis(somewhat) on diversity of vehicles and having ten honchos running that all look the same doesn't really achieve that.

If our logic isn't sound, doesn't make sense or needs changing in anyway, please let us know.

Constructive criticism that helps the progression of the series would be appreciated.

Edit:
I thought about it Aaron and for now (at least) I think we can remove that as to generate interest and allow more people to participate off the bat.
I forgot one of the most important rules, to have fun.

I also went ahead and modified the class 3 rules and the TTC rules to have a little more freedom of vehicles for these events and hopefully to be a little more clear.

[bastard]

Wasn't trying to be a dick I know how hard it is to do what you do. Remember I was there in the beginning of it all working on the rules from the start and running the comps. It just is some thing we were talking about at work for the past week until I saw the rules. And low and behold there are at least four scale trucks in my shop that would not be able to run under these rules. (and not one of them are Honchos)


I mean if you look at the pics you posted 10 of the 15 rigs in the pics do not have a cage with an (2 of witch are honchos) a-b pillar protection. Does that make them look any less scale? i think the rules are fine the way you have them except for just that one rule. just didn't make scence to exclude people because they have no role bar.

[TURTLE]

No worries Aaron, I do agree with you after seeing a different perspective on the rule. It really didn't make all that much sense.

In our defense as well as the Honcho thing, we were also under the assumption that under a real Top Truck event or rock crawling event it was a requirement to have a roll cage, we thought that would help with the spirit of the event.

But I removed the rule so no worries Aaron. I hope you can make it to one of these events they really are a blast.

[TwistedXT]

Parts are on order to finish my rendition of the dorkstar hybrid! I need to get building! Can't wait to bring the pain!